Coronavirus Outbreak

[AnnieK]

We don't know how bad the economy is, the government may simply not have the money to bail out companies, no matter how unfair it may seem


Honestly, i think there is a lot of burying heads in the sand. If we are always locked down, the economy will suffer. We took an enormous hit locking down in March.

I wish people would set aside politics from all sides, and just take the best decisions for the country and accept them without scoring political points

If the government don't have the money to support their decisions, they shouldn't be imposing these restrictions then. In the long run those who do lose their jobs will be accessing state benefits to try and survive so the money will have to come from somewhere. :shrug:

I don't know what the answer is but to drive people into poverty is not the answer in my opinion

[AnnieK]

Dominic Raab just said the Gov could push us into Tier 3 regardless but who will Police it? If the Gov tells pubs to shut but Burnham tells them to ignore it, who issues the fines? Gov or local councils? All getting very messy and the wheels are now starting to come off. Severe unrest will start soon :worry:

[Zizu]

I'm not a fan of Andy Burnham, he likes the sound if his own voice far too much but I do agree with him that shutting pubs doesn't go far enough. Our rates of infection are ridiculous and stopping people going for a drink but allowing them to do everything else is not going to drive rates down. The support package doesn't go far enough either. Many of the people working in hospitality up here do so for minimum wage....its called minimum wage for a reason....its the least amount of money anyone can be expected to live on and offering two thirds of minimum wage is not enough. Landlords won't accept two thirds of your rent, the council won't accept two thirds of your council tax etc etc. This virus is not going anywhere



I was listening to LBC the other day and the callers were asked to give their experiences of things .. one taxi driver based in our area (Gtr Manchester) was explaining that they were run off their feet at 10pm collecting people from pubs and taking them to someone’s house to carry on partying then going back numerous times to the same pubs and houses .. this idea of a 10pm curfew has just been bypassed up here


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[joeysteele]

And so they should.....lower paid workers should not suffer more at the hands of this virus (and government). Most people live to their means and for the majority of people losing a third of your income is going to cause some problems. For the lower paid workers those problems will translate into hardships - wherever they live in the country.

Absolutely I agree.

That point, it's called the minimum wage for a reason is the real conclusive point.

You shouldn't be expected to receive less.
Especially when government rulings, make it impossible to carry on earning same.

How anyone can think it right to reduce that income from no fault of the workers, is beyond me.

If we haven't the funds, which I doubt, he could find a million to paint a flag on a plane.
They can find endless funds to shove in the brexit chest.
Then borrow it.

Rates are low for borrowing at this time.
The economy is taking a big hit anyway.
Worry about rebuilding the economy once things improve.

However, at the start of this we were told by government that no one must lose out for doing the right thing.
It's amazing those racing to defend the government have seemingly forgot that statement.

Because under the current plans, those just trying to work and do the right thing are going to be heavily penalised and lose out.

I am an admirer of Andy Burnham, frankly I wish he'd been Labour leader nationally myself.
You're not a fan but even you Annie say he is right.
I think he is too.

This tier system has in my view loads of flaws to it.
These ugly threatening tones from government that they will force workers to lose so much.
A third of their incomes.
Is shocking.

While at the same time indicating because Burnham is pushing for more of their salaries kept intact.
Is akin to holding to ransom.

We are in part, paying also in this pandemic for the mess this government has made of most of all needed in this pandemic.
Here all these months on, still in a mess with testing.

Strapped for cash, with what they pay the track and trace managing.
£25,000 reportedly paid a DAY to 5 management consultants.
They can easily find that then.

The government is paying that from taxpayers funds.
Yet those on minimum wage are expected to roll over and accept an effective paycut.

There's reasoned expectations In a crisis and also blatant cruelty.
I know where I put this plan of the government's 3 tier cuts to minimum wage workers incomes.

[AnnieK]

I was listening to LBC the other day and the callers were asked to give their experiences of things .. one taxi driver based in our area (Gtr Manchester) was explaining that they were run off their feet at 10pm collecting people from pubs and taking them to someone’s house to carry on partying then going back numerous times to the same pubs and houses .. this idea of a 10pm curfew has just been bypassed up here


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I always thought the 10pm curfew was laughable anyway. Pushing everyone out onto the streets at the same time was never going to work. People feel they haven't had a proper "night" and were always going to go back somewhere to carry on. If they had done 11pm even it would have been better. There's just no answer to this as a whole. I am a firm believer of just ensuring me and my loved ones are safe and as protected as possible and then just try and live as normal as possible. I wear a mask, social distance and haven't been to a pub since the start of lock down so I can say I've done all I can to avoid the virus. My kid is in school so we've faced 2 lots of isolation but so far have remained healthy. I can't do much more. As I said, I don't know what the answer is but driving people to the point of homelessness and crippling drowning debt doesn't seem right

[joeysteele]

I was listening to LBC the other day and the callers were asked to give their experiences of things .. one taxi driver based in our area (Gtr Manchester) was explaining that they were run off their feet at 10pm collecting people from pubs and taking them to someone’s house to carry on partying then going back numerous times to the same pubs and houses .. this idea of a 10pm curfew has just been bypassed up here


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While I condemn those piling into taxis, also should taxis be letting them do so however.

The rule of close by 10pm and all out, is the government's rule.
Which was always going to create this.

A funeral and wedding can only have limited numbers at them.

Perhaps pubs should have organised booking and more limited occupants particularly closer to the later evening hours.

Stressing the need for still caution rather that throwing caution to the wind.

[Zizu]

While I condemn those piling into taxis, also should taxis be letting them do so however.



The rule of close by 10pm and all out, is the government's rule.

Which was always going to create this.



A funeral and wedding can only have limited numbers at them.



Perhaps pubs should have organised booking and more limited occupants particularly closer to the later evening hours.



Stressing the need for still caution rather that throwing caution to the wind.



It’s a strange one .. can’t expect pubs / clubs to limit their numbers really as huge numbers have been going bust over the years and that was before this nightmare started .. they couldn’t make it pay before so they have no chance with restrictions imposed


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[Nicky91]

corona outbreak in switzerland after yodelling concert

few yodellers were infected with covid-19

so far there are 1,238 cases linked to this yodelling concert

[joeysteele]

It’s a strange one .. can’t expect pubs / clubs to limit their numbers really as huge numbers have been going bust over the years and that was before this nightmare started .. they couldn’t make it pay before so they have no chance with restrictions imposed


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Well they've had to reduce capacity with the social distancing rules on being allowed to re-open.

The 10pm rule was always going to create more congregating.
There's a difference between the customers who are heading out for a few drinks, or a few drinks with a meal possibly too.
Then those determined to be there to the end, possibly for most of the day or evening.

Then at 10 pm meeting up with others from the pub they knew and heading off to homes afterwards.

That can happen at any closing time of course, however at 10,pm , I think it added to the risk more of it happening myself.

Just another ill thought out plan to me.

[bots]

im almost certain that the 10pm curfew was brought in because other countries across europe tried it and it made a difference. The UK is culturally very different from europe regarding pubs and nights out so it was never going to translate well

[Zizu]

im almost certain that the 10pm curfew was brought in because other countries across europe tried it and it made a difference. The UK is culturally very different from europe regarding pubs and nights out so it was never going to translate well



Yep in a nutshell .

Other nations ( apart from the USA) seem to ‘work together’ to make a difference whilst our mentality is ‘how can we work AROUND this’ ..




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[arista]

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6mins of Paul Johnson
he knows his stuff.

[arista]

[Covid: Southall wedding venue hosts 100-guest reception
Police have broken up a wedding reception where
more than 100 guests congregated
in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
The event at the Tudor Rose in Southall,
west London, on Tuesday evening
was described
as a "flagrant and arrogant violation of the law".
The venue's owner has been reported and
could face a fine of up to £10,000.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54564448

[Zizu]

[Covid: Southall wedding venue hosts 100-guest reception
Police have broken up a wedding reception where
more than 100 guests congregated
in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
The event at the Tudor Rose in Southall,
west London, on Tuesday evening
was described
as a "flagrant and arrogant violation of the law".
The venue's owner has been reported and
could face a fine of up to £10,000.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54564448



They’ll all contribute to the fine . £100 each average


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[Nicky91]

Japan will experiment later this month, getting some audiences at sports events again

at three baseball matches to fill up the stadiums for 80%

if this experiment does not lead to more cases, it could be good news for the 2021 summer olympics

[Strictly Jake]

Not sure if its been mentioned yet sorry if it has. But lancashire including where I live are on tier 3 as of midnight. Doesnt make a right lot of difference to me as I still work my university job and I didnt socialise much this year so thats not a big deal either

[Cherie]

Japan will experiment later this month, getting some audiences at sports events again

at three baseball matches to fill up the stadiums for 80%

if this experiment does not lead to more cases, it could be good news for the 2021 summer olympics

Finland had fans when they played Ireland in the Nations League on Wednesday :dance:

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Lancashire moved into
highest level of COVID restrictions
The government has confirmed Tier 3 restrictions
will come into force from 00.01 on Saturday]

[The new restrictions cover Burnley, Blackburn with Darwen,
Blackpool, Chorley, Fylde, Hyndburn, Lancaster,
Pendle, Preston, Ribble Valley, Rossendale,
South Ribble, West Lancashire, Wyre.]


[Bars and pubs across Lancashire will close after local leaders agreed
the county should move into Tier 3 of England's lockdown system.
It means towns such as Blackpool, Blackburn and Fleetwood join
the Liverpool City Region in the highest level of coronavirus restrictions.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-bars-and-pubs-to-close-in-lancashire-as-it-moves-into-tier-3-of-lockdown-system-12105261

[joeysteele]

How can gyms be still open under tier 3 while have to be closed in Liverpool.

Are the conditions of tier 3 set or not.

Or as Liverpool has indicated, is there a tier 3A and a tier 3B.

Plus they've given Lancashire a better package too it seems.

So here it seems the contradictory/confusion reigns again.

[arista]

Not sure if its been mentioned yet sorry if it has. But Lancashire including where I live are on tier 3 as of midnight. Doesnt make a right lot of difference to me as I still work my university job and I didnt socialise much this year so thats not a big deal either


Yes Tier 3 agreed.

[arista]

How can gyms be still open under tier 3 while have to be closed in Liverpool.

Are the conditions of tier 3 set or not.

Or as Liverpool has indicated, is there a tier 3A and a tier 3B.

Plus they've given Lancashire a better package too it seems.

So here it seems the contradictory/confusion reigns again.


Yes it appears to be 3A and 3B

[arista]

[Pret A Manger to shed another 400 jobs as recovery stalls over pandemic]

adding more to their 2,800 staff shed. (August)

https://news.sky.com/story/pret-a-manger-to-shed-another-400-jobs-as-recovery-stalls-over-pandemic-12105524

[Nicky91]

netherlands: today's numbers and news about NOC/NSF appeal for sports

7,997 new cases

total of 1,553 hospitalisations (increase of 27) 345 on the ICU

17 new deaths


Minister of Sports Tamara van Ark has said No Exceptions for other sports events

so it is just the Eredivisie, KKD (dutch first division) football whom go on without audiences, and regular daily testing

we need to postpone few sports events to maintain some order, and in order to regain control of this virus, too much events might be too risky, so after these next 4 weeks we will see if other sports competitions can resume again (such as hockey, handball, basketball, baseball)

[bots]

There's growing alarm in Germany at how fast the virus is spreading, and there's growing public frustration with the patchwork of restrictions that apply to different parts of the country.

In Berlin - which is badly affected - the authorities had ordered bars and restaurants to close at 23:00 (21:00 GMT).

On Friday morning, following an application from a number of establishments who argued that they were not the source of rising case numbers, a city court overturned the order - although a ban on the sale of alcohol after 23:00 remains in place.

The ruling calls into question one of the few measures agreed upon for high-risk areas by the leaders of Germany's 16 states. They are also at odds over whether to ban people from so-called hotspots staying in hotels in the rest of the country.

[arista]

Johnson is Live at 4PM all media

[joeysteele]

Johnson is Live at 4PM all media

Time to get some indigestion pills out again.
What's he to blabber on about now.
Anything remotely relevant?

Or does no one know?

[AnnieK]

Time to get some indigestion pills out again.
What's he to blabber on about now.
Anything remotely relevant?

Or does no one know?

Probably that he's quietly slipping a no deal Brexit through

[joeysteele]

Probably that he's quietly slipping a no deal Brexit through

So he may be trying to tell the truth for once then Annie.:joker:

[arista]

Live Now


With Chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance and
Public Health England's Dr Susan Hopkins.

[arista]

He has not yet reached an agreement with Greater Manchester.

[Zizu]

Time to get some indigestion pills out again.

What's he to blabber on about now.

Anything remotely relevant?



Or does no one know?



Either Beth Rigby or Sam Coates will know what he’s going to say .. one of them will tell us exactly what he will say , how he’ll stand and what he will be wearing just before he steps on screen and then immediately afterwards they’ll tell us what he’s just said but in fewer , shorter , easier to understand sentences ..

If it’s Sam Coates he will have that usual smug smile on his face whilst he tells us .


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[Zizu]

He has not yet reached an agreement with Greater Manchester.



I just don’t understand how he can give us in Gtr Manchester better terms than the rest of the country - how would that be fair ?


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[arista]

136 have Died today

15,650 have tested today with Covid-19.

Patients in hospital
5,311

Patients in ventilator beds
580

43,429 the Total amount of Deaths






https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

I just don’t understand how he can give us in Gtr Manchester better terms than the rest of the country - how would that be fair ?


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Yes if he gives them Extra Cash to Burnham
all of UK will also want extra CASH

[joeysteele]

Yes if he gives them Extra Cash to Burnham
all of UK will also want extra CASH

They should all get the same but with no one particularly on the minimum wage getting less than that.

As has been said, losing a third from your income.
Doesn't mean you can pay a third less to bills, mortgages and shopping.

Forced to not be at work should not leave anyone poorer.

[Cherie]

Very frustrating that people cannot seem to modify their behaviour, the older age brackets might be dying, but the younger generations are storing up years of economic hardship ahead of them

[arista]

Very frustrating that people cannot seem to modify their behaviour, the older age brackets might be dying, but the younger generations are storing up years of economic hardship ahead of them


Yes they are not aware (or do not care)
they are Spreading Deadly Covid-19

[Zizu]

Just as thought ...

This second wave is being driven by the 16 - 29 especially in the North and midlands


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[Nicky91]

There's growing alarm in Germany at how fast the virus is spreading, and there's growing public frustration with the patchwork of restrictions that apply to different parts of the country.

In Berlin - which is badly affected - the authorities had ordered bars and restaurants to close at 23:00 (21:00 GMT).

On Friday morning, following an application from a number of establishments who argued that they were not the source of rising case numbers, a city court overturned the order - although a ban on the sale of alcohol after 23:00 remains in place.

The ruling calls into question one of the few measures agreed upon for high-risk areas by the leaders of Germany's 16 states. They are also at odds over whether to ban people from so-called hotspots staying in hotels in the rest of the country.

yes Merkel actually wanted restrictions to be a lot stricter than PM Ramelow has said

[Cherie]

Agree with Bojo it wont help reduce the spread in high risk areas by locking down low risks ones

[arista]

Patrick Vallance informed the PM
he missed one

The Final Pressman
brings in Brexit.


He did 44mins

[arista]

Just as thought ...

This second wave is being driven by the 16 - 29 especially in the North and midlands


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Yes Bleedin' Youngers

[Nicky91]

Agree with Bojo it wont help reduce the spread in high risk areas by locking down low risks ones

no, people must be ordered to stay home

and only leave with correct paperwork for essential things such as grocery shopping, they did this in Italy first wave, and that was quite effective

[bots]

Agree with Bojo it wont help reduce the spread in high risk areas by locking down low risks ones

Exactly, my area is something like 30 per 100000 at the moment, if the government enforced a national lockdown, they would just tell them to **** off and not comply

Manchester will be in tier 3 by Monday, whether they like it or not

[LukeB]

We're basically going to be playing hide and seek with corona because lockdown is not going to beat the virus it would just stop the cases from going higher for a few weeks and it will go back up again.

[arista]

Exactly, my area is something like 30 per 100000 at the moment, if the government enforced a national lockdown, they would just tell them to **** off and not comply

Manchester will be in tier 3 by Monday, whether they like it or not


Yes its getting worse there
It will have to be Forced onto the Mayor

[The Slim Reaper]

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[AnnieK]

Exactly, my area is something like 30 per 100000 at the moment, if the government enforced a national lockdown, they would just tell them to **** off and not comply

Manchester will be in tier 3 by Monday, whether they like it or not

We will, I'm positive of it.

[Scarlett.]

So here in Blackpool, all the coaches that fill the hotels have been cancelled cause of tier 3... but we've not been officially closed. Basically we're being left to go under.

**** the Tories

[arista]

So here in Blackpool, all the coaches that fill the hotels have been cancelled cause of tier 3... but we've not been officially closed. Basically we're being left to go under.

**** the Tories


Tier 3 is a Health Issue

[Zizu]

Any thoughts on when the uk ‘circuit breaker’ will come into force and how long it will last ??

I’ve heard vibes that it’s on the cards and will be at ‘short notice’ ....





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[arista]

Any thoughts on when the uk ‘circuit breaker’ will come into force and how long it will last ??

I’ve heard vibes that it’s on the cards and will be at ‘short notice’ ....





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If it does come it should be longer than what Labour ask for
I would say 2 Months.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Exactly, my area is something like 30 per 100000 at the moment, if the government enforced a national lockdown, they would just tell them to **** off and not comply

Manchester will be in tier 3 by Monday, whether they like it or not

Andy Burnham needs to get a grip on his area

[Scarlett.]

Tier 3 is a Health Issue

We're not being paid furlough or anything because we've had to close, we've not been ordered to close, but since everyone is advised not to travel here, there is no business. We're being royally screwed over.

[joeysteele]

If it does come it should be longer than what Labour ask for
I would say 2 Months.

I think IF it does come, I now agree with you.
After this more procrastination it will need to be more than less than a month.
2 at least I agree with that.

There wasn't a glowing confidence from anyone at that press conference that the localised lockdowns or tier system will prove successful enough.

Hence even this inept PM now adding he CANNOT rule anything out.

[bots]

they can bring in all sorts of stricter lockdowns, but the fact is, people aren't prepared to abide by the lighter restrictions, so they wont follow the heavier ones either, thats been proven already in places like Manchester and liverpool, that already had restrictions in place with no effect.

A lockdown just wont work now, people need to want to abide by the restrictions and they just don't. Also, before anyone says it should be enforced, are the police really going to enter peoples home and question the people that are there to see if they are breaking a rule? I don't want to live in a country like that

[Kizzy]

I think these local lockdowns are a joke...we're an island 600 miles from one end to the other! There is no feasible way to keep the uk working and contain it...none.

[Zizu]

I think these local lockdowns are a joke...we're an island 600 miles from one end to the other! There is no feasible way to keep the uk working and contain it...none.



Plus we’re so densely ( both meanings) populated ..


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[joeysteele]

I think these local lockdowns are a joke...we're an island 600 miles from one end to the other! There is no feasible way to keep the uk working and contain it...none.

Really good point that Kizzy.

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Here is what I feel will happen, there'll be another full 2 week lockdown or 'circuit breaker'. If that doesn't work then we'll follow the barrington declaration.

[arista]

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[bots]

there is zero point in having a national lockdown when half the country doesn't have uncontrolled infection rates and the other half have shown they ignore restrictions. All it would achieve is an economic meltdown

[Zizu]

there is zero point in having a national lockdown when half the country doesn't have uncontrolled infection rates and the other half have shown they ignore restrictions. All it would achieve is an economic meltdown



It’s very , very concerning what’s happening in this country and every other country as well ..


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[Cherie]

there is zero point in having a national lockdown when half the country doesn't have uncontrolled infection rates and the other half have shown they ignore restrictions. All it would achieve is an economic meltdown

Why people are clamouring for a two week lockdown is beyond me, the NE has been in some form of lockdown since March to no avail, how is a two week break going to help

[Ammi]

It’s very , very concerning what’s happening in this country and every other country as well ..


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...I guess that’s because ‘concerning’ started with the virus, Zizu...it’s taken the world back to a time before advance of medicine, type thing...we’ve lived in a world of ‘..back in the day when that virus was deadly etc’...but never really fully lived it...but now...the good thing is that the advancements of medicines will mean it will be controlled relatively quickly...(...in controlling new virus terms, that is...)...and it’s also to see how we can minimise this from happening again for future generations...

[Zizu]

Why people are clamouring for a two week lockdown is beyond me, the NE has been in some form of lockdown since March to no avail, how is a two week break going to help



I’d give the nation a ten day warning to stock up on food and necessities then I’d like to see a full FOUR WEEK lockdown as before but for schools to close COMPLETELY this time .

Have the bare minimum people working ( protect and reward them like never before )


Then we’d hopefully see the infection and R rate drop substantially .

They could use that ten days plus the four weeks to fine tune the track and trace system ..


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[bots]

I’d give the nation a ten day warning to stock up on food and necessities then I’d like to see a full FOUR WEEK lockdown as before but for schools to close COMPLETELY this time .

Have the bare minimum people working ( protect and reward them like never before )


Then we’d hopefully see the infection and R rate drop substantially .

They could use that ten days plus the four weeks to fine tune the track and trace system ..


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Why would you do that when half the country .... millions of people, are not having an issue with infection rates. It's completely illogical and would only serve to piss the people off. They are being penalised for no reason, other than some selfish twats in another region of the country not following restrictions

[Zizu]

Why would you do that when half the country .... millions of people, are not having an issue with infection rates. It's completely illogical and would only serve to piss the people off. They are being penalised for no reason, other than some selfish twats in another region of the country not following restrictions

That was my first draft :)



In that case ... we could target the main cities /areas who are in serious trouble.. the lockdown would have to be policed though .. can’t trust the general public sadly


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[Cherie]

Well target the main cities /areas who are in serious trouble.. the lockdown would have to be policed though .. can’t trust the general public sadly


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If people were told to stock up on necessities as the supermarkets were closing there would be anarchy, the shops close for one day at Christmas look what happens

[Ammi]

...people who live in those restricted areas are being ‘penalised’ as well...people like Annie and Scarlett and Lucas etc who have followed rules but are still having so many restrictions on their lives ...I hate how this is all being divisive because it’s been led down the road of dividing by media and social media...and we really didn’t need that, did we...we were already quite a divided country...the ‘haves and the have nots’...’the restricted and the restricted nots or not so much’...and if that not so much in restrictions continues, will it lead to a huge rise and then those same restrictions...but restrictions after deaths rather than potentially preventing...and then all of it is levelled off with the economy/business etc...it really is much layered...

[joeysteele]

I’d give the nation a ten day warning to stock up on food and necessities then I’d like to see a full FOUR WEEK lockdown as before but for schools to close COMPLETELY this time .

Have the bare minimum people working ( protect and reward them like never before )


Then we’d hopefully see the infection and R rate drop substantially .

They could use that ten days plus the four weeks to fine tune the track and trace system ..


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Yes.
The time would need to be used to fully ensure at local levels, all that was needed to react and deal with quickly any future rises was in place.

Also the testing, to use the time to ensure that is fully efficient and reliable.

The reason it should be nationwide us that ALL areas end up in much the same place.

The crowing of some places having few issues at present, that's fine for them, for NOW.
It doesn't mean they won't be in the future.

Cornwall is harping on its okay.
If many more areas shut down, there'll be no one heading to Cornwall from other areas, if they end up in the fuller restrictions.

We are supposed to one nation.
The national circuit breaker whatever, would put ALL in the same place for a short period again.
Something like 3 to 5 weeks.

Get the testing issues fixed to as near perfect as possibke, use the time to engage and build up local areas to have the means and plans to act instantly on further rises.

These on/ off local lockdowns aren't working, the tier system clearly has flaws and is inconsistent.in its content if you can have variations in areas in tier 3.

I agree with you.
A full national circuit breaker would send the message that things are very concerning again.


It shouldn't be months, not should it need to be.
However we need it, I feel now, to firstly get everything right as much as possible, prepared and in place, and have Government concentrating on that, rather than constantly having to re- assess area by area, with this tier of restriction and then another one.
Then bringing them out of it only to be put back in it again.

Time and resources are being wasted NOW in the on/ off lockdowns.
Far better close all unnecessary things down for a regrouping period of 4 weeks possibly as you mention.

I'm not sure of sticking up on food, you'd get the nitwits buying near all and leaving nothing for those less able to.
We managed before with the essential.shops open.

I'd support that totally.

[Ammi]

....we can’t ever and shouldn’t ever completely close and lockdown schools...for some children, their school is their only place of safety...

[bots]

Quite simply a national lockdown wont achieve anything. Those in regions where strict restrictions are necessary are rebelling against them already, those areas will only get better when people want to respect the rules, and they have shown no evidence that they ever will. There is a reason that those areas never reduced the infection rate like other areas .... they always ignored the restrictions. Obviously it's not the whole populations of those areas, but it is a sufficient number to cause a problem.

The initial lockdown in March was a completely different situation. Everything was a complete unknown, we didn't know how extensive the virus was, people were in panic. That is no longer the situation and any lockdown would be 90% less effective than March. It just won't work, and there is enough evidence from areas of high infection to show that any form of lockdown is completely pointless

[Ammi]

...I guess how I feel...(...and it’s just more guesswork for all of us because we’re in the unknown...)...is that the majority in those areas are abiding by the rules and following safety precautions etc...but they’re being ‘penalised’ for that minority because it’s showing what a difference a careless minority can make...for other areas...?...I doubt they’ll ‘avoid’ so it’s more a matter of ‘when’, rather than ‘if’ for most...the areas being penalised just happen to be the first because there are always firsts in everything but most will follow...because there will always be a ‘minority’ also...

[Zizu]

....we can’t ever and shouldn’t ever completely close and lockdown schools...for some children, their school is their only place of safety...



They will be safer if fewer people were dying though... currently thought to be between 45,000 and 70,000 new infections DAILY and increasing 70% each 7 days !!
Imagine the possible number of seriously poorly / deaths in around 28 days .. and getting worse quickly

This is a real scary period


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[joeysteele]

Over half of the Country is now in some form of restrictions and it's not having the effect needed.

It couldn't be possible could it to be seen by those opposing a more National circuit breaker, that the localised lockdowns aren't seen as serious.
It's not just those out to pubs or the young who are not impressed with the local restrictions.

Whereas a national circuit breaker for weeks.
Could help drive the message home things are deadly serious again.
With the whole Nation put in the same boat again.

I see on TV when they ask people of all ages just in shopping centres, saying they don't believe LOCAL lockdowns work.

Whereas they complied with the earlier 3 month+ full lockdown.

OR do we just allow more unnecessary deaths of loved ones again.
Is that really a price worth paying for some, REALLY!!
Because it definitely under no circumstances is a price worth paying for myself.
Just my view, however there it is.

[Zizu]

Quite simply a national lockdown wont achieve anything. Those in regions where strict restrictions are necessary are rebelling against them already, those areas will only get better when people want to respect the rules, and they have shown no evidence that they ever will. There is a reason that those areas never reduced the infection rate like other areas .... they always ignored the restrictions. Obviously it's not the whole populations of those areas, but it is a sufficient number to cause a problem.



The initial lockdown in March was a completely different situation. Everything was a complete unknown, we didn't know how extensive the virus was, people were in panic. That is no longer the situation and any lockdown would be 90% less effective than March. It just won't work, and there is enough evidence from areas of high infection to show that any form of lockdown is completely pointless



Sadly it’s looking as though the lockdown rules are gonna have to be enforced .... using the armed forces is one option that has been mentioned


We can’t carry on at this pace .. Winter is approaching and hospitals nearly full as we speak .


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[bots]

Sadly it’s looking as though the lockdown rules are gonna have to be enforced .... using the armed forces is one option that has been mentioned


We can’t carry on at this pace .. Winter is approaching and hospitals nearly full as we speak .


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i mentioned it before, but to enforce it, the police would need to enter peoples homes and inspect them .... because thats where the major problem is. The moment that happens, i will be off to live in another country

[Ammi]

They will be safer if fewer people were dying though... currently thought to be between 45,000 and 70,000 new infections DAILY and increasing 70% each 7 days !!
Imagine the possible number of seriously poorly / deaths in around 28 days .. and getting worse quickly

This is a real scary period


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...yeah, of course it’s scary, Zizu...it’s the most scary and horrid thing...but even before the virus, that ‘scary and horrid’ was faced by medical people every day, people like paramedics, for instance...?...the dilemmas of ‘if only one life could possibly be saved.../...a young child, an elderly person, someone with vulnerable health issues etc...we obviously want to save and preserve every life, every single one...we know that’s the ‘ideal’ and what is aimed for...but we also know that it isn’t always possible in every situation...we can’t ‘sacrifice’ the lives of children...and many of those children have already ‘lost their childhoods’ to circumstances.../...children in foster families etc...

[Cherie]

Over half of the Country is now in some form of restrictions and it's not having the effect needed.

It couldn't be possible could it to be seen by those opposing a more National circuit breaker, that the localised lockdowns aren't seen as serious.
It's not just those out to pubs or the young who are not impressed with the local restrictions.

Whereas a national circuit breaker for weeks.
Could help drive the message home things are deadly serious again.
With the whole Nation put in the same boat again.

I see on TV when they ask people of all ages just in shopping centres, saying they don't believe LOCAL lockdowns work.

Whereas they complied with the earlier 3 month+ full lockdown.

OR do we just allow more unnecessary deaths of loved ones again.
Is that really a price worth paying for some, REALLY!!
Because it definitely under no circumstances is a price worth paying for myself.
Just my view, however there it is.

The whole nation dies not want to be in the same boat, that has been clear from the start with NI, Scotland and Wales following their own rules

[Zizu]

i mentioned it before, but to enforce it, the police would need to enter peoples homes and inspect them .... because thats where the major problem is. The moment that happens, i will be off to live in another country



Desperate times need desperate measures .. .we could be facing food rations .. who knows


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[Zizu]

The whole nation dies not want to be in the same boat, that has been clear from the start with NI, Scotland and Wales following their own rules



Maybe that’s part of the problem

If they want to make their own rules up maybe we have to totally close our borders / links with them till this is under control ?





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[Cherie]

The other thing that strikes me as useless is that the messaging is going out in English language only, have had a message from our Council this morning on our neighbourhood group about the new restrictions only in English, my area is 70 per cent Asian, the leader of the council is Indian heritage, put it out there in other languages so people can read for themselves and not get the information second hand

[bots]

In March, there was zero data available. Everyone believed they were under the same risk of dying basically. Now we know what age groups are affected most and what areas are affected. It's not possible to lock people down who don't believe it's necessary. It's a gross invasion to their personal liberty. Any law requires the consensus acceptance by the majority of the population or it's worthless, it can't be enforced. A national lockdown would not have the consensus of the majority of the population, so it wouldn't be effective.

[joeysteele]

The whole nation dies not want to be in the same boat, that has been clear from the start with NI, Scotland and Wales following their own rules

Oh well, that speaks volumes.

However the whole Nation didn't want the first lockdown of months either.
Once though the UK government enforced it, then they had to abide by it.

Actually, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland have acted in more like unison.
That's because with their devolved governing bodies they were able to set their own ways of dealing with this.

In the main it's been England at times through this pandemic, that's lagged behind and procrastinated, eventually following one or more of those other nations.

I was in my post referring however to England.
Hence saying Country rather than Countries.

[Cherie]

Oh well, that speaks volumes.

However the whole Nation didn't want the first lockdown of months either.
Once though the UK government enforced it, then they had to abide by it.

Actually, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland have acted in more like unison.
That's because with their devolved governing bodies they were able to set their own ways of dealing with this.

In the main it's been England at times through this pandemic, that's lagged behind and procrastinated, eventually following one or more of those other nations.

I was in my post referring however to England.
Hence saying Country rather than Countries.

We were in a totally different place in March with regard to where infections were in the country

Actually most people were happy to go into lockdown and it was very successful

[bots]

We were in a totally different place in March with regard to where infections were in the country

Actually most people were happy to go into lockdown and it was very successful

as i recall, toward the end of lockdown people had already had enough, they were out at the seaside in their thousands etc before lockdown had finished. People are just not understanding what life in a democracy is. People wont do another lockdown


Many will say it was Cummings being caught that changed peoples opinions, and it certainly had an effect in retrospect, but even look at that SNP MP recently ... no further action being taken by the police ..... says it all really

[joeysteele]

We were in a totally different place in March

Well I'm sorry to seem unimpressed however I feel we are not that far away from that again.
Especially with Winter looming too.

We may lose fewer loved ones, however with something like again now, over 100 deaths averaging daily, pushing to between 700 to 1000 a week now.

Infections rising, estimated to be doubling every 2 weeks or less.

If course we're In a different place to March and SHOULD be too.
We shouldn't be in the mess of half the Country in lockdowns or restrictions.

Hence why a regrouping 3 to 4 week period NOW, rather than months as in March could be the better way to reset
To get back to even just where we were in August, when things really were opened up too.much, too quickly in my view.

You won't agree however I think that, more than fiddling about with local.lockdowns, restrictions, tier tripe.
Would give the chance to concentrate all efforts and minds on really preparing for the Winter period.

I'm sorry but in any circumstances, hundreds to possibly over 1000 deaths again weekly, is not and NEVER will be anything I want to see.
I'd want that halted in any way possible

Plus those rising death figures are on the government's own changed 28 day only rule, unlike in March too.

We never see the full science or data anyway, so we've no idea how far away or closer we're really heading to where we were in March too.

[Cherie]

Well I'm sorry to seem unimpressed however I feel we are not that far away from that again.
Especially with Winter looming too.

We may lose fewer loved ones, however with something like again now, over 100 deaths averaging daily, pushing to between 700 to 1000 a week now.

Infections rising, estimated to be doubling every 2 weeks or less.

If course we're In a different place to March and SHOULD be too.
We shouldn't be in the mess of half the Country in lockdowns or restrictions.

Hence why a regrouping 3 to 4 week period NOW, rather than months as in March could be the better way to reset
To get back to even just where we were in August, when things really were opened up too.much, too quickly in my view.

You won't agree however I think that, more than fiddling about with local.lockdowns, restrictions, tier tripe.
Would give the chance to concentrate all efforts and minds on really preparing for the Winter period.

I'm sorry but in any circumstances, hundreds to possibly over 1000 deaths again weekly, is not and NEVER will be anything I want to see.
I'd want that halted in any way possible

Plus those rising death figures are on the government's own changed 28 day only rule, unlike in March too.

We never see the full science or data anyway, so we've no idea how far away or closer we're really heading to where we were in March too.

According ro Patrick Vallance the R is between 1.3 and 1.7 so nowhere near where we were in March so measures are controlling it, people need to get it into their heads we have to live with this virus, and modify the way we live, that is the message that needs to be driven home, not lock down for two weeks then everyone thinks they can return to normal service

[joeysteele]

According ro Patrick Vallance the R is between 1.3 and 1.7 so nowhere near where we were in March so measures are controlling it, people need to get it into their heads we have to live with this virus, and modify the way we live, that is the message that needs to be driven home, not lock down for two weeks then everyone thinks they can return to normal service

He also states it's not the only figure that should be selectively taken into consideration.
In fact that was argued many times on here too.
As many others state daily on all news programming.

Plus we won't and can't be at normal service for likely many more months or years.

A few weeks to regroup and ensure all are on the same page, plus the testing sorted to be more efficient and reliable.
That to me, is the best way.

It's not yours obviously which is your right.
I'm not going to change your mind, you are not going to change my mind.

However speaking ONLY for my own and myself, I and in fact all my own family and friends, do not want anyone losing their loved ones unnecessarily.
These local restrictions and local lockdowns have NOT and still won't be preventing that.

The full Country lockdown did bring them down.

That R figure is difficult too, to fully account without the adequate efficient testing in place.
Hence with the still mess of testing after all these months, a resetting of that in my view needs to be done too.
With all minds and efforts on it.

I'm repeating myself here anyway.
So, nice talking to you however we just do not agree.
Pure and simply.

I support an at least 3 week Country circuit breaker.
So actually does the science.

[AnnieK]

Tier 3 doesn't go far enough. You can still go in a pub it you're buying food, you can still go in shops, you can still stay in hotels etc etc. Its just half hearted. I would rather be told we have to lock down fully (regionally) until cases drop to a sufficient level. Close the schools, unis, colleges. Stop public transport and restrict numbers in supermarkets again. Going at it half hearted just closing drink based pubs is not going to do anything

[Kizzy]

I like the idea of a circuit break too, it is effectively isolation for the whole country. It makes sense logically if everyone quarantines then there'll effectively be a reset created that will reduce the number infected considerably.
This could mean the difference between our hospitals being totally swamped and not?

But it has to be everyone or nobody, pockets of differing measures are useless. If we do this nationally and there's no change then we have to face the fact it may have to run...And look after each other the best we can.

[arista]

Tier 3 doesn't go far enough. You can still go in a pub it you're buying food, you can still go in shops, you can still stay in hotels etc etc. Its just half hearted. I would rather be told we have to lock down fully (regionally) until cases drop to a sufficient level. Close the schools, unis, colleges. Stop public transport and restrict numbers in supermarkets again. Going at it half hearted just closing drink based pubs is not going to do anything


Yes its a mess.
Great points Annie

Other nations that have been Strict
have got the numbers down

[Kizzy]

Lock down isn't lock down if gastropubs, schools, unis and non essential workplaces and shops are open. It's totally pointless. Of course businesses are going to balk at the idea but it has to be done...the alternative is facing a situation where the virus is once again out of hand and control, that scenario has to be avoided at all costs.

[Cherie]

He also states it's not the only figure that should be selectively taken into consideration.
In fact that was argued many times on here too.
As many others state daily on all news programming.

Plus we won't and can't be at normal service for likely many more months or years.

A few weeks to regroup and ensure all are on the same page, plus the testing sorted to be more efficient and reliable.
That to me, is the best way.

It's not yours obviously which is your right.
I'm not going to change your mind, you are not going to change my mind.

However speaking ONLY for my own and myself, I and in fact all my own family and friends, do not want anyone losing their loved ones unnecessarily.
These local restrictions and local lockdowns have NOT and still won't be preventing that.

The full Country lockdown did bring them down.

That R figure is difficult too, to fully account without the adequate efficient testing in place.
Hence with the still mess of testing after all these months, a resetting of that in my view needs to be done too.
With all minds and efforts on it.

I'm repeating myself here anyway.
So, nice talking to you however we just do not agree.
Pure and simply.

I support an at least 3 week Country circuit breaker.
So actually does the science.

Wondering how you feel about Andy Burnham's stance in Manchester? do you think he is putting wealth before health? or is it a bit more complex then that, locking down is all well and good but the problems it creates will be far greater?

[Lewismacfarlane]

I've now got a bit of a cold I'm worried now

[Kizzy]

Why are the mayors being consulted? They weren't last time it just happened :/
I like the idea of the places more severely impacted being supported better though financially.

[Cherie]

Does anyone know what is happening in Wuhan now? are they in lockdown still, no news at all coming out of there

[Cherie]

I've now got a bit of a cold I'm worried now

Coronavirus symptoms
These include a high temperature, new continuous cough, or a loss or change in your sense of taste and smell.

[The Slim Reaper]

Does anyone know what is happening in Wuhan now? are they in lockdown still, no news at all coming out of there

Deliveroo are bringing me my bat soup so I think they're all good.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Coronavirus symptoms
These include a high temperature, new continuous cough, or a loss or change in your sense of taste and smell.

I don't have any of the others though

[Zizu]

i mentioned it before, but to enforce it, the police would need to enter peoples homes and inspect them .... because thats where the major problem is. The moment that happens, i will be off to live in another country



Boris has apparently threatened ‘draconian methods’ are an option ..


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[AnnieK]

I don't have any of the others though

Then chances are you just have a cold.

[Cherie]

Then chances are you just have a cold.

.

[Zizu]

According ro Patrick Vallance the R is between 1.3 and 1.7 so nowhere near where we were in March so measures are controlling it, people need to get it into their heads we have to live with this virus, and modify the way we live, that is the message that needs to be driven home, not lock down for two weeks then everyone thinks they can return to normal service



50,000 to 70,000 new infections each day , increasing by 70% week on week is hardly controlling things tbh


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[Cherie]

Boris has apparently threatened ‘draconian methods’ are an option ..


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I think we might be back to Nicky snipers ..taking people out if they venture outside their front door :laugh:

[Cherie]

50,000 to 70,000 new infections each day , increasing by 70% week on week is hardly controlling things tbh


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All we know is the R was above 3 in March, so you can double the numbers above

[joeysteele]

Wondering how you feel about Andy Burnham's stance in Manchester? do you think he is putting wealth before health? or is it a bit more complex then that, locking down is all well and good but the problems it creates will be far greater?

No he's not, he's rightly pointing out you can't or shouldn't force people to NOT be able to work when they are employed and can.
Then only guarantee them two thirds of their income.
They can't just pay two thirds of their mortgages or bills

If on a minimum wage, what does minimum mean, it's they should get that minimum as income..
Then the government is saying they can only get two thirds of it.

Of course that's wrong and Burnham is right.
I usually agree with Burnham I admit.
However what on earth is wrong with wanting livelihoods protected.

Yes, I agree with Burnham on this issue.
He isn't, as neither are the public health and science advisors convinced that the tier system will be effective.

To impose it and cut two thirds of peoples incomes in a single swoop.

No, that's way wrong in my view.
To anyone on the minimum wage it should be even more wrong too.

This government said months ago, NO ONE should lose out or be penalised for doing the right thing.

Did you disagree with the government then.
I didn't, I supported that wholly.
It's their stance that's changed not Andy Burnham's actually.

[joeysteele]

Tier 3 doesn't go far enough. You can still go in a pub it you're buying food, you can still go in shops, you can still stay in hotels etc etc. Its just half hearted. I would rather be told we have to lock down fully (regionally) until cases drop to a sufficient level. Close the schools, unis, colleges. Stop public transport and restrict numbers in supermarkets again. Going at it half hearted just closing drink based pubs is not going to do anything

I 100% agree there Annie.

[bots]

let me just say, that if people were genuinely concerned about the virus getting out of control, they wouldn't be quibbling about a few quid in their pay packet for a couple of weeks, they would do what it takes to protect the health of the city. The simple fact is that they don't see the virus as a thing that could affect them.

[Nicky91]

I think we might be back to Nicky snipers ..taking people out if they venture outside their front door :laugh:

:(

you know i didn't really mean that

you can also just have military with hazmat gear, patrolling streets, and just have people fill in forms, if they really have to leave their homes for a good reason (pharmacy, supermarket, doctor)

it worked in Italy, also France did this in first wave, i also heard about Spain same thing, few dutch people who live there reported that on our local radio back at the time of first wave

[AnnieK]

let me just say, that if people were genuinely concerned about the virus getting out of control, they wouldn't be quibbling about a few quid in their pay packet for a couple of weeks, they would do what it takes to protect the health of the city. The simple fact is that they don't see the virus as a thing that could affect them.

With all due respect BOTs that few quid in the paypacket on minimum wage could mean the difference between making rent, heating the house or feeding your kids. Its rather simplistic to say that they don't think the virus will affect them. Its more about what will affect them worse.

[joeysteele]

let me just say, that if people were genuinely concerned about the virus getting out of control, they wouldn't be quibbling about a few quid in their pay packet for a couple of weeks, they would do what it takes to protect the health of the city. The simple fact is that they don't see the virus as a thing that could affect them.


That's a shocking generalisation.
I know of people on the minimum wage who couldn't support their homes or families on a cut of a third of their incomes.

Ignore the government saying no one should lose out for doing the right thing all you like.
It's grossly unfair.

Plus I'd guess most, if not near all, facing a possible cut in their income DO worry too about their own health, the health of others and lives of others.
Plus the lives of their own loved ones especially.

What about looking at it another way, just for a couple of weeks just ensure they don't lose out on their livelihoods, rather than actually force people to be penalised for doing the right thing.

Unbelievable.

[joeysteele]

With all due respect BOTs that few quid in the paypacket on minimum wage could mean the difference between making rent, heating the house or feeding your kids. Its rather simplistic to say that they don't think the virus will affect them.


Exactly.
It's heartless to expect such a large cut to income.

When they can find endless funds for brexit costs and any other thing that arises.
Even a million to paint an aeroplane.

Paying track and trace consultants £ 25,000 a DAY, as was revealed yesterday on news broadcasts.
Plenty funds for that then.
Not for those on minimum wages however.

[Ammi]

...just to expand out beyond the U.K...

'On the brink of disaster': Europe's Covid fight takes a turn for the worse...


“It’s not a word I’ve heard in a long, long time,” an elderly Paris resident said, leaving her apartment in mask and gloves for an early expedition to the shops. “A curfew. That’s for wartime, isn’t it? But in a way I suppose that’s what this is.”

Europe’s second coronavirus wave took a dramatic turn for the worse this week, forcing governments across the continent to make tough choices as more than a dozen countries reported their highest ever number of new infections.

In France, 18 million people in nine big cities risk a fine from Saturday if they are not at home by 9pm. In the Czech Republic, schools have closed and medical students are being enlisted to help doctors. All Dutch bars and restaurants are shut.

Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Poland are among countries to have broken daily case records, prompting the World Health Organization to call for an “uncompromising” effort to stem the spread.

Unfortunately, that requires making all but impossible compromises.


...full article...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brink-disaster-europes-covid-fight-131425056.html

[bots]

I won't apologise for my opinions which I stand by 100% ...people have a right to disagree of course, but I am not being heartless, simply realistic

[user104658]

I won't apologise for my opinions which I stand by 100% ...people have a right to disagree of course, but I am not being heartless, simply realisticThe thing is Bots if you think it's realistic for everyone to do without a portion of their pay (isn't it 1/3 at this point?) then you're not actually being realistic, and it's an opinion that can only be coming from a place of having enough income or savings to be able to take a pay cut and still handle the basics.

I could take a fairly hefty household income hit and still pay for the roof over our heads, basic bills and food at this point but as recently as 5 years ago that would not have been the case; a 1/3 pay reduction would have meant at the very least unpaid bills, and probably a risk of eviction, just to keep food on the table.

Realistically, people are going to be willing to take on quite a high degree of risk to avoid catastrophic life changes like that, it doesn't mean they don't think things are serious.

[smudgie]

I won't apologise for my opinions which I stand by 100% ...people have a right to disagree of course, but I am not being heartless, simply realistic

The reality is we are all going to find a difference.
Be it lifestyle or financially.
The amount to be paid by government will drop, the question is can the hospitality section survive or not, then the large sway of unemployment to follow.
I don’t see it as heartless at all, unfortunately steps have to be taken, and the country can’t afford to subsidies companies long term.

[arista]

1317445692005052416


This is Crazy
Why no Masks?

[AnnieK]

The long term hit of people facing years on state benefits when they are low skilled workers will be worse than a short term crutch to support the industries hardest hit at the moment.

I wouldn't expect you to apologise for your opinion BOTs and I won't apologise or change mine. Being realistic is fine.....the very real problem people who are already teetering on the poverty will face will be to heat or eat this winter and I can never accept that is a reasonable thing for anyone to face

[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

8,141 new cases

now 1,568 in hospital (increase of 15) 352 on the ICU

28 new deaths

[Nicky91]

1317445692005052416


This is Crazy
Why no Masks?

they do not care about what governments, doctors, scientists have to say

they think this whole pandemic is a hoax, or a lot of overreacting at least in the media

[joeysteele]

The long term hit of people facing years on state benefits when they are low skilled workers will be worse than a short term crutch to support the industries hardest hit at the moment.

I wouldn't expect you to apologise for your opinion BOTs and I won't apologise or change mine. Being realistic is fine.....the very real problem people who are already teetering on the poverty will face will be to heat or eat this winter and I can never accept that is a reasonable thing for anyone to face

I agree.
Is this really where we are going to now even in this pandemic.

No one is saying it has to be permanent.
I don't even call it assistance.
It should be just decent and right to not want anyone doing the right thing, particularly forced to as to livelihoods by the government, for them to lose out on their incomes.

Sorry no apologies from me for saying this, it's cruel if they are made to.
It's wrong.

[Ammi]

...that’s the reality of the ‘divide’ though...the ‘haves and have nots’ and the have nots, already struggling on poverty line, won’t be able to survive on a cut to that poverty line...and that’s the reality being faced by many, sadly...and isn’t that what society and governments do, support those ‘have nots’ at times when it’s needed most to enable that survival...and we’re definitely facing a ‘need most’ time...

[bots]

The long term hit of people facing years on state benefits when they are low skilled workers will be worse than a short term crutch to support the industries hardest hit at the moment.

I wouldn't expect you to apologise for your opinion BOTs and I won't apologise or change mine. Being realistic is fine.....the very real problem people who are already teetering on the poverty will face will be to heat or eat this winter and I can never accept that is a reasonable thing for anyone to face

I fundamentally disagree with all the restrictions, they are futile. It is them that are now causing people to suffer, We are in October, we can't stay with these levels of restrictions until April and there is no evidence that any of them are working, and they certainly can't work in the long term. What is the point of having a lockdown for 2 or 4 weeks when we have a further 4 or 5 months after that.

The restrictions are only being applied to force people to social distance, something we should all be doing by default. I'm not crazy for believing that a critical % of the population will never social distance and restrictions cannot be applied for months on end because it's unenforceable and less and less people will put up with it

[AnnieK]

Losing a third of minimum wage earnings on a 37.5 hour week is going from £327 per week to £218 gross per week before any deductions if their employer is able to enrol them on the new scheme and if they can provide them with some work and if they can afford to pay them for some hours they don't work. That's already a lot of ifs. But let's say they are on the scheme and getting two thirds of their wage....average council rent (not private) is around £90 per week, council tax will be about £40 per week, gas and electric around £30ish per week, water probably £15 and then they have to pay any other bills then they have to eat. That is the reality people will be facing. Its not something I would want to have to face.

[Cherie]

The sooner people get on board with the fact that while the illness itself affects the older generation, the economic illness affects every one the better

[Liam-]

The sooner people get on board with the fact that while the illness itself affects the older generation, the economic illness affects every one the better

The illness affects most groups of people, not just the elderly

[user104658]

Losing a third of minimum wage earnings on a 37.5 hour week is going from £327 per week to £218 gross per week before any deductions if their employer is able to enrol them on the new scheme and if they can provide them with some work and if they can afford to pay them for some hours they don't work. That's already a lot of ifs. But let's say they are on the scheme and getting two thirds of their wage....average council rent (not private) is around £90 per week, council tax will be about £40 per week, gas and electric around £30ish per week, water probably £15 and then they have to pay any other bills then they have to eat. That is the reality people will be facing. Its not something I would want to have to face.To be fair most people living on minimum wage will also be on universal credit and thus any drop in wage is likely to result in either part of housing costs being paid, council tax reduction (maybe even zero council tax) etc.

I know that about 8/9 years back when we were muddling through on 1x minimum wage we weren't paying any council tax and got about 1/3 of our rent money from Housing Allowance (which is now part of UC).

But that of course opens up the other side of the dumb financial decisions; they're cutting furlough from the current 80% to 67%... Why? To save money? But then they'll just be paying that same money out in increased Universal Credit anyway so what's the point?

[Cherie]

The illness affects most groups of people, not just the elderly

You know I meant seriously ill or fatally, very few young people are dying from it

[Cherie]

To be fair most people living on minimum wage will also be on universal credit and thus any drop in wage is likely to result in either part of housing costs being paid, council tax reduction (maybe even zero council tax) etc.

I know that about 8/9 years back when we were muddling through on 1x minimum wage we weren't paying any council tax and got about 1/3 of our rent money from Housing Allowance (which is now part of UC).

But that of course opens up the other side of the dumb financial decisions; they're cutting furlough from the current 80% to 67%... Why? To save money? But then they'll just be paying that same money out in increased Universal Credit anyway so what's the point?

I was going to say that a drop in earning would mean an increase in benefits but thought maybe that had changed as nobody mentioned it

Maybe because there was some fraudulent furlough claims its better to do it this way..I don’t know

[Nicky91]

You know I meant seriously ill or fatally, very few young people are dying from it

yes, it can be fatal to those with underlying health conditions so those young people are also among the vulnerable whom we need to protect

and also it is not all youth whom are not sticking by the rules, i mean there is still a very good amount who can do that

most who can't are either between 25-45 and mostly it are those with very active social lives, the kind who love to party, go to pubs

how we can reach those people to try and ask them to stay home, i also do not know

and of course those go protesting if you close down pubs, take away their nights out, but they need to be more aware they can spread the virus onto elderly and the more vulnerable which currently they aren't

[user104658]

The illness affects most groups of people, not just the elderlyIt's very heavily skewed toward affecting the elderly the worst and (from what we know thus far) barely touches under-30's... At least to the extent that healthy younger people don't need to be much more scared of it than they are of other endemic viruses that we live with every day without a second thought. The immediate risks, anyway. We don't know huge amounts about long term side effects just yet.

However it's not even as simple as saying people don't have to worry if that's the case; if we just let it run riot, emergency departments and ICU's (and healthcare services in general) will be swamped and that really does affect everyone.

People talk about getting more hospitals open, getting more equipment manufactured, making sure we have enough ventilators... When the critical point is, there aren't enough staff. There aren't enough respiratory/ICU trained medical doctors or nurses. And it doesn't matter how much money you throw at that... You're talking half a decade at least to train more (AND that's assuming you can get enough signing up). The other option being to import staff from abroad which is riddled with other issues. The first being that the govt. would need to be offering some cast-iron guarantees that people who come here to work in the NHS aren't going to be deported as soon as they're no longer needed, but secondarily it means that we'd be tempting nurses away from countries that also need them as much as if not more than we do which has some pretty large ethical implications.

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[Cherie]

yes, it can be fatal to those with underlying health conditions so those young people are also among the vulnerable whom we need to protect

and also it is not all youth whom are not sticking by the rules, i mean there is still a very good amount who can do that

most who can't are either between 25-45 and mostly it are those with very active social lives, the kind who love to party, go to pubs

how we can reach those people to try and ask them to stay home, i also do not know

and of course those go protesting if you close down pubs, take away their nights out, but they need to be more aware they can spread the virus onto elderly and the more vulnerable which currently they aren't

Maybe the penny will drop when there is nothing left as most social venues have gone under and it costs an arm and a leg to get on a plane

[Zizu]

Maybe us older ones .. over 50 will just have to accept our fate ..??

Survival of the fittest ..


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[Kizzy]

If they do this circuit break the govt will have to make sure nobody loses out obviously. Of course people shouldn't be expected to lose wages and businesses affected will have to be compensated.

Nobody said it would be easy or without financial consequences, but what is the alternative?

I've seen and heard the backlash to this but nothing in the way of alternative solutions.

[LukeB]

I’m surprised panic buying hasn’t started again. I wonder if people learned there wasn’t need to do it from last time.

[arista]

Labour Manchester are now saying Johnson
is not calling them on Sunday AM.

So maybe it's now Monday.


Ref: Live Times Radio DAB and free online

[Cherie]

]I’m surprised panic buying hasn’t started again[/B]. I wonder if people learned there wasn’t need to do it from last time.

Because they are still working their way through a garage full of toilet roll

[bots]

Labour Manchester are now saying Johnson
is not calling them on Sunday AM.

So maybe it's now Monday.


Ref: Live Times Radio DAB and free online

He will be down Wetherspoons for his Sunday lunch

[arista]

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[arista]

Today 150 have Died

16,171 have Tested Covid-19 today.


Patients in hospital
5,608

Patients in ventilator beds
592

43,579 is the Total deaths from Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Coronavirus: Liverpool mayor says brother has died after contracting virus

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-liverpool-mayor-says-brother-has-died-after-contracting-virus-12106317

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: our RIVM said this partial lockdown might have to last until december at least, and it might take a while before we see any effect of these strict measures either

[Zizu]

Netherlands: our RIVM said this partial lockdown might have to last until december at least, and it might take a while before we see any effect of these strict measures either



Sounds like a fair assessment .. you may even get a decent Christmas if things have calmed down substantially


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Beso]

No st baliar...


An his paedophilia.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

No st baliar...


An his paedophilia.



Yes Blair broke the Rules flying to USA

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Liam-]

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[Nicky91]

also in Germany it isn't that bad as media says it is

the majority of new cases, are more regional clusters, and they quarantine those immediately

where we dutch are ''dark red'' majority of the nation, same as UK also quite a lot of ''red'' zones

Germany overall has a low of ''low infection, light yellow'' areas, with a few cluster ''red'' areas


the real reason Merkel wants even stricter measures is that she doesn't want her country to become as bad as some neighbour countries around them

[bots]

i was speaking to friends in Manchester and they were saying they regularly meet up with other friends in their houses, they are not going to stop and everyone they know is doing the same .... so what's the point in having restrictions

[Zizu]

i was speaking to friends in Manchester and they were saying they regularly meet up with other friends in their houses, they are not going to stop and everyone they know is doing the same .... so what's the point in having restrictions



That’s what we’re up against around here

It’s demoralising and totally unfair .




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[arista]

I was speaking to friends in Manchester and they were saying they regularly meet up with other friends in their houses, they are not going to stop and everyone they know is doing the same .... so what's the point in having restrictions

Yes it is a problem.

And now the Police are having access to
Track and Trace data
which will upset many.

[AnnieK]

To be fair though, not everyone in Manchester is doing that. I have not been in anyone's house other than my dad's (support bubble) since we were told not to and the majority of my friend's are adhering too.

The problem is we are not seeing any examples coming from the Gov.....ministers have admitted to breaching the 10pm curfew in the commons bar, the Scottish MP hasn't been prosecuted, Cummings came out with the eye test bollocks. They want people to adhere they need to lead by example because you bet a pound to pinch of **** there have been loads of other breaches

[Cherie]

I don’t really get the Cummings or Margaret Covid comparison, the only ones we are hurting is ourselves, they will be fine, their jobs are safe for now so it’s a cut off your nose to spite your face argument

I also think it’s disingenous as many more will be following the rules but they get ignored in favour of oh but so and so isn’t following so it’s an easy way out

[arista]

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[Zizu]

To be fair though, not everyone in Manchester is doing that. I have not been in anyone's house other than my dad's (support bubble) since we were told not to and the majority of my friend's are adhering too.

The problem is we are not seeing any examples coming from the Gov.....ministers have admitted to breaching the 10pm curfew in the commons bar, the Scottish MP hasn't been prosecuted, Cummings came out with the eye test bollocks. They want people to adhere they need to lead by example because you bet a pound to pinch of **** there have been loads of other breaches



Well it’s obviously not everyone but it’s far , far more than it should be ..


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[bots]

To be fair though, not everyone in Manchester is doing that. I have not been in anyone's house other than my dad's (support bubble) since we were told not to and the majority of my friend's are adhering too.

The problem is we are not seeing any examples coming from the Gov.....ministers have admitted to breaching the 10pm curfew in the commons bar, the Scottish MP hasn't been prosecuted, Cummings came out with the eye test bollocks. They want people to adhere they need to lead by example because you bet a pound to pinch of **** there have been loads of other breaches

Yeah, i'm sure the vast majority are following the rules, it's for our own safety at the end of the day. The problem is that even 5 or 10% not following the rules in a city the size of Manchester is a lot of people and it exponentially rises from them.

[arista]

Today 67 died


16,982 New Covid-19 Cases today

Patients in hospital
5,608

Patients in ventilator beds
592

Total Deaths Covid-19: 43,646

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Covid vaccines rolling off the Pfizer production
line in thousands of tiny bottles as professor
claims Oxford-Astra Zeneca shot will be rolled out by December

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8852159/The-video-world-longed-Covid-vaccines-rolling-production-line.html

[Zizu]

85% of Gtr Manchester’s intensive care beds are in use .


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[Kizzy]

Covid vaccines rolling off the Pfizer production
line in thousands of tiny bottles as professor
claims Oxford-Astra Zeneca shot will be rolled out by December

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8852159/The-video-world-longed-Covid-vaccines-rolling-production-line.html

Please God let this work!

[arista]

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With some of Today's Irish Papers

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Italian PM Conte wants new stricter measures now to prevent another lockdown

Italy sees another rise in new cases

[arista]

Italian PM Conte wants new stricter measures now to prevent another lockdown

Italy sees another rise in new cases


Yes they must go back to Strict measures

[arista]

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[Strictly Jake]

Had a bit of a chuckle earlier

Do you know when the weather gets colder and the geese all fly in big groups. Well when I was walking earlier I heard geese up above expecting to see a large group like I usually would see. But I saw 4. They were all equally distanced from each other. I was like well at least they got the memo!

[arista]

Had a bit of a chuckle earlier

Do you know when the weather gets colder and the geese all fly in big groups. Well when I was walking earlier I heard geese up above expecting to see a large group like I usually would see. But I saw 4. They were all equally distanced from each other. I was like well at least they got the memo!


Thats nice.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/19/09/34562528-0-image-m-7_1603096965701.jpg
[Do a deal today or else: Ministers threaten to
FORCE Tier 3 lockdown on Greater Manchester
as Boris 'offers £100m' to settle row - but Tory
civil war rages as northern MPs
accuse government of 'throwing us under the bus']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8854575/Do-deal-today-Ministers-threaten-FORCE-Tier-3-Greater-Manchester.html

[Cherie]

1318089425235156992

can someone tell me what will happen differently at the end of this circuit breaker that didn't happen in June?

[bots]

i wish these so called experts would just cut the crap and put over the message consistently that people need to blinking social distance. It's simple, and it doesn't need 1 million different restrictions .... people just need to do it

[Cherie]

i wish these so called experts would just cut the crap and put over the message consistently that people need to blinking social distance. It's simple, and it doesn't need 1 million different restrictions .... people just need to do it

that's it, and if they aren't doing it now, what will change after a 3 week lockdown, in fact people in low infection areas will say sod it, may as well do what we like as its the same outcome anyway

the other thing that amused me yesterday on Marr was the Labour shadow saying they could use the 3 week lock down to fix test and trace, why do we have to be locked down for that to happen?

[Cherie]

Had a bit of a chuckle earlier

Do you know when the weather gets colder and the geese all fly in big groups. Well when I was walking earlier I heard geese up above expecting to see a large group like I usually would see. But I saw 4. They were all equally distanced from each other. I was like well at least they got the memo!

we love geese :love:

[arista]

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[arista]

Ireland has 5 Tiers.

They are on Tier 3
Expected to go to level 4 or 5,
for 4 or 6 weeks, but not find out until 9PM this evening.


Meanwhile, Wales is going for a Lockdown
is on the way to start Saturday
expected to find out at 12:15PM today.


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[Ammi]

Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi In Hospital With Coronavirus...


Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi is being treated in hospital for pneumonia after contracting Covid-19.

The Bolton South East MP, who also serves as Keir Starmer’s shadow international development minister, is 57 and contracted the virus two weeks ago.

The MP said in a statement on Facebook that she had been admitted to the Royal Bolton Hospital on Saturday and had isolated at home since testing positive.

The statement reads: “Two weeks ago, I began to feel unwell. I then tested positive for Covid-19, so my family and I immediately self-isolated at home. I have not travelled to Westminster or anywhere else.

“I continued to work as best I could remotely, attending virtual meetings and doing casework, but after 10 days, I began to feel much worse and on Saturday I was admitted to the Royal Bolton Hospital with pneumonia.

“I’m being very well looked after and have nothing but praise and admiration for the wonderful staff at the hospital. They have been amazing throughout the process and I would like to extend my thanks to everyone working here in such difficult circumstances.

“Although I am currently in hospital, my staff are continuing to work as normal – if you have any issues that you need help with, please get in touch by contacting the office on qureshiy2@parliament.uk.”

Her constituency is in Greater Manchester, which has been placed in tier 2 restrictions amid rising cases and hospitalisations.

Boris Johnson wants to escalate the area into the highest alert level, tier 3, but the move is being resisted by local leaders – including mayor Andy Burnham.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/labour-mp-yasmin-qureshi-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-100844405.html

[arista]

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A Labour MP
she can thank Burnham for this.

[bots]

Do you think she will do a drive by wave for her constituents? Donny did :wavey:

[Nicky91]

Do you think she will do a drive by wave for her constituents? Donny did :wavey:

:joker::joker:

[Nicky91]

across europe then amid second wave

Austria: as of last friday, outdoors groups of maximum 12 people allowed, at events where there are only seating areas maximum of 1.000 people, and people remain seated, no clapping, cheering, talking and at all times wearing a mask is required

Belgium: today will go stricter measures into effect, pubs and restaurant must close for a month, and there will be a curfew at midnight till 5:00 AM

Italy: all pubs/restaurants/bars must close at 18:00 PM, groups of maximum 6 are allowed, festivals/events are banned amid this second wave

[user104658]

Nov/Dec/Jan are going to be the "real" peak of Covid in Europe unfortunately, because it's a respiratory infection, and they're worse in the winter months. To be honest, we're wuite lucky that Covid struck when it did (early Spring) - early enough for it to rise significantly enough to be taken seriously, but heading out of the Winter months.

If the first wave was hitting right now, being caught off guard like we were in March/April but heading into Winter, things would have been a LOT worse.

[bots]

Nov/Dec/Jan are going to be the "real" peak of Covid in Europe unfortunately, because it's a respiratory infection, and they're worse in the winter months. To be honest, we're wuite lucky that Covid struck when it did (early Spring) - early enough for it to rise significantly enough to be taken seriously, but heading out of the Winter months.

If the first wave was hitting right now, being caught off guard like we were in March/April but heading into Winter, things would have been a LOT worse.

i would have thought mid january after loads of people ignore covid and meet up with family at Christmas is when it's going to be horrendous

[Nicky91]

Nov/Dec/Jan are going to be the "real" peak of Covid in Europe unfortunately, because it's a respiratory infection, and they're worse in the winter months. To be honest, we're wuite lucky that Covid struck when it did (early Spring) - early enough for it to rise significantly enough to be taken seriously, but heading out of the Winter months.

If the first wave was hitting right now, being caught off guard like we were in March/April but heading into Winter, things would have been a LOT worse.

things are gonna look more horrible in Netherlands than some other countries in europe

with our lacklustre rubbish RIVM, partial lockdown isn't enough, we need a full lockdown, people staying home all the times, and a curfew too so not too many people on the streets


people cannot listen on its own, because they are like animals who have a desire sadly enough to socialize

this second wave will be much worse than first wave

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/19/11/34567216-0-image-m-19_1603104969507.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8854575/Do-deal-today-Ministers-threaten-FORCE-Tier-3-Greater-Manchester.html

[arista]

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Leeds

[Nicky91]

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Leeds

good reason enough why a curfew should happen in UK too

[arista]

Wales goes into Lockdown
from Friday.


[Wales will enter a two-week circuit breaker lockdown from 6pm on Friday
First Minister Mark Drakeford has said non-essential retail,
leisure and hospitality businesses will close.
People will be told to work from home wherever possible,
with exceptions for critical workers.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-news-live-latest-updates-wales-expected-to-make-decision-on-circuit-breaker-lockdown-12103666

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54598136

[Zizu]

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Greater Manchester's ICU capacity could be overwhelmed by 12 November

The number of coronavirus patients in intensive care in Greater Manchester is expected to "worsen significantly", according to the prime minister's spokesperson.

If nothing changes, the ICU capacity could be full of COVID-19 patients by 8 November - with the "surge" capacity expected to be overwhelmed four days later - they said.

Cases in the over 60s have continued to rise in Greater Manchester, tripling between 27 September and 12 October.

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[AnnieK]

They need to open the Nightingale again. I read that it is not unusual for ICU to be at 80%+ capacity at this time of year but factor in covid patients and its going to be rough going.

[user104658]

They need to open the Nightingale again. I read that it is not unusual for ICU to be at 80%+ capacity at this time of year but factor in covid patients and its going to be rough going.

The problem with the dedicated Covid hospitals is that there are simply not enough ICU-trained staff to run them and properly staff the actual hospital ICU's at the same time.

Like I've said before, there's a general perception sometimes that "a nurse is a nurse" and "a doctor is a doctor" and they can just be redeployed from elsewhere but that's just not the case... Nightingale full of Covid patients without the staff to treat them is basically a disaster.

[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

8,015 new cases

now 1,738 in hospital of which 379 on the ICU

17 new deaths

[Nicky91]

despite coronacrisis netherlands will still welcome 152 refugees from Syria

and there has been a deal now, that we will see 2000 more refugees until 2023

[Zizu]

despite coronacrisis netherlands will still welcome 152 refugees from Syria

and there has been a deal now, that we will see 2000 more refugees until 2023



2,000 a day , week , monthly ?


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[arista]

80 have died today


18,804 New Covid-19 cases



43,726 Total Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Patients in hospital
5,608

Patients in ventilator beds
592

[Nicky91]

2,000 a day , week , monthly ?


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in total until 2023

[Cherie]

Wales going into a two week lock down from Friday, businesses in low infection areas not happy

Primary school children will return after half term and years 7 and 8 but the remainder will be home learning.

[Beso]

Lock us up until xmas fgs.

[bots]

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Health Secretary Matt Hancock has been seen travelling in his chauffeur-driven car without wearing a mask - against the advice of No 10.

Members of the public face fines of £200 if they fail to wear a covering in taxis or private hire cars.

There is an exemption for chauffeur-driven cars, but Downing Street said it had advised all its ministers to wear coverings.

A No 10 spokesman said there were masks available in all ministerial cars.

The BBC has contacted Mr Hancock's office for comment.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Cherie]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2020/10/19/2b94e0bf-9abd-4775-b635-75b2be215c0a.jpg

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has been seen travelling in his chauffeur-driven car without wearing a mask - against the advice of No 10.

Members of the public face fines of £200 if they fail to wear a covering in taxis or private hire cars.

There is an exemption for chauffeur-driven cars, but Downing Street said it had advised all its ministers to wear coverings.

A No 10 spokesman said there were masks available in all ministerial cars.

The BBC has contacted Mr Hancock's office for comment.

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I don’t think I have ever seen him with a mask on

[arista]

6PM this Friday
Wales goes into a Full Lockdown for 17 days?


Will that help, or just not make much of change
it is a bit short in days?

[Zizu]

I don’t think I have ever seen him with a mask on



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[Cherie]

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[arista]

6PM this Friday
Wales goes into a Full Lockdown for 17 days?


Will that help, or just not make much of change
it is a bit short in days?


Posting again,
any responses?

[bots]

it wont make any difference at all, but at least it will provide some proof that it doesn't work to all those calling for it in England

[Cherie]

Posting again,
any responses?

Its a plaster, they came out of lockdown after all the other nations as well so that didn’t help either

[arista]

Ireland is going to Level 5 until the 1st of Dec.
to be announced tonight,


Ref:Ch4HDnews

[arista]

it wont make any difference at all, but at least it will provide some proof that it doesn't work to all those calling for it in England


Yes I agree
17 days is to short.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EktocJdXgAAYt0A?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Ammi]

The one thing that could ‘change the game’ for tackling COVID in Europe, according to WHO...

The World Health Organization (WHO) has insisted effective contact tracing is the “game changer” in dealing with the coronavirus.

The WHO’s Dr Michael Ryan suggested many European countries are falling short following the second wave of cases across the continent.

Speaking at a press conference on Monday, Dr Ryan reiterated contact tracing is the best tool, in the absence of a vaccine, of restricting the virus.

“As a public health physician, if I was asked for one thing that I could improve that could change the game… that is making sure that each and every contact of a confirmed case is in quarantine for the appropriate period of time so as to break chains of transmission.


...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/who-contact-tracing-coronavirus-europe-174140056.html

[arista]

Ireland has moved to the Highest level 5
from Weds Midnight for 6 weeks.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-irelands-govt-agrees-to-six-weeks-of-tightest-coronavirus-restrictions-report-12108678


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[arista]

Coronavirus:
Greater Manchester given midday deadline to make Tier 3 lockdown deal

[Leaders in Greater Manchester
have been given a deadline of midday on Tuesday
to reach a deal with the government
over the area's Covid restrictions.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-greater-manchester-given-midday-deadline-to-make-tier-3-lockdown-deal-12108816

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54609165

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[Cherie]

Yes I agree
17 days is to short.

It will be extended if there is no drop in infections, disastrous for places like Pembrokeshire where infections are very low

[arista]

Coronavirus: Rapid one-hour tests now available
for Italy and Hong Kong passengers at Heathrow

Cost £80
pre-booked

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-rapid-one-hour-tests-now-available-for-italy-and-hong-kong-passengers-at-heathrow-12108853


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[bots]

It will be extended if there is no drop in infections, disastrous for places like Pembrokeshire where infections are very low

ireland has gone into what appears to be a pretty permanent lockdown ... this is just all economically devastating .... and Germany and France won't be able to bail out the EU from this