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arista
22-07-2020, 10:20 AM
Today is the final PMQ's
as they take a Holiday.
Which is so wrong
at this time.
Nicky91
22-07-2020, 10:42 AM
Netherlands some updates
- amount of new cases here have doubled compared to few weeks ago
however also some more positive news to be worth mentioned, amount of hospital patients is now almost the same as before the whole covid-19 crisis
over 90% of all regular treatments has been resumed by staff again here
Smithy
22-07-2020, 10:46 AM
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God you know it’s bad when even the Daily Star is dragging the government
joeysteele
22-07-2020, 11:59 AM
Today is the final PMQ's
as they take a Holiday.
Which is so wrong
at this time.
Telling everyone else to get out there where this virus may be and back to work.
While stopping again themselves.
Great guidance and message that, I think not.
arista
22-07-2020, 04:35 PM
Today 79 Deaths
Total UK Covid-19 Deaths : 45,501
Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
560
Number of additional cases on Wednesday 22 July 2020]
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
arista
22-07-2020, 04:43 PM
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arista
22-07-2020, 11:46 PM
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arista
22-07-2020, 11:48 PM
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22-07-2020, 11:49 PM
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22-07-2020, 11:51 PM
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22-07-2020, 11:52 PM
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22-07-2020, 11:54 PM
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Today Thursday
Johnson PM is due in Scotland.
Nicky91
23-07-2020, 06:41 AM
Rotterdam Mayor Aboutaleb has went public on what he wants to see happen in Netherlands, a must on face coverings also in Streets, not just stores and public transport
he also got support from one health expert Ab Osterhaus, who also wants to see every last bit of covid-19 disappear from Netherlands
Nicky91
23-07-2020, 07:41 AM
also some things they are considering here
- no summer party's by youth these current times
- also looked into, for festivals next year no applauses, no cheering, no socializing between audiences, reduced audiences too at festivals
so likely Eurovision contest with a reduced audience given we are expecting a second wave, third wave since the vaccines are going way too slow its progress
arista
24-07-2020, 03:02 AM
Yesterday was 53 Dead
UK total of Covid-19 Deaths 44,554
Additional Data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
769
Number of additional cases on Thursday 23 July 2020]
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
arista
24-07-2020, 03:03 AM
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arista
24-07-2020, 03:04 AM
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arista
24-07-2020, 03:04 AM
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arista
24-07-2020, 03:05 AM
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Cherie
24-07-2020, 07:03 AM
The headline on the Telegraph..it’s almost like they want to give people the idea not to bother with a mask
Nicky91
24-07-2020, 07:10 AM
The headline on the Telegraph..it’s almost like they want to give people the idea not to bother with a mask
and here in Netherlands, it seems they are bribing experts now given the one who wanted a must on face coverings, now had said this morning like ''it doesn't need to be throughout whole country immediately''
:facepalm: how stupid can one be in our RIVM
my mom will continue wearing face masks for a long while, months maybe years since if those idiots are being too lacklustre about this virus, this virus will stick with us for like 5 more years or so
joeysteele
24-07-2020, 07:37 AM
Re The Telegraph.
The pathetic Asda store near me, now has its one way markings removed.
People charging up and down the aisles barely inches apart.
Asda are a disgrace.
Most staff have no facecoverings, even less customers.
I won't be going there and it doesn't surprise me they won't be enforcing facecoverings to protect customers.
They've got security employed in the store who only seem interested in any school age customers.
Watching every move they make.
If one of them walked in with a hood over their head, they'd be told to pull it down.
They won't ensure facecoverings are worn in their Store though.
When more people who've been shielding will be starting to go out from the end of next week.
Surprised at Sainsbury's.
I only go for a few items, the bulk we need is delivered.
However I'll make sure I give Asda a miss for sure now, if I need to head out for anything.
Hopeless store anyway in reality in my view.
My nearest Tesco (medium sized) has removed their one way system as well, assume that's the case in all their stores
...so the masks are removing the distancing, then..?...again it feels as though there is often an absence of honesty if it’s to enable more people in shops, rather than a protection and care for life...
Vanessa
24-07-2020, 08:17 AM
Re The Telegraph.
The pathetic Asda store near me, now has its one way markings removed.
People charging up and down the aisles barely inches apart.
Asda are a disgrace.
Most staff have no facecoverings, even less customers.
I won't be going there and it doesn't surprise me they won't be enforcing facecoverings to protect customers.
They've got security employed in the store who only seem interested in any school age customers.
Watching every move they make.
If one of them walked in with a hood over their head, they'd be told to pull it down.
They won't ensure facecoverings are worn in their Store though.
When more people who've been shielding will be starting to go out from the end of next week.
Surprised at Sainsbury's.
I only go for a few items, the bulk we need is delivered.
However I'll make sure I give Asda a miss for sure now, if I need to head out for anything.
Hopeless store anyway in reality in my view.
This is exactly why I do my food shopping online.
Much safer.
This Friday was supposed the opening day of the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. They're now planned as Tokyo 2021 but it's not at all clear whether they'll be able to go ahead then.
And even if the Games happen, some athletes will be too old, too exhausted or too financially stretched to wait for another year.
The BBC's Japan correspondent Rupert Wingfield-Hayes spoke to athletes, organisers and pundits about the fading hopes for the sports spectacle to go ahead.
The only time an Olympic Games has been completely cancelled before is because of World War Two, and that games was - you guessed it - 1940 in Tokyo.
joeysteele
24-07-2020, 08:25 AM
This is exactly why I do my food shopping online.
Much safer.
Yes we do too, it's just if some things are needed I pop out for them.
We have a small shop, there's only 3 staff in it.
That's where I'll be popping to if the greedy big Stores continue to act irresponsibly.
That shop already has a notice on the door, saying facecovering must be worn on the premises.
It still also only has 2 customers in at any one time too.
If they can do it, so can the greedy big Stores.
I think any Store that refuses to enforce this, then fine them too.
They've usually as I say, got miserable security guards parading around doing next to nothing most of the day, trying to look important.
Nicky91
24-07-2020, 08:29 AM
first infection confirmed from 8 metres distance, in one food factory here in Netherlands, that was inside, also 10 degrees
and then the 1.5 metre distancing doesn't help anything
Cherie
24-07-2020, 08:55 AM
Our local BP shop has introduced a one way system recently so that removal by other shops seems to be a management decision
the really stupid thing is that people are wearing masks but not wearing them properly. Wearing them so they dont cover their nose or hanging off one ear. Legally they are still wearing a mask. Social distancing will evaporate as long as the infection rate stays low. People will only start to take notice if they think they have a high probability of catching it and at the moment the chance is something like 1 in 800,000
I think it might be a legal requirement to have one way in small shops but that doesn't apply over a certain square foot, the guidance has also changed for a lot of shops to increase their maximum capacity as part of 1m plus
Cherie
24-07-2020, 10:09 AM
the really stupid thing is that people are wearing masks but not wearing them properly. Wearing them so they dont cover their nose or hanging off one ear. Legally they are still wearing a mask. Social distancing will evaporate as long as the infection rate stays low. People will only start to take notice if they think they have a high probability of catching it and at the moment the chance is something like 1 in 800,000
its like deja vue :laugh:
the really stupid thing is that people are wearing masks but not wearing them properly. Wearing them so they dont cover their nose or hanging off one ear. Legally they are still wearing a mask. Social distancing will evaporate as long as the infection rate stays low. People will only start to take notice if they think they have a high probability of catching it and at the moment the chance is something like 1 in 800,000
I thought it was 1 in 2,000 ?
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I think it might be a legal requirement to have one way in small shops but that doesn't apply over a certain square foot, the guidance has also changed for a lot of shops to increase their maximum capacity as part of 1m plus
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What's that got to do with my post
its like deja vue :laugh:
all this mask wearing is warping reality
Vanessa
24-07-2020, 12:23 PM
first infection confirmed from 8 metres distance, in one food factory here in Netherlands, that was inside, also 10 degrees
and then the 1.5 metre distancing doesn't help anything
We use visors at our factory.
And plexiglass that separates everything.
Vanessa
24-07-2020, 12:24 PM
I only wear a mask if I go in a shop.
I don't wear it if I'm outside, but when you're out you can social distance.
Crimson Dynamo
24-07-2020, 01:12 PM
We have social distance ambassadors now who direct you and control movement like a traffic cop. We also get 3 masks a day now as well and cleansing stations all over the place.
Cherie
24-07-2020, 01:29 PM
Just been to Sains, 95% of customers in masks or face coverings, Joey will be pleased to hear the staff shelf stacking were wearing masks and most of the till staff had visors on behind the perspex screen ...not supplied by Sains as I asked :laugh:
arista
24-07-2020, 01:33 PM
This Friday was supposed the opening day of the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. They're now planned as Tokyo 2021 but it's not at all clear whether they'll be able to go ahead then.
And even if the Games happen, some athletes will be too old, too exhausted or too financially stretched to wait for another year.
The BBC's Japan correspondent Rupert Wingfield-Hayes spoke to athletes, organisers and pundits about the fading hopes for the sports spectacle to go ahead.
The only time an Olympic Games has been completely cancelled before is because of World War Two, and that games was - you guessed it - 1940 in Tokyo.
Yes I wonder if a year if long enough
for other nations like Brazil, to even go to Japan.
Covid-19 is getting worse is so many nations now
Compliance very high from what I've seen so far today as well. I've hated it tbh, felt very claustrophobic and not managed to stop it steaming up the glasses yet but I suppose I'll get used to it
Gypsy
24-07-2020, 01:41 PM
The reason the major supermarkets are not enforcing the masks is because it leads to confrontation, as the last few weeks have shown with things like customers having to wait outside, 1 person per household, one-way systems etc. One of the security guards in my store has been spat at 3 times since Covid-19 while trying to enforce various measures.
As for the one-way systems being removed I'm glad because they have actually made my job harder and people ignored them anyway
arista
24-07-2020, 01:52 PM
The reason the major supermarkets are not enforcing the masks is because it leads to confrontation, as the last few weeks have shown with things like customers having to wait outside, 1 person per household, one-way systems etc. One of the security guards in my store has been spat at 3 times since Covid-19 while trying to enforce various measures.
As for the one-way systems being removed I'm glad because they have actually made my job harder and people ignored them anyway
that's terrible
Spitting
joeysteele
24-07-2020, 01:52 PM
Just been to Sains, 95% of customers in masks or face coverings, Joey will be pleased to hear the staff shelf stacking were wearing masks and most of the till staff had visors on behind the perspex screen ...not supplied by Sains as I asked :laugh:
I'm very pleased to hear that.
Particularly too, the shelf stackers.
Thank you Cherie.
arista
24-07-2020, 01:55 PM
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LBC
arista
24-07-2020, 01:57 PM
Compliance very high from what I've seen so far today as well. I've hated it tbh, felt very claustrophobic and not managed to stop it steaming up the glasses yet but I suppose I'll get used to it
Yes it does get harder
but its necessary.
arista
24-07-2020, 02:10 PM
Bogner Regis Butlins
Has opened today
guests are booking
just under 2,000
normally 6,000.
Staff will have face coverings
Swimming Pools Open — Live Entertainment
everyone seated in a distance.
The Managing Director John Picup
was interviewed Ian King
on 9:30AM Business report SkyNewsHD
arista
24-07-2020, 04:11 PM
Johnson PM
has given long interviews to SkyNewsHD
and BBCnewsHD
arista
24-07-2020, 06:11 PM
Today 123 deaths
Total UK Covid-19 Deaths 45,677
770 new cases.
What's that got to do with my post
It’s all part of the ‘same’ conversation ..
why are you sooooo touchy .
Jees
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It’s all part of the ‘same’ conversation ..
why are you sooooo touchy .
Jees
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Want to take it outside :oh:
James
24-07-2020, 07:23 PM
This Friday was supposed the opening day of the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. They're now planned as Tokyo 2021 but it's not at all clear whether they'll be able to go ahead then.
And even if the Games happen, some athletes will be too old, too exhausted or too financially stretched to wait for another year.
The BBC's Japan correspondent Rupert Wingfield-Hayes spoke to athletes, organisers and pundits about the fading hopes for the sports spectacle to go ahead.
The only time an Olympic Games has been completely cancelled before is because of World War Two, and that games was - you guessed it - 1940 in Tokyo.
I read the one-year delay will cost $5.8 billion.
Today 123 deaths
Total UK Covid-19 Deaths 45,677
770 new cases.
Only 16 deaths in hospitals :conf2:
Crimson Dynamo
24-07-2020, 08:18 PM
Today 123 deaths
Total UK Covid-19 Deaths 45,677
770 new cases.
These figures are BS in
Lol
caprimint
24-07-2020, 08:23 PM
Want to take it outside :oh:
:joker:
joeysteele
24-07-2020, 09:30 PM
Only 16 deaths in hospitals :conf2:
What I'd like to know is.
Since it's being said out of over 100 deaths, that 16 are in hospital.
Why????
If these people losing their lives are at that point, why are they dying outside of hospitals.
Why aren't they in hospital at least getting relief from some symptoms or on oxygen.
Are all of them, not having any chance of being saved by being on a ventilator either.
It's irrelevant to me as to where the deaths are, in their own homes, care homes or hospitals.
However my question is, with so called, so much more testing.
Why are only 16 dying in Hospital out of 123 deaths.
Can anyone answer this??
Because to me, it stinks to high heaven.
These are people's lives, leaving again 123 sets of families, friends and neighbours grieving over a vital and sadly lossed life of their loved ones.
arista
24-07-2020, 10:53 PM
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arista
24-07-2020, 10:53 PM
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arista
24-07-2020, 10:54 PM
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arista
24-07-2020, 10:54 PM
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Nicky91
25-07-2020, 11:29 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/07/people-less-inclined-to-observe-coronavirus-rules-as-infection-number-rises/
latest from Netherlands, not looking good here in terms of new cases, people less inclined to keep to the corona regulations and even those who are infected go out and not staying in quarantine
Livia
25-07-2020, 11:41 AM
Do they actually say headaches? Because one of the primary properties of paracetamol is that it's an antipyretic (it brings down a fever) - mild fever is a pretty common vaccination side effect so it's maybe more likely they're referring to that. Muscle stiffness at the vaccination site too (if it's a needle-vax).
I'm prone to headaches and the very occasional migraine too, so as an aside, I would strongly recommend using ibuprofen or a codeine-based painkiller (or a combination of the two) for headaches rather than paracetamol. Makes a huge difference. Just don't get hooked on the codeine :joker:.
Off topic, soz... have you tried Migraleve pink and yellow? I get migraines, although very infrequently thankfully, and although they're only over the counter pills I fine them excellent and the anti nausea element of them stops the nausea almost instantly... for me anyway.
arista
25-07-2020, 04:38 PM
Today 61 dead
UK Covid-19 Total of deaths :45,738
Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
767
Number of additional cases on Saturday 25 July 2020]
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
arista
25-07-2020, 05:52 PM
New
from Midnight tonight.
Any returning from Spain To England
must now spend 14 days at home.
Scotland says the same as well.
Ref: Ch4HDnews / SkyNewsHD /LBC
Cherie to protest in London?
LukeB
25-07-2020, 06:15 PM
New
from Midnight tonight.
Any returning from Spain To England
must now spend 14 days at home.
Scotland says the same as well.
Ref: Ch4HDnews / SkyNewsHD /LBC
I imagine it could be a nightmare with some having more time off work since they went to spain knowing they do not have to self isolate coming back but now they do.
Cherie
25-07-2020, 08:10 PM
Cherie to protest in London?
:laugh: :oh:
Cherie
25-07-2020, 08:13 PM
I imagine it could be a nightmare with some having more time off work since they went to spain knowing they do not have to self isolate coming back but now they do.
We were worried about Spain going back into lockdown so haven’t booked anything, going to the Isle of Wight instead I wonder if they want us really :laugh:
arista
26-07-2020, 04:51 AM
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...and it was once said that it wouldn’t thrive so well in the heat as well but that doesn’t seem to make a difference as we’re seeing worldwide...Florida are not that hugely far away from hurricane season as well, poor things...
...and it was once said that it wouldn’t thrive so well in the heat as well but that doesn’t seem to make a difference as we’re seeing worldwide...Florida are not that hugely far away from hurricane season as well, poor things...
outdoors it's still ok as the UV kills it, but of course indoors, there is still the same problem, no uv light there
arista
26-07-2020, 05:07 AM
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arista
26-07-2020, 05:09 AM
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arista
26-07-2020, 07:34 AM
BBC on Holiday
Ridge on SkyNewsHD working
Jon Ashworth Shadow Labour Health Sec.
on now
Also a recorded interview with Blair.
Dominic Raab MP
Layla Moran LibDem MP
arista
26-07-2020, 12:40 PM
If anyone has Covid-19 test
it needs to be done within 24hours
or it is useless.
arista
26-07-2020, 06:53 PM
Today 14 Deaths
UK Total Covid-19 deaths : 45,752
747 news cases
Ch4HDnews
arista
26-07-2020, 08:07 PM
Covid -19 Deaths above 10,000
146,754 USA deaths
86,449 Brazil deaths
45,837 United Kingdom deaths
43,680 Mexico deaths
35,107 Italy deaths
32,063 India deaths
30,195 France deaths
28,432 Spain deaths
17,843 Peru deaths
15,700 Iran deaths
13,249 Russia death
Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
arista
27-07-2020, 01:58 AM
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arista
27-07-2020, 01:59 AM
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arista
27-07-2020, 02:00 AM
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arista
27-07-2020, 02:00 AM
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arista
27-07-2020, 02:01 AM
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arista
27-07-2020, 02:02 AM
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Cherie
27-07-2020, 07:35 AM
'Travellers return angry and CONFUSED'
where's the confusion, stay at home for 14 days in case you brought it back...how difficult is that to understand, you left the country in the middle of a pandemic to go on holiday, you knew the risks, and if you didn't then more fool you
I’m sorry but this whole spain outrage is ridiculous. did anyone expect to have a un-distributed holiday this year? lol. fair enough if you go away to another country for a break i’ve thought about it but do not expect there to be some restrictions or measures that could come into place.
it's one thing i think the government have got right :laugh:
I would rather they err on the side of caution and potentially stop thousands coming back into the UK with covid. I thought they caved in to the airlines much to quickly in the first place.
joeysteele
27-07-2020, 07:54 AM
'Travellers return angry and CONFUSED'
where's the confusion, stay at home for 14 days in case you brought it back...how difficult is that to understand, you left the country in the middle of a pandemic to go on holiday, you knew the risks, and if you didn't then more fool you
Absolutely right.
Things can change in an instant as we saw when Leicester was put fast back into a lockdown.
I understand people wanting holidays and to physically see relatives and friends abroad.
However, it's just so uncertain and delays and sudden changes are likely.
So in my view, best to hang on longer for hopefully less uncertain times.
user104658
27-07-2020, 08:08 AM
I agree that going abroad right now is an absolutely flabbergasting decision and hugely risky... However, I do have some sympathy for people because the government and press made active efforts to make it seem like it was OK or even safe.
I know most of us here are a bit more discerning, but sadly, there are millions who will take the official line (and what they see in the tabloids) as gospel and not really do any further digging.
starry
27-07-2020, 08:11 AM
People from abroad brought it here in the first place, why would people just do that all over again? No sympathy for these people at all, actually most of them seem really annoying anyway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541503
There's a guy here who says people are much better in Spain with the virus, while also blaming British people in Spain for spreading it. Feels contradictory while also being the kind of self-hating on British people that I've really had enough of as well. If some people want to move to Spain, ok, let them keep there.
Covid -19 Deaths above 10,000
146,754 USA deaths
86,449 Brazil deaths
45,837 United Kingdom deaths
43,680 Mexico deaths
35,107 Italy deaths
32,063 India deaths
30,195 France deaths
28,432 Spain deaths
17,843 Peru deaths
15,700 Iran deaths
13,249 Russia death
The problem with death figures is that nearly everyone counts them differently, Mexico is about double what they say and Spanish deaths are now thought to be in the 40s.
arista
27-07-2020, 09:29 AM
People from abroad brought it here in the first place, why would people just do that all over again? No sympathy for these people at all, actually most of them seem really annoying anyway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541503
There's a guy here who says people are much better in Spain with the virus, while also blaming British people in Spain for spreading it. Feels contradictory while also being the kind of self-hating on British people that I've really had enough of as well. If some people want to move to Spain, ok, let them keep there.
The problem with death figures is that nearly everyone counts them differently, Mexico is about double what they say and Spanish deaths are now thought to be in the 40s.
Yes its a problem.
user104658
27-07-2020, 09:34 AM
The problem with death figures is that nearly everyone counts them differently, Mexico is about double what they say and Spanish deaths are now thought to be in the 40s.
Some countries simply don't have the healthcare infrastructure to record all of the deaths properly. For example, Brazil is beautiful in places but it's a country of over 200 million people, with a huge number having no access to decent standards of living or healthcare. Honestly I would suspect that the true numbers in Brazil match the numbers in the US - if not exceeding them.
arista
27-07-2020, 09:36 AM
Simon Calder on ITV1HD this morning
said if you go from Spain to France
it means you return from France to England via Train.
Sounds Dodgy.
user104658
27-07-2020, 09:43 AM
Simon Calder on ITV1HD this morning
said if you go from Spain to France
it means you return from France to England via Train.
Sounds Dodgy.
Well this is obviously the issue with air bridges and restrictions in continental Europe; you can fly to a country with an "air bridge", then travel freely between any country whose borders are open, so long as you return via a "bridge" country. Likewise if you find yourself in a country that ends up off the safe list, but it's possible to travel to a country that IS on the list, you can just come back via there.
Nicky91
27-07-2020, 09:49 AM
Vietnam wants to get rid of all tourists in its country, given they had given the country a rise in new cases
400 new cases, and all of them come from tourism, while it had been several months now since the last local case
it's equally possible that people don't isolate for 14 days. It's working on a system of trust. In those circumstances people can always get around rules and they always will until we become a police state
Covid-19 is "easily the most severe" global health emergency the World Health Organization (WHO) has ever declared, the agency has said.
Speaking at a press conference in Geneva, the head of the WHO, Dr Tedros Ghebreyesus, said that almost 16 million cases have been reported to the UN body, along with 640,000 deaths.
"The pandemic continues to accelerate," he said, adding: "In the past six weeks the total number of cases has roughly doubled."
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No **** Sherlock
Cherie
27-07-2020, 12:06 PM
People from abroad brought it here in the first place, why would people just do that all over again? No sympathy for these people at all, actually most of them seem really annoying anyway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541503
There's a guy here who says people are much better in Spain with the virus, while also blaming British people in Spain for spreading it. Feels contradictory while also being the kind of self-hating on British people that I've really had enough of as well. If some people want to move to Spain, ok, let them keep there.
The problem with death figures is that nearly everyone counts them differently, Mexico is about double what they say and Spanish deaths are now thought to be in the 40s.
yes the Spanish numbers look very dodgy they haven't moved for months
..Breaking News...
Pet cat becomes first animal to test positive for COVID-19 in UK...
A pet cat has become the first animal to test positive for coronavirus in the UK.
The only details known about the feline are that it lives in England and was tested at a laboratory in Weybridge, Surrey, last week, on 22 July.
The government said there is "no evidence" the cat transmitted the virus to its owners or that any other domestic pets are able to, either.
Chief veterinary officer Christine Middlemiss explained: "Tests conducted by the Animal and Plant Health Agency have confirmed that the virus responsible for COVID-19 has been detected in a pet cat in England.
"This is a very rare event with infected animals detected to date only showing mild clinical signs and recovering within in a few days.
"There is no evidence to suggest that pets directly transmit the virus to humans. We will continue to monitor this situation closely and will update."
Yvonne Doyle, medical director of Public Health England, said the finding "should not be a cause for alarm".
Dogs are good and cats are bad, and there's the proof
...maybe that cat will turn out to be the key to an antidote, don’t ever underestimate a cat...
user104658
27-07-2020, 12:46 PM
..Breaking News...
Pet cat becomes first animal to test positive for COVID-19 in UK...
A pet cat has become the first animal to test positive for coronavirus in the UK.
The only details known about the feline are that it lives in England and was tested at a laboratory in Weybridge, Surrey, last week, on 22 July.
The government said there is "no evidence" the cat transmitted the virus to its owners or that any other domestic pets are able to, either.
Chief veterinary officer Christine Middlemiss explained: "Tests conducted by the Animal and Plant Health Agency have confirmed that the virus responsible for COVID-19 has been detected in a pet cat in England.
"This is a very rare event with infected animals detected to date only showing mild clinical signs and recovering within in a few days.
"There is no evidence to suggest that pets directly transmit the virus to humans. We will continue to monitor this situation closely and will update."
Yvonne Doyle, medical director of Public Health England, said the finding "should not be a cause for alarm".
These stories have cropped up now and again going right back to January. As yet I don't think there's really much to them... none of the previous ones have come to anything, anyway. I honestly think a lot of them have been false positives in animals that happen to be sick with something else; e.g. they think the dog that was tested positive in China months ago just had viral particles stuck in its nose from sniffing around and those were caught by the test. The dog itself wasn't infected.
These stories have cropped up now and again going right back to January. As yet I don't think there's really much to them... none of the previous ones have come to anything, anyway. I honestly think a lot of them have been false positives in animals that happen to be sick with something else; e.g. they think the dog that was tested positive in China months ago just had viral particles stuck in its nose from sniffing around and those were caught by the test. The dog itself wasn't infected.
...I think that because it was sick with something else and the virus showed up and then other tests were done and confirmed etc..?..it probably is a true test on the cat and it has passed over...but as it says, this is extremely rare and and a mild case...(...not that there is a gage of mild or severe to go by...but you know...)...
Nicky91
27-07-2020, 12:59 PM
yes the Spanish numbers look very dodgy they haven't moved for months
some weren't covid deaths there in Spain so they were removed from death count
arista
27-07-2020, 05:05 PM
Shapps MP
Transport Sec., is to cut short his Spanish Holiday
and Fly back to the UK
SkyNewsHD
arista
27-07-2020, 06:17 PM
Today 7 deaths
UK Total Covid-19 Deaths: 45,759
300,111 Confirmed Cases.
Ch4HDnews Data.
arista
27-07-2020, 08:30 PM
7:30PM
BBC1HD Panorama China's Coronavirus Cover-Up.
Shocking report
Cherie
27-07-2020, 10:21 PM
7:30PM
BBC1HD Panorama China's Coronavirus Cover-Up.
Shocking report
Is it worth a watch Arista?
arista
28-07-2020, 03:04 AM
Is it worth a watch Arista?
Yes it is.
BBC News presenter Carrie Gracie
was the BBC reporter in China,
for many years.
She sits on a London Roof
going through all the Shocking China Cover Ups.
First and second week of January
China had a chance to be honest,
but failed.
arista
28-07-2020, 03:05 AM
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arista
28-07-2020, 03:06 AM
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arista
28-07-2020, 03:07 AM
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arista
28-07-2020, 03:17 AM
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arista
28-07-2020, 03:24 AM
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arista
28-07-2020, 03:25 AM
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arista
28-07-2020, 03:27 AM
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arista
28-07-2020, 03:44 AM
[Coronavirus: Spanish PM says UK's travel
restrictions 'unjust'
The UK government decision to advise against
all but essential travel to the whole of Spain
was "unjust", the country's prime minister has said.
Pedro Sanchez said tourists in most Spanish regions
would be safer from coronavirus than in the UK,
and he was hoping Britain would rethink its move.
He said talks were ongoing after the
UK imposed a 14-day quarantine on
people returning from anywhere in Spain.
Labour said the government's handling of the
restrictions had been "chaotic".
But the UK government said it has no plans to
change its decision to reintroduce the quarantine
measures from last Sunday - with Boris Johnson's
official spokesman warning that
"no travel is risk-free during this pandemic".]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53562603
the Spanish have been fiddling their covid data for months to fool people into going to spain. We are no longer in the EU, we can take whatever measures we choose to protect the health of our country
arista
28-07-2020, 07:13 AM
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Nicky91
28-07-2020, 07:15 AM
Netherlands government also now declared Spain some cities code orange, rest of country still code yellow
travel to spain is on own risk, and also same like other countries, advised to stay in quarantine for 14 days upon arriving back home, but no need to cancel one's holiday abruptly or anything, just the advice being there to be extra cautious yourself
arista
28-07-2020, 07:24 AM
GMBHD itv
says Cornwall, is now Fully Booked
for Holidays
Cherie
28-07-2020, 07:35 AM
just heard some woman complaining about it and then saying when I go back who is going to check and if I feel well I will carry on with my business, the interviewer didn't even bother to correct her.. ever heard of asymptomatic love? no...these selfish people honestly it makes me very cross
Mystic Mock
28-07-2020, 07:51 AM
just heard some woman complaining about it and then saying when I go back who is going to check and if I feel well I will carry on with my business, the interviewer didn't even bother to correct her.. ever heard of asymptomatic love? no...these selfish people honestly it makes me very cross
If you ever meet her Cherie promise me that you'll give her a punch.:rant:
Seriously though I can't take anymore from these idiots, just don't try to deliberately infect people with a disease it's not that hard to avoid.
Like you Cherie it really annoys me how people can't follow simple instructions.
Cherie
28-07-2020, 08:37 AM
If you ever meet her Cherie promise me that you'll give her a punch.:rant:
Seriously though I can't take anymore from these idiots, just don't try to deliberately infect people with a disease it's not that hard to avoid.
Like you Cherie it really annoys me how people can't follow simple instructions.
Glad its not just me Mock :laugh:, if I see one more headline that people are 'confused' I think I will scream, the media are enabling these idiots as well who use 'confusion' as a reason to do what they like
user104658
28-07-2020, 08:38 AM
Two possibilities at play here really.
1) 2nd wave was always inevitable
2) Spain has been fiddling their figures since late April because the country will collapse without the tourism industry.
I reckon it's probably elements of both to be honest.
Nicky91
28-07-2020, 08:48 AM
2nd wave is inevitable for every country with all honesty
and especially if you got dumb idiots like those anti-maskers
as for if country will collapse, that is where EU comes in with the aid package, EU will not let a disastrous economic crisis happen
user104658
28-07-2020, 09:17 AM
1288035500293529602
Of course the sad reality of Covid-19 is that these huge death figures are MASSIVELY skewed to the elderly population. When all is said and done, the "best hope" with Covid (assuming effective permanent vaccination isn't possible) is that they will manage to create an effective seasonal vaccine for the elderly and medically vulnerable as with seasonal flu.
The emerging data on long lasting T-cell immunity suggests that it would mainly be a "generation zero" problem rather than a persistent problem for humanity. People who get mild or asymptomatic Covid as kids (likely if it ever became fully endemic) would be much less likely to get severely ill with it when catching it again at other stages of life. But the next several decades would be rough on the elderly (and to a lesser degree, on the entire 55+ demographic).
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Niamh.
28-07-2020, 10:26 AM
:laugh2:
Nicky91
28-07-2020, 10:27 AM
Dutch OMT (outbreak management team) was to be expected to have a meeting about face coverings today, but they postponed it again, however they do not rule out that they will become a must to wear in every public place, outside and inside
but that will be decided next week
arista
28-07-2020, 10:50 AM
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Nicky91
28-07-2020, 10:52 AM
yes current number of new cases in Spain
6,361 as of 27th of July
Cherie
28-07-2020, 11:11 AM
yes current number of new cases in Spain
6,361 as of 27th of July
:umm2: yes I don't think the UK got the figures wrong Mr Spanish PM :laugh:
arista
28-07-2020, 11:34 AM
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arista
28-07-2020, 12:09 PM
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arista
28-07-2020, 04:00 PM
Now Hong Kong has banned dinning out.
Infections increasing.
arista
28-07-2020, 04:58 PM
Coronavirus: German officials 'very concerned' by rising cases
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53566880
arista
28-07-2020, 05:08 PM
Today 119 Died
UK Covid-19 Total Deaths : 45,878
Additional data:
Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
581
Number of additional cases on Tuesday 28 July 2020
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
arista
28-07-2020, 05:39 PM
Due to Covid-19
[Selfridges: Staff cuts ‘toughest decision we've ever had to take’
Cutting 450 staff after saying that
the coronavirus outbreak has led
to "the toughest year we have experienced in our recent history".]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53567500
LaLaLand
28-07-2020, 08:39 PM
My town Wrexham is probably going to be in local lockdown any day now. There are 60+ cases of COVID in our hospital with now cases confirmed in three local community hospitals too.
Wrexham's cases alone make up 40% of Wales' current cases. :skull:
Good job my haircut is tomorrow, get in quickly before anything's brought in! :laugh2:
Is it getting to the stage that we've all either had it or got it.
Vanessa
28-07-2020, 08:55 PM
I think I've had it back in march.
I had fever, headache, allucinations and chills D:
I think I've had it back in march.
I had fever, headache, allucinations and chills D:
Not vanessa having an illegal rave.:nono:
Vanessa
28-07-2020, 09:29 PM
Not vanessa having an illegal rave.:nono:
I was at home at the time.
No idea how I cought it
Is it getting to the stage that we've all either had it or got it.
Aren’t they saying only 6% of the population have been infected ??
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arista
28-07-2020, 11:41 PM
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arista
28-07-2020, 11:41 PM
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arista
28-07-2020, 11:43 PM
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arista
28-07-2020, 11:44 PM
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arista
28-07-2020, 11:45 PM
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Nicky91
29-07-2020, 07:25 AM
no must on face coverings in Netherlands
:facepalm: URGH what dumb idiots you got here in our RIVM
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 08:18 AM
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I never look at headlines except on here.
If this paper believes this and the PM Johnson does.
Then why, before REALLY effective testing is in place for all..
Why is he now at the end of this week, ending the shielding advice to the vulnerably sick and elderly.
Who will then lose support they've relied on.
With more people too returning to workplaces, so they'll have less people to assist them.
They'll be possibly heading out more, with more people about.
Yet we have this, and sorry but it is my view, inept and dangerous PM warning of a second wave in the coming weeks.
Have not enough vulnerably sick and elderly already been lost for this Government?
That in light of this warning/expectation of the Man holding the highest elected power in the land..
I find it scandalous and almost criminal, he would now remove the shielding instructions to the most vulnerably sick and elderly.
Well I for one will be ignoring his decision to end the shielding advice and will ensure,in all ways I can, that my Mother and elderly and sick relatives are kept safe as they have been these last months.
I'd rather have them kept still safe than sacrificed, (for want of a better word), as this PM is doing by ending the government's shielding instructions.
Almost forcing them out with more people to be exposed to the greater danger of ending up with this virus.
Scandalous.
If vulnerably sick and elderly wish to take the great risks and go out generally.
Then they have the right to do so..
However the government advice still should be, to shield for longer.
As unfortunate as that is.
Better to shield than risk dying before anyone's time
...the 7 countries worried about a second wave imminently...
U.K.
Spain
France
Belgium
Germany
Greece
Austria
Nicky91
29-07-2020, 08:36 AM
yes and we dumb dutch underestimate this virus terribly :umm2:
but anyway we got some people to blame here if it gets real worse, entire RIVM who has been a big fat flop here, and that OMT (outbreak management team) what management you can better say
they are real cowards if they are afraid the face coverings rule will bring up more protesting/demonstrations
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 08:42 AM
...the 7 countries worried about a second wave imminently...
U.K.
Spain
France
Belgium
Germany
Greece
Austria
Exactly.
What an absolute farce despite this really worrying and life threatening issue.
At a time when firm advice and protection needs to be the only order of the day.
All we get is confusing and at best contradictory advice.
How can any responsible leader of any Country, have the expectation of an unknown as to strength or quantity of a second wave of this pestilence..
Then deliberately remove protection from the most vulnerable of groups..
Those with severe health issues and the elderly.
What kind of leader is that? !!!!
...so much unknown about the virus, Nicky...I think it’s been underestimated by everyone/by all countries...there is no point in deflecting by blame now, that will come later, I’m sure...
arista
29-07-2020, 08:45 AM
[I'd rather have them kept still safe than sacrificed, (for want of a better word), as this PM is doing by ending the government's shielding instructions.
Almost forcing them out with more people to be exposed to the greater danger of ending up with this virus.]
But Johnson PM can bring them back
tell them to stay home, again
Nicky91
29-07-2020, 08:47 AM
...so much unknown about the virus, Nicky...I think it’s been underestimated by everyone/by all countries...there is no point in deflecting by blame now, that will come later, I’m sure...
wearing masks is just good, to have that extra bit of safety
it should be a must, any of those anti-maskers, i'd say lock them up at home they are only a risk into the society, potentially infecting people
user104658
29-07-2020, 08:49 AM
Gee it's almost as though they shouldn't have opened the bars and pubs. Who would have thought.
arista
29-07-2020, 08:52 AM
Gee it's almost as though they shouldn't have opened the bars and pubs. Who would have thought.
It's all a Gamble
The industry you know alot about
Nicky91
29-07-2020, 08:53 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/07/real-dutch-covid-19-death-toll-likely-to-be-above-10000-says-cbs/
real dutch covid-19 death toll likely to be above 10,000 says CBS
yup RIVM, OMT no reason for panic here :facepalm:
user104658
29-07-2020, 08:59 AM
It's all a Gamble
The industry you know alot about
Hmm. With there still being 150 - 200 deaths per day when bars and pubs were re-opened, and us knowing within 48h of opening that people don't social distance or take precautions in that environment, it wasn't much of a gamble.
I'd have given you 100/1 on there NOT being a surge in cases.
I don't see why we should be that worried about a second wave atm - our deaths continue to decline as do our hospital admissions and cases might be plateuing a bit atm but it's at quite low levels which are pretty manageable and we're below the European average now for daily new cases
I would actually say our reopening is going very well
Cherie
29-07-2020, 09:19 AM
The Spanish reaction to quarantine has been nothing short of hysterical, countries have to make their own decisions, wading in and saying it is safer to be in Spain is simply not true, given most people would have to sit in an enclosed aircraft for hours to get there and back
I don't see why we should be that worried about a second wave atm - our deaths continue to decline as do our hospital admissions and cases might be plateuing a bit atm but it's at quite low levels which are pretty manageable and we're below the European average now for daily new cases
I would actually say our reopening is going very well
Maybe concerns in the NW ...
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joeysteele
29-07-2020, 10:13 AM
[I'd rather have them kept still safe than sacrificed, (for want of a better word), as this PM is doing by ending the government's shielding instructions.
Almost forcing them out with more people to be exposed to the greater danger of ending up with this virus.]
But Johnson PM can bring them back
tell them to stay home, again
Why doesn't he just not take any risks with their lives then and leave all the advice and help in place still now.
Not play games with people's lives.
Rather than put them at risk for a few weeks and possibly lose many more of their lives?
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 10:20 AM
I don't see why we should be that worried about a second wave atm - our deaths continue to decline as do our hospital admissions and cases might be plateuing a bit atm but it's at quite low levels which are pretty manageable and we're below the European average now for daily new cases
I would actually say our reopening is going very well
This deaths thing is not all you end up with.
People are left with kidney damage,liver damage, permanent lung damage and even brain damage
People who are already vulnerably ill or elderly have always been identified as most at risk.
Lovely to think because we are ' ONLY' (I think not) losing hundreds still every week.
It doesn't matter the long term catastrophic health damage people can have after this virus too.
It does to me, and I'm not happy that any of my family are being put at risk of even getting it, never mind dying from it.
Hundreds are still dying every week before their time because of this.
Despite less in hospital and all else.
Still hundreds.
Thousands too of family, friends and neighbours left devastated at their loss too.
I've lost 4, I'm not happy to rejoice in people losing hundreds of others still weekly.
I certainly don't want to risk losing more people from my life to this hateful dangerous virus.
Maybe concerns in the NW ...
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True but at least we have the data and the tools available now to identify local spikes and take action
I keep saying it, but the only thing that will affect the progress of the virus is if we either get a vaccine or effective treatment. Without either of those, people will continue to die. The only thing we can change at the moment is the rate of infection not the ultimate survival. So that means that the death rate and infection rate will even out across the world over time. That's the simple truth
user104658
29-07-2020, 11:15 AM
I keep saying it, but the only thing that will affect the progress of the virus is if we either get a vaccine or effective treatment. Without either of those, people will continue to die. The only thing we can change at the moment is the rate of infection not the ultimate survival. So that means that the death rate and infection rate will even out across the world over time. That's the simple truth
I agree and I also agree on some element of normality returning being essential - such as schools or at least socializing for children (child mental health services are seeing suicide attempts in kids as young as SIX at a massively increased rate... it's a complete disaster).
So no I don't think we can afford to go back to full lockdown. So that leaves the things that, in a sensible adult world, should be less of a problem.
Pubs and bars, do not need to be open.
Bookies do not need to be open.
Sit-in restaurants do not need to be open.
Holibobs in the sun do not need to be happening ffs.
Larger gatherings definitely should not recommence.
...non-essential adult leisure activities of all kinds can simply wait. Economy wise - yes - the government needs to support these industries to try to stop them from collapsing, but they just don't need to be open to the public yet.
Utter madness. "Oh well we'll just have to push it close to the line, because I need my trip to the pub... maybe we can close schools instead? Who cares if children are suffering unprecedented mental health problems, I need a nice cold pint and a jaunt to Faliraki."
Cherie
29-07-2020, 11:18 AM
Why doesn't he just not take any risks with their lives then and leave all the advice and help in place still now.
Not play games with people's lives.
Rather than put them at risk for a few weeks and possibly lose many more of their lives?
There was a significant number of shielding wanting some guidance as to when they could resume normal business, its not a one size fits all, people have to look at their own situation as people have been shielding for different reasons and risk assess themselves
Cherie
29-07-2020, 11:18 AM
Why doesn't he just not take any risks with their lives then and leave all the advice and help in place still now.
Not play games with people's lives.
Rather than put them at risk for a few weeks and possibly lose many more of their lives?
There was a significant number of shielding wanting some guidance as to when they could resume normal business, its not a one size fits all, people have to look at their own situation as people have been shielding for different reasons and risk assess themselves
I agree and I also agree on some element of normality returning being essential - such as schools or at least socializing for children (child mental health services are seeing suicide attempts in kids as young as SIX at a massively increased rate... it's a complete disaster).
So no I don't think we can afford to go back to full lockdown. So that leaves the things that, in a sensible adult world, should be less of a problem.
Pubs and bars, do not need to be open.
Bookies do not need to be open.
Sit-in restaurants do not need to be open.
Holibobs in the sun do not need to be happening ffs.
Larger gatherings definitely should not recommence.
...non-essential adult leisure activities of all kinds can simply wait. Economy wise - yes - the government needs to support these industries to try to stop them from collapsing, but they just don't need to be open to the public yet.
Utter madness. "Oh well we'll just have to push it close to the line, because I need my trip to the pub... maybe we can close schools instead? Who cares if children are suffering unprecedented mental health problems, I need a nice cold pint and a jaunt to Faliraki."
there is also next to no evidence that asymptomatic people can transmit the virus. Certainly only in extreme cases. As kids appear to be asymptomatic in the overwhelming number of cases, there is no danger in them going to school. People have been promoting panic and doom and gloom with no justification
Nicky91
29-07-2020, 11:24 AM
there is also next to no evidence that asymptomatic people can transmit the virus. Certainly only in extreme cases. As kids appear to be asymptomatic in the overwhelming number of cases, there is no danger in them going to school. People have been promoting panic and doom and gloom with no justification
children can transmit the virus onto those who the virus is deadly to though
True but at least we have the data and the tools available now to identify local spikes and take action
We have ??
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children can transmit the virus onto those who the virus is deadly to though
Yeah that’s just dandy for us working in schools
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user104658
29-07-2020, 11:42 AM
there is also next to no evidence that asymptomatic people can transmit the virus. Certainly only in extreme cases. As kids appear to be asymptomatic in the overwhelming number of cases, there is no danger in them going to school. People have been promoting panic and doom and gloom with no justification
In theory it's not impossible, it's just that from everything we know it only transmits through droplets expelled through coughing and sneezing so (in theory) it's still possible from a cough or sneeze from an asymptomatic person, it's just that they wouldn't regularly be coughing or sneezing. But I guess if an asymptomatic kid had allergies or got a face full of chalk dust or something, they might sneeze for that reason, or have a coughing fit from a bit of juice going down the wrong way, or whatever... I think it's technically POSSIBLE to transmit it then. It should be pretty easy to mitigate with precautions, though.
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 11:44 AM
There was a significant number of shielding wanting some guidance as to when they could resume normal business, its not a one size fits all, people have to look at their own situation as people have been shielding for different reasons and risk assess themselves
What is that significant number?
I said, if you read it correctly, if those instructed to shield, wanted to take the risks then so be it.
I stated the government instruction to shield should stay in place.
For frankly, whatever your significant number may be, all in my own family and most elderly or sick, are very worried and confused.
There'll always be numbers not conforming to instructions, that doesn't mean the instructions are wrong.
I stated, the instruction to shield should stay in place.
Especially moreso now, since even this PM says he thinks a second wave is likely in 2 weeks.
Sorry I can't agree that one size fits all.
If you have vulnerably sick and elderly who are more likely to lose their lives if they get this.
All instructions should be to only protect them.
Yes, there'll be some who'll ignore that shielding instruction.
They and others too who haven't lost anyone to this, in the awful way it takes lives, again still hundreds a week.
Then not been able to even attend their funerals.
They may well think entirely differently if they do.
Especially from those in the Country who think hundreds of deaths a week are good news.
Unbelievable.
Cherie
29-07-2020, 11:45 AM
I agree and I also agree on some element of normality returning being essential - such as schools or at least socializing for children (child mental health services are seeing suicide attempts in kids as young as SIX at a massively increased rate... it's a complete disaster).
So no I don't think we can afford to go back to full lockdown. So that leaves the things that, in a sensible adult world, should be less of a problem.
Pubs and bars, do not need to be open.
Bookies do not need to be open.
Sit-in restaurants do not need to be open.
Holibobs in the sun do not need to be happening ffs.
Larger gatherings definitely should not recommence.
...non-essential adult leisure activities of all kinds can simply wait. Economy wise - yes - the government needs to support these industries to try to stop them from collapsing, but they just don't need to be open to the public yet.
Utter madness. "Oh well we'll just have to push it close to the line, because I need my trip to the pub... maybe we can close schools instead? Who cares if children are suffering unprecedented mental health problems, I need a nice cold pint and a jaunt to Faliraki."
I disagree with this, people had nothing to do for 3 months, it was becoming increasingly clear with the number of illegal raves/street parties that something had to give, I would rather they were opened in a measured way as they are now, not that I have been but it seems from what I have heard that social distancing is very much the norm and any issues that were evident in the first weekend opened were ironed out
I do agree with you about holidays, but then apparently there were very cheap deals that people took advantage of straight off
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 11:47 AM
We have ??
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If we have, I can't say I've noticed that.
user104658
29-07-2020, 11:47 AM
children can transmit the virus onto those who the virus is deadly to though
It's becoming a real balancing act though because of how badly isolation is starting to affect kids. Literally NEVER in history have we had children, en masse, being isolated from their peers like they have been in lockdown... it's essentially a social experiment on a grand scale and now that we're far enough into it to be able to see the effects, we can be pretty sure about what they are. Absolutely devastating to children's mental wellbeing. Is the mental health of an entire generation worth the risks? I would personally say so, yes. More than. We have already basically promised my daughter that if full lockdown was to happen again, she would still be able to play outdoors with her local friends, regardless of recommendations (and assuming their parents were ok with it). Controversial maybe but I'm not willing to risk the effects that the prospect of another 4+ months without physical contact with friends would have on her.
We have a tendency to think of kids as mini-adults and that if we can do it they can too... but they're not. 4 months, developmentally, is a huge span of time for a child. Honestly I don't think we have any idea at all what the long term effects of this are.
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 11:48 AM
children can transmit the virus onto those who the virus is deadly to though
Of course they can.
It's never been assured they cannot.
It's becoming a real balancing act though because of how badly isolation is starting to affect kids. Literally NEVER in history have we had children, en masse, being isolated from their peers like they have been in lockdown... it's essentially a social experiment on a grand scale and now that we're far enough into it to be able to see the effects, we can be pretty sure about what they are. Absolutely devastating to children's mental wellbeing. Is the mental health of an entire generation worth the risks? I would personally say so, yes. More than. We have already basically promised my daughter that if full lockdown was to happen again, she would still be able to play outdoors with her local friends, regardless of recommendations (and assuming their parents were ok with it). Controversial maybe but I'm not willing to risk the effects that the prospect of another 4+ months without physical contact with friends would have on her.
We have a tendency to think of kids as mini-adults and that if we can do it they can too... but they're not. 4 months, developmentally, is a huge span of time for a child. Honestly I don't think we have any idea at all what the long term effects of this are.
...it’s not just children being isolated from their peers, though...that’s just one of the layers...another is the fear that children are feeling en masse of the death of a family member...of parents/grandparents/brothers/sisters etc...in all of the time I’ve worked with children, which is a long time....I’ve never known mental health to be so low ...and on occasions I’ve known..?...to have self harming thoughts and actions...:sad:...just awful...
Cherie
29-07-2020, 11:55 AM
What is that significant number?
I said, if you read it correctly, if those instructed to shield, wanted to take the risks then so be it.
I stated the government instruction to shield should stay in place.
For frankly, whatever your significant number may be, all in my own family and most elderly or sick, are very worried and confused.
There'll always be numbers not conforming to instructions, that doesn't mean the instructions are wrong.
I stated, the instruction to shield should stay in place.
Especially moreso now, since even this PM says he thinks a second wave is likely in 2 weeks.
Sorry I can't agree that one size fits all.
If you have vulnerably sick and elderly who are more likely to lose their lives if they get this.
All instructions should be to only protect them.
Yes, there'll be some who'll ignore that shielding instruction.
They and others too who haven't lost anyone to this, in the awful way it takes lives, again still hundreds a week.
Then not been able to even attend their funerals.
They may well think entirely differently if they do.
Especially from those in the Country who think hundreds of deaths a week are good news.
Unbelievable.
They were asked to shield for 12 weeks then a further 4, then there was some leeway with going outside, it obviously sucks but they could be shielding forever if a vaccine isn't found, they have to find a way to resume some kind of normal life and at many of the briefings there were questions at to how they could do this as some of those shielding felt they were forgotton, everyone has a different story, and no its not one size fits all, if you live in a fairly remote area the need for you to shield is completely different to those living in a City
I disagree with this, people had nothing to do for 3 months, it was becoming increasingly clear with the number of illegal raves/street parties that something had to give, I would rather they were opened in a measured way as they are now, not that I have been but it seems from what I have heard that social distancing is very much the norm and any issues that were evident in the first weekend opened were ironed out
I do agree with you about holidays, but then apparently there were very cheap deals that people took advantage of straight off
Agreed and if we want to keep any of these sectors alive and the millions of jobs that they maintain then yes they do need to reopen
I'm sure that the vast majority of people who've visited a pub or restaurant has been pretty impressed with the measures in place and felt safe. People don't leave the unit they go to the premises with, there's no standing around and mingling, everything is being constantly sanisted, everyone's visit is on record and the numbers are strictly limited
user104658
29-07-2020, 12:06 PM
...it’s not just children being isolated from their peers, though...that’s just one of the layers...another is the fear that children are feeling en masse of the death of a family member...of parents/grandparents/brothers/sisters etc...in all of the time I’ve worked with children, which is a long time....I’ve never known mental health to be so low ...and on occasions I’ve known..?...to have self harming thoughts and actions...:sad:...just awful...
I can see that leading to a lot of kids being down for a while, but in terms of what we "know"... kids losing grandparents and other adult family members isn't abnormal. Losing older family members - whilst obviously sad and having a grief process - is a normal part of life and growing up and always has been. Of course, the way children gain resilience and deal with these things best is with positivity, normality, and just being able to escape from it in play with their peers and that's all been totally absent. Like... your gran who you loved has just died but at least you can go to the park? You can go to your friend's house? You can go play football with your pals and forget about it for a while? Even school is a distraction and some normality but no... all of those things have been gone... so you have adults grieving for their own parents, and kids just stuck there with nothing to do but take in all of that pain. Really awful and something that like I said, has never happened before in human history. We're social animals, we need that connection... adults can intellectualise it a bit better and can cope for far longer without it, but I just don't think kids can. We've known since the dawn of developmental psychology that peer connections and play are essential parts of normal human development and taking that away from them all for a prolonged period of time... we just have no idea what it'll do.
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 12:10 PM
They were asked to shield for 12 weeks then a further 4, then there was some leeway with going outside, it obviously sucks but they could be shielding forever if a vaccine isn't found, they have to find a way to resume some kind of normal life and at many of the briefings there were questions at to how they could do this as some of those shielding felt they were forgotton, everyone has a different story, and no its not one size fits all, if you live in a fairly remote area the need for you to shield is completely different to those living in a City
Well I'll ask again.
How many of those shielding wanted an end to the shielding.
Especially I add as to others entering their ' safe ' home areas and as to the help and aid put in place to help those shielding.
To those actually in rural areas too.
Now the government is stopping the shielding, that instruction of the home being safest and that aid is halted.
I actually think you'd find, more shielding would prefer that staying in place.
I'd dare bet on it.
Unless you can fire me those significant and many numbers you mention not quantified.
That would show a majority against remaining protectively shielded.
I believe, it wouldn't be a majority.
I just believe, as you overlook it, with the PM saying he is expecting a likely second wave in 2 weeks.
Then it makes no sense to remove the shielding in place, 2 weeks before it.
As you state, it was for 12 weeks to the 16th June..
It was then extended a further 2 weeks to 1st August.
So it has been extended once..
Why not again, especially in light of a possible second wave coming soon after ending said shielding.
I'd rather see shielding for longer than more sick and elderly ending up dead now.
With all the devastating pain that then too brings to their loved ones mourning their loss.
I can see that leading to a lot of kids being down for a while, but in terms of what we "know"... kids losing grandparents and other adult family members isn't abnormal. Losing older family members - whilst obviously sad and having a grief process - is a normal part of life and growing up and always has been. Of course, the way children gain resilience and deal with these things best is with positivity, normality, and just being able to escape from it in play with their peers and that's all been totally absent. Like... your gran who you loved has just died but at least you can go to the park? You can go to your friend's house? You can go play football with your pals and forget about it for a while? Even school is a distraction and some normality but no... all of those things have been gone... so you have adults grieving for their own parents, and kids just stuck there with nothing to do but take in all of that pain. Really awful and something that like I said, has never happened before in human history. We're social animals, we need that connection... adults can intellectualise it a bit better and can cope for far longer without it, but I just don't think kids can. We've known since the dawn of developmental psychology that peer connections and play are essential parts of normal human development and taking that away from them all for a prolonged period of time... we just have no idea what it'll do.
...of course, losing a grandparent is part of a young life...but the fear of losing a grandparent, while not having been able to visit/ see them is not a part of life that so many have had to experience en masse...again, another layer, of which there are many ...and because of media/social media etc...there are also children who feel personal responsibility if a family member/loved one have become ill...so many layers which have contributed to such low mental health, TS...and obviously, their fears haven’t just been for the more elderly loved ones...fears for parents and siblings in a way that hasn’t been experienced before...plus fears for peers/friends...
arista
29-07-2020, 12:41 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/29/09/31283678-8571477-The_most_up_to_date_figures_show_the_number_of_new _cases_is_rock-a-51_1596010226438.jpg
arista
29-07-2020, 01:38 PM
From Moscow
CNN Business reports their Russian Covid-19 Vaccine
is getting ready for their nation release.
But no data published,
they tested it, with younger staff members
in the Moscow lab.
Then used the Russian Army
to get a bigger test zone.
Cherie
29-07-2020, 02:46 PM
Well I'll ask again.
How many of those shielding wanted an end to the shielding.
Especially I add as to others entering their ' safe ' home areas and as to the help and aid put in place to help those shielding.
To those actually in rural areas too.
Now the government is stopping the shielding, that instruction of the home being safest and that aid is halted.
I actually think you'd find, more shielding would prefer that staying in place.
I'd dare bet on it.
Unless you can fire me those significant and many numbers you mention not quantified.
That would show a majority against remaining protectively shielded.
I believe, it wouldn't be a majority.
I just believe, as you overlook it, with the PM saying he is expecting a likely second wave in 2 weeks.
Then it makes no sense to remove the shielding in place, 2 weeks before it.
As you state, it was for 12 weeks to the 16th June..
It was then extended a further 2 weeks to 1st August.
So it has been extended once..
Why not again, especially in light of a possible second wave coming soon after ending said shielding.
I'd rather see shielding for longer than more sick and elderly ending up dead now.
With all the devastating pain that then too brings to their loved ones mourning their loss.
This is the scottish guidance which doesnt differ significantly from the English one
The original advice was to shield for at least 12 weeks, which comes to an end on 18 June. The levels of infection in the community are now significantly lower than they were in March, but the evidence suggests that it is advisable that people with the highest clinical risk should continue to shield. Having set out to save lives it does not feel right to prematurely end shielding until we are confident the evidence supports it.
However, we are very aware that shielding is difficult and it is not sustainable in the long term. The longer people are advised to shield, the greater impact it will have on their physical and mental health, on their relationships with their families and loved ones and on their quality of life. We are monitoring these impacts and constantly weighing up these harms against the benefits of shielding.
Moving to a new approach for shielding
We are learning about the virus all the time, and in particular about the factors that increase or reduce the risk to particular people. Because different things matter to different people, we need to move towards the idea of enabling those who are shielding to make choices about how to do it. In the course of the summer, once the evidence base has been developed, we will:
Provide people with updated clinical evidence about their conditions and what that means for their risk from Covid,
Help those shielding understand the changing levels of infection in the community and how to reduce the chance of catching the virus
Provide that information in a way that is accessible, understandable and helpful,
Give people who are shielding access to support that can help them make informed choices about their lives,
Support people shielding to put their choices into practice.
These choices have a tremendous impact on the lives of people shielding and also on the lives of their loved ones. That's why it's important that we do everything we can to make sure they have the chance to consider what matters to them.
We will continue to advise people shielding in an honest and open way, and we promise that advice will always be based on the best evidence we have.
This approach is dependent on us understanding as much as possible about the chances of people shielding catching the virus and the risk to them if they do. The evidence to support this is growing but we need to be sure it is robust enough before we start using it to change our approach. There is coordinated work being carried out across the four nations to gather this evidence and we hope that we will start to see the benefits of that over the course of
the summer.
Extension to shielding
We are advising people to continue to shield until at least 31st July. That is because, although infection rates are much lower than they were at the start of lockdown, we are not yet confident that it is safe enough to change our advice.
During this time we will continually review this advice and monitor Covid infection levels to make sure it remains the correct decision. We will continue to balance this against the harms caused by shielding. People who are shielding will continue to receive the support they have been getting, whether that be free weekly food boxes, access to priority supermarket delivery slots, pharmacy deliveries, or other support through Local Authorities.
However, we understand that it is not fair to continue to ask people to stay at home all the times, especially as restrictions are eased for everyone else. This is why we will be looking
for ways to gradually ease the guidance for shielding people if clinicians and scientists advise it is safe.
Outdoor Exercise
We will start by making a change to the advice on going outdoors for exercise.
We anticipate that people shielding will be able to take exercise outdoors from 18 June.
However, we will confirm this on 18 June based on the evidence. This also will not apply to people living in nursing or residential care homes – we are not yet confident this
is safe.
If you have been advised to shield and wish to go outside for exercise after 18 June, you should take the following precautions:
Go outdoors for a walk, wheel, run or cycle. We do not recommend that you take part in outdoor activities such as golf, hiking, canoeing, outdoor swimming, angling, etc. in the same way as the rest of the population can just now. You:
Can go out on your own or with someone you live with
Should maintain strict physical distancing, also known as social distancing, at all times, even if you live with the person you're out with. This means keeping 2 metres (or three steps) away from other people at all times
Should not meet with anyone you do not live with
Should choose times and areas that are quiet, if you can
Should wash your hands for at least 20 seconds as soon as you get back home
Future Changes to Advice
We do not intend to advise you to shield completely for any longer than necessary without further changes. We will set out updated guidance for you by 31 July at the latest. However, between now and then – and in addition to the changes we are signalling now on outdoor exercise – we will make further changes if it is safe to do so.
We want to gradually provide advice on how you can increase your freedoms, as we have done for those who are not shielding. We are continually monitoring the virus and as soon as we think it is safe for you to do something, we will update our advice. And as soon as we can provide you with information that will allow you to understand your own risk and make decisions about what is right for you, we will do so.
As we progress through the route map there will increasingly be need that the wider public recognises their role in keeping those shielding safe, in particular in supporting people shielding to regain some normality in their life, just as the wider public have been able to.
The bit in bold sums it up for me, people have to start living...shielding is not a choice most peoole would choole as a long term solution
user104658
29-07-2020, 02:58 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/29/09/31283678-8571477-The_most_up_to_date_figures_show_the_number_of_new _cases_is_rock-a-51_1596010226438.jpgI don't know how accurate this simple graphic is but if it is at all accurate, Spain have been badly messing up their numbers (either deliberately or otherwise). It didn't jump from near enough 0 to 6000 in a day, that's obviously just nonsense, there simply MUST have been a more gradual increase that was either missed, ignored or hidden.
arista
29-07-2020, 03:05 PM
I don't know how accurate this simple graphic is but if it is at all accurate, Spain have been badly messing up their numbers (either deliberately or otherwise). It didn't jump from near enough 0 to 6000 in a day, that's obviously just nonsense, there simply MUST have been a more gradual increase that was either missed, ignored or hidden.
I think it is accurate
but only goes up to the 27th.
And the Spanish Leader is Angry
as it's only the top part of Spain.
Like the UK's Oldham or Leicester.
Cherie
29-07-2020, 03:09 PM
I think it is accurate
but only goes up to the 27th.
And the Spanish Leader is Angry
as it's only the top part of Spain.
Like the UK's Oldham or Leicester.
Who cares, the UK is on many red lists due to those areas
AnnieK
29-07-2020, 03:14 PM
I can see that leading to a lot of kids being down for a while, but in terms of what we "know"... kids losing grandparents and other adult family members isn't abnormal. Losing older family members - whilst obviously sad and having a grief process - is a normal part of life and growing up and always has been. Of course, the way children gain resilience and deal with these things best is with positivity, normality, and just being able to escape from it in play with their peers and that's all been totally absent. Like... your gran who you loved has just died but at least you can go to the park? You can go to your friend's house? You can go play football with your pals and forget about it for a while? Even school is a distraction and some normality but no... all of those things have been gone... so you have adults grieving for their own parents, and kids just stuck there with nothing to do but take in all of that pain. Really awful and something that like I said, has never happened before in human history. We're social animals, we need that connection... adults can intellectualise it a bit better and can cope for far longer without it, but I just don't think kids can. We've known since the dawn of developmental psychology that peer connections and play are essential parts of normal human development and taking that away from them all for a prolonged period of time... we just have no idea what it'll do.
My 9 year has just emerged from a massive anxious episode. I think a point you made earlier where you said about treating them as mini adults was the cause. He was privy to the news and adult conversations and so saw healthy younger people dying and obviously stewed on it for a while and that manifested into the possibility of me contracting covid and dying.
He has had losses before, we lost my mum, grandad and nan quite close together and he sailed through that, mainly as you said with distractions but this has wobbled him massively.
He is doing better now since his athletics and football training have started again (non contact and socially distanced) but he is a mixer and not being able to see his pals to the extent he is used to has rocked him.
So sad to see a confident, outgoing kid who rarely needed much entertaining become an anxious, tearful kid scared to go to bed in case I died.
So much damage is being done to these little people,its scarey
user104658
29-07-2020, 03:20 PM
My 9 year has just emerged from a massive anxious episode. I think a point you made earlier where you said about treating them as mini adults was the cause. He was privy to the news and adult conversations and so saw healthy younger people dying and obviously stewed on it for a while and that manifested into the possibility of me contracting covid and dying.
He has had losses before, we lost my mum, grandad and nan quite close together and he sailed through that, mainly as you said with distractions but this has wobbled him massively.
He is doing better now since his athletics and football training have started again (non contact and socially distanced) but he is a mixer and not being able to see his pals to the extent he is used to has rocked him.
So sad to see a confident, outgoing kid who rarely needed much entertaining become an anxious, tearful kid scared to go to bed in case I died.
So much damage is being done to these little people,its scareyMy eldest is the same Annie, she's a massive extrovert (no idea where it comes from, neither me nor her mum are!), very sociable and and loves being around people. She normally does stage school and things like that. Young TS would have never! :joker:.
I think we missed something really bad by the skin of our teeth - she was starting to seem really depressed, sending some borderline concerning messages to her class group, tearful a lot for no reason and just really flat. Luckily within a couple of weeks of that starting, they announced that kids could play outside in groups and all the neighbourhood kids emerged to socialise outdoors (more than they used to, if anything) and the change in her mood was instant.
we know well, that areas of high infection spread very quickly to other areas, so it makes sense to red flag the country. New York is under control now, but that hasn't enabled free flights in and out of there because America as a whole has serious problems. Plenty countries have blocked the USA ... including Spain :laugh:
arista
29-07-2020, 04:17 PM
Heathrow Boss wants passengers to pay
for a Test when the return?
But the Government does not agree with his plan.
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 04:26 PM
This is the scottish guidance which doesnt differ significantly from the English one
The original advice was to shield for at least 12 weeks, which comes to an end on 18 June. The levels of infection in the community are now significantly lower than they were in March, but the evidence suggests that it is advisable that people with the highest clinical risk should continue to shield. Having set out to save lives it does not feel right to prematurely end shielding until we are confident the evidence supports it.
However, we are very aware that shielding is difficult and it is not sustainable in the long term. The longer people are advised to shield, the greater impact it will have on their physical and mental health, on their relationships with their families and loved ones and on their quality of life. We are monitoring these impacts and constantly weighing up these harms against the benefits of shielding.
Moving to a new approach for shielding
We are learning about the virus all the time, and in particular about the factors that increase or reduce the risk to particular people. Because different things matter to different people, we need to move towards the idea of enabling those who are shielding to make choices about how to do it. In the course of the summer, once the evidence base has been developed, we will:
Provide people with updated clinical evidence about their conditions and what that means for their risk from Covid,
Help those shielding understand the changing levels of infection in the community and how to reduce the chance of catching the virus
Provide that information in a way that is accessible, understandable and helpful,
Give people who are shielding access to support that can help them make informed choices about their lives,
Support people shielding to put their choices into practice.
These choices have a tremendous impact on the lives of people shielding and also on the lives of their loved ones. That's why it's important that we do everything we can to make sure they have the chance to consider what matters to them.
We will continue to advise people shielding in an honest and open way, and we promise that advice will always be based on the best evidence we have.
This approach is dependent on us understanding as much as possible about the chances of people shielding catching the virus and the risk to them if they do. The evidence to support this is growing but we need to be sure it is robust enough before we start using it to change our approach. There is coordinated work being carried out across the four nations to gather this evidence and we hope that we will start to see the benefits of that over the course of
the summer.
Extension to shielding
We are advising people to continue to shield until at least 31st July. That is because, although infection rates are much lower than they were at the start of lockdown, we are not yet confident that it is safe enough to change our advice.
During this time we will continually review this advice and monitor Covid infection levels to make sure it remains the correct decision. We will continue to balance this against the harms caused by shielding. People who are shielding will continue to receive the support they have been getting, whether that be free weekly food boxes, access to priority supermarket delivery slots, pharmacy deliveries, or other support through Local Authorities.
However, we understand that it is not fair to continue to ask people to stay at home all the times, especially as restrictions are eased for everyone else. This is why we will be looking
for ways to gradually ease the guidance for shielding people if clinicians and scientists advise it is safe.
Outdoor Exercise
We will start by making a change to the advice on going outdoors for exercise.
We anticipate that people shielding will be able to take exercise outdoors from 18 June.
However, we will confirm this on 18 June based on the evidence. This also will not apply to people living in nursing or residential care homes – we are not yet confident this
is safe.
If you have been advised to shield and wish to go outside for exercise after 18 June, you should take the following precautions:
Go outdoors for a walk, wheel, run or cycle. We do not recommend that you take part in outdoor activities such as golf, hiking, canoeing, outdoor swimming, angling, etc. in the same way as the rest of the population can just now. You:
Can go out on your own or with someone you live with
Should maintain strict physical distancing, also known as social distancing, at all times, even if you live with the person you're out with. This means keeping 2 metres (or three steps) away from other people at all times
Should not meet with anyone you do not live with
Should choose times and areas that are quiet, if you can
Should wash your hands for at least 20 seconds as soon as you get back home
Future Changes to Advice
We do not intend to advise you to shield completely for any longer than necessary without further changes. We will set out updated guidance for you by 31 July at the latest. However, between now and then – and in addition to the changes we are signalling now on outdoor exercise – we will make further changes if it is safe to do so.
We want to gradually provide advice on how you can increase your freedoms, as we have done for those who are not shielding. We are continually monitoring the virus and as soon as we think it is safe for you to do something, we will update our advice. And as soon as we can provide you with information that will allow you to understand your own risk and make decisions about what is right for you, we will do so.
As we progress through the route map there will increasingly be need that the wider public recognises their role in keeping those shielding safe, in particular in supporting people shielding to regain some normality in their life, just as the wider public have been able to.
The bit in bold sums it up for me, people have to start living...shielding is not a choice most peoole would choole as a long term solution
It will be no surprise I disagree.
Get out to live again and get this virus to lose your life because you're in the most vulnerable groupings.
Even when the Prime Minister is warning of a second wave in ,2 weeks.
I don't see any figures in there of those demanding an end to shielding that currently are.
As to if it's significant enough to warrant a majority.
However I'm clearly not going to get any number it seems.
So I'll take the line, prevention and protection is better than cure, especially when there's no cure for this anyway.
I'll hold to the view for all shielding in my family and any other sick or elderly who asked me, I'd suggest not to throw caution to the wind.
Not at this moment in time.
No point and no need to be risking more sick and elderly lives to be added to the hundreds still dying every week.
arista
29-07-2020, 04:33 PM
Today 83 deaths
UK Covid-19 Death Total : 45,961
Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
763
Number of additional cases on Wednesday 29 July 2020]
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Nicky91
29-07-2020, 04:46 PM
today press conference again here in Netherlands, with PM Rutte, and health minister De Jonge
more because of latest new cases increase, people need to be informed again
smudgie
29-07-2020, 05:00 PM
Big steps tomorrow.
One of my best friends is coming to visit.
We are both shielding, so much fun on the cards. Not seen each other since February.
No coughing, sneezing or masks.
Hand sanitiser at the ready and no hugging allowed, but well worth it.
We have decided to have family and close friends visit, taking sensible precautions, another big outbreak and we will be back in isolation for heaven knows how long, make hay while the sun shines.
Cherie
29-07-2020, 05:07 PM
Heathrow Boss wants passengers to pay
for a Test when the return?
But the Government does not agree with his plan.
No because people can test negative and then be positive a few days later
Cherie
29-07-2020, 05:09 PM
It will be no surprise I disagree.
Get out to live again and get this virus to lose your life because you're in the most vulnerable groupings.
Even when the Prime Minister is warning of a second wave in ,2 weeks.
I don't see any figures in there of those demanding an end to shielding that currently are.
As to if it's significant enough to warrant a majority.
However I'm clearly not going to get any number it seems.
So I'll take the line, prevention and protection is better than cure, especially when there's no cure for this anyway.
I'll hold to the view for all shielding in my family and any other sick or elderly who asked me, I'd suggest not to throw caution to the wind.
Not at this moment in time.
No point and no need to be risking more sick and elderly lives to be added to the hundreds still dying every week.
I haven't got any numbers, any more than you have Joey? do you have numbers for those that want to stay at home until a vaccine is found?
Yes you must do what is best for your family of course, but what is best for yours might not be best from someone living alone
was the PM not talking about Europe?
oris Johnson fears a second wave of coronavirus could start within a fortnight.
A senior government source told the Mail the Prime Minister was 'extremely concerned' by outbreaks 'bubbling up', both at home and abroad.
Although the number of UK cases is relatively low, rises were recorded each day last week for the first time since the April peak.
The seven-day average stands at almost 700 – 28 per cent up on three weeks ago.
Ministers have been warning of a potential second wave of the pandemic this winter but now fear it could come sooner.
On a visit to Nottingham yesterday, Mr Johnson said Britons must not drop their guard.
He added: 'The most important thing is for everybody in all communities to heed the advice, to follow the advice, not to be spreading it accidentally and get it right down and we'll be able to ease the restrictions across the country.
'But clearly we now face, I'm afraid, the threat of a second wave in other parts of Europe and we just have to be vigilant.'
Cherie
29-07-2020, 05:11 PM
Big steps tomorrow.
One of my best friends is coming to visit.
We are both shielding, so much fun on the cards. Not seen each other since February.
No coughing, sneezing or masks.
Hand sanitiser at the ready and no hugging allowed, but well worth it.
We have decided to have family and close friends visit, taking sensible precautions, another big outbreak and we will be back in isolation for heaven knows how long, make hay while the sun shines.
Enjoy Smudge, as you say take your precautions stay apart and sanitise anything she touches after she leaves
Big steps tomorrow.
One of my best friends is coming to visit.
We are both shielding, so much fun on the cards. Not seen each other since February.
No coughing, sneezing or masks.
Hand sanitiser at the ready and no hugging allowed, but well worth it.
We have decided to have family and close friends visit, taking sensible precautions, another big outbreak and we will be back in isolation for heaven knows how long, make hay while the sun shines.
enjoy Smudgie! :dance:
i am happy that Boris appears to be on the ball with this, I support being cautious where necessary. Boris may have alternative motives, who knows, sometimes people do the right things for the wrong reasons
Cherie
29-07-2020, 05:25 PM
i am happy that Boris appears to be on the ball with this, I support being cautious where necessary. Boris may have alternative motives, who knows, sometimes people do the right things for the wrong reasons
They are looking at Germany, Belgium, Croatia and Luxembourg now so the travel advice could be change for them next
i think Belgium is the main one, the rest will be quick to get things back under control
Cherie
29-07-2020, 05:53 PM
i think Belgium is the main one, the rest will be quick to get things back under control
also not sure Nicola would have gone along with Spain if it were political, they had only just lifted the ban, I think there are some dodgy numbers in there that have only just come to light
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 06:02 PM
I haven't got any numbers, any more than you have Joey? do you have numbers for those that want to stay at home until a vaccine is found?
Yes you must do what is best for your family of course, but what is best for yours might not be best from someone living alone
was the PM not talking about Europe?
oris Johnson fears a second wave of coronavirus could start within a fortnight.
A senior government source told the Mail the Prime Minister was 'extremely concerned' by outbreaks 'bubbling up', both at home and abroad.
Although the number of UK cases is relatively low, rises were recorded each day last week for the first time since the April peak.
The seven-day average stands at almost 700 – 28 per cent up on three weeks ago.
Ministers have been warning of a potential second wave of the pandemic this winter but now fear it could come sooner.
On a visit to Nottingham yesterday, Mr Johnson said Britons must not drop their guard.
He added: 'The most important thing is for everybody in all communities to heed the advice, to follow the advice, not to be spreading it accidentally and get it right down and we'll be able to ease the restrictions across the country.
'But clearly we now face, I'm afraid, the threat of a second wave in other parts of Europe and we just have to be vigilant.'
No,and I'm not claiming to.
I believe just my view, that I think, taking on board the views of my family..
Of course we have lost people to this virus, so our feelings will be stronger as being protective.
However I've never claimed to have any numbers..
It was yourself who said, significant numbers wanted the relaxation of shielding despite the dangers still.
Significant would indicate major numbers of importance.
I doubt that would be the case myself.
Everything else however that you've said in your response above.
Just leaves me thinking, if all that is so and comes to be.
The second wave, the rises in numbers continuing..
The time frame, not Winter now but around 2 weeks.
Then it's less understandable to open up the more vulnerably sick and elderly to greater risk by stopping the aid and stopping the shielding instruction.
Obviously and as you indicate, people will do what they think best for them.
However, with the advice/ instruction from those in government with all the information, to now take away the protective shielding from even those who want it.
I think that dangerous for those sick and elderly.
In my view extremely so possibly too.
I'd even add unnecessarily reckless too.
Whether Johnson was talking about Europe or not, this is where we were heading before the last lockdown.
Just waiting for it all to reach and infect here.
Surely he doesn't want to open the door to accusations of him hanging about to play catch up again.
I'd really hope not anyway.
also not sure Nicola would have gone along with Spain if it were political, they had only just lifted the ban, I think there are some dodgy numbers in there that have only just come to light
spains figures have been manipulated for ages, This is one reason these league tables are complete rubbish
joeysteele
29-07-2020, 06:59 PM
Big steps tomorrow.
One of my best friends is coming to visit.
We are both shielding, so much fun on the cards. Not seen each other since February.
No coughing, sneezing or masks.
Hand sanitiser at the ready and no hugging allowed, but well worth it.
We have decided to have family and close friends visit, taking sensible precautions, another big outbreak and we will be back in isolation for heaven knows how long, make hay while the sun shines.
I really do hope you have a great time smudgie.
Please keep safe.
Crimson Dynamo
29-07-2020, 07:22 PM
The hysteria is as bad as before
Utter madness
starry
29-07-2020, 08:06 PM
Plenty of countries around Europe are doing fewer foreign holidays this summer, so I don't know why so many apparently rushed off from this country.
We already imported some of the virus from Europe anyway. While Portugal and Spain may miss the money they should consider people's lives. They were worried about getting the virus back when their cases went down and now they are happy to send it off when their virus cases are up. It's almost like foreign lives don't matter.
smudgie
29-07-2020, 08:50 PM
I really do hope you have a great time smudgie.
Please keep safe.
Thanks Joey.
We will, it is very difficult for a lot of people, the best we can do is keep an eye on local figures, be very selective in who visits, and make the best of it.
arista
30-07-2020, 01:23 AM
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arista
30-07-2020, 01:24 AM
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arista
30-07-2020, 01:25 AM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12AB0/production/_113746467_times-30.jpg
arista
30-07-2020, 01:26 AM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/37B8/production/_113746241_telegraph-30.jpg
Denver
30-07-2020, 01:33 AM
A McDonald's not far from me was closed down after 10 of its workers tested positive
arista
30-07-2020, 01:43 AM
A McDonald's not far from me was closed down after 10 of its workers tested positive
Yes working all close together
bound to happen
Masks can slip.
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/covid-restaurant-shop-signs-7-5f032e3a44be2__700.jpg
Nicky91
30-07-2020, 06:56 AM
our government had decided that mayors in all local county's can decide for themselves wether or not to give advice to people to wear face masks or not
making this a must simply goes against our law, goes against human rights, so our government cannot pull through with this action otherwise they would break their law
Belgium has put us under a code orange immediately afterwards, so advised not to travel to Netherlands, however we can place them under code orange too given their own amount of new cases is rising too
Nicky91
30-07-2020, 07:00 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/07/dutch-stand-firm-no-nationwide-requirement-to-wear-face-masks/
no scientific evidence LOL want your evidence dumb idiots, watch more CNN, what can happen in america, can easily happen here too
god i hate it when governments are so stupid :facepalm:
Vanessa
30-07-2020, 07:08 AM
I've been going to the seaside, but only one or two days at the time.
So far it's been good, most people are social distancing and the weather has been amazing!
I've been going to the seaside, but only one or two days at the time.
So far it's been good, most people are social distancing and the weather has been amazing!
....:lovedup:..how amazing to uplift your spirits, Vanessa...
Vanessa
30-07-2020, 08:00 AM
....:lovedup:..how amazing to uplift your spirits, Vanessa...
I've been working all the way through the pandemic and it hasn't been easy.
Hopefully better times are coming.
joeysteele
30-07-2020, 08:45 AM
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/covid-restaurant-shop-signs-7-5f032e3a44be2__700.jpg
My view here is.
Not just for this pestilence we are having to contend with now.
This is a strong message, often it's songs lyrics that get the best attention.
However, this is a good one for generally too.
As I have constantly been irritated by people in public places, who cough and sneeze and never seem to carry handkerchiefs or tissues anymore.
Even when in close proximity to others.
Maybe once this awful nightmare of a pandemic is over, I'd like to think a good rising number of people will now be more conscious of using tissues at least, even with colds or mild flu in the future.
Good wording on this Queen song.
Someone should record it and have it played all over the place.
LBC radio guest scientist reckons we are two maybe three weeks away from a second wave. :(
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Surely if there is a (second wave) there would be local lockdowns in the most affected areas instead of another national lockdown?
the extent of any lockdown depends on how widespread any infection spikes are. If the spike is across the country there will be a problem. That shouldn't happen if people are social distancing and following isolations rules
Livia
30-07-2020, 09:45 AM
From Moscow
CNN Business reports their Russian Covid-19 Vaccine
is getting ready for their nation release.
But no data published,
they tested it, with younger staff members
in the Moscow lab.
Then used the Russian Army
to get a bigger test zone.
And, of course... the Russian wouldn't lie to us, would they. I mean, they've always been so open and trustworthy.
user104658
30-07-2020, 10:20 AM
the extent of any lockdown depends on how widespread any infection spikes are. If the spike is across the country there will be a problem. That shouldn't happen if people are social distancing and following isolations rules
Indeed, no sign of a second wave in Scotland as yet and the death figure is 0 pretty much every day, still the occasional one or two amongst the elderly, but usually 0. I'm not going to lie though, I have plenty of concerns about "overspill" from the North of England and also Europe if there's a dramatic spike in the upcoming weeks. People are travelling around quite a bit.
user104658
30-07-2020, 10:23 AM
And, of course... the Russian wouldn't lie to us, would they. I mean, they've always been so open and trustworthy.
It also sounds like (if it is even real) they've tested it on the people least likely to have any adverse effects (young people in a lab setting, and then the army which will primarily be young relatively physically fit people) and now they're considering a full release? :umm2: it hasn't been tested at all on the demographics that need a vaccine the most!
Cherie
30-07-2020, 10:30 AM
Quarantine for those who show symptoms will rise from 7 to 10 days with immediate effect
Cherie
30-07-2020, 10:37 AM
the extent of any lockdown depends on how widespread any infection spikes are. If the spike is across the country there will be a problem. That shouldn't happen if people are social distancing and following isolations rules
exactly
joeysteele
30-07-2020, 10:42 AM
Another catching up action.
Other Countries have had 10 days quarantine and longer for months.
A good move at last however here.
arista
30-07-2020, 10:52 AM
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arista
30-07-2020, 10:57 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/30/11/31366698-8575687-image-a-43_1596105922155.jpg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8575687/England-highest-level-excess-deaths-Europe-coronavirus-pandemic.html
starry
30-07-2020, 11:09 AM
My view here is.
Not just for this pestilence we are having to contend with now.
This is a strong message, often it's songs lyrics that get the best attention.
However, this is a good one for generally too.
As I have constantly been irritated by people in public places, who cough and sneeze and never seem to carry handkerchiefs or tissues anymore.
Even when in close proximity to others.
Maybe once this awful nightmare of a pandemic is over, I'd like to think a good rising number of people will now be more conscious of using tissues at least, even with colds or mild flu in the future.
Good wording on this Queen song.
Someone should record it and have it played all over the place.
It's thought social distancing could reduce the flu threat in Winter.
arista
30-07-2020, 11:11 AM
Due to Covid-19
TUI 166 holiday stores
are to close in the UK and Ireland
[Managing director Andrew Flintham said of
the store closures: "We want to be in the best position to
provide excellent customer service,
whether it's in a high street store,
over the telephone or online,
and will continue to put the customer at the heart of what we do.]
https://news.sky.com/story/tui-to-shut-166-high-street-shops-in-uk-and-ireland-12039063
arista
30-07-2020, 11:14 AM
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They are Mad
I would deliver free to homes near every branch.
joeysteele
30-07-2020, 11:49 AM
1288739113332404224
They are Mad
I would deliver free to homes near every branch.
A negative move in my view this from Argos.
arista
30-07-2020, 11:54 AM
A negative move in my view this from Argos.
Yes it's a Cut Back
sounds like a good move for the environment to me
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