Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[bots]

A gym in Lancashire that has been fined three times for staying open despite Covid-19 rules has been closed, officials say.

Steve Todd, owner of Reps Gym in Preston, has been visited by police several times after breaching the government ban on gyms operating during lockdown.

Earlier this week, he said the premises "massively helps" users' mental health and that he was not charging customers.

However Preston City Council said his actions were "unsafe" and the authority's environmental health officers, accompanied by Lancashire Police, shut the premises overnight.

It followed a three-month closure order by a magistrates court, which was granted on Friday. The court also ordered the gym to pay more than £9,000 in costs.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210206/germany-in-talks-with-vaccine-makers-about-funding-more-capacity

Germany in talks with BioNTech and other vaccine makers about funding more secure capacity and raw materials, their health minister Jens Spahn has said

[arista]

Scotland Care Home Infection.
Has sadly let 10 Dead.


Re:Ch4HDnews headlines.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: no vaccinations and tests being done due to heavy snowstorm, all those test & vaccination centres closed

[Ammi]

Study shows Oxford/AstraZeneca jab less effective against South African mutation...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/study-shows-oxford-astrazeneca-jab-065930234.html

[Nicky91]

Study shows Oxford/AstraZeneca jab less effective against South African mutation...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/study-shows-oxford-astrazeneca-jab-065930234.html

see, France, Germany, Sweden are correct then to not use for 65+

[Zizu]

Study shows Oxford/AstraZeneca jab less effective against South African mutation...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/study-shows-oxford-astrazeneca-jab-065930234.html



So it offers good protection against severe illness or death but you may still get a mild infection ??

I’d be more than happy with that idea

[Ammi]

...yeah, sorry I realise how misleading that headline is, Zizu...I was so absorbed in reading the actual article when I posted it that I hadn’t noticed...

[Cherie]

So it offers good protection against severe illness or death but you may still get a mild infection ??

I’d be more than happy with that idea

Such a misleading headline, you have to drill down into every article now to get to the actual story

[AnnieK]

see, France, Germany, Sweden are correct then to not use for 65+

Some protection, even lesser protection is better than no protection (which is what a lot of French, German and Swedish citizens currently have)
:pipe:

[Nicky91]

Some protection, even lesser protection is better than no protection (which is what a lot of French, German and Swedish citizens currently have)
:pipe:

are u serious?


we got more vaccines than just AZ


Germany, France prefer Pfizer, Moderna over AZ since we know it is more effective + it being very easy to adjust for the newer strains either

[Ammi]

...it is what it is, Nicky...if you read through the article, you’ll see that any specific testing for that variant was done on younger, healthy people...so it would have no bearing to any over 65 people because those aren’t the ones being tested...?...that’s the point, really ...or one of the things to look at...’it hasn’t been proven on over 65yrs etc...’...?...to me would mainly indicate that testing in general isn’t being done on anyone who could be considered vulnerable in any way...I mean, if we tested older people for instance and then they were harmed in the testing...?...so testing by its nature would require what would be thought of and considered a healthy demographic...?...

...so anyway, so far as the vulnerable are concerned, the vaccines are as certain as is possible with their developers in the science world...but as the vulnerable aren’t great to choose to test on, there will never be absolute certainties...which there would never be anyway...atm there is great vulnerability without the vaccine and that can’t be sustained indefinitely...

[Ammi]

...so anyway, what I’m trying to say is that the stance of ‘it’s not been proven so much on older people in testing’...is one I don’t understand, personally...because those older people are surely not wise to use for testing purposes, anyway...so why delay etc while allowing the virus’ mutation more and more...?...

[AnnieK]

are u serious?


we got more vaccines than just AZ


Germany, France prefer Pfizer, Moderna over AZ since we know it is more effective + it being very easy to adjust for the newer strains either

Great that you have more vaccines.

I just hope the EU speed up their roll-out and get the people protected and stop worrying about AZ if they think its so useless.

[Nicky91]

Great that you have more vaccines.

I just hope the EU speed up their roll-out and get the people protected and stop worrying about AZ if they think its so useless.

we cannot vaccinate now, due to the horrendous snowstorm

[Ammi]

...yeah the snow atm is pretty severe, Nicky...

[Nicky91]

on a more positive side of the snow, people are likely to remain at home :laugh:

so maybe the snow has a positive effect on amount of new cases

[Zizu]

On SKY now but sadly I have zero confidence in anything Nadhim Zahawi the Vaccines Minister actually says ..


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[Vicky.]

So it offers good protection against severe illness or death but you may still get a mild infection ??

I’d be more than happy with that idea

...quite

Its really pissing me off the way the media spins everything as a doomsday scenario. Have been specifically trying to find positive in stuff, and because I am not all 'the end is nigh' I apparently think covid doesnt exist according to a friend. Cannot find the logic in that at all.. :umm2:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

3.963 new cases

150 new hospitalisations (1.980 in total)

19 new ICU patients (535 in total)

48 new deaths

[Nicky91]

what are the numbers for UK today?

[Zizu]

what are the numbers for UK today?



I only bother with Tues/Weds/Thurs/ Friday ..


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[Zizu]

Presumably the numbers of people getting their first and vital first jab will soon slow down considerably given we will soon have to start giving out millions of second jabs ?


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[Zizu]

I keep hearing radio adverts asking blokes to give Plasma but it’s not something I’ve heard mention in the daily briefings or in this thread !?!

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[arista]

what are the numbers for UK today?


I am doing them now

[arista]

Sunday 7/2/21

Today 373 Died

15,845 caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
29,326

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,505


112,465 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

no vaccinations with AZ in South Africa, since it offers little or no protection against their covid strain

they had recently received 500.000 doses of AZ and now it won't be used then

[arista]

The UK amount of South African Variant
is now 147, according to the Government Health Minister
Edward Argar MP
on GMBHD itv

[arista]

no vaccinations with AZ in South Africa, since it offers little or no protection against their covid strain

they had recently received 500.000 doses of AZ and now it won't be used then


Thats just not true.
It does offer some protection


They are working on an Updated version of AstraZeneca
of course its a set back.

[Nicky91]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/7/south-africa-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine-rollout

[arista]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/7/south-africa-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine-rollout


Yes
they are changing to J&J USA vaccine
in South Africa

Scared off
of using the Astra one.

[arista]

[The University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg,
which conducted the trial of the
Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine,
said in a statement on Sunday that the
vaccine “provides minimal protection against
mild-moderate COVID-19 infection” from the variant,
which is dominant in South Africa.]


From Nicky's Link.

[arista]

Prisoner Gary Glitter has had his vaccine
as he is aged 76.

Ch5HD AM Live

[Cherie]

[The University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg,
which conducted the trial of the
Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine,
said in a statement on Sunday that the
vaccine “provides minimal protection against
mild-moderate COVID-19 infection” from the variant,
which is dominant in South Africa.]


From Nicky's Link.

Can't you get mild/moderate from any vaccine, there is no 100% guarantee

I feel there are other issues at play here particularly as AZ is being rolled out at cost, not enough profit for some of the other Pharmas?

[arista]

Can't you get mild/moderate from any vaccine, there is no 100% guarantee

I feel there are other issues at play here particularly as AZ is being rolled out at cost, not enough profit for some of the other Pharmas?



Yes that South Africa Study was small,
And The USA Vaccines do make more money.

[Nicky91]

Prisoner Gary Glitter has had his vaccine
as he is aged 67.

Ch5HD AM Live

waste of a vaccine dose to a disgusting paedo

:skull:

[arista]

waste of a vaccine dose to a disgusting paedo

:skull:


The debate is about the Prison Officers
who have not had the vaccine.


He is in a Dorset Prison.

[Zizu]

no vaccinations with AZ in South Africa, since it offers little or no protection against their covid strain

they had recently received 500.000 doses of AZ and now it won't be used then



That’s just ridiculous if what we are being told is true ..

Those vaccines will apparently , at worst, protect against serious Covid plus death and I would happily settle for that !!


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[joeysteele]

Can't you get mild/moderate from any vaccine, there is no 100% guarantee

I feel there are other issues at play here particularly as AZ is being rolled out at cost, not enough profit for some of the other Pharmas?

You've likely a fair point there Cherie.
Re profit margins.

To have a vaccine that is going to help prevent serious illness and likely death, is worth having in my view.

[Nicky91]

Can't you get mild/moderate from any vaccine, there is no 100% guarantee

I feel there are other issues at play here particularly as AZ is being rolled out at cost, not enough profit for some of the other Pharmas?

No

Pfizer, Moderna have well over 90 or more % effectiveness, way more than AZ

[Vanessa]

Can't wait to get the vaccine tomorrow.
I think it's good, because it will stop us from getting seriously ill. In case we get the virus.

[Mystic Mock]

Prisoner Gary Glitter has had his vaccine
as he is aged 67.

Ch5HD AM Live

That's sad news.

[Nicky91]

Pfizer, Moderna first dose prevents you from landing on ICU, from even getting on a regular hospital bed either

AZ we don't know much about, other than the effectiveness percentage being far lower than other vaccines, and that is not very hopeful towards us to give that (with uncertainty) to the 65+ age group where we of course want more certainty of

+ AZ not good against SA mutation

[joeysteele]

The debate is about the Prison Officers
who have not had the vaccine.


He is in a Dorset Prison.

Of course he'd have to have it, as irritating as it may be to say so.

All the people in that prison, from the hierarchy to guards and all other individuals have to be protected too.
So all in prisons must have it too.

It's not a virus that will think, oh let's just infect the inmates.

[Zizu]

No



Pfizer, Moderna have well over 90 or more % effectiveness, way more than AZ



“ no” what ??


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[Cherie]

No

Pfizer, Moderna have well over 90 or more % effectiveness, way more than AZ

on the new strains????? how much study have they done, we only found out about SA about a month ago lol! arent they moving to J&J which is 66%?

I find the decision very strange consider AZ is the only vaccine so far which has data on a reduction in virus transmission

[Nicky91]

on the new strains????? how much study have they done, we only found out about SA about a month ago lol! arent they moving to J&J which is 66%?

I find the decision very strange consider AZ is the only vaccine so far which has data on a reduction in virus transmission

on the new strains, they have found out Pfizer and Moderna can be quickly adjusted to also be effective against those

[arista]

of course he'd have to have it, as irritating as it may be to say so.

All the people in that prison, from the hierarchy to guards and all other individuals have to be protected too.
So all in prisons must have it too.

It's not a virus that will think, oh let's just infect the inmates.


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[smudgie]

Prisoner Gary Glitter has had his vaccine
as he is aged 67.

Ch5HD AM Live

*cough* 76

[AnnieK]

on the new strains, they have found out Pfizer and Moderna can be quickly adjusted to also be effective against those

So in their current state they are less effective then...the same as AZ?

Have they started work on adjusting the vaccines do you know?

I know they Jansen one isn't as effective in its current state either

[Cherie]

So in their current state they are less effective then...the same as AZ?

Have they started work on adjusting the vaccines do you know?

I know they Jansen one isn't as effective in its current state either

its all a bit suss isn't it? is AZ the only one being rolled out at cost? and the different in price between it and Pfizer is astronomical, who is getting a massive backhander for these decisions I wonder :whistle:

[Vanessa]

Pfizer, Moderna first dose prevents you from landing on ICU, from even getting on a regular hospital bed either

AZ we don't know much about, other than the effectiveness percentage being far lower than other vaccines, and that is not very hopeful towards us to give that (with uncertainty) to the 65+ age group where we of course want more certainty of

+ AZ not good against SA mutation

Thats why I think the Oxford vaccine is better for people younger than 60.
Older people should get the Pfizer or Moderna, ideally.

[Nicky91]

So in their current state they are less effective then...the same as AZ?

Have they started work on adjusting the vaccines do you know?

I know they Jansen one isn't as effective in its current state either

in current state they are more effective than AZ for the original strain still

well i know that because it was reported end of last year, a test they did

also i believe scientists over politicians as well, but our scientists just tell us other facts than yours

[Vicky.]

its all a bit suss isn't it? is AZ the only one being rolled out at cost? and the different in price between it and Pfizer is astronomical, who is getting a massive backhander for these decisions I wonder :whistle:

Well, I have always been suspicious of this pfizer one tbh, not that its got dodgy stuff in or anything, but that it happened to be the first approved. Then the oxford one seemed to be better, yet the pfizer one was still pushed. Figured certain people might have vested interests. BUT, would they really drag this out even longer because of a bit of cash?

Mind, they ****ed our original 'lockdown way out' for cash I guess..by giving cash to mates instead of getting working test and trace, so...who knows.

[Vicky.]

Not saying the scientists are dodgy there btw. But the government have a very hit and miss way of 'listening to the science', or it seems that way. They ignore the science when it suits, and the scienntists themselves seem...almost gagged except for whispering in boris' ear.

[Cherie]

Van Tam will tell us all later

[arista]

5PM Live 10 Downing St.
Health Secretary and Prof. Van Tam
and Dr Nikki Kanani.


SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
LBC

[arista]

Van Tam will tell us all later


Yes he has better data than
the small South African study.

[arista]

Not saying the scientists are dodgy there btw. But the government have a very hit and miss way of 'listening to the science', or it seems that way. They ignore the science when it suits, and the scienntists themselves seem...almost gagged except for whispering in boris' ear.


Reports are saying in September
an Updated OxfordAstraZeneca
Vaccine should be ready.

[Vicky.]

Reports are saying in September
an Updated OxfordAstraZeneca
Vaccine should be ready.

Ahh are the companies basicaly joining forces? (I thought oxford, and astrazeneca were different vaccines..)

If so, that is a great thing surely, can take all the good bits from each and make a...super vaccine.

Unless thats science fiction also. Not a sciencey person, if thats not obvious :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Mind I do wonder, what the worlds respnse would have looked like if it was JUST the scientists, making the decisions. I have a feeling it would have been very very different. Our government especially, have ignored the science in..the worst places it seems. Though its hard to put myself in the position they are in, where they have to balance science/lives v economy.

[Cherie]

Ahh are the companies basicaly joining forces? (I thought oxford, and astrazeneca were different vaccines..)

If so, that is a great thing surely, can take all the good bits from each and make a...super vaccine.

Unless thats science fiction also. Not a sciencey person, if thats not obvious :laugh:

No AZ were always with Oxford

they are trialling with the Russian Sputnik as they have used the same methods

[arista]

Ahh are the companies basicaly joining forces? (I thought oxford, and astrazeneca were different vaccines..)

If so, that is a great thing surely, can take all the good bits from each and make a...super vaccine.

Unless thats science fiction also. Not a sciencey person, if thats not obvious :laugh:


No OxfordAstraZeneca is its full name.


It is a Spike adjustment
they need to destroy/sustain the South African Variant

[arista]

No AZ were always with Oxford

they are trialling with the Russian Sputnik as they have used the same methods



Yes another Project

For a OxfordAstraZeneca/RussianSputnikV Combo.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

2.273 new cases

120 new hospitalisations (2.034 in total)

26 new ICU patients (542 in total)

25 new deaths

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: 21:00 curfew extended for another 3 weeks until 2nd of March

[Vicky.]

Ah right. I assumed oxford and astrazenica were different vaccines :facepalm:

[Vicky.]

Am half wanting the sputnik one to be the most effective though, to see what the 'eww russians' people say about it :D

[Cherie]

Am half wanting the sputnik one to be the most effective though, to see what the 'eww russians' people say about it :D

It literally is the most effective one :laugh:

[Vicky.]

It literally is the most effective one :laugh:

Ahaha. I remember much fuss being made over Putin apparently giving 'untested vaccines' to his daughters or something? Need to start watching the mainstream news again I think really, but it depressed the **** out of me as they seem to NEVER have any good news. And good news, is turned into more doom and gloom by the way its spun. I see bits every now and again..and it seems the same. Except there are periods of 'we are amazing, we are doing much better than everyone else with the rollout!' inbetween...swiftly followed by 'but our vaccines might not work on half the mutations'...

[bots]

all the vaccines still appear to stop the need for hospitalisation from any of the current strains, and thats the main thing

[arista]

Monday 8/2/21

Today 333 have died

14,104 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
29,326

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,505

112,798 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

5PM Live
10 Downing St.
Health Secretary and Prof. Van Tam
and Dr Nikki Kanani.


SkyNewsHD
BBC1HD
Radio 5
LBC

[Zizu]

all the vaccines still appear to stop the need for hospitalisation from any of the current strains, and thats the main thing



Exactly


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[Zizu]

Monday 8/2/21

Today 333 have died

14,104 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
29,326

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,505

112,798 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Sat /Sunday/ Monday’s figures are always low ....


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[arista]

Live Now

Van Tam to answer more questions

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210208/german-government-dampens-hopes-of-relaxing-lockdown-ahead-of-crunch-wednesday-talks-february

Germany: government dampens hopes of relaxing lockdown ahead of crunch wednesday talks

Health Minister Jens Spahn said the federal government would resist any attempts by state leaders to start loosening the measures “until we are clearly under an incidence of 50 (new infections per 100,000 residents in seven days)".

Speaking on the talk show Anne Will, Spahn said that he could give no-long term perspective for a loosening of the rules. “I know that everyone wants a six-month plan but that’s impossible in this pandemic.”

Economy Minister Peter Altmaier backed up this position, saying that “it would not be responsible to take concrete steps at this stage - the numbers are still too high.”

As infection rates continue to fall nationwide, three state leaders presented plans over the weekend for a step-by-step re-opening of the country.

The Robert Koch Institute reported a seven day incidence of 76 per 100,000 people for Monday, down from a peak of 198 just before Christmas.

The plans, which were sent out to other state leaders by the minster presidents of Thuringia, Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony, lay out criteria for opening up schools and small businesses like hairdressers.

While each plan was slightly different, they appealed for a nationwide strategy that would consider not only the infection rate, but also intensive care occupancy, the vaccine quota and the rate at which the virus is spreading

Some state leaders are strictly opposed to relaxing the measures at a time when there is still uncertainty about the prevalence of mutated strains of the virus.

“It is annoying to have to take everything so slowly, but that is the only thing that really helps. Our challenger - the virus - doesn’t stick to any of the deadlines we set,” said Bavarian leader Markus Söder on Sunday.

Schools will be big topic

One of the major themes at the Wednesday meeting of state leaders with Chancellor Angela Merkel will be the reopening of schools.

At the last meeting in January, several states angrily resisted Merkel’s plan to keep schools closed but in the end had to concede defeat.

On Monday the federal Education Minister, Anja Karliczek, will publish a hygiene concept which her ministry says will allow schools to stay open even during the pandemic.

"We need an ambitious plan so that we can help the children and young people," Karliczek said. "After all, it's not just about imparting knowledge, but very much about developing their personalities and enabling social interaction."

According to press reports, the plan will mean that children will go to school in shifts, thus lowering crowding on buses. They will also have to wear masks at all times.

[Zizu]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210208/german-government-dampens-hopes-of-relaxing-lockdown-ahead-of-crunch-wednesday-talks-february

Germany: government dampens hopes of relaxing lockdown ahead of crunch wednesday talks

Health Minister Jens Spahn said the federal government would resist any attempts by state leaders to start loosening the measures “until we are clearly under an incidence of 50 (new infections per 100,000 residents in seven days)".

Speaking on the talk show Anne Will, Spahn said that he could give no-long term perspective for a loosening of the rules. “I know that everyone wants a six-month plan but that’s impossible in this pandemic.”

Economy Minister Peter Altmaier backed up this position, saying that “it would not be responsible to take concrete steps at this stage - the numbers are still too high.”

As infection rates continue to fall nationwide, three state leaders presented plans over the weekend for a step-by-step re-opening of the country.

The Robert Koch Institute reported a seven day incidence of 76 per 100,000 people for Monday, down from a peak of 198 just before Christmas.

The plans, which were sent out to other state leaders by the minster presidents of Thuringia, Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony, lay out criteria for opening up schools and small businesses like hairdressers.

While each plan was slightly different, they appealed for a nationwide strategy that would consider not only the infection rate, but also intensive care occupancy, the vaccine quota and the rate at which the virus is spreading

Some state leaders are strictly opposed to relaxing the measures at a time when there is still uncertainty about the prevalence of mutated strains of the virus.

“It is annoying to have to take everything so slowly, but that is the only thing that really helps. Our challenger - the virus - doesn’t stick to any of the deadlines we set,” said Bavarian leader Markus Söder on Sunday.

Schools will be big topic

One of the major themes at the Wednesday meeting of state leaders with Chancellor Angela Merkel will be the reopening of schools.

At the last meeting in January, several states angrily resisted Merkel’s plan to keep schools closed but in the end had to concede defeat.

On Monday the federal Education Minister, Anja Karliczek, will publish a hygiene concept which her ministry says will allow schools to stay open even during the pandemic.

"We need an ambitious plan so that we can help the children and young people," Karliczek said. "After all, it's not just about imparting knowledge, but very much about developing their personalities and enabling social interaction."

According to press reports, the plan will mean that children will go to school in shifts, thus lowering crowding on buses. They will also have to wear masks at all times.



Have you considered starting your own thread for all things Holland !?

Whilst interested quite often I’m halfway through one of your very detailed posts ( not this one ) only to realise that none of it applies to us in the uk ...

Just a thought ..


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[Cherie]

Van Tam put all that every clearly I thought

[Nicky91]

Have you considered starting your own thread for all things Holland !?

Whilst interested quite often I’m halfway through one of your very detailed posts ( not this one ) only to realise that none of it applies to us in the uk ...

Just a thought ..


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this is not from Holland though, and no

umm while none of it applies to uk, it is nice to see other countries their approach to the covid-19 crisis, a crisis which affects us all

[Cherie]

this is not from Holland though, and no

umm while none of it applies to uk, it is nice to see other countries their approach to the covid-19 crisis, a crisis which affects us all

I agree Nicky

[Cherie]

No new SA cases detected in the last 2 days

[Vicky.]

all the vaccines still appear to stop the need for hospitalisation from any of the current strains, and thats the main thing

Oh for sure. They all have some degree of effectiveness, and some degree is better than none. So if people can get booked for ANY they are both helping themselves, and the NHS really.

[Cherie]

Oh for sure. They all have some degree of effectiveness, and some degree is better than none. So if people can get booked for ANY they are both helping themselves, and the NHS really.

Anyone over 70 who hasn’t been called can book themselves in online or call 119 now

[Vanessa]

Things are finally improving. It was about time!

[arista]

[COVID-19: Over-70s not yet vaccinated urged
to book appointment with NHS
The age group is particularly important
to reach given 83% of all people who
have died with coronavirus are over 70.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-over-70s-not-yet-vaccinated-urged-to-book-appointment-with-nhs-12212633

[Vicky.]

No new SA cases detected in the last 2 days

Is the SA one of the 'superspreader' ones?

I remember being a bit puzzled, when the kent (? I think, where it was thought it was more spreadable but not as 'bad') one was taking over...think it was like 50% of positive cases were the UK variant...and it was panic stations. Where to me, a version that spreads easier, but is less likely to cause severe infection is LESS of an issue? And it would have been better for the 'UK variant' to totally take over?

That was early on in the 'UK' thing though. When it was basically assumed that the mutations would act like usual virus mutations do, and become more spreadable, but less deadly. From memory, a few months later Boris claimed that the 'UK variant' was actually 20% more deadly or something. But tbh, I am sure thats to cover up his own failings over xmas, as I have been 'assured'(in a much as 'my training/education says this, no 100% positivity!) by a friend who works in virology that 'generally speaking', viruses do not want to kill their hosts, its counterproductive. So mutations make it spread more, but lessen the deadly effects.

Long story short (sorry, in paragraph mode again) it seemed weird to think it was a BAD thing, for more to catch it bu less people have it badly? I guess it would look bad for our 'statistics'...but overall, seemed a positive. This was though, I stress, when they were saying it was likely less dangerous. Not after they added on,more spreadable and more deadly!!! Which appears to be a bit of an anomaly, virus wise

[Vicky.]

Anyone over 70 who hasn’t been called can book themselves in online or call 119 now

Wow, we are moving quickly eh..

I think it might be best to...do the second lot on thse who are high risk first though really. Before doing less risky people, if that makes sense? Especially in the under 50s, healthy people. Its not likely it will be too much of an issue to them, get high risk people sorted first? I mean, I know you Can get it badly if unlucky, but its a bit of an anomaly overall it seems. Once 'the vulnerable' are done, then yeah, give it out like smarties.



Edit. Read that wrong. Read it as anyone under 70...point still stands though, if they are on about moving onto other groups before finishing high risk..

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=klHdh_1612773722


tampa fans last night

:skull:

[bots]

Wow, we are moving quickly eh..

I think it might be best to...do the second lot on thse who are high risk first though really. Before doing less risky people, if that makes sense? Especially in the under 50s, healthy people. Its not likely it will be too much of an issue to them, get high risk people sorted first? I mean, I know you Can get it badly if unlucky, but its a bit of an anomaly overall it seems. Once 'the vulnerable' are done, then yeah, give it out like smarties.



Edit. Read that wrong. Read it as anyone under 70...point still stands though, if they are on about moving onto other groups before finishing high risk..

they have now vaccinated > 20% of the population, and the take up rate so far is > 90%. Both great statistics i think

[joeysteele]

this is not from Holland though, and no

umm while none of it applies to uk, it is nice to see other countries their approach to the covid-19 crisis, a crisis which affects us all

I like reading your updates too Nicky.
Keep them coming.


A very true point too, it's a global crisis not just one Country.

[Vicky.]

they have now vaccinated > 20% of the population, and the take up rate so far is > 90%. Both great statistics i think

Yeah sounding good like

Have they released, detailed stats? I am very interested in the much parrotted stat on facebook and the media seemingly, that 15% BAME people are turning it down? I would think if total takeup is 90% then...the people not in the BAME group who are turning it down are around, or less than 5%? Not sure if that works mathswise, it seems to!

Edit. No it doesnt add up...but yeah, wondering if turndown rae is a certain age of BAME people, and if it actually differs from non BAME, or if the media is making a fuss out of nothing again like usual..

[Zizu]

this is not from Holland though, and no



umm while none of it applies to uk, it is nice to see other countries their approach to the covid-19 crisis, a crisis which affects us all



Fair enough.. no offence intended .
Just thought it made more sense to have a thread with just news and updates with regards to the UK and one for the rest of Europe or rest of the World even ..

I come in here and just start ploughing through all the posts and then suddenly realise I’m reading one that is referring to the situation in a completely different country :)


No worries though ..


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[Vicky.]

Fair enough.. no offence intended .
Just thought it made more sense to have a thread with just news and updates with regards to the UK and one for the rest of Europe or rest of the World even ..

I come in here and just start ploughing through all the posts and then suddenly realise I’m reading one that is referring to the situation in a completely different country :)


No worries though ..


I get where you are coming from zizu. I also understand those saying its a global issue so news from other countries is important too. I do think its maybe an idea to have a...UK specific update thread though, given the situation is SO different in other countries?

[Zizu]

Sky News running the story that the WHO are about to endorse the AstraZenica vaccine for ALL adult age groups ..


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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/curfew-extended-to-early-march-3-still-too-early-to-assess-the-impact/

NL: still to early to assess the impact of the curfew, said by justice minister Ferd Grapperhaus

The curfew was introduced two weeks ago and will now expire on the day when several other key parts of the lockdown are due to end.

However, health minister Hugo de Jonge refused to speculate if some of the measures, like non-essential shop closures, will end next month.

There are still many uncertainties, although the number of daily infections now appears to be below 4,000 he said, referring to the arrival of various mutated versions of the virus in the Netherlands.

In addition, the shortage of vaccines may also slow the vaccination process, he said.

A police spokesman said extending the curfew was unlikely to pose a problem in terms of enforcement.

‘We have handed out a lot of fines, but most people are sticking to the curfew and have the proper papers with them,’ a spokesman told broadcaster NOS.

In the past week, the police have fined almost 7,000 people for being outside after 9pm without a valid reason.

The regional safety board association has also backed extending the curfew. ‘It is working well, and it has stopped people visiting each other so much.

And that is what it is all about,’ safety board chairman Hubert Bruls said. Meanwhile, some vaccination centres and drop-in test centres will again be closed on Tuesday because of the wintry weather.

They include the Amsterdam centre at the RAI exhibition complex and several in Rotterdam.

[arista]

[COVID-19: All travellers arriving in UK to face mandatory £100
tests from next week
Health Secretary Matt Hancock will tell MPs all passengers
will have to take two tests,
on days two and eight, after they arrive.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-all-travellers-arriving-in-uk-to-face-mandatory-tests-from-next-week-12212903

So as well has Overpriced Hotel bills
another £200 on top.

[arista]

Suspended Kay Burley (SkyNews)
is in the DM in a short video
helping at a Food Bank,

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1359083142079000576

[arista]

Because of the Kent Variant
in Manchester, many are now going for a Covid Test.

LBC Reports.

[AnnieK]

Because of the Kent Variant
in Manchester, many are now going for a Covid Test.

LBC Reports.

Its only a small part...silly really as most people will travel out of their home postcode area for shopping etc. Should be all of GM really to be sure they catch all the cases

[arista]

Its only a small part...silly really as most people will travel out of their home postcode area for shopping etc. Should be all of GM really to be sure they catch all the cases


Yes they want to keep it that way
it could just be one person spreading it.

[arista]

The Health Secretary
will be Live in Parliament, soon
with the New Measures for all those entering the UK

[arista]

David Blunkett, Former Labour Home Sec.,
says he is flying to Italy in July
for a Holiday.


BBC2HD Politics Live

[joeysteele]

I've got many criticisms and grievances of this government and particularly this, who I still rate as utterly hopeless Prime Minister.

However, as in recent press conferences, plus I feel the new idea to reverse Cameron's NHS unnecessary and costly reforms from 2012, which I think may be down to Matt Hancock .
Also now today in parliament, I have to say I am currently much more impressed with Matt Hancock and his now whole attitude to the covid issue.

[Vanessa]

I've got many criticisms and grievances of this government and particularly this, who I still rate as utterly hopeless Prime Minister.

However, as in recent press conferences, plus I feel the new idea to reverse Cameron's NHS unnecessary and costly returns from 2012, which I think may be down to Matt Hancock .
Also now today in parliament, I have to say I am currently much more impressed with Matt Hancock and his now whole attitude to the covid issue.
Yes, I like Matt Hancock. I think he's doing great job and I always watch his briefings.

[arista]

Travellers who lie about whether they
have been to mutant Covid hotspots face up
to 10 years in prison as Hancock unveils brutal border
curbs with all arrivals needing to take THREE tests - and
thousands of hotel rooms ready for quarantine from Monday


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9239735/Travellers-arriving-UK-face-TWO-Covid-tests-self-isolate-quarantine-proposals.html

[Nicky91]

WHO: origins of coronavirus not exactly clear where it started, they need more research, they first thought it were Bats but now it could also be Mink or Cats

[arista]

[COVID-19: Travellers from 'red list' countries
will have to pay £1,750 for 10-day hotel quarantine
UK and Irish residents returning from 33 "red list"
countries will have to pay £1,750 to quarantine
in hotels for 10 days,
Health Secretary Matt Hancock has told MPs.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-travellers-from-red-list-countries-will-have-to-pay-1-750-for-10-day-hotel-quarantine-12213267


16 Hotel Chains.



[Passengers will have to book online before their travel,
with the £1,750 fee also including the cost of COVID testing
and their escorted travel between an airport and their designated hotel.]



USA not on the Red List.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55992464

[arista]

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[Zizu]

David Blunkett, Former Labour Home Sec.,
says he is flying to Italy in July
for a Holiday.


BBC2HD Politics Live



Another politician I can’t abide ... he has two dyslexic sons and when he was made the Education Secretary of State for Education ( twice ! ) I had such high hopes for him ... sadly he seemed more interested in chasing younger women and did diddly-squat-squared for dyslexics in the 8 years he spent in the post.



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[arista]

Tuesday 9/2/21

Today 1,052 have died

12,364 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
26,723


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,230


113,850 Total UK Deaths,


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Tuesday 9/2/21

Today 1,052 have died

12,364 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
26,723


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,230


113,850 Total UK Deaths,


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

far too many dying but at least infections and hospital admissions are going the right way

[Cherie]

WHO: origins of coronavirus not exactly clear where it started, they need more research, they first thought it were Bats but now it could also be Mink or Cats

China say it started in Europe, I am sure that can be arranged :laugh:

[arista]

China say it started in Europe, I am sure that can be arranged :laugh:


Of Course
they Would.


From Feb the 7th 2020
they shut up that nice Doctor in China who was Warning everyone
he sadly died of Covid-19

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[Vicky.]

This 'definitely not wuhan' **** is...nonsense. I tend to listen to the WHO tnf, but on this...nope. I am almost sure, at this stage, it was a lab mistake. Not 'unleashed on purpose' but through some kind of human error.

Am also getting a barrage of 'SAGE say UK will be in a lockdown cycle for years because of mutations' on..all over?! If thats true, just FFS. The vaccine was the way out. Yet now, years more of this crap. Ugh.

[Zizu]

far too many dying but at least infections and hospital admissions are going the right way



... until we lift the restrictions.. then what ??

We don’t even have a track and trace system from what I can see


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[joeysteele]

... until we lift the restrictions.. then what ??

We don’t even have a track and trace system from what I can see


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You are correct there.

The only reason infections and hospital admissions are falling, is because of the lockdown.

If that's eased too readily as it was last time, then we could see saw again into more chaos.

Yes the vaccines help as to serious illness or possible deaths.
However, the real effect even of vaccines is still at least months off knowing how strong that will be.

[DouglasS]

We’re at the point where we are going to have to live with the virus after the 50+s and vulnerable have been vaccinated... we can’t pause life forever, people have lives to live. The younger generation shouldn’t be stripped of mistakes to be made, spouses to meet, university life and so many things. People often say their best years of their life are at university.. how cruel to expect a generation of people to miss out. It might sound cruel, but once the vaccinations have hit that way I believe by summer we should drop all restrictions...

Covid is staying and people will die... the same as flu and other illnesses, you are naive if you think people should remain locker down forever to prevent deaths, it’ll be like preventing driving... it’s a sad part of life... but people do die...

(I’m not talking about now or last years peak, but I’m talking about post vaccination of the older and vulnerable..)

[DouglasS]

Kd8IhgGYhxs

Katie is right here... first freedom was until Easter.. then a few weeks.. then September.. and then when the vaccines roll out... and now it’s until a top up vaccine for the nee variants... it will go on forever as the virus will keep mutating as does the flu and common cold.. people have this expectation that we can get zero covid, it’s all short term..

the media and government need to acknowledge people will die monthly from this disease and we can’t stop life. What’s the point of living if everyone is locked up forever, there is no end goal...

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[Nicky91]

Germany wants to extend their lockdown until March 14th, Merkel & government is today in meeting with all region leaders regarding this

even if some region leaders are against it, they might still keep the lockdown as it is, which would mean Schools, Pubs/Bars/Restaurants, non-essential shops to remain closed


the new case numbers are decreasing a lot but they need to keep the lockdown for much longer to get all the way close to zero new cases, easing down of measures can't lead to a surge in new cases according to Merkel

[user104658]

We’re at the point where we are going to have to live with the virus after the 50+s and vulnerable have been vaccinated... we can’t pause life forever, people have lives to live. The younger generation shouldn’t be stripped of mistakes to be made, spouses to meet, university life and so many things. People often say their best years of their life are at university.. how cruel to expect a generation of people to miss out. It might sound cruel, but once the vaccinations have hit that way I believe by summer we should drop all restrictions...

Covid is staying and people will die... the same as flu and other illnesses, you are naive if you think people should remain locker down forever to prevent deaths, it’ll be like preventing driving... it’s a sad part of life... but people do die...

(I’m not talking about now or last years peak, but I’m talking about post vaccination of the older and vulnerable..)

We're not at that point yet, if anything we're at a crucial "wait and see" stage, however if we get a large percentage of the population vaccinated and it still isn't as low as they would like... then yes I would say, that is the point where some acceptance has to come in. Right now we're waiting and hoping that vaccination is the answer and using lockdown to hold it off until we can see if that's the case. If it is NOT the case, then we can't continue with lockdowns forever. As in... we literally can't. It's not a sustainable option.

That's not to say we just say "ah whatever" and "do our best", the NHS is still at risk of being overwhelmed, but it is the point where the focus simply has to shift to increasing NHS capacity to the point where it can cope with high case numbers, rather than keeping the service levels static and forcing case levels down to match.

[bots]

I think life has to return to normal, we just can't do another winter like this again anytime soon. When the top 9 groups have had the jab we should be in a much better position, there just shouldnt be the level of extreme hospitalisation in the future

[Zizu]

I think life has to return to normal, we just can't do another winter like this again anytime soon. When the top 9 groups have had the jab we should be in a much better position, there just shouldnt be the level of extreme hospitalisation in the future



I was feeling rather optimistic but all these flaming new strains are very unsettling ..


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[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1359418350229667840

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

3.226 new cases (more than last 2 days but now test centres have fully reopened again)

1.990 total hospitalisations (yesterday total was at 2.010)

533 total on ICU (yesterday total was at 550)

78 new deaths

[Scarlett.]

I'm not sure the world will ever be how it was pre-2020

[arista]

I'm not sure the world will ever be how it was pre-2020



Yes we are Stuck with this China Virus forever.
Any that do not have Vaccine's (and every updated version)
could be the ones that all die.

We should Force everyone to have Vaccines
Take them in a Police Coach
Strap them in a Chair.

Then Drive them all home.
That would save our Nation.

[joeysteele]

I'm not sure the world will ever be how it was pre-2020

Neither am I.

I agree.

[Ammi]

I'm not sure the world will ever be how it was pre-2020

Neither am I.

I agree.

...I was just thinking last night what the impact on world travel in the future because of any extra health/safety things and the added to travel...we don’t know what exactly will have to stay in place but also with Brexit as an added layer as well, it feels as though it’ll regress into overseas travel maybe being more for a higher income bracket...?...and if you have close family living overseas...?...travel is never going to be as simple as it has been in the time we’ve known it....

...so far as the carbon footprint, though...a large decrease in overseas travel long term is a great thing, eh....

[Zizu]

I'm not sure the world will ever be how it was pre-2020



Yes ... I’m trying not to be too negative ( my inbuilt default setting) but now with so many sick people worldwide and millions still trying to recover from it ... I’m wondering if we will now be more susceptible to any number of different Coronaviruses all requiring completely different vaccines ..


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[arista]

Wednesday 10-2-21

Today 1,001 have Died

13,013 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
26,684

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,164

114,851 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Europe's oldest person, French nun Sister Andre, has survived Covid-19 and will celebrate her 117th birthday tomorrow, her caregivers said.

Lucile Randon, who took the name of Sister Andre when she joined a Catholic charitable order in 1944, tested positive for coronavirus in her retirement home in Toulon, southern France, on 16 January.

She was isolated from other residents, but displayed no symptoms.

Asked if she was scared to have the virus, Sr Andre told France's BFM television: "No, I wasn't scared because I wasn't scared to die.

"I'm happy to be with you, but I would wish to be somewhere else - join my big brother and my grandfather and my grandmother."

David Tavella, spokesman for the Sainte Catherine Labouré retirement home, said she was doing well.

"We consider her to be cured. She is very calm and she is looking forward to celebrating her 117th birthday," he said.

Mr Tavella said Sr Andre, who is blind but very spirited, will celebrate her birthday with a smaller group of residents than usual because of coronavirus infection risk.

"She has been very lucky," he added.

Sr Andre, who was born on 11 February 1904, is the world's second-oldest living person according to the Gerontology Research Group's (GRG) World Supercentenarian Rankings List.

The oldest person is Japan's Kane Tanaka, who turned 118 on 2 January.

The world's 20 oldest people in the GRG list are all women.:dance:


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0210/1196156-sister-andre-france

[arista]

The PM and Vallance

Live Just after 5PM

[arista]

Live Now

[Beso]

Scientists announce all the covid particles in the world would fit in a can of coke.

[arista]

17:14
[Should members of the public be
booking summer holidays - either at home or abroad?
The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg asks about
summer holidays.]

[The PM highlights how it is "currently illegal"
to go on holiday.
In the week of 22 February, he will be setting
out more details of how the lockdown might be eased.]

[arista]

Amazing
After the BBC Laura
it was going to ITN

We heard Laura moan
"He did not answer the Question"


17:25
The Mirror Newspaper
said he failed to answer Laura's Question

[Boris Johnson says it's too early to talk about summer holidays.
"I'm afraid it is just too early for people to be certain about what
we'll be able to do this summer.
And we hope to be able to say more
in the week of the 22nd.
As I've said, when more data comes in,
a more crucial data about the rollout of
the vaccine programme and how it's working on".]

[Zizu]

Scientists announce all the covid particles in the world would fit in a can of coke.



Oddly I saw that there you can fit 250,000 particles on the pointy end of a needle .. which is apparently why 99% of masks won’t protect you .. they simply prevent the larger droplets from being dispersed into the air when you sneeze or cough .


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[Beso]

Oddly I saw that there you can fit 250,000 particles on the pointy end of a needle .. which is apparently why 99% of masks won’t protect you .. they simply prevent the larger droplets from being dispersed into the air when you sneeze or cough .


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I dont think ive ever sneezed with my mask on tbh.

[arista]

Very Short
ended at 5:28PM

[Zizu]

I dont think ive ever sneezed with my mask on tbh.



I was just gonna say that ... people do seem to lift their mask to sneeze and cough ..


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[arista]

Conservative MP Charles Walker
is a pain in the ass.

He thinks The Cabinet are wrong about Fines
and Holidays?


So many people have not even had their 2nd vaccine yet.


[Sir Charles Walker, the vice chairman of the 1922 Committee of Conservative MPs,
told Boris Johnson to rein in Cabinet ministers “very, very quickly”,
as he also accused the Government of “robbing people of hope”.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps had defended the “strong action” for
UK nationals returning from high-risk destinations who lie about
their movements as necessary to prevent new mutations
of the virus entering the country.]

[Cherie]

I was just gonna say that ... people do seem to lift their mask to sneeze and cough ..


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and speak in some cases :idc: as if they can't be heard without removing it

[Cherie]

Conservative MP Charles Walker
is a pain in the ass.

He thinks The Cabinet are wrong about Fines
and Holidays?


So many people have not even had their 2nd vaccine yet.


[Sir Charles Walker, the vice chairman of the 1922 Committee of Conservative MPs,
told Boris Johnson to rein in Cabinet ministers “very, very quickly”,
as he also accused the Government of “robbing people of hope”.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps had defended the “strong action” for
UK nationals returning from high-risk destinations who lie about
their movements as necessary to prevent new mutations
of the virus entering the country.]


how very dramatic :laugh:

[user104658]

I'm not sure the world will ever be how it was pre-2020To be fair, that just is what it is, the world/times move on. The world isn't the same from one decade go the next and rarely goes backwards... And there have been huge shifts just as big as this one in the past (e.g. wars). The world was certainly never the same post-WW2. All you can really hope for is to make the best of it.

Let's face it, it's not like we were doing great pre-covid, we were just repeatedly shovelling various issues under various rugs.

[Vicky.]

Less huge events is a good thing.

Less air travel also. Though the way its been now..it seems to be about to go back to 'only rich people can go abroad'..which is ..not good really

Its the talk of like..basically endless lockdown cycles and that thats getting me very very down. But even that, I hear lockdown I think 'months of being told its nearly over and to be positive, then dragging on and on and on, with changing goalposts'...when really, like, a few days, or even a week every now and again wouldn't be too bad. Its the WAY its been here thats the problem I think, rather than the possibility of 'lockdowns'. Lockdown to me now makes me ****ing recoil. But...thats 'UK lockdown'...

[Nicky91]

Less huge events is a good thing.

Less air travel also. Though the way its been now..it seems to be about to go back to 'only rich people can go abroad'..which is ..not good really

Its the talk of like..basically endless lockdown cycles and that thats getting me very very down. But even that, I hear lockdown I think 'months of being told its nearly over and to be positive, then dragging on and on and on, with changing goalposts'...when really, like, a few days, or even a week every now and again wouldn't be too bad. Its the WAY its been here thats the problem I think, rather than the possibility of 'lockdowns'. Lockdown to me now makes me ****ing recoil. But...thats 'UK lockdown'...

some good points you make

as for less huge events, i actually am liking the ''virtual audience'' to back when it was normal

i also like the more home concerts/performances, which is more intimate than performing in front of millions of people at festivals

lesser air travel is better for climate, so corona does do a good thing somehow to create a healthier climate again


the 'Lockdown' well you still got 98% of your freedom at home, and we still got our entertainment on streaming services and tv channels too (the shows which can adapt to the lockdown regulations are still there, shame about BGT since that could've gone on with correct government safety protocols)


i have some moments where i feel bored yes ok i admit that, but i am either on netflix, or tv (mostly german tv channels for me even before the pandemic but now too, they do a proper job with their shows sticking to their regulations whilst still creating joyful entertainment for people at home)

also nice you got more live gaming streams, live music streams, esc revisit live streams, with a fun live chat so people can still ''socialize'' in some form

[bots]

Im no Boris fan, but really, they were accused of opening up too quickly last year and now they "appear" to be being careful and not over promising (did someone say Christmas?) I think it's sensible not to encourage people to book holidays until we see what its like here, and, what its like at popular holiday destinations ... we just don't know yet

[AnnieK]

I miss live concerts and festivals....I know they are trying with virtual concerts etc but nothing beats the atmosphere of a live gig :sad:

[Kazanne]

I miss live concerts and festivals....I know they are trying with virtual concerts etc but nothing beats the atmosphere of a live gig :sad:

That's what we miss,i do feel sorry for the artists and all those involved,my nephew is a stage hand and his job is decimated at the minute, So miss concerts etc.

[Zizu]

Im no Boris fan, but really, they were accused of opening up too quickly last year and now they "appear" to be being careful and not over promising (did someone say Christmas?) I think it's sensible not to encourage people to book holidays until we see what its like here, and, what its like at popular holiday destinations ... we just don't know yet



We are still getting between 13,000 to 18,000 new infections EVERY day ..

I saw an eminent virologist say that the ideal MINIMUM daily infections should be below 100 !!!

We have no idea where all these new variants are gonna take us infections-wise and that’s while we are still in lockdown .

Gawd help us when the restrictions are lifted


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[Vicky.]

the 'Lockdown' well you still got 98% of your freedom at home, and we still got our entertainment on streaming services and tv channels too (the shows which can adapt to the lockdown regulations are still there, shame about BGT since that could've gone on with correct government safety protocols)



While technically this is right, it doesnt feel that way at the minute.

This is why I would be fine with intermittent lockdowns really, aslong as they were short.

I think part of my issue is the kids though. I wouldn't be so bad with the lockdown otherwise. But trying to entertain 2 kids without going out really..long term, seems impossible and the lot of us are currently crawling the walls and nonestop bickering..adults included!

[Vicky.]

I miss live concerts and festivals....I know they are trying with virtual concerts etc but nothing beats the atmosphere of a live gig :sad:

A lot of friends are suffering with this bit like..

I see no real reason why the likes of glastonbury couldnt go on though. Outdoor infection risk is pretty much 0 it seems. Maybe not now, but talking long term, it would be unreasonable IMO to ban outdoor festivals and such. Indoor ones, maybe lessen the people there, though that would increase cost also..

[Beso]

I was just gonna say that ... people do seem to lift their mask to sneeze and cough ..


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I meant, I have never needed to sneeze, or cough much either tbh, with my mask on.

But yeah, I've seen the dirty buggers, wiping thier noses with it and lobbing it in a roadside bin.

[Beso]

and speak in some cases :idc: as if they can't be heard without removing it

I do that, but I take 2 giant steps backwards first.

[Vicky.]

Ugh I needed to sneeze in my mask, and it went against all my instincts to not lift if and cover nose..instead chosing to cover the mask, and risk potential snot all over my breathing device :umm2:

[Beso]

I miss live concerts and festivals....I know they are trying with virtual concerts etc but nothing beats the atmosphere of a live gig :sad:

The world changed when I saw paul weller singing with madness. I'm sorry, my life became complete then. Thus the world must end now.:wavey:

[Beso]

Ugh I needed to sneeze in my mask, and it went against all my instincts to not lift if and cover nose..instead chosing to cover the mask, and risk potential snot all over my breathing device :umm2:

Did you not do the pinch manoeuvre?

[Vicky.]

Did you not do the pinch manoeuvre?

Oddly, it did not occur to me at the time :laugh: Yes its the sensible answer, but for some reason i shoved my face into my elbow, and hoped for the best

(I didnt end up snotty :D)

[Beso]

Oddly, it did not occur to me at the time :laugh: Yes its the sensible answer, but for some reason i shoved my face into my elbow, and hoped for the best

(I didnt end up snotty :D)


So it was a windy one, one that made your mask shoot out like a trombone at its maximum length?

[Vicky.]

So it was a windy one, one that made your mask shoot out like a trombone at its maximum length?

Not sure, my elbow bore the brunt of it!

[Zizu]

Did you not do the pinch manoeuvre?



I have have massive sneezes so the pinch method isn’t an option .. I just dash away from people..


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[Vicky.]

The few times I go out, people look at me like a bomb. I have a nonestop cough (apparently long covid, oddly!) and...its a very very bad time to even cough once, nevermind continually. I understand 'the fear', but I swear I feel like a walking grenade or something :(

Genuinely considered making some sign that says...'don't worry, its long covid, not current covid' or something. The thought against it as...daft

[Beso]

Not sure, my elbow bore the brunt of it!

We call that the chicken wing.:hee:

I want to see more trombone masks in the world now.:joker:

[Vicky.]

We call that the chicken wing.:hee:

I want to see more trombone masks in the world now.:joker:

Haha, should start the trend! :D

[Beso]

The few times I go out, people look at me like a bomb. I have a nonestop cough (apparently long covid, oddly!) and...its a very very bad time to even cough once, nevermind continually. I understand 'the fear', but I swear I feel like a walking grenade or something :(

Genuinely considered making some sign that says...don't worry, its long covid, not current covid' or something. The thought against it as...daft

Aww..vicky.:wavey:


See when you put your mask on, does it instantly make you think about coughing?

(A statement worthy of an infraction pre 2020, perhaps)

[Vicky.]

Aww..vicky.:wavey:


See when you put your mask on, does it instantly make you think about coughing?

(A statement worthy of an infraction pre 2020, perhaps)

Nah not really. But am coughing anyway, regardless of mask!

I know they dont restrict breathing though, I know this, but my brain still seems to panic about it?! Its weird.

[Zizu]

The few times I go out, people look at me like a bomb. I have a nonestop cough (apparently long covid, oddly!) and...its a very very bad time to even cough once, nevermind continually. I understand 'the fear', but I swear I feel like a walking grenade or something :(

Genuinely considered making some sign that says...'don't worry, its long covid, not current covid' or something. The thought against it as...daft



Have you tried Boots own brand cough linctus ??

Two flavours I think .. Black-current or Honey-Lemon ..

Just ensure that it has glycerin as an active ingredient..

Fabulous stuff ... I quick swig and you won’t cough for hours .. if at all.

I take a quick dose at the first sign of a cough and it stops it in it’s tracks ..




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[Beso]

I have have massive sneezes so the pinch method isn’t an option .. I just dash away from people..


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Tibbs very own trombone masker..lushx

[Vicky.]

Have you tried Boots own brand cough linctus ??

Two flavours I think .. Black-current or Honey-Lemon ..

Just ensure that it has glycerin as an active ingredient..

Fabulous stuff ... I quick swig and you won’t cough for hours .. if at all.

I take a quick dose at the first sign of a cough and it stops it in it’s tracks ..



Have tried multiple things..was swigging cough stuff out of the bottle at one stage. It just..an annoyance I expect to deal with forever really. Just one of those things..

[Zizu]

Have tried multiple things..was swigging cough stuff out of the bottle at one stage. It just..an annoyance I expect to deal with forever really. Just one of those things..



The thing is there are loads of cough mixtures out there .. some famous brands and many expensive ones but the only ones that worked for me over the years of experimenting were the Boots Own and the Tesco own .. they both taste the same and are the the same price and bottle so I presume they are from the same manufacturer..

Anyways the key ingredient is the GLYCERIN ... that’s the stuff that apparently ‘lines’ the throat and stops cough ..


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[Vicky.]

Just checked, 2 of the ones I tried have that in

Will try and remember though if I need to go out somewhere, as have not tried that brand and yeah, sometimes brand make a difference. Thanks for the suggestion.

Chocolate does the throat thing to me though interestingly. Had tonslitus every other week as a kid, and none of the medical stuff worked for the pain. Tried (god knows why,,) sucking chocolate, and it coated it and removed a lot of the pain. People look a me funny though when they have a bad throat and I say 'suck chocolate!' :laugh:

[Beso]

Vicky!

Do you mean bite a bit of chocolate off let it melt in your mouth, or are we supposed to suck out the packet?..and any tips in what brands are best if it's the 2nd option.

[Zizu]

Just checked, 2 of the ones I tried have that in

Will try and remember though if I need to go out somewhere, as have not tried that brand and yeah, sometimes brand make a difference. Thanks for the suggestion.

Chocolate does the throat thing to me though interestingly. Had tonslitus every other week as a kid, and none of the medical stuff worked for the pain. Tried (god knows why,,) sucking chocolate, and it coated it and removed a lot of the pain. People look a me funny though when they have a bad throat and I say 'suck chocolate!' :laugh:



An old fashioned remedy for sore throats is a 1/2 spoonful of butter dipped in sugar !!

Sounds crazy ... but actually works brilliantly :)


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[joeysteele]

An old fashioned remedy for sore throats is a 1/2 spoonful of butter dipped in sugar !!

Sounds crazy ... but actually works brilliantly :)


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You are correct.

When I was a child, my Grandmother whenever I had a sore throat used to make me what she termed, sugar butter balls.

Rounded them like sweets, although she added a touch of vinegar too.

She said the butter oiled the throat, the vinegar numbed the discomfort and the sugar was a sweetener.

I always looked on them as a treat.
However my sore throat was eased bigtime, everytime.

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Nations with Over 10,000 Deaths of Covid-19

471,147 USA deaths
234,850 Brazil deaths
168,432 Mexico deaths
155,252 India deaths
115,067 United Kingdom deaths
92,338 Italy deaths
80,591 France deaths
76,873 Russia deaths
63,704 Spain deaths
63,224 Germany deaths
58,686 Iran deaths
56,733 Colombia deaths
49,674 Argentina deaths
47,145 South Africa deaths
42,626 Peru deaths
39,721 Poland deaths
32,167 Indonesia deaths
27,093 Turkey deaths
25,195 Ukraine deaths
21,472 Belgium deaths
21,001 Canada deaths
19,135 Romania deaths
19,105 Chile deaths
17,642 Czechia deaths
15,116 Ecuador deaths
14,718 Portugal deaths
14,708 Netherlands deaths
13,347 Hungary deaths
13,140 Iraq deaths
12,326 Sweden deaths
12,128 Pakistan deaths
11,401 Philippines deaths
10,929 Bolivia deaths



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[Nicky91]

Germany got lockdown now until 7th of March

1st of March though Barbers can reopen only under correct covid guidelines with proper PPE equipment and FFP2 face mask otherwise they can be closed again if they don't stick to guidelines

schools won't reopen (even though some regional leaders wanted that) but thx to advice of Professor Doctor Hendrik Streeck he still finds it how they live in uncertain times, regarding not knowing much about new strains, and not wanting too many of the new strain cases to go up, better to keep the schools closed for now until they know more

[Vanessa]

I was feeling a bit poorly yesterday, but I'm fine now.
I got headache and tiredness, but they told me it would happen.
But I think it's worth it to be protected.

[AnnieK]

I was feeling a bit poorly yesterday, but I'm fine now.
I got headache and tiredness, but they told me it would happen.
But I think it's worth it to be protected.

That's good to hear you're feeling ok today Vanessa. :love:

[Vanessa]

That's good to hear you're feeling ok today Vanessa. :love:

At least I didn't have any temperature. I was dreading that.

[Cherie]

@ Vanessa, good to hear your symptoms were minor

what is the obsession with summer holidays, we are in Feb fgs

Get the country open first before banging on about getting away :facepalm:

[Vanessa]

I just want to go to the seaside. To Southend :love:

[arista]

I just want to go to the seaside. To Southend :love:


Not yet
its not legal during this Lockdown

[Vanessa]

Not yet
its not legal during this Lockdown

Not now, hopefully this summer.

[joeysteele]

@ Vanessa, good to hear your symptoms were minor

what is the obsession with summer holidays, we are in Feb fgs

Get the country open first before banging on about getting away :facepalm:

I totally agree.

It's really getting on my nerves listening to the tripe being spouted.

So the Health secretary has booked a holiday in Cornwall.
Well in the Summer, a domestic holiday may be more likely.
Either way he can likely afford to lose any deposits.

I'm all for finding fault where fault lies but it's ridiculous how this holiday tripe is going at present.

I know someone who's had a cruise booked since before the first lockdown, now cancelled twice already now.
They know it can't happen and may not for ages.
Who knows.

As for booking holidays now, sorry to me that's just unwise.

[arista]

Not now, hopefully this summer.


Lets hope you get a good break.

[arista]

Australia
has said No Jab
No Pay for benefits claimers

[Cherie]

Australia
has said No Jab
No Pay.

what? you won't get paid unless you have a vaccination?

we need a link Sir

[Cherie]

I totally agree.

It's really getting on my nerves listening to the tripe being spouted.

So the Health secretary has booked a holiday in Cornwall.
Well in the Summer, a domestic holiday may be more likely.
Either way he can likely afford to lose any deposits.

I'm all for finding fault where fault lies but it's ridiculous how this holiday tripe is going at present.

I know someone who's had a cruise booked since before the first lockdown, now cancelled twice already now.
They know it can't happen and may not for ages.
Who knows.

As for booking holidays now, sorry to me that's just unwise.

We had a number of holidays booked last year, it took so long to get my money back I am not booking anything abroad until I know whats what

we did have a little break booked to IoW in Feb which has been moved to May :fc:

[Josy]

Australia
has said No Jab
No Pay.Give us a link you lazy poster :idc:

[arista]

Give us a link you lazy poster :idc:


It was a clip
from last year Australia Health Minister
on Ch5HD AM Live


Link
https://www.health.gov.au/news/deputy-chief-medical-officer-interview-on-the-latest-7-news-on-19-august-2020

[user104658]

Australia
has said No Jab
No Pay.

Australia's "No Jab, No Pay" policy goes back to 2016 and is about not getting benefits/child tax breaks/childcare help if you refuse to vaccinate children. It looks like it might be extended to stopping adult benefits payments if people refuse the Covid vaccine.

It has nothing to do with work-based-pay.

What a misleading post Arista.

[arista]

Australia's "No Jab, No Pay" policy goes back to 2016 and is about not getting benefits/child tax breaks/childcare help if you refuse to vaccinate children. It looks like it might be extended to stopping adult benefits payments if people refuse the Covid vaccine.

It has nothing to do with work-based-pay.

What a misleading post Arista.


Yes it was Dr. Nick Coatsworth
he said No Jab , No Pay

https://www.health.gov.au/news/deputy-chief-medical-officer-interview-on-the-latest-7-news-on-19-august-2020

Infectious Disease Specialist


Yes it was Benefits Pay.
Post corrected

[LukeB]

@ Vanessa, good to hear your symptoms were minor

what is the obsession with summer holidays, we are in Feb fgs

Get the country open first before banging on about getting away :facepalm:

People are desperate to go away after what’s going on and can you blame them? no. Gives people something to look forward to if it’s allowed then

[arista]

The Health Secretary
is Live talking about his reform


Parliament.

[Cherie]

People are desperate to go away after what’s going on and can you blame them? no. Gives people something to look forward to if it’s allowed then

Not being funny but the Government don't have a crystal ball so saying yes you can get away in the summer now would be just as mad as it was to let people mix at Christmas, the infection numbers do not support it at the moment and they dont have enough data on the vaccine roll out yet, it will only kick into the numbers this week or next

and its not like you cant book a last minute break

we have not been to our place in Spain since last Feb so I am just as eager to get away but there is no point going if it is going to drag us all down into the mire again

also weren't you away at Christmas so you are not too badly off surely?

[LukeB]

Not being funny but the Government don't have a crystal ball so saying yes you can get away in the summer now would be just as mad as it was to let people mix at Christmas, the infection numbers do not support it at the moment and they dont have enough data on the vaccine roll out yet, it will only kick into the numbers this week or next

and its not like you cant book a last minute break

we have not been to our place in Spain since last Feb so I am just as eager to get away but there is no point going if it is going to drag us all down into the mire again

also weren't you away at Christmas so you are not too badly off surely?

No, not at Christmas before lockdown 2 started but I’m not talking about me because I don’t really mind since I’ve already had one recently. I’m talking about those who haven’t been since this whole thing started and kept having their holidays cancelled. I know the gov don’t have a crystal ball but as I said they just a bit eager and desperate and probs fed up so It’s understandable. Maybe it’s the influencers going to Dubai made people feel like this :laugh:

[joeysteele]

The Health Secretary
is Live talking about his reform


Parliament.

Well since he's reversing or planning to, the unnecessary and shocking costly reforms that Cameron abused power to do.
Then I support this.

In fact I'm becoming more impressed with Matt Hancock at present.

I would prefer the NHS and reforms to be on an all party consultation and have something up that will be stable and secure from further changes on a party political basis.
Also perhaps not done until this pandemic is more controlled.

This has been a turbulent and mentally and physically draining year for the NHS with this virus.

I'd like him to open that up and involve all Parties too.

However, at present the Health secretary is looking and sounding much more adept.

Critics in the Cons and others may say he's only positioning himself to run for the leadership again..
Well if that was so, good on him.
Maybe he's realised how pathetic this PM is.

Acknowledging they were wrong and need changing/ reversing as to Cameron's deceitful reforms done from 2012.
Well Matt Hancock gets my applause on that.

[Cherie]

No, not at Christmas before lockdown 2 started but I’m not talking about me because I don’t really mind since I’ve already had one recently. I’m talking about those who haven’t been since this whole thing started and kept having their holidays cancelled. I know the gov don’t have a crystal ball but as I said they just a bit eager and desperate and probs fed up so It’s understandable. Maybe it’s the influencers going to Dubai made people feel like this :laugh:

Yeah I get you but as far as I can see its the media asking about holidays, every briefing its the same thing, like can we open the restaurants and non essential shops before we start talking about holidays

[LukeB]

Yeah I get you but as far as I can see its the media asking about holidays, every briefing its the same thing, like can we open the restaurants and non essential shops before we start talking about holidays

tbf it's also people because i'm in a few facebook groups for the places i go to and so many are asking :laugh: but i do agree about resturants and non-essential shops being the main focus espically resturants and pub.

but yeah it's no point asking about holidays tbh because you got think of airbridge and all that too like I wouldn't recommend going to places that don't have a airbridge :laugh:

[Josy]

Yeah I get you but as far as I can see its the media asking about holidays, every briefing its the same thing, like can we open the restaurants and non essential shops before we start talking about holidaysI feel it's the same loop constantly tbh we have lockdown people moan but then we do slowly start seeing numbers decreasing then one of the government make a stupid off the cuff comment or suggestion not thinking of the consequences, the public get false hope and the media jump on it, they (the government) give into pressure and open things or ease restrictions too soon then it all just starts over again.

Soon as I read about the holiday comment this morning I just thought oh god here we go again, yes it's good for people to have something to look forward too but not sooner than we should or it comes at a cost of messing everything up again :/

[arista]

I feel it's the same loop constantly tbh we have lockdown people moan but then we do slowly start seeing numbers decreasing then one of the government make a stupid off the cuff comment or suggestion not thinking of the consequences, the public get false hope and the media jump on it, they (the government) give into pressure and open things or ease restrictions too soon then it all just starts over again.

Soon as I read about the holiday comment this morning I just thought oh god here we go again, yes it's good for people to have something to look forward too but not sooner than we should or it comes at a cost of messing everything up again :/


Yes the mess
up is due again.

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

Holidays are a pipe dream for the moment, it's utter foolishness to talk about them when we aren't in a position to open up schools yet. Holidays should only be a thing when opening schools doesn't risk overwhelming the NHS, when things are in control to a point we can get some semblance of normality back without risking another lockdown.

[bots]

we didn't have the new variant last summer, so we don't realistically know if that is going to make things trickier for those not yet vaccinated

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.472 new cases (more testing again now so therefore slight increase compared to week before)

now 1.952 total of hospitalisations (yesterday 1.990)

537 total on ICU (yesterday 533)

74 new deaths (yesterday 78)

[arista]

Holidays are a pipe dream for the moment, it's utter foolishness to talk about them when we aren't in a position to open up schools yet. Holidays should only be a thing when opening schools doesn't risk overwhelming the NHS, when things are in control to a point we can get some semblance of normality back without risking another lockdown.



Yes but reports on a Radio and TV News
is many folks are booking holidays for
later in the year, online.
Thinking it will all, better in some months.

Next is The Prime Minister
Monday 22nd of Feb
that's when he claims to have the data
to decide the Education can start again.



Next week Parliament is in Recess
starts February 13 February 2020
and then returns 24 February 2020

[Vanessa]

It's definitely too early to book anything.
I'd wait until the next review, to see if the where we are.

[arista]

It's definitely too early to book anything.
I'd wait until the next review, to see if the where we are.


Yes you Vanessa
have the better sense,

[Zizu]

Sooooo .. slight tangent .. but you know all the thousands of people getting vaccinated daily ... presumably many must be already infected and are asymptotic ??

How does that effect them ??

Good , bad or indifferent ??


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[Cherie]

Sooooo .. slight tangent .. but you know all the thousands of people getting vaccinated daily ... presumably many must be already infected and are asymptotic ??

How does that effect them ??

Good , bad or indifferent ??


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It would boost their antibodies that is the answer Van Tam gave when asked if people needed to be vaccinated if they already had covid and recovered
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[Nicky91]

It would boost their antibodies that is the answer Van Tam gave when asked if people needed to be vaccinated if they already had covid and recovered
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yes, also decrease their chances from landing on a ICU bed when infected after having been vaccinated

decrease their chances of dying

so this should've long been given to all elderly, was discussed in a talk show in my country too, one said sad we first vaccinated our younger care workers while elderly are risk group and we have means to protect them from the virus and increase their survival odds

[arista]

The UK Gov Site has not yet been updated

[Cherie]

The UK Gov Site has not yet been updated

Heads will roll

[Cherie]

Vaccine passports back on the agenda again

[bots]

a vaccine passport is not good enough though. People could still be carrying the virus and so everyone is still going to need to be tested, with or without vaccination. I can actually see insurance companies refusing travel insurance to anyone not vaccinated

[Cherie]

a vaccine passport is not good enough though. People could still be carrying the virus and so everyone is still going to need to be tested, with or without vaccination. I can actually see insurance companies refusing travel insurance to anyone not vaccinated

I think it will be both, the testing is in place already

[arista]

Thursday 11/2/21

678 have Died

13,494 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
25,621

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,132


115,529 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-678-more-uk-deaths-reported-as-vaccination-total-passes-13-5m-12215301

[MTVN]

Numbers still shooting down, hopefully be in the single thousands of cases in 2 weeks time

[DouglasS]

Numbers still shooting down, hopefully be in the single thousands of cases in 2 weeks time

Yes everything is falling down massively, I think the vaccine rollout has been a real success, we may have hit a high peak but it’s going down almost as fast as it went up...

Holidays should definitely happen this summer, I’m definitely going to be celebrating whatever is said this summer

[Zizu]

Numbers still shooting down, hopefully be in the single thousands of cases in 2 weeks time



The ‘guideline’ according to one virologist is a daily new infections rate of under 100 ..

I fear the government will be under too much pressure to release the restrictions before we get down to that level.


We are nowhere close to that even in this lockdown..


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[Vanessa]

Numbers will fall down even more in the next few months, thanks to the vaccine rollout.

[Zizu]

Numbers will fall down even more in the next few months, thanks to the vaccine rollout.



Everyone and his uncle want restrictions to be restricted in a few weeks .. it seems to be accepted that schools will completely reopen on 8th March which is pure madness


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[Zizu]

Sky News Press Review just revealed that there are ‘currently’ 4,000 different Covid19 variants across the world !!!


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