Coronavirus Outbreak

[bots]

my area was way under the national average until we came out of lockdown and were placed in tier 3. Now, our rate is 4 times the national average at 600 ... it is only schools being open that could have done that so quickly

[Cherie]

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Burnham taking on Johnson first time round means we will languish in Tier 3 for as long as possible, no matter what our numbers look like :sad:

listening to it, I think some areas should have dropped down for sure

[AnnieK]

listening to it, I think some areas should have dropped down for sure

It is what it is, I guess. I think they are being overly cautious due to the Christmas relaxation. It doesn't make any difference to me but some hospitality businesses were praying for it.

[Cherie]

It is what it is, I guess. I think they are being overly cautious due to the Christmas relaxation. It doesn't make any difference to me but some hospitality businesses were praying for it.

feel for hospitality as they are bearing the brunt

apparently the trains to Liverpool are full every weekend :laugh:

[AnnieK]

feel for hospitality as they are bearing the brunt

apparently the trains to Liverpool are full every weekend :laugh:

Where my son's school is you can drive 5 minutes up the road and be in Tier 2. All the parent's are going after school tomorrow for food and drinks (not me, I'm not risking it now)

My friends work booked hotels in Warrington for their Christmas do (Tier 2), they all had scotch egg starters and got drunk

People will do whatever they want :mad:

[arista]

Rishi Sunak
has added an extra Month onto Government Payouts
So it will now run to the End of April

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

12.844 new cases (6.000 of which who were earlier not counted due to a error in the computer system of RIVM)

221 new hospitalisations (2.003 in total)

38 new ICU patients (536 in total)

[Ammi]

Secondary school pupils to have staggered return in first week of January...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/secondary-school-pupils-staggered-return-132644362.html

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1339573586135281665

predictions by CDC for US by January 9th

[Crimson Dynamo]

Covid-19 in Proportion?

The UK Government has taken drastic actions to deal with Covid-19, but are these actions and fears in proportion to the reality?

Levels of mortality in 2019/2020 are very similar to those suffered in 1999/2000.

Quarantines and draconian interventions were not justified then and as millions of jobs are lost from the economy due to the lockdown, we must ask whether they are now?

https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/images/chart_22sep_1.png

In the following chart we can see that, in terms of overall mortality, 2019/2020 has been very ordinary for the under 45s: there has been no excess mortality at all for this age group[

https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/images/chart_22sep_4.png

If we compare Covid with 2017/2018, a recent season with high levels of flu/respiratory mortality we can note that:

Overall we are about four weeks worse than the mortality count for 2017/2018

Lockdown has had a minimal if any impact on in flu/respiratory deaths. If you look carefully you can see a slight dip in numbers to reflect delays to death registrations at Christmas. You might think that the lockdown would also have had a noticeable impact on the flu/respiratory data but it does not.

A closer look at the data will reveal that Covid infection rates were already declining before the lockdown which suggests that lockdown did not slow Covid infections either.

https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/images/chart_22sep_2.png



more stats here: https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

[bots]

The issue is in the danger of hospitals being overwhelmed. We are painfully close to hospitals not being able to cope. Statistics for previous years are irrelevant in that context because hospitals have never been under such sustained pressure

[Crimson Dynamo]

The issue is in the danger of hospitals being overwhelmed. We are painfully close to hospitals not being able to cope. Statistics for previous years are irrelevant in that context because hospitals have never been under such sustained pressure

didnt we have all this last year in wales and in england with hospitals in crisis and a national emergency called?

[Crimson Dynamo]

We cannot go on like this. That is the substance of a letter from A&E consultants to the Welsh government to draw attention to the huge crisis in Welsh hospitals this winter.

"We have neither sufficient staff nor sufficient beds (in either acute hospitals or the community) to cope with the needs of an ageing population.

"We're on our knees as far as emergency care [is concerned]. There's good evidence that if patients are seen in emergency departments which are crowded, that are full, their treatment is delayed.

"That can actually cause an increase in the length of stay, it can make their illness more severe and in some cases it can cause death, so for safety and patient care we're very, very worried."

While the NHS in England is run by the Tories, the NHS in Wales is run by Welsh Labour. The two things that the health service in both countries have in common is that there are huge crises in hospital provision this winter and they are both chronically under-resourced.

[Zizu]

Covid-19 in Proportion?



The UK Government has taken drastic actions to deal with Covid-19, but are these actions and fears in proportion to the reality?



Levels of mortality in 2019/2020 are very similar to those suffered in 1999/2000.



Quarantines and draconian interventions were not justified then and as millions of jobs are lost from the economy due to the lockdown, we must ask whether they are now?



https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/images/chart_22sep_1.png



In the following chart we can see that, in terms of overall mortality, 2019/2020 has been very ordinary for the under 45s: there has been no excess mortality at all for this age group[



https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/images/chart_22sep_4.png



If we compare Covid with 2017/2018, a recent season with high levels of flu/respiratory mortality we can note that:



Overall we are about four weeks worse than the mortality count for 2017/2018



Lockdown has had a minimal if any impact on in flu/respiratory deaths. If you look carefully you can see a slight dip in numbers to reflect delays to death registrations at Christmas. You might think that the lockdown would also have had a noticeable impact on the flu/respiratory data but it does not.



A closer look at the data will reveal that Covid infection rates were already declining before the lockdown which suggests that lockdown did not slow Covid infections either.



https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/images/chart_22sep_2.png







more stats here: https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/



Did we have all these thousands on ventilators though week after week after week ??


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[Ammi]

UK extends furlough scheme until April as more of England enters Tier 3...

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/furlough-cbils-bounce-back-extension-april-covid-19-coronavirus-treasury-rishi-sunak-144334726.html

[arista]

Northern Ireland is thinking of doing a long Lockdown
right after Xmas to end in Feb.

They are going to press later if they are doing that.

[arista]

Rishi Sunak
has added an extra Month onto Government Payouts
So it will now run to the End of April


Ammi you missed me post.
I bet its due to the Large posts blocking it.

[arista]

[The number of new UK cases reported on 17 December 2020
includes around 11,000 previously unreported cases
for Wales as a result of system maintenance
in the NHS Wales Laboratory Information Management System.]

Today 532 have died

66,052 Total UK deaths

35,383 today tested for Covid-19 in the UK

Patients in hospital
18,009

Patients on ventilation
1,340


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

[The number of new UK cases reported on 17 December 2020
includes around 11,000 previously unreported cases
for Wales as a result of system maintenance
in the NHS Wales Laboratory Information Management System.]

Today 532 have died

66,052 Total UK deaths

35,383 today tested for Covid-19 in the UK

Patients in hospital
18,009

Patients on ventilation
1,340


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



According to TalkSport radio that 35,000 infections figure includes 11,000 from Wales that were missed from last week in a computer glitch ...Seems like an odd thing to do with the ‘daily’ update though ?!?!?


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[Zizu]

Rishi Sunak
has added an extra Month onto Government Payouts
So it will now run to the End of April



Why add the extra month now in all this turmoil.. why not wait until Jan/ Feb to mention it ??


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[arista]

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[Josy]

6 week lockdown for Northern Ireland from boxing day.

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[arista]

6 week lockdown for Northern Ireland from boxing day.

5103


COVID-19: Northern Ireland to enter six-week lockdown on Boxing Day

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-northern-ireland-to-enter-six-week-lockdown-on-boxing-day-amid-rising-infections-sky-news-understands-12165527

[Zizu]

6 week lockdown for Northern Ireland from boxing day.

5103



Good luck with that over the New Years Eve / day period ..


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

Did anyone see the guy interviewed who was flown out of Wuhan with his Nan back in March? He is now back in Wuhan and apart from wearing masks just as a precaution life is back to normal, no mass vaccinations, no social distancing and all businesses open

[bots]

Did anyone see the guy interviewed who was flown out of Wuhan with his Nan back in March? He is now back in Wuhan and apart from wearing masks just as a precaution life is back to normal, no mass vaccinations, no social distancing and all businesses open

that's what happens when people follow the rules. They have no concept of freedom there, they do as they are told

[arista]

The R rate now above 1 in the UK.


[COVID-19: UK's R number rises to 1.1 to 1.2, SAGE experts say]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uks-r-number-rises-to-1-1-to-1-2-sage-experts-say-12166383

[Zizu]

The R rate now above 1 in the UK.


[COVID-19: UK's R number rises to 1.1 to 1.2, SAGE experts say]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uks-r-number-rises-to-1-1-to-1-2-sage-experts-say-12166383



Plus hospital admissions for COVID this week are the highest since April !!


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[arista]

Plus hospital admissions for COVID this week are the highest since April !!




Yes we are in a mess
Loads are saying 3rd Lockdown in Jan /21

[arista]

Today 28,507 today got Covid-19

Today 489 Died
Total UK Deaths :66,052

Patients in hospital
18,469

Patients on ventilation
1,340

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


The latest R number is estimated at 1.1 to 1.2

[bots]

When we see what is happening in America now after the family gatherings at thanksgiving, i can't believe we are saying ... yeah have 5 days of no restrictions when infections a rampant. It's going to be heartbreaking at the end of January

[Zizu]

When we see what is happening in America now after the family gatherings at thanksgiving, i can't believe we are saying ... yeah have 5 days of no restrictions when infections a rampant. It's going to be heartbreaking at the end of January



... and it won’t be FIVE days .. it will extend to New Year’s Day at least ..


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[arista]

... and it won’t be FIVE days .. it will extend to New Year’s Day at least ..


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Very true

[Zizu]

So yesterday the covid infection rate was quoted as 35,383 but that apparently included a backlog of 11,000 cases in Wales last week ( computer glitch) .

So now Sky news are reporting that today’s infection rate is 7,000 less than yesterday !?!?

When in fact it’s actually 4,000 up on Wednesday’s figures ..

No wonder we’re all so damn confused :(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201218/3ee43b6e09b49559f3397db8bad3e6f6.jpg


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[joeysteele]

When we see what is happening in America now after the family gatherings at thanksgiving, i can't believe we are saying ... yeah have 5 days of no restrictions when infections a rampant. It's going to be heartbreaking at the end of January

It's sheer madness in my view.
Dangerous and irresponsible.

I always thought it was,to be fair to you I know you appear to think that too.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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Guardian

[Nicky91]

CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta also got his covid shot, he said ''i feel fine, and cannot wait to take my next shot in 3 weeks from now''

[Zizu]

CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta also got his covid shot, he said ''i feel fine, and cannot wait to take my next shot in 3 weeks from now''


That’s what Trump said though :)

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[AnnieK]

There's a meeting today about locking down London and the South East further and stopping travel to and from the region to stop the spread of this new strain of Covid.

[Cherie]

There's a meeting today about locking down London and the South East further and stopping travel to and from the region to stop the spread of this new strain of Covid.

Good, the number in hospital is nearly at peak first wave levels, they appear to have cut deaths by nearly 50 per cent but cant imagine what the levels will be if Christmas goes ahead as normal

[AnnieK]

Good

Should stop everyone travelling out of their areas at the moment I think.

[bots]

Boris is to hold a press conference later today

[reece(:]

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[Zizu]

Should stop everyone travelling out of their areas at the moment I think.



Seems kinda obvious doesn’t it ?

Then again when this virus was first discovered they all said they’d CONTAIN it over there but within days we were shipping/flying thousands of Brits back into our country ..


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[arista]

Boris is to hold a press conference later today



Yes 4PM all media

[Kizzy]

Oh ffs what's he going to say now?..

I hope he announces he's going to ensure kids get the vaccine before he let's the schools reopen.

I know...silly thought :laugh:

My serious guess is a travel ban for the south east.

[arista]

The Virus (New Strain) is moving faster than they thought

[Samm]

Apparently south east and london to be placed in tier 4 from tomorrow with travel stopped

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/dutch-vaccination-programme-will-start-january-8-de-jonge-tells-angry-mps/

Dutch vaccination programme will start January 8th


''De Jonge came in for strong criticism during the debate because of the slow roll out of the vaccination programme in the Netherlands. Britain has already started vaccinating the frail elderly and Germany, Belgium and Denmark are also poised to start their campaign.''

indeed Hugo you tell those slow snails over there, about vaccination progress in other countries

[arista]

Apparently south east and London to be placed in tier 4 from tomorrow with travel stopped

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/millions-could-face-tier-4-23187455


Sure and your Scotland has Tier 4
under your leader.

[Kizzy]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/millions-could-face-tier-4-23187455


Sure and your Scotland has Tier 4
under your leader.

And why?.... prevention is better than cure.

[arista]

And why?.... prevention is better than cure.


The Cure is not fast enough
Not enough imported vaccine etc.


[Chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty
said government advisers "consider
the new strain can spread more quickly".

He will join the prime minister and
Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's
chief scientific adviser, at the press conference.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55376727

[Nicky91]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55376008

9 coronavirus patients killed in Turkey after a oxygen ventilator exploded, victims aged between 56 and 85

[arista]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55376008

9 coronavirus patients killed in Turkey after a oxygen ventilator exploded, victims aged between 56 and 85

Shocker

[Kizzy]

The Cure is not fast enough


[Chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty
said government advisers "consider
the new strain can spread more quickly".

He will join the prime minister and
Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's
chief scientific adviser, at the press conference.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55376727

I meant that Scotland were right to go into tier 4, as usual we are late to the party.

I know Wales are struggling but I still agree with their decision to lock down when we didn't. Who knows how much worse it couldve been?

[Kizzy]

If there is a travel ban from the south east will it inclusive this lot?...

yZoEPfwBQlo

[arista]

No Kizzy

[bots]

the infection rate went from below the national average to the worst in england in the space of a couple of weeks here, during a period where we were either locked down or in tier 3. I dont see what further restrictions could do unless it is a lock down like we had in March

[AnnieK]

the infection rate went from below the national average to the worst in england in the space of a couple of weeks here, during a period where we were either locked down or in tier 3. I dont see what further restrictions could do unless it is a lock down like we had in March

It looks like very similar to march, with stay home message in law

[Nicky91]

It looks like very similar to march, with stay home message in law

only difference now is people are not gonna listen anymore

[AnnieK]

They need to delay schools going back after christmas until they have this new strain way under control or there will be wave after wave of it when the kids and unis are back

[arista]

only difference now is people are not gonna listen anymore


Some will.

[AnnieK]

only difference now is people are not gonna listen anymore

People bloody need to listen or we will never get out of this.

[bots]

i think this new strain got into schools already and that is what caused the havoc, they were open during lockdown, it's not a coincidence

[Kizzy]

No Kizzy

Why not?...

[arista]

Why not?...

Because Food is needed
to keep us alive

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

12.282 new cases

290 new hospitalisations (2.065 in total)

45 new ICU patients (560 in total)

56 new deaths

[arista]

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[Zizu]

i think this new strain got into schools already and that is what caused the havoc, they were open during lockdown, it's not a coincidence



But they said that children wouldn’t spread the virus .. they told us !!!


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[Zizu]

1340278834906755072



Gawd I can’t stand Sam Coates but now Beth has been suspended he’s never off our damn screens


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[Nicky91]

might sound cliché but our slogan in this crisis is kinda the only way

which means ''OnlyTogetherWeCanGetCoronaUnderControl''

[user104658]

might sound cliché but our slogan in this crisis is kinda the only way

which means ''OnlyTogetherWeCanGetCoronaUnderControl''I like it. Snappy. Really rolls off the tongue.

[arista]

Scotland is also going to hold a Press Conference
today at 5:25PM

[arista]

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[arista]

534 today have died

27,052 have today got Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Now Live 10 Downing St,
Johnson and his 2 Advisers.

Tier 4
takes over the London and South East.

[arista]

[16:17

PM announces change to easing of rules over Christmas
"We must look again at Christmas," Boris Johnson says.

The prime minister adds that
"with a very heavy heart" we cannot continue
with the easing of rules as planned.

People in Tier 4 areas must not mix with
other households at Christmas, Mr Johnson says.

Elsewhere, people will only be allowed to
meet up with two other households
on Christmas Day, rather than the original five days.]


Some Live Feed
https://twitter.com/i/events/1340249418134552578

[arista]

New Tier 4 announced:

Residents in new Tier 4 areas must stay at home

Non essential retail, indoor gyms and
personal care services must close

People should not enter or leave Tier 4 areas

People can only meet one person in an outdoor public space

[arista]

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[Strictly Jake]

Why leave it so late and cause so much upset and money wasting. I absolutely hate hate hate hate how ****ing useless they are. Someone grab him by the balls and throw him against a wall

[arista]

Why leave it so late and cause so much upset and money wasting. I absolutely hate hate hate hate how ****ing useless they are. Someone grab him by the balls and throw him against a wall


I have a Colleague (London)
at work who was to fly to Italy
in a few days.

He is now sadly crying.

[arista]

BBC Laura
said what about the people
that are now packing their bags
to leave before Midnight?

Prof. Whitty
said they must not leave?

[Strictly Jake]

This is a disgrace. They have already sent students home and stuff. The uproar is about to get huge trust me

[arista]

This is a disgrace. They have already sent students home and stuff. The uproar is about to get huge trust me


Yes but the Data got worse
and Today the Prime Minister
has no choice
His 2 advisors have backed this.

[bots]

Why leave it so late and cause so much upset and money wasting. I absolutely hate hate hate hate how ****ing useless they are. Someone grab him by the balls and throw him against a wall

we have a rampant virus, its blatant stupidity that people were going to behave like there was no pandemic, People MUST take individual responsibility for their own health

[Dogeatdog]

The Virus (New Strain) is moving faster than they thought

They should name it Corona Extra

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[arista]

The PM has Concluded his Briefing

[arista]

Good One Dogeatdog

[Josy]

This is a disgrace. They have already sent students home and stuff. The uproar is about to get huge trust meWhat about the people that are blatantly and repeatedly ignoring guidelines with no thoughts about anyone else it affects and causing it to spread? Are you laying any blame at them at all?

[Dogeatdog]

What about the people that are blatantly and repeatedly ignoring guidelines with no thoughts about anyone else it affects and causing it to spread? Are you laying any blame at them at all?

That applies to the MP’s as well that have been flouting the rules tbh. If members of parliament aren’t going to listen to the rules that have been set in place, the general public aren’t going to follow suit.

[bots]

they are saying this new strain originated in Kent ..... Sorry everyone :blush:

[Josy]

That applies to the MP’s as well that have been flouting the rules tbh. If members of parliament aren’t going to listen to the rules that have been set in place, the general public aren’t going to follow suit.It applies to anyone breaking the rules, that much is obvious...

However the government have set out guidelines that people are happily and proudly announcing that they are ignoring then harsher guidelines have to be brought in and 'boom' it's all the government's fault.

[bots]

It applies to anyone breaking the rules, that much is obvious...

However the government have set out guidelines that people are happily and proudly announcing that they are ignoring then harsher guidelines have to be brought in and 'boom' it's all the government's fault.

exactly, if people followed the flipping guidelines in the first place, the government wouldn't need to do anything

[LukeB]

It applies to anyone breaking the rules, that much is obvious...

However the government have set out guidelines that people are happily and proudly announcing that they are ignoring then harsher guidelines have to be brought in and 'boom' it's all the government's fault.

It mostly is though :shrug: if they acted sooner rather than later we might not have been in this mess. If they actually CLOSED the ****ing schools where most of the spread came from then things could be different.

tier 4 rules are basically stay at home and then telling people they are allowed to meet one person out side. Lockdown should mean lockdown.

[Nicky91]

exactly, if people followed the flipping guidelines in the first place, the government wouldn't need to do anything

that includes MPs themselves

[Dogeatdog]

It applies to anyone breaking the rules, that much is obvious...

However the government have set out guidelines that people are happily and proudly announcing that they are ignoring then harsher guidelines have to be brought in and 'boom' it's all the government's fault.

Because a lot of there actions in some ways aren’t making sense. They’re happily screwing up the hospitality sector forcing them to close because of cases rising and at the same time, sending hundreds of kids back to school all mixing? It doesn’t make sense. I agree it’s our duty to listen and follow the rules that are put in place but a lot of them are not making that much sense in my opinion.

[bots]

Wales goes into full lockdown at midnight

[arista]

Wales goes into Tier 4 Tomorrow

[arista]

What about the people that are blatantly and repeatedly ignoring guidelines with no thoughts about anyone else it affects and causing it to spread? Are you laying any blame at them at all?


Yes Josy very valid point.


The SNP leader
is going to be Live today 5:25PM
so not long.

[arista]

Wales goes into full lockdown at midnight


Yes Covid-19 is very bad in Wales
as well.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

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well one good thing what came out of 2020 then

ruining the leader of troll brexit party his christmas

[Kazanne]

It applies to anyone breaking the rules, that much is obvious...

However the government have set out guidelines that people are happily and proudly announcing that they are ignoring then harsher guidelines have to be brought in and 'boom' it's all the government's fault.

:clap1::clap1: Exactly

[Beso]

they are saying this new strain originated in Kent ..... Sorry everyone :blush:

Probably on a dover beach.

[Kazanne]

That applies to the MP’s as well that have been flouting the rules tbh. If members of parliament aren’t going to listen to the rules that have been set in place, the general public aren’t going to follow suit.

So if a minister threw himself off a bridge ,would you do the same knowing it had dire conseqences, its just a lame excuse imo for people thinking its ok to do as they want.

[Nicky91]

So if a minister threw himself off a bridge ,would you do the same knowing it had dire conseqences, its just a lame excuse imo for people thinking its ok to do as they want.

the anti-maskers they think it takes away all of their freedom etc so those sort of people will never really listen

so its best we know they are there, and we do our best to shield elderly and vulnerable, its something what Bots said too earlier few months ago, but that would be a better option

those anti-maskers well, if they want to ignore guidelines and risk getting sick it will be all their fault, but we can protect elderly and vulnerable and that should be our no.1 priority now

[arista]

Live Scottish Leader now


So Far they have 17 cases of the New Fast Covid-19 strain.

[LukeB]

So if a minister threw himself off a bridge ,would you do the same knowing it had dire conseqences, its just a lame excuse imo for people thinking its ok to do as they want.

It's not just the rule breakers fault :shrug:

Why is it so hard for you to blame the gov as well when evidently they have ****ed up themselves?

[Dogeatdog]

So if a minister threw himself off a bridge ,would you do the same knowing it had dire conseqences, its just a lame excuse imo for people thinking its ok to do as they want.

It’s not a legal requirement to jump off a bridge is it. I’m not trying to sound like a smart arse (I mean no disrespect) or anything like that so I don’t mean for it to come across as that way but, if the government are issuing rules and guidelines and their own Mp’s are still choosing to break them, then a lot of responsibility still falls on their shoulders (imo of course).

[bots]

The Scottish and Welsh administrations are basically taking the same action now as is being applied in England, both having signed up previously to the Christmas relaxation, so it's a bit rich to blame Boris

[arista]

The Scottish and Welsh administrations are basically taking the same action now as is being applied in England, both having signed up previously to the Christmas relaxation, so it's a bit rich to blame Boris


Yes Very valid points

[arista]

[MPs demand parliament is recalled to vote
on cancelling Christmas after they were
promised a say on new measures
PM Boris Johnson imposed tighter
coronavirus controls over Christmas]


Johnson PM has Said NO

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[Kizzy]

exactly, if people followed the flipping guidelines in the first place, the government wouldn't need to do anything

Many followed the eat out to help out guidelines.. and the send your kids to school it's perfectly safe guideline's.

Why are the public the only ones being held to account here? All the way through there's been disjointed, or inconsistent advice. Please don't attempt to say there's been no errors that's affected public confidence bots

[Zizu]

they are saying this new strain originated in Kent ..... Sorry everyone :blush:



Imagine if the new strain was the result of all the teenagers / under 30’s flouting all the guidelines AND it actually targeted that same age group ..


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[Zizu]

So ‘they’ knew about this new variant in mid September and that it was in Kent / London !?!

Why on Earth didn’t they put the offending area into full lockdown or at least some kind of containment?!?!?
Chris Whitty looks very anxious/nervous tonight ... trembling voice .. practically begging people not to travel out of Kent /London now as the risk of them spreading the new variant all over the country !!

Why don’t they put a complete block on travelling OUT of the offending area ?!?!?

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[Scarlett.]

Let's be realistic, the new strain has already gone further than the south, if there are cases in Scotland

[arista]

Let's be realistic, the new strain has already gone further than the south, if there are cases in Scotland


Yes it spreads much faster
as well.

[Tom4784]

Many followed the eat out to help out guidelines.. and the send your kids to school it's perfectly safe guideline's.

Why are the public the only ones being held to account here? All the way through there's been disjointed, or inconsistent advice. Please don't attempt to say there's been no errors that's affected public confidence bots

Because people bend over backwards to defend the Tories from any blame.

They had all the details for months, they could have done so much more to make a difference yet Tory supporters will blame anyone but their beloved Boris.

[Kizzy]

Imagine if the new strain was the result of all the teenagers / under 30’s flouting all the guidelines AND it actually targeted that same age group ..


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Or...by being forced back into schools colleges and university halls?

[AnnieK]

Many followed the eat out to help out guidelines.. and the send your kids to school it's perfectly safe guideline's.

Why are the public the only ones being held to account here? All the way through there's been disjointed, or inconsistent advice. Please don't attempt to say there's been no errors that's affected public confidence bots

Exactly...I feel for the hospitality industry, they have been royally screwed over. The gov championed the eat out to help out stuff.....then blamed them for the spike.

[joeysteele]

Because people bend over backwards to defend the Tories from any blame.

They had all the details for months, they could have done so much more to make a difference yet Tory supporters will blame anyone but their beloved Boris.

You have stated only solid truth there Dezzy.

Loyalty is all well and good when it's earned and warranted.
Not in this situation.
Yet, they'll roll out defending what I believe is a totally inept and utterly hopeless PM and government.

This government is putting in danger people and their lives, not protecting them.

The delays they create, bringing about more danger too.

[Scarlett.]

The thing I fear is that, if Boris gets forced out, we'd have Rees-Mogg as PM, who'd manage to be even worse.

[Zizu]

Yes it spreads much faster

as well.



70% more virulent and they’ve known about it since mid September !!


You wonder why I’m a tad pessimistic about the Covid situation ... it doesn’t seem 5 minutes ago since the first vaccine was administered and everyone and his uncle was practically ready to party ...


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[Cherie]

70% more virulent and they’ve known about it since mid September !!


You wonder why I’m a tad pessimistic about the Covid situation ... it doesn’t seem 5 minutes ago since the first vaccine was administered and everyone and his uncle was practically ready to party ...


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Not on here, everyone knew it would be Easter before there was any return to tentative normality, that wasn’t going to happen at the first jab

[Kizzy]

Exactly...I feel for the hospitality industry, they have been royally screwed over. The gov championed the eat out to help out stuff.....then blamed them for the spike.

Yep and it was proven that in areas with a high uptake of eat out to help out there case covid spiking of some 17%!

Not to mention the poor kids and student who literally are human guinea pigs in all this, go to school ..lock them up in halls, let them out for freshers, lock them up again, let them back to uni then send them home!

Like I've said this had to have been planned, you couldn't make it up!

[Zizu]

Not on here, everyone knew it would be Easter before there was any return to tentative normality, that wasn’t going to happen at the first jab



Some thought that , some were overly optimistic I felt


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[Cherie]

Some thought that , some were overly optimistic I felt


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Who? Not seen anyone say it’s over, name names

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[Kizzy]

Right.. don't blame Boris for his rubbish response to the very deadly strain we knew about blame the 'new' strain for his u turn. ..pffft!

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[arista]

Nations above 10,000 Deaths of Covid-19

315,630 United States deaths
186,356 Brazil deaths
145,136 India deaths
117,249 Mexicio deaths
68,447 Italy deaths
67,177 United Kingdom deaths
60,534 France deaths
53,448 Iran deaths
49,744 Russia deaths
48,926 Spain deaths
41,763 Argentina deaths
40,268 Colombia deaths
36,858 Peru deaths
25,899 Germany deaths
25,254 Poland deaths
24,539 South Africa deaths
19,659 Indonesia deaths
18,455 Belgium deaths
17,851 Turkey deaths
17,072 Ukraine deaths
16,101 Chile deaths
14,296 Romania deaths
14,171 Canada deaths
13,948 Ecuador deaths
12,680 Iraq deaths
10,546 Netherlands deaths
10,271 Czechia deaths


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Zizu]

Who? Not seen anyone say it’s over, name names



I’m not on trial :)


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[user104658]

Not on here, everyone knew it would be Easter before there was any return to tentative normality, that wasn’t going to happen at the first jabThrow the glass at the ****ing wall, Cherie [emoji39]

[arista]

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[arista]

Nickys nation Protecting more.

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[arista]

Ridge now on SkyNewsHD
is extended to 10AM

And also Marr BBC1HD is extended until 10:15AM

On Ridge
First Guest Dr Chaad Nagpaul (Chair, British Medical Assoc., Council)
said there is not enough staff to open the Temp., made hospitals.
And he said 1 in 3
will not know they are carrying the virus.


One main problem with these 2 shows
is the same Main Guests are on both.
SkyNewsHD has them first.

[arista]

Northern Ireland
is going into a Lockdown
on Boxing Day.

[user104658]

Nickys nation Protecting more.

1340463574280515585

It will already be seeded in continental Europe and - worryingly - probably in the US as well. It may not even originate in London.

[bots]

It will already be seeded in continental Europe and - worryingly - probably in the US as well. It may not even originate in London.

if the virus is 70% more infectious than the previous generation, it will have undoubtedly have spread across the world already. The simple fact being that its already transmitted before people realise its there.

Interestingly they came up with this 70% figure, but not a word on how to enhance protection against it. It seems to me that they no longer know if 2 metres and mask wearing is effective.

[bots]

Vaughan Gething told BBC Radio Wales the stay-at-home rule was introduced last night "partly" as a result of a new strain of the virus.

The variant had been "seeded" in all parts of Wales, including the north.

Ministers have been shown evidence that the strain is "much more infectious", he said.

[Cherie]

Northern Ireland
like Wales, is going into a Lockdown
on Boxing Day.

Wales went into lockdown at midnight last night :suspect:

[arista]

Wales went into lockdown at midnight last night :suspect:


Yes they did.

[Cherie]

70% more virulent and they’ve known about it since mid September !!


You wonder why I’m a tad pessimistic about the Covid situation ... it doesn’t seem 5 minutes ago since the first vaccine was administered and everyone and his uncle was practically ready to party ...


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I’m not on trial :)


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I asked you to explain something you posted...specficically the bit in bold, of course a vaccine is a source of light, but it has always been at the end of the tunnel, ie it’s not here yet :)

[arista]

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[Zizu]

I asked you to explain something you posted...specficically the bit in bold, of course a vaccine is a source of light, but it has always been at the end of the tunnel, ie it’s not here yet :)



I was simply ‘generalising’ though ..


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[user104658]

if the virus is 70% more infectious than the previous generation, it will have undoubtedly have spread across the world already. The simple fact being that its already transmitted before people realise its there.



Interestingly they came up with this 70% figure, but not a word on how to enhance protection against it. It seems to me that they no longer know if 2 metres and mask wearing is effective.As a guess I would imagine indoors/enclosed contact is still the most likely area of transmission, the increased infectiousness may simply be how likely you are to become infected yourself if exposed to an infected person in that way. So let's say you previously had a 30% risk of catching Covid if you were a Covid contact... With it being 70% more infectious (an oddly precise figure considering how recently it was discovered, but whatever) then you would now have a 30 + (0.7x30=21) = 51% chance of being infected by them.


[note: I pulled the 30% figure out of a hat for an example, I don't know what the actual risk percentage was before]

The end result of course is an exponential increase as more people than before are infected, who in turn infect more people than before, etc.

[arista]

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[Beso]

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Looks like a hooked nosed monster from scooby doo.

[arista]

Of course,
All those that packed into railway stations
last night, were legal to do so.
(some could be Covid-19 Variant carriers, without knowing)

Thats why BBC Laura's first question was
how do you stop people rushing to leave London.

[Scarlett.]

Am I the only one losing faith that we will ever return to the 'normal' we knew, like ever?

[arista]

Am I the only one losing faith that we will ever return to the 'normal' we knew, like ever?


Yes until a Mass Vaccine
is done,
we are stuck with this mess.

[Cherie]

Am I the only one losing faith that we will ever return to the 'normal' we knew, like ever?

Hang in there by Easter there will be a better picture I am sure...watched a report on Wuhan during the week and they are back to normal apart from wearing face masks which they tend to do anyway

[user104658]

Am I the only one losing faith that we will ever return to the 'normal' we knew, like ever?There will be distinct changes in a lot of areas. The high street is never coming back for example, international travel will be significantly lessened for decades and I think there will be a far more widely accepted culture of working from home.

To be fair; I don't think the latter two of those are necessarily negatives.

If you mean the virus... Well... The brutal reality is, it's far from the worst virus we've ever faced (as a species) and if it can't be beaten through vaccination then we will just have to learn to live with it. There is no option three, it's not going to be suppressed at this point, the idea that it could be is insane and the countries who have done so successfully so far will either be hit at some point or have to live in global isolation forever.

[arista]

Hang in there by Easter there will be a better picture I am sure...watched a report on Wuhan during the week and they are back to normal apart from wearing face masks which they tend to do anyway


In Asia
like South Korea
they still are getting infections.


You need a report every 3 weeks

[AnnieK]

Am I the only one losing faith that we will ever return to the 'normal' we knew, like ever?

I do at times when I'm having a low day with it all. Then I think we have to get back to normal at some point. I do think though that more people here will continue to wear face coverings and be more aware of hand hygiene going forward.

I think it will be a long time before I'm fully comfortable in big crowds etc again

[user104658]

I do at times when I'm having a low day with it all. Then I think we have to get back to normal at some point. I do think though that more people here will continue to wear face coverings and be more aware of hand hygiene going forward.



I think it will be a long time before I'm fully comfortable in big crowds etc againAgain I don't think we have to see those as negatives; it would be very good for public health in general, even if vaccines do eradicate Covid, for us to continue with a culture of increased hand hygiene and while mandatory mask wearing must end, it would also be quite nice if we adopted the East Asian tradition of people choosing to wear a mask as a courtesy if they have a cough/cold.

[bots]

if it doesnt end up being cured by vaccine it will be by therapeutic. Huge amounts of money have been thrown at resolving this and the medical benefit across the board will be phenomenal

[AnnieK]

Again I don't think we have to see those as negatives; it would be very good for public health in general, even if vaccines do eradicate Covid, for us to continue with a culture of increased hand hygiene and while mandatory mask wearing must end, it would also be quite nice if we adopted the East Asian tradition of people choosing to wear a mask as a courtesy if they have a cough/cold.

Yeah, I don't think they are negatives either. I think people will be more aware of virus transmission so that can only be a good thing really

[user104658]

if it doesnt end up being cured by vaccine it will be by therapeutic. Huge amounts of money have been thrown at resolving this and the medical benefit across the board will be phenomenalThe fatality numbers and long-term effects will be lessened by therapeutic advances, if it isn't halted by a vaccine it won't be cured, any more than the flu or measles or TB etc have been cured.

It'll circulate, most people will be fine with treatment, some vulnerable people will die of it at low levels. But we accept that with countless other viruses including all those mentioned above so we will come to accept it with this one.

[Cherie]

Nations above 10,000 Deaths of Covid-19

315,630 United States deaths
186,356 Brazil deaths
145,136 India deaths
117,249 Mexicio deaths
68,447 Italy deaths
67,177 United Kingdom deaths
60,534 France deaths
53,448 Iran deaths
49,744 Russia deaths
48,926 Spain deaths
41,763 Argentina deaths
40,268 Colombia deaths
36,858 Peru deaths
25,899 Germany deaths
25,254 Poland deaths
24,539 South Africa deaths
19,659 Indonesia deaths
18,455 Belgium deaths
17,851 Turkey deaths
17,072 Ukraine deaths
16,101 Chile deaths
14,296 Romania deaths
14,171 Canada deaths
13,948 Ecuador deaths
12,680 Iraq deaths
10,546 Netherlands deaths
10,271 Czechia deaths


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Gosh when did Italy surge again, I had stopped looking at the numbers

[arista]

Gosh when did Italy surge again, I had stopped looking at the numbers


Yes Italy keeps jumping ahead of us.

Also Nicky's nation joins
the over 10,000 Covid-19 deaths list now.

[arista]

Labour Leader Keir did a Short Briefing
answering questions from
ITV, BBC , SkyNews, The Mirror Paper.

[arista]

Italy has closed its borders with the UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-italy-joins-belgium-and-netherlands-in-banning-uk-flights-over-fears-about-new-coronavirus-strain-12168042


Will Spain join the Block list?

[Zizu]

Looks like a hooked nosed monster from scooby doo.



I just see the Beast from the movie .. Beauty and the ...


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[Nicky91]

Yes Italy keeps jumping ahead of us.

Also Nicky's nation joins
the over 10,000 Covid-19 deaths list now.

since when?


i don't read anything about our death numbers anymore over here

[Zizu]

Now it would also be quite nice if we adopted the East Asian tradition of people choosing to wear a mask as a courtesy if they have a cough/cold.



I’m not sure the tens of thousands who travelled out of London last night to infect the rest of the country would ever think of others in that watc.


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[Zizu]

Sadiq Khan was being interviewed on LBC this morning and he was complaining that the government have been far too slow in putting London into tier 4 ... then the interviewer said ‘ weren’t you complaining less than two weeks ago that the government hadn’t moved London down to tier 2 ... ?!?! “

He just mumbled something incoherent..


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[Tom4784]

There's a lot wrong with japanese culture (rape culture and how women are treated in general, people dying from overwork, suicide is basically a pandemic etc), but when it comes to their health, I can't fault their approach. We could learn a lot from Japan when it comes to their commitment to masks for the sake of others.

[arista]

since when?


i don't read anything about our death numbers anymore over here


The last two numbers above 10,000 deaths


10,546 Netherlands deaths
10,271 Czechia deaths

The numbers go Up and Up

[Cherie]

Sadiq Khan was being interviewed on LBC this morning and he was complaining that the government have been far too slow in putting London into tier 4 ... then the interviewer said ‘ weren’t you complaining less than two weeks ago that the government hadn’t moved London down to tier 2 ... ?!?! “

He just mumbled something incoherent..


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Yes he was begging on Monday before the Tier review for London to stay in Tier 2 and urging Londoners to comply with the regs :joker:

[arista]

Today 326 Died

67,401 Total UK deaths.

35,928 today got Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,771

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,364

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Scarlett.]

Usually the case numbers and deaths are lower on Sunday too...

[Niamh.]

Flights in and out of Britain are banned here from midnight tonight because if that new strain if the virus

[arista]

France bans UK.

[Beso]

Usually the case numbers and deaths are lower on Sunday too...

That is low for the past 3 weeks.:shocked:

[arista]

[Covid-19: Dover port halts traffic to France for 48 hours]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55389505

[Zizu]

That is low for the past 3 weeks.:shocked:



Sky just confirmed that today’s new infection figure of 35,928 is THE highest daily increase so far ..


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[UserSince2005]

Italy has closed its borders with the UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-italy-joins-belgium-and-netherlands-in-banning-uk-flights-over-fears-about-new-coronavirus-strain-12168042


Will Spain join the Block list?

I hope not, Im off to tenerife in less than 2 weeks.

[Beso]

Sky just confirmed that today’s new infection figure of 35,928 is THE highest daily increase so far ..


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I meant the deaths

[Zizu]

I meant the deaths



Ah


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[Zizu]

I hope not, Im off to tenerife in less than 2 weeks.



I’m hearing no travel in or out of the uk for two weeks ... that maybe just for Kent and/or the channel tunnel though they’re rushing through all the days news stories.. Sky did say that there’s gonna be no food entering the country for at least two weeks and that will effect the supermarket shelves ..


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[James]

The new strain is probably everywhere already. It's been detected in the Netherlands and Denmark.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55382212

[Scarlett.]

It's understandable they'd wanna take measures to stop it spreading worldwide, at least we've let everyone know as soon as we found out, unlike China

[bots]

It's understandable they'd wanna take measures to stop it spreading worldwide, at least we've let everyone know as soon as we found out, unlike China

it's already in most countries around the world, they just don't know it yet. The UK is a world leader in genome sequencing, hence we discovered it quickly, other countries just dont have the tech to identify it

[user104658]

Honestly I'll eat my hat if the new strain actually originated in the UK. Its not a coincidence that it's spread out from London; the UK's main hub of international travel.

[UserSince2005]

Honestly I'll eat my hat if the new strain actually originated in the UK. Its not a coincidence that it's spread out from London; the UK's main hub of international travel.

hun go to east london and you wouldnt be so sure.

[Nicky91]

dutch people are apparently stuck in england, but we won't bring back our people, with potentially germs of the new strain

[AnnieK]

There is no way the virus has only mutated here....it will be ripping through every country where the virus is prevalent. A huge second wave world wide is imminent and governments everywhere need to get a handle on it now we have identified it

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/hoek-van-holland-ijmuiden-closed-to-ferry-passengers-from-britain/

Hoek van Holland, Ijmuiden closed to ferry passengers from britain

[Niamh.]

There is no way the virus has only mutated here....it will be ripping through every country where the virus is prevalent. A huge second wave world wide is imminent and governments everywhere need to get a handle on it now we have identified it

Pretty sure they've already had cases in Northern Ireland so I'd be surprised if it's not in the rest of Ireland too. Pointless banning flights here to and from the UK when we still have an open border between the Republic and NI anyway :shrug:

[user104658]

There are cases in The Netherlands and Denmark and it's been confirmed that this strain has been circulating since September. I feel that really they must already know that it's seeded across Europe at the very least and they're clutching at straws.

[Niamh.]

There are cases in The Netherlands and Denmark and it's been confirmed that this strain has been circulating since September. I feel that really they must already know that it's seeded across Europe at the very least and they're clutching at straws.

Wtf are they up to then? So sick of this **** now

[user104658]

Wtf are they up to then? So sick of this **** now

Panicking. Trying to stuff an angry cat back into a burlap sack.

[bots]

There are cases in The Netherlands and Denmark and it's been confirmed that this strain has been circulating since September. I feel that really they must already know that it's seeded across Europe at the very least and they're clutching at straws.

to me it starts to make much more sense now why certain regions had so much trouble bringing the infection rates down. My own area was way below the national average until the last lockdown when it suddenly shot up, it doesn't make any sense unless there was another variable at play.

I think the reason its gone crazy in the likes of California, Germany and Italy, is exactly the same reason

[Niamh.]

Panicking. Trying to stuff an angry cat back into a burlap sack.

I don't know what hope normal people have if our governments can't even keep their **** together

[bots]

I don't know what hope normal people have if our governments can't even keep their **** together

it's all about perception, the populations would be going crazy if borders were left open.

[user104658]

to me it starts to make much more sense now why certain regions had so much trouble bringing the infection rates down. My own area was way below the national average until the last lockdown when it suddenly shot up, it doesn't make any sense unless there was another variable at play.

I think the reason its gone crazy in the likes of California, Germany and Italy, is exactly the same reason

I'm more or less convinced it came from continental Europe and has been doing the rounds in tandem with the original strain since before September. It was first identified in September but the cases were so low over summer that it could easily have been flying under the radar since May.

But yes, I agree - it is odd that despite having the same or similar restrictions everywhere, some regions have had infection rates come down very easily while others are "stubbornly high".

[Zizu]

It's understandable they'd wanna take measures to stop it spreading worldwide, at least we've let everyone know as soon as we found out, unlike China



Maybe it didn’t originate in the uk .. maybe we were just the first to identify it ??

Is that a possibility ??


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[Zizu]

it's already in most countries around the world, they just don't know it yet. The UK is a world leader in genome sequencing, hence we discovered it quickly, other countries just dont have the tech to identify it



Ahhh .. you beat me to it .. I just woke up :)


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[Zizu]

Honestly I'll eat my hat if the new strain actually originated in the UK. Its not a coincidence that it's spread out from London; the UK's main hub of international travel.



Interesting idea and totally logical


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[Zizu]

dutch people are apparently stuck in england, but we won't bring back our people, with potentially germs of the new strain



Why ever not ?

We brought back thousands of Brits when all this first started ... didn’t do us any harm ...

Oh wait ...


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[user104658]

it's all about perception, the populations would be going crazy if borders were left open.

This is my take on it. France closing the border at Dover is essentially "political virtue signalling" - they're closing it because if they don't, there will be a public backlash in France when the new strain is inevitably identified there. They're perfectly well aware that it's already there but they know the public won't want to hear that and will point the finger at the border anyway.

The chances of the virus being spread by freight vehicles is miniscule, the action is ridiculous. I fully understand and even support closing the borders to individuals but closing them to freight is nonsense. Ideally, they need to figure out a driver-swap situation where vehicles are loaded and sent driverless and picked up on the other side by a "twinned" driver... but that would take a tonne of organisation.

[Niamh.]

We're allowing freight in and out of Ireland still and in and out of the UK too(not that we have much choice anyway considering we're on an Island on our own :laugh: ) But like I said this whole thing is pointless regardless because anyone could still just fly in to NI and come in to the Republic anyway. There's no chance this new strain isn't here already anyway

[James]

Maybe it didn’t originate in the uk .. maybe we were just the first to identify it ??

Is that a possibility ??


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProYeah, I think it is likely that we are being penalised for reporting on it first.

[bots]

new variants have to originate somewhere, we have been lucky so far that it hasn't mutated much at all. Given the scale of infection in the USA, there are bound to be some new variants originating from there

[Cherie]

What ever happened to the mutant strain in the minks in Denmark, news about that died out like the poor minks

[Cherie]

to me it starts to make much more sense now why certain regions had so much trouble bringing the infection rates down. My own area was way below the national average until the last lockdown when it suddenly shot up, it doesn't make any sense unless there was another variable at play.

I think the reason its gone crazy in the likes of California, Germany and Italy, is exactly the same reason

Yeah the startling rise in infections make sense now

[Zizu]

Yeah, I think it is likely that we are being penalised for reporting on it first.



I guess nobody wanted to be ‘targeted’ like China were ..


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[reece(:]

Another Boris press conference confirmed for later today. :rolleyes:

[Dogeatdog]

All the countries are just putting us on ignore :laugh:

[arista]

Another Boris press conference confirmed for later today. :rolleyes:


Yes depends how long their Cobra meeting goes on for.
So Could be 4 or 5PM

[Nicky91]

BREAKING NEWS: EMA approves Pfizer vaccine good news for all EU countries who can now start vaccinating

[Cherie]

Boris to put the North into Tier 4 on Christmas Eve? Just like EiD :laugh:

[arista]

[Macron says he will open border but insists
all drivers Must have negative Covid test
upon arrival - but French haulage unions stoke Strike
fears because 'no trucker wants to deliver' to Britain]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9073729/Britains-supermarket-shelves-Frances-Covid-ban-British-truckers.html

[Nicky91]

on sunday the first EU countries will begin vaccinating


and Netherlands will begin on 8th of January, first 507.000 doses, good for 250.000 people (first ones vaccinated are care workers)

[Cherie]

on sunday the first EU countries will begin vaccinating


and Netherlands will begin on 8th of January, first 507.000 doses, good for 250.000 people (first ones vaccinated are care workers)

Bout time eh :pipe:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/21/11/37100342-9073729-image-a-54_1608551155721.jpg
[Sedat from Turkey
eats a traditional breakfast out of his
lorry as he waits in a service station
on the M20 on December 21 amid the port chaos]

[arista]

From Tomorrow
Spain is stopping UK entry

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

11.212 new cases

49 new hospitalisations (2.162 in total)

6 new ICU patients (586 in total)

31 new deaths

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/21/11/37100352-9073729-image-a-48_1608551087869.jpg
[Claudio from Italy installs a satellite dish
on the side of his cab to watch TV
as he waits for travel restrictions to be lifted]

[user104658]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/21/11/37100352-9073729-image-a-48_1608551087869.jpg
[Claudio from Italy installs a satellite dish
on the side of his cab to watch TV
as he waits for travel restrictions to be lifted]

FFS someone get Claudio a smartphone and an unlimited data package, he surely must realize that he doesn't have to lug around a bloody satellite dish to watch a bit of telly in 2020...

[arista]

FFS someone get Claudio a smartphone and an unlimited data package, he surely must realize that he doesn't have to lug around a bloody satellite dish to watch a bit of telly in 2020...


Yes but he has a FlatScreen 15 inch and that Dish
so you can not blame him for using it.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/21/09/37096432-9074631-image-a-90_1608542816155.jpg

Sainsburys, North London
before 8AM today
Enjoy your 4 Large Corn Beef slices for a pound, Madame.