Coronavirus Outbreak

[reece(:]

Then leave us out of it!!!! As the SE and SW got to be with the tiers!

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[bots]

furlough extended

[arista]

furlough extended

Yes important move

[arista]

Good he is doing media questions.

[Beso]

Just want to say something today....


I love you all

[Crimson Dynamo]

On Monday you go to your new Tiers 5

no we dont

[arista]

no we dont


Scotland does go to New Tiers 5 on Monday
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/five-level-coronavirus-alert-system-to-begin-on-monday?top

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scotland does go to New Tiers 5 on Monday
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/five-level-coronavirus-alert-system-to-begin-on-monday?top

yes the system goes live

but i am tier 2 and cases are levelling due to that fact we acted in SEPTEMBER due to Nicola

[bots]

Scotland does go to New Tiers 5 on Monday
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/five-level-coronavirus-alert-system-to-begin-on-monday?top

it starts a tiered system on monday, but no area (at the moment) is going in to the top tier

[arista]

yes the system goes live

but i am tier 2 and cases are levelling due to that fact we acted in SEPTEMBER due to Nicola

OK we will see on Monday

[The Slim Reaper]

Scotland does go to New Tiers 5 on Monday
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/five-level-coronavirus-alert-system-to-begin-on-monday?top

yes the system goes live

but i am tier 2 and cases are levelling due to that fact we acted in SEPTEMBER due to Nicola

it starts a tiered system on monday, but no area (at the moment) is going in to the top tier

OK we will see on Monday

:joker:

[Denver]

Pubs, restaurants and non essential shops have to close on Thursday

[arista]

[Coronavirus: England to enter month-long
lockdown from Thursday, PM announces
Until 2 December, people in England will only
be allowed to leave their homes for specific reasons,
such as education, work or food shopping.
Mr Johnson, speaking at a Downing Street
news conference on Saturday evening,
said he was having to act now because
there was "no alternative".]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-england-to-enter-month-long-lockdown-from-thursday-pm-announces-12120114

[Beso]

He looked and sounded like me at the end..

I always say and mean it when I do.

"Stay safe"

[The Slim Reaper]

So when it was just the north it was 67%, and now the south are involved it's 80%? Hmmm

[Josy]

it starts a tiered system on monday, but no area (at the moment) is going in to the top tierWe are already in a tiered system, it gets looked at again on Monday where they may add another level (which is what I think Arista may be referring to)

My area has been in tier 3 but is more than likely going into 4 which at this moment is the highest

[arista]

Furlough scheme
80% of Salary, again.


From Thurs 5th Nov - 2nd Dec. Weds.

[AnnieK]

So when it was just the north it was 67%, and now the south are involved it's 80%? Hmmm

Hmmmm funny that isn't it?

[bots]

We are already in a tiered system, it gets looked at again on Monday where they may add another level (which is what I think Arista may be referring to)

My area has been in tier 3 but is more than likely going into 4 which at this moment is the highest

my area in the SE was doing really well up until the last couple of weeks, now its jumping up. If people get through this winter (there is a long way to go yet) without big restrictions they should consider themselves lucky i think

[bots]

So when it was just the north it was 67%, and now the south are involved it's 80%? Hmmm

yes, I raised an eyebrow at that too

[Strictly Jake]

He hopes we will be able to be with our fams at christmas. Doubtful


Hopes that this will be almost over by spring. Very doubtful!

[Zizu]

Hairdressers
will be Angry.



They’ve all got back doors in their premises...


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[Cherie]

yes the system goes live

but i am tier 2 and cases are levelling due to that fact we acted in SEPTEMBER due to Nicola

Tbf the NE has been locked down since July for all the good it has done

[Cherie]

Tier one to full lockdown overnight, sigh..

Hoped our government would be braver than this

Gutted for you guys where is the incentive to keep to the guidelines if the final outcome is the same

[Cherie]

So when it was just the north it was 67%, and now the south are involved it's 80%? Hmmm

Didn’t they have to negotiate with each area for the top up package? It’s only 4 weeks so no time to go across the board, when it reverts to Tiers the top up negotiations will be reinstated on a case by case basis, that’s my reading of it

[bots]

Gutted for you guys where is the incentive to keep to the guidelines if the final outcome is the same

i think things have changed pretty significantly in the last couple of weeks, even in low areas of infection and that's what is causing the more general concern.

My behaviour won't be changing anyway as i've been sticking to the rules throughout

[joeysteele]

Good to see the old mantra back.
Although since I'm apparently thick and got told lockdowns are ONLY to protect the NHS.
I wonder why he added stay home and save lives to the protect the NHS again included slogan too.

If it's not about saving lives too that is.

[Vanessa]

Good to see the old mantra back.
Although since I'm apparently thick and got told lockdowns are ONLY to protect the NHS.
I wonder why he added stay home and save lives to the protect the NHS again included slogan too.

If it's not about saving lives too that is.
I think they need to control the boarders better
Otherwise we'll never get rid of the virus.

[joeysteele]

I think they need to control the boarders better
Otherwise we'll never get rid of the virus.

Yes I agree.

[bots]

the strategy should be to drive the virus down, make sure no-one gets in that has the virus and test and trace effectively. But it all relies on people social distancing and too many people are just not doing it. If people don't social distance, the numbers of infected go up too high and its impossible to test and trace. Also, people need to not be disadvantaged that should be isolating. It should be treated as a service to the country rather than becoming a member of the unclean

[Zizu]

the strategy should be to drive the virus down, make sure no-one gets in that has the virus and test and trace effectively. But it all relies on people social distancing and too many people are just not doing it. If people don't social distance, the numbers of infected go up too high and its impossible to test and trace. Also, people need to not be disadvantaged that should be isolating. It should be treated as a service to the country rather than becoming a member of the unclean



There’s a middle aged woman crying on Sky News .. she said it makes no sense we can go into supermarkets but not hairdressers or tattoo parlours ...

We’re doomed


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[Cherie]

There’s a middle aged woman crying on Sky News .. she said it makes no sense we can go into supermarkets but not hairdressers or tattoo parlours ...

We’re doomed


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It wasn’t me, had my hair cut last week :dance:

[Vanessa]

I might have to get Amazon prime or Netflix.
I still warm my movie fix :laugh:

[bots]

There’s a middle aged woman crying on Sky News .. she said it makes no sense we can go into supermarkets but not hairdressers or tattoo parlours ...

We’re doomed


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yeah supermarkets are just not up there in terms of importance :laugh:

[Vanessa]

I think I will keep doing my food shopping online.
Much safer that way.

[utopianman]

I think I will keep doing my food shopping online.
Much safer that way.

totally agree but which firms are actually offering the food delivery service atm

[Vanessa]

totally agree but which firms are actually offering the food delivery service atm

I'm using Iceland, because they always have delivery slots available.

[utopianman]

I'm using Iceland, because they always have delivery slots available.

oh wow didnt know that great tip thanks,whats the food like?
we have co ops around here, some deliver

[Vanessa]

oh wow didnt know that great tip thanks,whats the food like?
we have co ops around here, some deliver

It's good. Plenty of fresh and also frozen stuff.

[Marsh.]

So the North have made their own bed they can lie in it.

...but when London requires a lockdown, the entire country is "in it together"?

[arista]

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[AnnieK]

So the North have made their own bed they can lie in it.

...but when London requires a lockdown, the entire country is "in it together"?

Yep....the R rate was decreasing in the North but rising in the South so lets make sure the southern people don't feel victimised and lock em all down.

[Ammi]

...the North/South divide...Get it Done...


....poor Dom Cummings was filled with fine integrity until he went up to the North and the North filled with him irony and irony...he could barely see an inch in front of him with that Northern irony..../...evil North...

[Ammi]

...Annie, sort this out...what on Earth up there...?...

[Cherie]

So the North have made their own bed they can lie in it.

...but when London requires a lockdown, the entire country is "in it together"?

Yep....the R rate was decreasing in the North but rising in the South so lets make sure the southern people don't feel victimised and lock em all down.

Say what now? Wasn’t Bradford going into Tier 3 on Monday? And Nottingham had just moved, not aware of any movement in the South, maybe I missed it? the victimhood is real :laugh:

Spare a though for the Tier 1s, they are the victims in this latest move

[AnnieK]

Say what now? Wasn’t Bradford going into Tier 3 on Monday? And Nottinghsm had just moved, not aware of any movement in the South, maybe I missed it? the victimhood is real :laugh:

Spare a though for the Tier 1s, they are the victims in this latest move

The R rate in London has been higher than the northwest all week. Liverpool rates are dropping due to Tier 3. The northern tier 3 areas were expected to cope on 67% of wages and be happy about it but now the surge is creeping south, furlough is back on the table and everything is shut.

I agree the south west have been hit hardest as they have had it under control but there is no victimhood from me Cherie, just stating facts from a Northern perspective.

[joeysteele]

It's actually really worrying that such an uncompromising opportunist like Johnson is in place for this pandemic.
Along with his yes Prime Minister Cabinet sheep.

His dangerous procrastination should be a worry for all other than his also hard-line supporters.

My thoughts are with and go out to those who've lost hundreds of loved ones again, possibly unnecessary too.

Then he again fails to put any official shielding in place even just for those who want or need it.
Never mind the ones willing to take risks while mixing in Stores with others.

This is at best over 3 weeks overdue, at worst near 6 weeks overdue from being called for by the science advice on 21st September.

How high have death figures risen in those last 6 weeks.
Even just on his manipulated 28 day diagnosis rule to record the deaths too.

There's over 1000 deaths a week again over the last 2 weeks.
That's a lot of loved ones left grieving, a lot of children losing their Grandparents.
Friends and neighbours being lost before their time.

When this man rolls out things like to save Christmas etc.
After holding back and insisting almost he'd never do another national lockdown.
It's nauseating.
As I admit my response will be to him.

He is not up to this challenge, he never has been.
He wasn't in March and isn't now as he's repeating the same procrastination he did then.

This needed a separate body dealing with this.
Not to be dealt with from the agenda Johnson likely has.

Just over a week ago, he insisted furlough could not be extended, he'd been very generous and it couldn't be afforded now.
That only two thirds of wages could now be guaranteed, in local lockdowns.
No more than that.

Now he can, put in the 80% again and extend furlough.
Which Labour, the SNP's Ian Blackford and all other parties have been calling for over the last 2 months now.

It couldn't be done he insisted.
Yet yes it can.

It's right it has been.
It shouldn't have been left to the day it ended to announce it's extension however.

You cannot trust or believe a word he says.
He's hopeless, utterly hopeless.

In any major business , he and his whole team would be OUT.
Rightly so too.

The leadership is woeful.
Hapless Hancock,how on earth is that waste of political space still in his job.

If this ends 2nd December, 3 weeks before Christmas, just watch the pushing most or everyone out to go Christmas shopping, get towns and cities buzzing again.

It's not easy sitting in an armchair criticising the handling of this pandemic by this PM and his whole inept team.
Because Sunak too said furlough couldn't be extended and there was no more funding to be had on that scheme.
Caution thrown to the wind again.

It would be good to be able to say, he's even doing his best.
However he's not.
His delaying in implementing action has cost lives.
From March and is again now in my view.
Unnecessary losses of lives are not to me, and should never be acceptable.

That question was asked of him and his extremely gloomy bookends yesterday.
No answer came as to lives that could have been avoided with earlier action on a national lockdown.
Scandalous.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

The R rate in London has been higher than the northwest all week. Liverpool rates are dropping due to Tier 3. The northern tier 3 areas were expected to cope on 67% of wages and be happy about it but now the surge is creeping south, furlough is back on the table and everything is shut.

I agree the south west have been hit hardest as they have had it under control but there is no victimhood from me Cherie, just stating facts from a Northern perspective.

Im not happy about lockdown at all, I think he bottled it due to Germany and France closing, they should have waited, although hospital beds in some area are at maximum? when the 4 weeks are over areas will go back on Tiers so if what the rate keeps falling in Liverpool and Manchester you will be back on Tier 2 or maybe even 1 so back to work, I said it previously on the thread they were engaging with individual areas regarding the top up packages but now for 4 weeks its a blanket approach and will then revert back, people need to get it into their heads we could be on Tiers for a long time, so the South will be on 67% at some point don’t you worry about that!

[arista]

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[bots]

to all those directing their anger at the government, try blaming the people who are not social distancing, they are the ones to blame

[arista]

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[arista]

to all those directing their anger at the government, try blaming the people who are not social distancing, they are the ones to blame



Very True

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

4 weeks could be extended if numbers don’t fall far enough :skull:

[arista]

4 weeks could be extended if numbers don’t fall far enough :skull:

Yes Xmas Cancelled

[bots]

4 weeks could be extended if numbers don’t fall far enough :skull:


i don't think there is any doubt that it will end up being extended into the new year, the numbers may start flattening in a month but they have always taken an age to come down. If they removed the lockdown before christmas and left some areas in t3 can you imagine the uproar? Because thats what will happen when the lockdown is ended

[Cherie]

The leak

There was a meeting on Friday night with Bojo, Rishi, Gove and Hancock, and soon after graphs were leaked to the BBC in order to force the lockdown..

[Cherie]

to all those directing their anger at the government, try blaming the people who are not social distancing, they are the ones to blame

:eek: you can’t blame the public...but but Dom

[Ammi]

Shoppers panic ahead of new national lockdown...


Talk of a second lockdown prompted people to make emergency hair and beauty appointments, scramble to book slots for home deliveries as shelves were cleared of toilet roll and customers queued outside shops.

Saturday brought one last hurrah as nationwide restrictions loomed ahead of Boris Johnson’s press conference.

Salons said they were overrun with customers fearful of a repeat of the lockdown measures introduced in March that led to DIY hairstyles or simply succumbing to overgrown roots.

While in a case of panic buying deja vu, toilet rolls were grabbed from shelves as people were seen queuing outside stores and home delivery slots were fully booked by midday.

Shai Greenberg, co-founder of Gielly Green boutique salon in Marylebone, said he has seen a surge of bookings in recent days.

"We've been very busy today and are fully booked tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday," he told The Telegraph. "We've opened every single slot up and are completely booked up.

"It’s devastating news about another lockdown, we hardly managed to cope with the first lockdown and I fear it will be a death penalty for the industry in many ways.”

Boo Banner-Eve, a colourist at the Shoreditch branch of Taylor Taylor London, said she had originally had three clients booked for Sunday but this had doubled by Saturday afternoon.

“In the last couple of hours, we’re now at almost full capacity for Sunday.

....full article..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/shoppers-panic-ahead-national-lockdown-172958872.html

[arista]

Andrew Marr is going to be a guest
on Ch4HD Sunday Brunch.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Shoppers panic ahead of new national lockdown...


Talk of a second lockdown prompted people to make emergency hair and beauty appointments, scramble to book slots for home deliveries as shelves were cleared of toilet roll and customers queued outside shops.

Saturday brought one last hurrah as nationwide restrictions loomed ahead of Boris Johnson’s press conference.

Salons said they were overrun with customers fearful of a repeat of the lockdown measures introduced in March that led to DIY hairstyles or simply succumbing to overgrown roots.

While in a case of panic buying deja vu, toilet rolls were grabbed from shelves as people were seen queuing outside stores and home delivery slots were fully booked by midday.

Shai Greenberg, co-founder of Gielly Green boutique salon in Marylebone, said he has seen a surge of bookings in recent days.

"We've been very busy today and are fully booked tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday," he told The Telegraph. "We've opened every single slot up and are completely booked up.

"It’s devastating news about another lockdown, we hardly managed to cope with the first lockdown and I fear it will be a death penalty for the industry in many ways.”

Boo Banner-Eve, a colourist at the Shoreditch branch of Taylor Taylor London, said she had originally had three clients booked for Sunday but this had doubled by Saturday afternoon.

“In the last couple of hours, we’re now at almost full capacity for Sunday.

....full article..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/shoppers-panic-ahead-national-lockdown-172958872.html

:skull:

[bots]

we have kept things at a higher stock level since March and i'm sure that's what most folk have done

[AnnieK]

It was inevitably going to happen. The restrictions were going to have to tighten with increasing case numbers and people have relaxed on the rules regarding social distancing. However, to say its wrong to blame the government is a bit rich. Who encouraged us to Eat Out to spread it about sorry eat out to help out? Who said opening schools and unis were safe, my son has only managed 2 weeks at a time in class before being exposed to it.....I managed to keep him safe for 6 months with no exposure. Who encouraged us to go out and spend money....now those places we were encouraged to go to are the ones facing financial ruin having been forced to close again.

This lockdown will not work in 4 weeks, it will extend past christmas and into january imo. Suicide rates spike during a normal christmas, I fear the numbers this year will be heartbreaking.

Whilst a global pandemic of a novel virus is out of the hands of any government, it is my opinion the Boris has mishandled this massively. The devolved nations have had a better response but for some reason Boris has handled England poorly.

[joeysteele]

to all those directing their anger at the government, try blaming the people who are not social distancing, they are the ones to blame


They are in part to blame.
Just as the government is too.
However the government makes the rules and should enforce them.

I've condemned the non mask wearers and excusers of same.

Far too much too soon was opened up at once.
Now I'm aware you consider me thick.
However I'll condemn the government if I so wish just as you'll possibly tear in to try to sidestep the government's failing to defend.
Being your government that's in part understandable.

I'd be as strong in my attacks however if this were my party in government making the mess this lot have.

I learned of a neighbour's son, who was on Friday tested at work.
He has the virus now.
Has a wife and 3 children.
All he's done is go to work as this government told him to.

Now has the virus.

It's not just those people's fault you'd hold only responsible.
When people are contracting it, only doing as they were told to by this government.
In fact near ordered to, as they were virtually told to go back to work.

There's even doubt now as to how long this can be airborne as a virus.
We aren't instructed to wear facecoverings in public places.

A lot of people could be getting it via ways we don't believe it possible to yet.
Which is why everything the government instructs and puts in place is important.

They can claim success if anything really works.

However, if they are pushing people back out into communities, then they too rightly have the buck stopping at their door.
When their dangerous play with others lives results in more unnecessary deaths.

That's not a price I think worth paying and I never will sit back and not attack the incompetence that brings it about either.

[Cherie]

we have kept things at a higher stock level since March and i'm sure that's what most folk have done

The supermarkets can nip it in the bud and put restrictions in place

[Cherie]

I think this might have been missed in the shake down but international travel for non essential reasons is banned from Thursday

[AnnieK]

I think this might have been missed in the shake down but international travel for non essential reasons is banned from Thursday

I wondered about taht as he didn't mention it. Is that all travel do you know? What about the travel corridors?

[arista]

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[Cherie]

I wondered about taht as he didn't mention it. Is that all travel do you know? What about the travel corridors?

People in England are being told to avoid all non-essential travel in the UK and abroad as part of a new month-long lockdown.

This means from 5 November to 2 December, foreign holidays and overnight stays anywhere in the UK are banned.

The government's decision to impose a second coronavirus lockdown in England will leave thousands with November travel plans disappointed.

[AnnieK]

People in England are being told to avoid all non-essential travel in the UK and abroad as part of a new month-long lockdown.

This means from 5 November to 2 December, foreign holidays and overnight stays anywhere in the UK are banned.

The government's decision to impose a second coronavirus lockdown in England will leave thousands with November travel plans disappointed.

Yikes. More chaos for people trying to get their money back :sad:

[Ammi]

Restaurateur who imported heated igloos to the Hove seafront faces loss as new lockdown looms...

A restaurateur who invested £160,000 into making his establishment Covid-proof ahead of the winter is expecting to lose thousands of pounds as new restrictions force hospitality closures.

When restaurants were told that they could only offer outdoor seating to those from different households while a maximum of six could dine inside, Luke Davis, boss of Rockwater in Hove, took it as an opportunity to innovate.

He set about importing 30 igloos to the UK from Germany, so 'bubbles' could dine safely outside, warm and enclosed and away from other families.

However, with new nationwide restrictions coming into force, the pods, which cost £160,000 could be no more than a beachside feature, left empty and crucially, not providing any income for a business already hit by the lockdown since March.

Mr Davis, 41, said: "These are difficult times for the hospitality trade. We wanted to continue trading and we had to order these pods from Germany.

"The igloos are really cool looking and totally fit the requirements of our restaurant. It looks very other-worldly. They really are an attraction in themselves.

"We only launched the pods this weekend and we are already totally booked out with guests.

...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/restaurateur-imported-heated-igloos-hove-190224168.html



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[bots]

so many people were complaining the government werent doing a lock down, now that its done, they are saying its destroying their business and when are they going to open up cause christmas will be affected .... couldn't make it up

[Ammi]

..are they the exact same people, then...?...

[The Slim Reaper]

so many people were complaining the government werent doing a lock down, now that its done, they are saying its destroying their business and when are they going to open up cause christmas will be affected .... couldn't make it up

It's almost like it's a really complicated issue that although necessary, will still have damaging effects.

[The Slim Reaper]

Staff shortages in the NHS is another problem we're having. Good job we haven't been alienating the same people we need over the last few years.

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[joeysteele]

It's the uncertainty that's more being grumbled at.

It would have been right to open up things more slowly, not fire people back to the offices, towns and cities.
Having more and more opening up of everything.

Then sitting back, messing about with regional this and that.
Throwing out the scientific advice of a circuit breaker at least 6 weeks ago.

The government coming to the table only when forced it shamed to.
As infection rates soar and deaths get worse, during that delayed period.

Which then called for more severe measures due to the said delay.

Either tell the truth, that it's likely we will have this on/ off situation of lockdowns, likely more national ones too.

However do them to nip things in the bud, not once it's blossomed and increasing everywhere.

Stop too, talking about normality, or getting sorted for Christmas or for other reasons.

Stop the covering up,the deceit and tell people the truth.
Admit the massive errors already made.
Not head out to repeat the same errors again.

No wonder businesses and people haven't a clue where they are with that nonsense being spouted from government.

Easier to blame everyone and anyone else,other than the government then.

Not for me, the government is the one with ALL the information,all the finer detail behind the information or bits of it they want to,as to the info they share publicly.

They have it all.
They have all the figures and the warnings.
So act rapidly,not delaying and throwing confusion and promising no more lockdowns then having to do them.

[Ammi]

It's the uncertainty that's more being grumbled at.

It would have been right to open up things more slowly, not fire people back to the offices, towns and cities.
Having more and more opening up of everything.

Then sitting back, messing about with regional this and that.
Throwing out the scientific advice of a circuit breaker at least 6 weeks ago.

The government coming to the table only when forced it shamed to.
As infection rates soar and deaths get worse, during that delayed period.

Which then called for more severe measures due to the said delay.

Either tell the truth, that it's likely we will have this on/ off situation of lockdowns, likely more national ones too.

However do them to nip things in the bud, not once it's blossomed and increasing everywhere.

Stop too, talking about normality, or getting sorted for Christmas or for other reasons.

Stop the covering up,the deceit and tell people the truth.
Admit the massive errors already made.
Not head out to repeat the same errors again.

No wonder businesses and people haven't a clue where they are with that nonsense being spouted from government.

Easier to blame everyone and anyone else,other than the government then.

Not for me, the government is the one with ALL the information,all the finer detail behind the information or bits of it they want to,as to the info they share publicly.

They have it all.
They have all the figures and the warnings.
So act rapidly,not delaying and throwing confusion and promising no more lockdowns then having to do them.


...yeah, you have a point there as well, Joey...when we phased out of the lockdown...the phases weren’t really phases at all because it wasn’t waited to see the impact of one phase before the next was implemented...we’ll start one on Monday and then on Wednesday and by Thursday afternoon etc../...mindset...so that caused anxieties as well for some, I feel...now it’s been, we’re doing fine and okay...to we’ll have to regionalise because there is some not so okay...to full lockdown...and we’re also being told consistently that this isn’t Spring and we now ‘know so much more about the COVID...’...so why was this all not more anticipated so preparations could have been made etc...the actions seem the complete contrast of us ‘knowing so much more now...’...

[Zizu]

They are in part to blame.
Just as the government is too.
However the government makes the rules and should enforce them.

I've condemned the non mask wearers and excusers of same.

Far too much too soon was opened up at once.
Now I'm aware you consider me thick.
However I'll condemn the government if I so wish just as you'll possibly tear in to try to sidestep the government's failing to defend.
Being your government that's in part understandable.

I'd be as strong in my attacks however if this were my party in government making the mess this lot have.

I learned of a neighbour's son, who was on Friday tested at work.
He has the virus now.
Has a wife and 3 children.
All he's done is go to work as this government told him to.

Now has the virus.

It's not just those people's fault you'd hold only responsible.
When people are contracting it, only doing as they were told to by this government.
In fact near ordered to, as they were virtually told to go back to work.

There's even doubt now as to how long this can be airborne as a virus.
We aren't instructed to wear facecoverings in public places.

A lot of people could be getting it via ways we don't believe it possible to yet.
Which is why everything the government instructs and puts in place is important.

They can claim success if anything really works.

However, if they are pushing people back out into communities, then they too rightly have the buck stopping at their door.
When their dangerous play with others lives results in more unnecessary deaths.

That's not a price I think worth paying and I never will sit back and not attack the incompetence that brings it about either.



A few weeks ago they produced stats ( graph) which showed that it was clearly the under 30’s who were driving the infection rate to crazy levels - the same thing was happening across Europe. .. with the warning that it would inevitably spread cup through the age groups- which is happening now .

Then go back to the crazy scenes in Nottingham then Liverpool centre where the younger folk were congregating and ( off camera) freely admitting on Sky News that they don’t and won’t abide by any rules or regulations .

I don’t see this ending well ... at all

I’ve gone from feeling constantly apprehensive to enduring the constant fear of uncertainty to currently feeling a kind of inevitability...


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[Ammi]

....I’m personally very dubious of graphs and statistics as a general tbh...because they can be made to suit and manipulated whichever way...

[arista]

Covid: Sir Rocco Forte's claims fact-checked


Yes he is not up to date, at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54735702

[AnnieK]

so many people were complaining the government werent doing a lock down, now that its done, they are saying its destroying their business and when are they going to open up cause christmas will be affected .... couldn't make it up

Those people have been requesting a lockdown since Sage suggested it back at the beginning of September when cases began to rise. Had the Gov acted when they were first advised, Christmas and the commercial opportunities it brings to businesses who rely on it may not have been as badly compromised.

You're right though, you cant make it up that Boris has taken 2 months to follow the advice iof the science he has held in such high esteem all through this crisis

[MTVN]

Restaurateur who imported heated igloos to the Hove seafront faces loss as new lockdown looms...

A restaurateur who invested £160,000 into making his establishment Covid-proof ahead of the winter is expecting to lose thousands of pounds as new restrictions force hospitality closures.

When restaurants were told that they could only offer outdoor seating to those from different households while a maximum of six could dine inside, Luke Davis, boss of Rockwater in Hove, took it as an opportunity to innovate.

He set about importing 30 igloos to the UK from Germany, so 'bubbles' could dine safely outside, warm and enclosed and away from other families.

However, with new nationwide restrictions coming into force, the pods, which cost £160,000 could be no more than a beachside feature, left empty and crucially, not providing any income for a business already hit by the lockdown since March.

Mr Davis, 41, said: "These are difficult times for the hospitality trade. We wanted to continue trading and we had to order these pods from Germany.

"The igloos are really cool looking and totally fit the requirements of our restaurant. It looks very other-worldly. They really are an attraction in themselves.

"We only launched the pods this weekend and we are already totally booked out with guests.

...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/restaurateur-imported-heated-igloos-hove-190224168.html



https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/UZp31HCAXg4qnort2BK.zw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/the_telegraph_818/fddff9cd9ed06325c6b7deae40ba1a00

Yeah I know a lot of places who have spent a huge amount improving their outdoor areas so that they could still get some form of custom, erecting big shelters, installing heaters etc. They're now being punished for trying to be creative and responsible. Furlough helps with staff costs but it doesn't help repay all the investment that businesses have made in order to comply with previous restrictions

[Ammi]

Yeah I know a lot of places who have spent a huge amount improving their outdoor areas so that they could still get some form of custom, erecting big shelters, installing heaters etc. They're now being punished for trying to be creative and responsible. Furlough helps with staff costs but it doesn't help repay all the investment that businesses have made in order to comply with previous restrictions

...it’s not just businesses, though...the same applies to some people with their homes because we knew that ‘outdoor’ in our gardens would be much more difficult with our climate in Autumn/Winter...I know lots of people who have made adaptions in their own gardens.../added outside heaters at an expense etc so that ‘outdoor’ could be extended with all safety adhered to...and now that can’t happen, so it was an extra expense from their budgets etc...

[arista]

[We only launched the pods this weekend and we are already totally booked out with guests.]

The Hove grump.
He just has to wait for the Lockdown to end,
and until then Do TAKE AWAYS

[Ammi]

...with the igloos, I’m sure we would have said...that’s the spirit, be inventive and make it work for you as a unique thing..:laugh:..

[bots]

Those people have been requesting a lockdown since Sage suggested it back at the beginning of September when cases began to rise. Had the Gov acted when they were first advised, Christmas and the commercial opportunities it brings to businesses who rely on it may not have been as badly compromised.

You're right though, you cant make it up that Boris has taken 2 months to follow the advice iof the science he has held in such high esteem all through this crisis

the thing is though t3 restrictions are having an effect, and if people social distanced like they were supposed to, we wouldn't have needed this lockdown. People love to blame the government, and i'm no fan, believe me, but sage doesnt concern itself with economics, thats not their purpose, the government does, hence it has to balance decisions more.

The government can't win no matter what decisions they take, that is pretty obvious

[Strictly Jake]

Gutted I still have to work. But thats coz im a lazy sod, haha. Shouldnt complain really I have it lucky

[Cherie]

Opening up slowly made no difference, Wales opened up after England and the Republic’s many services didn’t open until late July, pubs were closed until September and closed again a few weeks later, the virus is being spread indoors in family homes imo

[arista]

Gutted I still have to work. But thats coz im a lazy sod, haha. Shouldnt complain really I have it lucky


Well done to you.
Get those Mobile phone Kids
sorted.

[Kate!]

Andy Burnham to hold press conference this afternoon.

[MTVN]

Opening up slowly made no difference, Wales opened up after England and the Republic’s many services didn’t open until late July, pubs were closed until September and closed again a few weeks later, the virus is being spread indoors in family homes imo

Yeah I think a lot of the discussion about the speed of reopening or the timing of lockdown is dancing on the head of a pin stuff, the fact most of Europe is following similar trajectories despite variations in policy makes me think that governments ability to really control the virus is quite limited

[arista]

Andy Burnham to hold press conference this afternoon.


We know what he is angry about
Now the new lockdown gets 80% Job benefit
from Nov5 to Dec2.

And of course
in Manchester,
they have had a sort of Lockdown
but a lower rate of money



So its Anger about Lost Cash

[Zizu]

....I’m personally very dubious of graphs and statistics as a general tbh...because they can be made to suit and manipulated whichever way...



They were used by all the European countries for their modelling..


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[Zizu]

Andy Burnham to hold press conference this afternoon.



To stamp his feet again and go off in a huff ...


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[Cherie]

...it’s not just businesses, though...the same applies to some people with their homes because we knew that ‘outdoor’ in our gardens would be much more difficult with our climate in Autumn/Winter...I know lots of people who have made adaptions in their own gardens.../added outside heaters at an expense etc so that ‘outdoor’ could be extended with all safety adhered to...and now that can’t happen, so it was an extra expense from their budgets etc...

how is that the same? a business would outlay and hope to get a return on their outlay, a private home will be out of bounds for a few weeks depending on what Tier you are, will be able to use it again after than, meanwhile the restaurant might have gone out of business

[joeysteele]

We know what he is angry about
Now the new lockdown gets 80% Job benefit
from Nov5 to Dec2.

And of course
in Manchester,
they have had a sort of Lockdown
but a lower rate of money



So its Anger about Lost Cash


He won't be angry about the extra available on furlough now.

He'll be angry and rightly so that he was told this was IMPOSSIBLE just over a week ago.
When he was fighting for what SHOULD have been there for his residents of his area.

It's clear it was possible and who were the ones really playing politically with the people of Manchester.

[joeysteele]

...yeah, you have a point there as well, Joey...when we phased out of the lockdown...the phases weren’t really phases at all because it wasn’t waited to see the impact of one phase before the next was implemented...we’ll start one on Monday and then on Wednesday and by Thursday afternoon etc../...mindset...so that caused anxieties as well for some, I feel...now it’s been, we’re doing fine and okay...to we’ll have to regionalise because there is some not so okay...to full lockdown...and we’re also being told consistently that this isn’t Spring and we now ‘know so much more about the COVID...’...so why was this all not more anticipated so preparations could have been made etc...the actions seem the complete contrast of us ‘knowing so much more now...’...



My point would be that if you open up slowly, as in fact other Nations would have been well advised to I think.
Then you guage the change and reaction to doing so.

Then if problems arise,slow it back down or arrest it effectively.

There was so much from one moment next to nothing, to then get back out there,open up the shops, open up the bars and restaurants, offering half price meals to push people out.

Then get back to offices and fill the towns and cities.

Doing nothing until stronger regional restrictions needed, which haven't worked effectively enough in many areas.
To now having to be where we're at now again.

Caution all the way until we can, and IF this lot ever again to really set out to, to protect the more vulnerable and elderly that want to be.

Few seem bothered about them.
My Mum has me thankfully.
Many elderly have no one.
This government removed the rug of official protection at a stroke from under their feet, of those who had relied on it and STILL wanted it.

They haven't yet, and even yesterday failed to do anything again, or EVEN OFFER to, to protect those vulnerable and elderly.
Who are the ones again,losing their lives again at the rate of over 1000 a week again.

People can ignore that if they wish, I'm not prepared to.
Those who want officially recognised protection and support should have it as a right, in a pandemic such as this.
It's disgusting.

Clearly not enough sick and elderly lost to satisfy yet.

[The Slim Reaper]

1322826447065649156

[Zizu]

1322826447065649156



Surely that’s how governments have carried on for the last 50 or so years

It’s always been balmy ..

I still don’t know why we can’t let scientists, economists and intellectuals run the damn country..
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[Nicky91]

Netherlands

over 350 fines for illegal party's

8,740 new cases (again 1,079 less)

58 new ICU patients (18 less than yesterdays 76)

237 new hospitalisations (77 less than yesterdays 314)

39 new deaths (12 less than yesterdays 51)

[Kizzy]

Surely that’s how governments have carried on for the last 50 or so years

It’s always been balmy ..

I still don’t know why we can’t let scientists, economists and intellectuals run the damn country..
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Because we're sick of experts remember? And everything is a business, the UK is an organisation. As such we do things that benefit shareholders not workers, busines's people do that.
Plus it gives the tories more power and influence, they love that.

[Nicky91]

also regarding england's second lockdown, why not immediately and why wait until wednesday what i made out of what Boris said, that they must first debate about it at parliament

i mean why, the sooner you react the more lives you can save, the sooner you can begin in slowing down the spread, or am i wrong?

[utopianman]

also regarding england's second lockdown, why not immediately and why wait until wednesday what i made out of what Boris said, that they must first debate about it at parliament

i mean why, the sooner you react the more lives you can save, the sooner you can begin in slowing down the spread, or am i wrong?

agreed

[joeysteele]

also regarding england's second lockdown, why not immediately and why wait until wednesday what i made out of what Boris said, that they must first debate about it at parliament

i mean why, the sooner you react the more lives you can save, the sooner you can begin in slowing down the spread, or am i wrong?


Apparently Nicky.
I don't agree with this by the way.
Lockdowns aren't to save lives, it's to protect the NHS.

I was told I didn't understand lockdowns.

However like yourself I do see it as saving lives too.

I didn't see the point of raising why an announcement so urgently needed on Saturday.
Because of the rising crisis.
Needs another 4 whole days to be implemented.

I guess he needs time, after all it's taken him 6 weeks to get round to it.

(Odd how the first absolute lockdown was announced on a Monday night, commencing from midnight that day too).

So no you're not wrong in my view.

He said it himself the UK PM, at the end of his press briefing yesterday..
As he repeated.
Stay home, protect the NHS and SAVE LIVES.

However he missed off,not fto worry, it's NOT for another 4 days yet.
Incredible.

[Zizu]

Because we're sick of experts remember? And everything is a business, the UK is an organisation. As such we do things that benefit shareholders not workers, busines's people do that.

Plus it gives the tories more power and influence, they love that.



Labour work just the same way though


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[bots]

Again, people were complaining about actions not being debated in parliament, now they are and ... people are complaining about that :laugh:

Business needs time to shut down, it's only fair, they need to prepare for the lockdown. Also worth noting that we are not close to the figures we were at in March yet, we are just projecting that we could be in a few weeks if people don't social distance. This is not on the government. Each and every one of us must take responsibility and social distance

[joeysteele]

The vote when it comes is a foregone conclusion.
His party will support it, Labour has said it will.

He's not holding a vote until Wednesday.

Debating is important however this is already overdue.
It was called for nearly 6 weeks ago on 21st September.
It was more urgently called for over 3 weeks ago on 8th October.

How much time does he need to get round to eventually doing the vitally important things necessary.

He's had weeks, nearly 6 of them, almost 2 months of just huffing and puffing, he'd not do this.
Now he has to.

Yet he still gets defended.
Playing with the vulnerable and elderly citizens lives in the process.
That's something I'll not stop or get sick of saying because it's shocking.
Not to fully maximise all protection possible for those in the greatest danger.

Delaying doesn't protect, it leaves more danger open.

[Kizzy]

Labour work just the same way though


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That's only a presumption. . We have no evidence of that do we? Labour have not been in power for a long time. New labour a agree began the trend of moving management into traditionally clinically experienced positions within the NHS, that was a bad move too.

[Zizu]

That's only a presumption. . We have no evidence of that do we? Labour have not been in power for a long time. New labour a agree began the trend of moving management into traditionally clinically experienced positions within the NHS, that was a bad move too.



I’ve taken casual notice of governments since the mid 70’s and every single one since has been useless and corrupt plus it’s always been ‘jobs for the boys ‘ ..


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[arista]

Today 23,245 new cases of Covid-19

Today 162 deaths from Covid-19

Patients in hospital
10,918

Patients in ventilator beds
978

46,717 total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Kizzy]

Again, people were complaining about actions not being debated in parliament, now they are and ... people are complaining about that :laugh:

Business needs time to shut down, it's only fair, they need to prepare for the lockdown. Also worth noting that we are not close to the figures we were at in March yet, we are just projecting that we could be in a few weeks if people don't social distance. This is not on the government. Each and every one of us must take responsibility and social distance
It most certainly is on the government, this was on the cards anyone with half a brain heard what was said by the experts in spring that there was a second wave coming when the weather cools and it will be worse than the first wave.

We were aware, business should have prepared then not buried their head in the sand. Boris can't stop this and worse he exacerbated it with his 'eat out to help out' scheme. Figures clearly show spikes where the uptake on this was seen and it has been estimated that the rise in covid cases in those areas was as high as 17%.

The public have always been in favour of lock down, during the first wave the support was over 90%.. even now it's over 80% ( according to yougov) so people are not sick of lock down they are as willing as ever to fight this. It's only a minority that oppose measures and that could be simply because of inconsistencies in approaches across the UK. Now we have a more joined up approach I think that those opposed will reduce.

I'd like to say your blind faith is commendable. ..but I can't.

[Marsh.]

maybe I missed it?

Yep, seems you did.

[Marsh.]

The R rate in London has been higher than the northwest all week. Liverpool rates are dropping due to Tier 3. The northern tier 3 areas were expected to cope on 67% of wages and be happy about it but now the surge is creeping south, furlough is back on the table and everything is shut.

I agree the south west have been hit hardest as they have had it under control but there is no victimhood from me Cherie, just stating facts from a Northern perspective.

Nail. Head.

[arista]

Andy Burnham to hold press conference this afternoon.


Well its Evening now
he has not been on any National TV news

[Nicky91]

Netherlands

82% of children in a survey between ages of 9 and 12 are very worried about the coronavirus, they are mostly worried if their (grand)parents might catch the virus

two third are afraid that schools have to close


89% does feel safe at schools, a quarter of them is for mask requirement at schools

because of coronacrisis many children feel bored more often, one third is more scared than normal, and a quarter is more sad than normal

[Cherie]

Yep, seems you did.

what areas were due to go into Tier 3 tomorrow, maybe you can refresh my memory

[Marsh.]

what areas were due to go into Tier 3 tomorrow, maybe you can refresh my memory

Deflecting from what I originally posted doesn't lead anywhere.

[AnnieK]

Well its Evening now
he has not been on any National TV news

He did the conference.... basically he thinks we should shut schools for this lockdown and then have circuit breaker lockdowns when its school holidays..

[arista]

He did the conference.... basically he thinks we should shut schools for this lockdown and then have circuit breaker lockdowns when its school holidays..



What time was it on

[AnnieK]

What time was it on

It was virtual...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/live-andy-burnham-coronavirus-press-19201757

[arista]

It was virtual...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/live-andy-burnham-coronavirus-press-19201757


Thanks
thought I would have missed him

[Cherie]

He did the conference.... basically he thinks we should shut schools for this lockdown and then have circuit breaker lockdowns when its school holidays..

Starmer said schools should remain open on Marr

[bots]

Police say they were attacked as they tried to break up an illegal rave at a warehouse near Bristol.

Officers who were called to Yate at around 22:30 GMT on Saturday said up to 700 people were in attendance.

Some of the crowd began acting violently towards officers as they were told to leave, Avon and Somerset Police said.

The crowd was ordered to disperse and police said two people were in custody.

A force spokesman said when officers arrived they "found a number of vehicles and several hundred people" at the site.

"Roads approaching the area were closed to prevent more people reaching the site by car, but large numbers of people continued to arrive on foot from several different directions," he said.

The spokesman said a "number of the people being prevented from entering the premises" became hostile towards the police.

"Items, including lit spray cans and bottles, were thrown at police, some of whom were injured but remained on duty," he said.

"A secure cordon was put in place by 4am, but it is estimated that approximately 500 to 700 people were on site."

Power was cut to the building but an alternative source was being used, the spokesman said.

He said "additional resources" from "neighbouring forces" had been brought in to "bring the event to a close".

The warehouse was empty when it was seen by the BBC on Sunday afternoon.

Ch Insp Mark Runacres said it was a "challenging operation" with a "large number of people in a confined space and several officers being assaulted".

"Our investigations team will be involved in reviewing officers' body worn footage and other inquiries as we seek to take appropriate action against those responsible."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055

[The Slim Reaper]

Thank you for posting the Burnham news annie. Arista is phoning it in these days.

[Kate!]

Andy is on the news now. He talks sense.

[AnnieK]

Thank you for posting the Burnham news annie. Arista is phoning it in these days.

:douf:

[Vanessa]

People were raving lat night in central London.
No social distancing whatsoever :fist:

[joeysteele]

Andy is on the news now. He talks sense.

He does Kate.

[Ammi]

Taskforce chief says Covid vaccine likely to be given to every person over 50 who needs it by Easter...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-vaccine-chief-says-covid-164857919.html


..Zizu, I don’t know which Easter...the article doesn’t say...:laugh:..

[Kizzy]

What a time to be 48...lol

[Ammi]

...Kizzy...:laugh:...


...’oh and what do I get, then...?...’...


...‘you get a chocolate egg, isn’t that lovely...’...

[Ammi]

...obviously only if your local charity can provide it, we’ve got no egg money...

[Zizu]

Police say they were attacked as they tried to break up an illegal rave at a warehouse near Bristol.



Officers who were called to Yate at around 22:30 GMT on Saturday said up to 700 people were in attendance.



Some of the crowd began acting violently towards officers as they were told to leave, Avon and Somerset Police said.



The crowd was ordered to disperse and police said two people were in custody.



A force spokesman said when officers arrived they "found a number of vehicles and several hundred people" at the site.



"Roads approaching the area were closed to prevent more people reaching the site by car, but large numbers of people continued to arrive on foot from several different directions," he said.



The spokesman said a "number of the people being prevented from entering the premises" became hostile towards the police.



"Items, including lit spray cans and bottles, were thrown at police, some of whom were injured but remained on duty," he said.



"A secure cordon was put in place by 4am, but it is estimated that approximately 500 to 700 people were on site."



Power was cut to the building but an alternative source was being used, the spokesman said.



He said "additional resources" from "neighbouring forces" had been brought in to "bring the event to a close".



The warehouse was empty when it was seen by the BBC on Sunday afternoon.



Ch Insp Mark Runacres said it was a "challenging operation" with a "large number of people in a confined space and several officers being assaulted".



"Our investigations team will be involved in reviewing officers' body worn footage and other inquiries as we seek to take appropriate action against those responsible."



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055



Well not ‘raves’ but if you know where to look on TikTok there are many , many examples of terribly unsociable behaviour involving shouting / screaming/ drinking all over the UK - usually involving car / motor bike racing / doughnuts , setting massive fireworks off - some are hybrid ( homemade by mixing two or more huge fireworks together) .
I feel so sorry for the areas where the young folk have taken the streets over as the scenes look terrifying.


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[utopianman]

feel sorry for the cops having to break up these idiots risking injry and catching covid

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElxlSTBW0AEBfOa?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/4uaPoczm6fOMT29pFZA5eQ/https/media.fyre.co/Dp8jfNq4QbiqAmTylQAO_FT.jpg

[arista]

Coronavirus: Nottingham party host fined £10,000 while
others try to evade police by climbing through window

[A man in Nottingham has been fined £10,000
for breaking lockdown rules by holding a party
for more than 30 people, police have said.
His 38 guests were fined £200 each for being
there while the city is under Tier 3 coronavirus
restrictions, forbidding indoor meetings with
those from other households.
Nottingham Police were called to a property
in Plumptre Street in the city centre
at around 12.45am on Saturday.]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nottingham-party-host-fined-10-000-while-others-try-to-evade-police-by-climbing-through-window-12121347

[arista]

[Coronavirus: 'Selfish' partygoers assault officers as police break
up illegal rave attended by up to 700 people

Avon and Somerset Police have closed down
the event near Bristol after what they
called an "incredibly challenging operation".]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-selfish-partygoers-assault-officers-as-police-break-up-illegal-rave-attended-by-up-to-700-people-12120632

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/01/21/35120578-0-image-a-41_1604267527752.jpg

[utopianman]

why are flights allowed? why has no one asked about shutting down the channel tunnel? with france at 50,000+ infections a day

[utopianman]

https://www.darlingtonandstocktontimes.co.uk/news/18808440.harrogate-hospital-ready-needed/

THE Harrogate based NHS Nightingale hospital will be ready to take patients if needed says Medical Director Yvette Oade but she called on people to do their bit to keep infections down.

The unit which has been set up in the Harrogate Conference Centre can offer up to 500 critical care beds if hospitals start to struggle to cope.

The centre was put back on standby earlier this month by the government along with Manchester and Sunderland Nightingale Hospitals as Covid-19 rates increased.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/31/hospitals-may-forced-move-covid-patients-elsewhere/

There has also been a sharp rise in Covid admissions to hospitals in Wales. Latest NHS Wales figures show 1,110 Covid-19 patients in hospital beds, more than 80% of the level at the pandemic's peak in April.

The director of the Welsh NHS Confederation Darren Hughes said: "What we're seeing is field hospitals which were part of the contingency planning for dealing with the effects of Covid now starting to be used - particularly in the RCT area, but also in other parts of Wales."

[bots]

the overall R rate in the uk is 1.1 to 1.3, recently rising areas will always have a higher rate until infections get to a significant level.

The R rate when taking no precautions is 3 so the social distancing measures are working and we really aren't far from bringing it back under 1 again. Time for some optimism

[utopianman]

the overall R rate in the uk is 1.1 to 1.3, recently rising areas will always have a higher rate until infections get to a significant level.

The R rate when taking no precautions is 3 so the social distancing measures are working and we really aren't far from bringing it back under 1 again. Time for some optimism


Lets hope so ...social distancing, masks, hospital quarantines, no night clubs, no raves, breaking up groups of people anywhere outside pubs clubs anywhere.....I would also increase the cleaning operations at all supermarkets far more rigorously....I suspect a lot fo infections happen there even more than pubs and restaurants....Id tighten the chanel tunnel big time and close airports...as long as its based in reality Im all for optimism

[Cherie]

why are flights allowed? why has no one asked about shutting down the channel tunnel? with france at 50,000+ infections a day

International travel for leisure is banned

[Ammi]

Prince William kept COVID-19 diagnosis quiet because he 'didn't want to worry anyone'...


https://uk.yahoo.com/style/prince-william-kept-covid-19-231500845.html

[arista]

Prince William kept COVID-19 diagnosis quiet because he 'didn't want to worry anyone'...


https://uk.yahoo.com/style/prince-william-kept-covid-19-231500845.html


Yes best to keep it quiet

[Nicky91]

Netherlands:

likely newer stricter measures but no lockdown

just about closing libraries, cinema's theatres and museums for 2 weeks, number of people together allowed on streets from 4 to 2, and negative travel advice for christmas holidays

[Cherie]

Netherlands:

likely newer stricter measures but no lockdown

just about closing libraries, cinema's theatres and museums for 2 weeks, number of people together allowed on streets from 4 to 2, and negative travel advice for christmas holidays


that's quite a bit of news to slip in there at the end :laugh:

[Nicky91]

[/B]

that's quite a bit of news to slip in there at the end :laugh:

no, it must be said now since dutch people were still going to germany, shopping over there etc

they were ignoring the germans their rules, and illegally crossing the border

[Cherie]

no, it must be said now since dutch people were still going to germany, shopping over there etc

they were ignoring the germans their rules, and illegally crossing the border

the naughty Dutch!

[user104658]

Prince William kept COVID-19 diagnosis quiet because he 'didn't want to worry anyone'...


https://uk.yahoo.com/style/prince-william-kept-covid-19-231500845.html

He's only 38 (and a Royal) so chances are they were all tested when Charlieboy got sick with it, and he was either very mild symptoms or totally asymptomatic (as the report says he was still working and on video calls etc.).

"Didn't want to worry anyone" my butt though - the reason celebs who were testing positive were either keeping it hush-hush or claiming to have "mild symptoms" whilst looking perfectly healthy, is that it was widely known that it was hard to get a test back in April, and (wuite understandably) people were pissed off that asymptomatic celebrities and Royals were getting privately tested whenever they wanted when there were few or none available for the general public :idc:.

"I didn't want to worry anyone :) " is better PR than "I didn't have symptoms but got tested anyway :) "

[Cherie]

He's only 38 (and a Royal) so chances are they were all tested when Charlieboy got sick with it, and he was either very mild symptoms or totally asymptomatic (as the report says he was still working and on video calls etc.).

"Didn't want to worry anyone" my butt though - the reason celebs who were testing positive were either keeping it hush-hush or claiming to have "mild symptoms" whilst looking perfectly healthy, is that it was widely known that it was hard to get a test back in April, and (wuite understandably) people were pissed off that asymptomatic celebrities and Royals were getting privately tested whenever they wanted when there were few or none available for the general public :idc:.

"I didn't want to worry anyone :) " is better PR than "I didn't have symptoms but got tested anyway :) "


I agree, no one would be worried given his age, and at any rate why do we need to know now, it's done and dusted

[bots]

I agree, no one would be worried given his age, and at any rate why do we need to know now, it's done and dusted

Someone was about to spill the beans for a few bucks i think.

I agree, the whole lot of them will have been tested when everyone else was told to **** off

[arista]

Covid: Ryanair will not offer refunds for November flights

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54776678

[bots]

BA isn't doing refunds either. You can reschedule the flight or apply for a voucher, but no money

[arista]

BA isn't doing refunds either. You can reschedule the flight or apply for a voucher, but no money

Yes I can understand
as Companies are now on the last cash flow.


To Stop Covid-19 more
it would be better to Halt Travel.
Sadly you can still travel during the new Lockdown.

[user104658]

BA isn't doing refunds either. You can reschedule the flight or apply for a voucher, but no money

They probably don't have any to give. Voucher for imaginary money is better than nothing but who knows when you'll be able to use it :umm2:.

[user104658]

I'm in two minds when it comes to airlines going under tbh. Ont he one hand, obviously, it's jobs lost and not great for the tourist economy.

On the other hand, a significantly reduced number of commercial flights for an ongoing period of time is one of the best things that could ever happen for the planet.

[bots]

Yes I can understand
as Companies are now on the last cash flow.


To Stop Covid-19 more
it would be better to Halt Travel.
Sadly you can still travel during the new Lockdown.

only essential travel, no holidays

[Ammi]

I'm in two minds when it comes to airlines going under tbh. Ont he one hand, obviously, it's jobs lost and not great for the tourist economy.

On the other hand, a significantly reduced number of commercial flights for an ongoing period of time is one of the best things that could ever happen for the planet.

...I read an article just quite recently that said the job losses in the airlines would be similar to those losses of the mining industry in the 80s...although they’ll impact differently obviously...because those ‘killed mining towns’ so whole communities...but I agree with what you say...if those job losses could somehow be filled elsewhere, stripping back air travel in itself, would be so beneficial and so much needed, environmentally...David Attenborough would say YAY, I think...

[arista]

One Store that has chosen to not have online orders.

[Primark to miss out on £375m worth
of sales in the crucial Christmas run-up due
to new lockdowns in England and across Europe,
Primark stores in
Ireland, France, Belgium, Wales, Catalonia in Spain
and Slovenia have already temporarily shut down
Stores in England to close from
Thursday until 2nd of December
Closure of 57% of stores will
result in lost sales worth £375m]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-8904621/Primark-miss-375m-worth-sales-new-lockdowns.html

[user104658]

There's been a lot of recent development in clean jet fuels recently (hydrogen based, pure water vapour emissions) but it still has a bit of development before being totally viable. An "ideal" scenario would be if flights are cut waaay back for a while and then when they do start getting back to "tonnes of planes taking off every few minutes" levels, it's with fleets of updated "clean" aircraft.

[arista]

only essential travel, no holidays

Yes but NZ
only got better control
but halting anyone entering their nation.

[bots]

There's been a lot of recent development in clean jet fuels recently (hydrogen based, pure water vapour emissions) but it still has a bit of development before being totally viable. An "ideal" scenario would be if flights are cut waaay back for a while and then when they do start getting back to "tonnes of planes taking off every few minutes" levels, it's with fleets of updated "clean" aircraft.

the problem is that if the airline industry are on their knees financially, they wont be directing the investment toward further research, so its lose lose basically

[Ammi]

...just relating to jobs or specifically one employment post in Manchester advertised...

One post, 947 applicants: restaurant’s story reveals the depth of UK jobs crisis...

Desperate candidates for a minimum wage role in Manchester face dwindling savings and choosing between paying for food or bills

It was a single job advert for a minimum wage role as a waiter in a Manchester restaurant.

Buoyed by the “eat out to help out” scheme, Peru Perdu, a Peruvian themed eatery in the heart of the city was looking for someone to join its serving staff. Within four days, 320 people had applied. And by the time the ad was taken down, 947 people had submitted applications.

“Normally we would have between 20 and 30 for a role like this,” recruitment consultant Abi Dunn, who posted the ad, told Channel 4’s Dispatches for a programme to be broadcast on Monday night.

“I’m shocked by that, and it’s a real indication of where the sector is at. Definitely we’re recruiting in different times.”

Among those applying was Faye, a dancer on a cruise ship. She has been forced to move back in with her parents and was struggling to find a job that paid even the minimum wage.

“It took me a long time to get a job on the cruise ships. It took me two years of auditioning. I’m quite small for a dancer – 5ft 2in – and I found it really difficult to break through that wall and get my job – which was actually my dream job. It’s what I always wanted to do.”

When asked about how many jobs she’s applied for, she said, “it feels like hundreds. I think it might be hundreds. When I first started applying, I was applying for everything. Even things I was probably under-qualified for because, you know, you do feel so desperate.”

Among the applicants for the job, even those with years of experience in hospitality were finding it hard to get noticed. Jake was most recently a manager in a luxury hotel. “I thought it would be easier with a degree and 10 years of experience, but it has been a struggle,” he said. “I probably only have one-and-a-half month’s rent left in the bank account … That would only take me through November.”

Admin worker Kerry was one of 1,000 people to lose their jobs at luxury car maker Bentley. “My savings are going down. I was able to put money in my savings and in the kids’ account – from there to nothing. I did get a tiny bit of money from universal credit as it is now. I just put it all into the joint account. That was my contribution at the time to paying for the house, because I don’t want to lose this house. I don’t want the kids to not have this any more. I’m not even going to be able to put money away towards Christmas presents this year, and that really upsets me.”

One Peru Perdu applicant who did not make it to interview was 51-year-old John. He and his husband, also John, lost their jobs as ticket inspectors in March.

“The amount of jobs that we have applied for between the two of us since end of March-ish has got to be close to 2,000, if not more. It’s very depressing. We’ve burnt through all our savings. It’s a toss-up between do we get gas and electric or do we get food? And even if I do get food, if we’ve got no gas, I can’t cook it!”

At Peru Perdu, the search for a new member of waiting staff was whittled down from 947 to just two. But before a final decision could be made, Boris Johnson announced that all pubs, bars and restaurants could operate on;y a table service except for takeaway and must close at 10pm.

As a result, the vacancy was withdrawn.

Six weeks after the Peru Perdu job advert went out, Dispatches contacted all those who had applied for the job. Among those who replied, four out of five were still out of work.

[Ammi]

Coronavirus: First Briton known to have contracted COVID-19 dies in 'tragic accident'...

The first British man known to have contracted coronavirus has died following a "tragic accident" at his university in Wales, his mother has said.

Connor Reed, from Llandudno in North Wales, had been working at a school in Wuhan when he contracted the virus last December.

He initially thought it was a cold, before it developed into a serious cough and one morning he woke up struggling to breathe, telling Sky News in March: "That's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath."

Live updates on coronavirus from UK and around world

His mother Hayley said he had never got over the "hardship" of contracting coronavirus after he was forced to spend 20 weeks in lockdown.

Announcing his death last weekend in a Facebook post, she wrote: "Our beautiful son Connor Reed has passed away in a tragic accident at Bangor University at the weekend.

"He will be so greatly missed by his brothers, family and friends.

"He had such a wonderful smile, enthusiasm and love for life. We are blessed to of had you in our lives if only for a very short time. Rest in peace our darling."

She told The Sun: "We will not be able to attend his funeral in the UK due to the coronavirus restrictions, therefore we will make sure we all celebrate his life at his home in Australia."

In a statement, North Wales Police said: "Shortly after 10pm on Sunday 25 October, North Wales Police were requested by the ambulance service to attend at a student's room at a Bangor University halls of residence.

"Regrettably, despite the best efforts of friends and paramedics, a 26-year-old student year male student was pronounced dead at the location.

"Our thoughts are with the victim's family and friends following this tragic death of a young student, and we request that their privacy is respected.

"The death is not being treated as suspicious and the coroner for North West Wales, Mr Dewi Pritchard Jones has been informed."

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Describing his COVID-19 symptoms earlier this year while living in the then epicentre of the virus, Mr Reed told Sky News: "I was just feeling really bad. I was coughing a lot and subsequently I lost my voice.

"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not.

"But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."

He recovered from his illness and a few weeks later doctors realised he had suffered from the virus which would become known as COVID-19.

He also spoke of the "government sanctioned harsher penalties and a lot harsher quarantine" as the virus spread, but also praised the response: "China is one of the most efficient countries at getting stuff done. In regard to this outbreak, they've got it done. They had to. They had to take the drastic measures, that many other countries wouldn't have taken."

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-first-briton-known-contracted-081200852.html

[user104658]

Coronavirus: First Briton known to have contracted COVID-19 dies in 'tragic accident'...

The first British man known to have contracted coronavirus has died following a "tragic accident" at his university in Wales, his mother has said.

Connor Reed, from Llandudno in North Wales, had been working at a school in Wuhan when he contracted the virus last December.

He initially thought it was a cold, before it developed into a serious cough and one morning he woke up struggling to breathe, telling Sky News in March: "That's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath."

Live updates on coronavirus from UK and around world

His mother Hayley said he had never got over the "hardship" of contracting coronavirus after he was forced to spend 20 weeks in lockdown.

Announcing his death last weekend in a Facebook post, she wrote: "Our beautiful son Connor Reed has passed away in a tragic accident at Bangor University at the weekend.

"He will be so greatly missed by his brothers, family and friends.

"He had such a wonderful smile, enthusiasm and love for life. We are blessed to of had you in our lives if only for a very short time. Rest in peace our darling."

She told The Sun: "We will not be able to attend his funeral in the UK due to the coronavirus restrictions, therefore we will make sure we all celebrate his life at his home in Australia."

In a statement, North Wales Police said: "Shortly after 10pm on Sunday 25 October, North Wales Police were requested by the ambulance service to attend at a student's room at a Bangor University halls of residence.

"Regrettably, despite the best efforts of friends and paramedics, a 26-year-old student year male student was pronounced dead at the location.

"Our thoughts are with the victim's family and friends following this tragic death of a young student, and we request that their privacy is respected.

"The death is not being treated as suspicious and the coroner for North West Wales, Mr Dewi Pritchard Jones has been informed."

:: Subscribe to the Daily podcast on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Spreaker

Describing his COVID-19 symptoms earlier this year while living in the then epicentre of the virus, Mr Reed told Sky News: "I was just feeling really bad. I was coughing a lot and subsequently I lost my voice.

"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not.

"But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."

He recovered from his illness and a few weeks later doctors realised he had suffered from the virus which would become known as COVID-19.

He also spoke of the "government sanctioned harsher penalties and a lot harsher quarantine" as the virus spread, but also praised the response: "China is one of the most efficient countries at getting stuff done. In regard to this outbreak, they've got it done. They had to. They had to take the drastic measures, that many other countries wouldn't have taken."

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-first-briton-known-contracted-081200852.html

Reading between the lines, sounds like an overdose to me. Very sad if his mental health was significantly affected, could easily be a contributing factor.

[Ammi]

Reading between the lines, sounds like an overdose to me. Very sad if his mental health was significantly affected, could easily be a contributing factor.

...I’m not sure, it says ’accident’...but yeah, low mental health atm is just so destructive in itself...

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El0QuWqW0AMJD95?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

...I’m not sure, it says ’accident’...but yeah, low mental health atm is just so destructive in itself...

Well an unintentional overdose would be an accidental death, so I'm wondering if it's a more sensitive way of saying that. A girl I went to school with tragically died in her sleep when she was in her early 20's of alcohol poisoning and it was ruled "accidental death", so that wouldn't be unusual. He may have had no intention of harming himself, but low mental health can also lead to recklessness sadly.

[arista]

1323247034875453440

Not enough Conservative MP's to stop the Lockdown vote Weds.

As all of Labour are with the Prime minister

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

8,306 new cases (again a decrease, now 430 less than yesterday)

29 new deaths (yesterday that were 39)


again most new cases are in Rotterdam, Amsterdam, The Hague

[arista]

[Exodus! Thousands arrive at Heathrow in last-ditch
bid to flee the UK before Thursday as travel agents report
phones ringing 'off the hook' from customers
desperate to beat lockdown
Thousands of Brits in race to border before new
lockdown starts on Thursday
Experts say travellers are seeking out
the low-risk countries to spend lockdown
Airlines confirm they are operating as normal
until Wednesday evening and with no
requirement to come back early,
many in bid to go on holiday before deadline]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8904837/Thousands-arrive-Heathrow-ditch-bid-flee-UK-Thursday.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/02/10/35141320-0-image-a-2_1604312799079.jpg

[arista]

Scotland may have to go into Lockdown
in order to get the money


Ref:ITV1HDnews

[LukeB]

My town was the busiest I’ve seen it! It felt like Christmas :laugh:

[Tom4784]

My town was the busiest I’ve seen it! It felt like Christmas :laugh:

Delaying the lockdown until Thursday was foolish on the government's part. It probably should have come into force today since people will go mental for most of this week since it'll be their last chance to go out and visit non-essential shops for a month.

[Nicky91]

netherlands: some covid patients earlier going home and being monitored via app

a test was being done with 45 covid patients, via the app they can see oxygen levels in their blood, their temperature, and other symptoms to doctors at hospital

patients who are stable, or need 2 litres or less of oxygen are allowed to take part in this test

this can be good news, as it creates free space in hospital for newer patients

[arista]

The prime minister is Live in
in Parliament.


After he speaks
it's the Labour Leader

[bots]

Scotland's first minister says she faces a "dilemma" over whether a national lockdown should be introduced in the coming days.

Nicola Sturgeon said she was seeking "absolute clarity" from the Treasury as to whether financial support was only available while England is locked down.

A new five-level system of measures came into force in Scotland on Monday.

Ms Sturgeon said a decision on whether to go further within days may depend on how long furlough funding is available.

Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross has also called for the UK government to "commit to extending furlough if Scotland needs to go into lockdown".

Cabinet office minister Michael Gove held a meeting with the leaders of the devolved administrations on Monday morning, and Ms Sturgeon said she was told the Treasury was "listening" to concerns and would be "reflecting" on them.

------------

so the answer is no

[arista]

Labour Leader having a go
at Trace and Trace
Failure.


Of Course Labour is going to Vote
for this 2nd Lockdown

[Cherie]

Labour Leader having a go
at Trace and Trace
Failure.


Of Course Labour is going to Vote
for this 2nd Lockdown

Good

[arista]

The SNP
demands the 80% Money.

Johnson PM: Confirmed yes the whole of the UK
will get the 80%.


Also the Very Small LibDems (11MP's)
is also backing the 2nd Lockdown.

[arista]

Conservative MP
asked about crossing the Wales Border.

The PM says only for essential reasons

[arista]

Cocky WALES MP
Lady thanked Johnson for getting her 2,000
more voters for their independence??

[arista]

136 have died today

18,950 Tested Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
10,918


Patients in ventilator beds
978


46,853 Total Deaths for UK.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

I want to go to central London for the last time before the lockdown.
I love going for a walk in Leicester Square. It's my favourite part of London.
I also want to watch Halloween at the cinema.
Hopefully the numbers will come down soon.

[arista]

I want to go to central London for the last time before the lockdown.
I love going for a walk in Leicester Square. It's my favourite part of London.
I also want to watch Halloween at the cinema.
Hopefully the numbers will come down soon.


Yes overnight they put up Xmas lights
Oxford St.

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Boris Johnson announces fresh help
for self-employed during second lockdown
The PM says support for the self-employed will
be boosted ahead of the new month-long lockdown,
to reflect the furlough extension.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johnson-announces-fresh-help-for-self-employed-during-second-lockdown-12121925

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El21pWHXEAA5vYs?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/102DC/production/_115186266_ft-nc.png

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Millions of 15-minute COVID tests
being developed for UK, says PM
Boris Johnson says areas of the UK
at "very high" alert levels
should be "immediately prioritised" for fast turnaround tests.]



Liverpool Zone on Friday
are doing the new fast test.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-millions-of-15-minute-covid-tests-being-developed-for-uk-says-pm-12105931

[Ammi]

[Coronavirus: Millions of 15-minute COVID tests
being developed for UK, says PM
Boris Johnson says areas of the UK
at "very high" alert levels
should be "immediately prioritised" for fast turnaround tests.]



Liverpool Zone on Friday
are doing the new fast test.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-millions-of-15-minute-covid-tests-being-developed-for-uk-says-pm-12105931


....also the self isolation time for positive testing to be possibly cut from 14 to 7 days as from next week...I don’t know if those article links say that as well...

[bots]

i think the theory is that the overwhelming majority will experience symptoms within 7 days if they are infected, and also people are much more likely to stick to isolation if its 7 rather than 14 days

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201102/it-should-not-be-a-lonely-christmas-merkel-urges-germans-to-help-bring-covid-19-spread-under-control

Merkel: It Shouldn't be a lonely christmas, as she urges germans to help get covid-19 under control

[Vanessa]

i think the theory is that the overwhelming majority will experience symptoms within 7 days if they are infected, and also people are much more likely to stick to isolation if its 7 rather than 14 days

I wonder if those who've had it now have some kind of immunity.
Because I think I've had it back in march, but I've been fine ever since

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El4zlYoXEAEsc39?format=jpg&name=900x900

[AnnieK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El4zlYoXEAEsc39?format=jpg&name=900x900

:laugh:

[Vanessa]

It's nothing like the flu. It literally feels like you're dying.

[user104658]

It's nothing like the flu. It literally feels like you're dying.

For a small minority.

It IS important to point out that as awful as it is for some, some people only have very mild symptoms no worse than a cold (let alone flu) and some have no symptoms at all.

That's not an attempt to minimise it - it's just an accurate depiction of the facts. If you tell people that Covid is always horrendous and then they or someone they know gets it and it isn't anything like described, they're going to believe that EVERYONE is exaggerating their bad experiences, when the truth is that it simply has a wider range of severity than the flu and so it can't be compared in those terms.

The flu is usually pretty rough but usually not severe.

Covid is usually pretty mild but has a higher rate of being more severe.


There's also a complete misconception I feel from people saying it's "just" flu or "no worse than" flu. I suspect people think the common cold is flu. Flu is no joke, tens of thousands of people die from flu every year and many more are hospitalised. It's not a chicken-soup-sniffle.

[Vanessa]

For a small minority.

It IS important to point out that as awful as it is for some, some people only have very mild symptoms no worse than a cold (let alone flu) and some have no symptoms at all.

That's not an attempt to minimise it - it's just an accurate depiction of the facts. If you tell people that Covid is always horrendous and then they or someone they know gets it and it isn't anything like described, they're going to believe that EVERYONE is exaggerating their bad experiences, when the truth is that it simply has a wider range of severity than the flu and so it can't be compared in those terms.

The flu is usually pretty rough but usually not severe.

Covid is usually pretty mild but has a higher rate of being more severe.


There's also a complete misconception I feel from people saying it's "just" flu or "no worse than" flu. I suspect people think the common cold is flu. Flu is no joke, tens of thousands of people die from flu every year and many more are hospitalised. It's not a chicken-soup-sniffle.

Yes, it's different for everyone.
I was lucky that I got better, but it took me a long time to be back to normal.
I still get tired more easily because of it.
I really hope they find a vaccine that works.

[Nicky91]

For a small minority.

It IS important to point out that as awful as it is for some, some people only have very mild symptoms no worse than a cold (let alone flu) and some have no symptoms at all.

That's not an attempt to minimise it - it's just an accurate depiction of the facts. If you tell people that Covid is always horrendous and then they or someone they know gets it and it isn't anything like described, they're going to believe that EVERYONE is exaggerating their bad experiences, when the truth is that it simply has a wider range of severity than the flu and so it can't be compared in those terms.

The flu is usually pretty rough but usually not severe.

Covid is usually pretty mild but has a higher rate of being more severe.


There's also a complete misconception I feel from people saying it's "just" flu or "no worse than" flu. I suspect people think the common cold is flu. Flu is no joke, tens of thousands of people die from flu every year and many more are hospitalised. It's not a chicken-soup-sniffle.

which makes it more dangerous, and more vital that people stay home since some do not know they have the virus if they got no symptoms

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

7,776 new cases

364 new hospitalisations

59 new ICU patients

113 new deaths (yesterday 29)

[AnnieK]

Anyone know the case numbers for today? Have seen it reported that some scientists think we are levelling off on case numbers and the restrictions are starting to have an effect. Obviously, hospital admissions will rise for a while but could be light at the end if the tunnel?

[arista]

Yes I will post them in a sec.


BUT

[Owing to technical difficulties, we have not received cases
data for England. We will update the service as soon as possible.]


Only Yesterday
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Sooooo ....

If someone tests positive for Covid19 and makes a full recovery and goes back to work ... but then their partner then tests positive presumably the person who has already had it has to self isolate for 14 days as well ?!?!?

I can’t recall this ever being mentioned yet it must be happening every day the length and breadth of the country .


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: tonight press conference from our PM Rutte, and health minister De Jonge

not that i'm gonna watch full press conference, goes on bit too long with media questions

and i have my own tv schedule :laugh: and basically i know all new measures already what is leaked

what i already mentioned libraries, museums, theatres and cinemas closing for 2 weeks, and again another warnings for staying home, staying in own country (so no travels for christmas)


and there is a fireworks ban talks here, to prevent hospital staff getting too many non-covid patients due to fireworks damage etc, since main focus of them must go to treating covid patients (i hope so a calm new years eve is what me and my parents and my dog would love)

[Cherie]

Anyone know the case numbers for today? Have seen it reported that some scientists think we are levelling off on case numbers and the restrictions are starting to have an effect. Obviously, hospital admissions will rise for a while but could be light at the end if the tunnel?

It that’s the case it shows the tier system is working as well :fc:

[Nicky91]

new measures for Netherlands will be of effect tomorrow evening at 22:00 PM

[Nicky91]

Rutte: it's not going very badly as we look at numbers now, but it is also not going good enough, therefore we need those newer measures

[user104658]

Anyone know the case numbers for today? Have seen it reported that some scientists think we are levelling off on case numbers and the restrictions are starting to have an effect. Obviously, hospital admissions will rise for a while but could be light at the end if the tunnel?

Apparently it's been levelling off in Scotland for a few weeks (hence us not having to go into a nationwide lockdown) and measures here started a few weeks earlier so it may well be beginning to level off.

That said, current levels are too high for a levelling off to be enough - the current levels have to come down fairly fast or hospitals are going to be swamped, and if hospitals are swamped then there will be a spike in deaths even without an increase in cases.

[AnnieK]

It that’s the case it shows the tier system is working as well :fc:

Absolutely so the lockdown combined with what has already happened will hopefully give us a fighting chance or driving the rates down further. They are estimating the R is now hovering around 1 so definitely :fc:

[Zizu]

Netherlands: tonight press conference from our PM Rutte, and health minister De Jonge

not that i'm gonna watch full press conference, goes on bit too long with media questions

and i have my own tv schedule :laugh: and basically i know all new measures already what is leaked

what i already mentioned libraries, museums, theatres and cinemas closing for 2 weeks, and again another warnings for staying home, staying in own country (so no travels for christmas)


and there is a fireworks ban talks here, to prevent hospital staff getting too many non-covid patients due to fireworks damage etc, since main focus of them must go to treating covid patients (i hope so a calm new years eve is what me and my parents and my dog would love)



Good luck with the fireworks issue ..the offenders will simply not abide by any rules imposed on them - it feels like we are under attack every night where we are in the NW ... youths are somehow managing to afford very expensive ( huge ) fireworks and even making their own by putting two or more of them together !!

Those single rockets which explode with a single BOOM start at £15 each .. the ones that have multiple explosions are around £75 !!

Some are far , far more expensive ..

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[Cherie]

Good luck with the fireworks issue .. it feels like we are under attack every night where we are in the NW ... youths are somehow managing to afford very expensive ( huge ) fireworks and even making their own by putting two or more of them together !!




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It’s been really quiet here, some supermarkets not selling has had a big impact, usually a week before Halloween they start going off...Thurs and Diwali on the 14th will be great if it’s confined to those two nights because of a shortage :fc:

[Zizu]

It’s been really quiet here, some supermarkets not selling has had a big impact, usually a week before Halloween they start going off...Thurs and Diwali on the 14th will be great if it’s confined to those two nights because of a shortage :fc:



Most seem to being bought online .. FREE delivery !!

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[arista]

Anyone know the case numbers for today? Have seen it reported that some scientists think we are levelling off on case numbers and the restrictions are starting to have an effect. Obviously, hospital admissions will rise for a while but could be light at the end if the tunnel?


Even worse now.
Last Hour this:


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[Cherie]

Most seem to being bought online .. FREE delivery !!

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Not too many kids can afford those, can they :shrug:

[arista]

2,000 Army troops are assisting in Liverpool
on Friday.
Some will get the Fast 3M Lateral Flow test Covid-19
but others will get the slow test - sent to labs


Ref:Ch4HDnews.

[Zizu]

Not too many kids can afford those, can they :shrug:



So who’s paying for all these going off every night ??


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[reece(:]

Sick of hoarders already, no bread or ready meals were on the shelves today. Did they not learn from last time with the ridiculous bulk buying?

[Kate!]

Sick of hoarders already, no bread or ready meals were on the shelves today. Did they not learn from last time with the ridiculous bulk buying?

Its bloody ridiculous. They'd stripped the shelves at my Tesco when I attempted to do our weekly shop. Smh.

[Cherie]

Its bloody ridiculous. They'd stripped the shelves at my Tesco when I attempted to do our weekly shop. Smh.

No really? I haven’t been food shopping since Thurs, didn’t even think it would happen again...so back to queuing :facepalm:

[arista]

Today 397 Died

20,018 Tested today Covid-19


Patients in hospital
11,458

Patients in ventilator beds
1,075


47,250 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Ammi]

...so many empty shelves at the supermarket yesterday, it really was quite sad...I only went for a few bits so I did get everything...but there was a lady there who had also gone for just a few bits and she couldn’t get any of them....she was tearful...:sad:...

[Vanessa]

...so many empty shelves at the supermarket yesterday, it really was quite sad...I only went for a few bits so I did get everything...but there was a lady there who had also gone for just a few bits and she couldn’t get any of them....she was tearful...:sad:...
I''ve been doing my shopping online and so far I haven't had any problems.
Iceland seems to we well stocked up.

[Cherie]

...so many empty shelves at the supermarket yesterday, it really was quite sad...I only went for a few bits so I did get everything...but there was a lady there who had also gone for just a few bits and she couldn’t get any of them....she was tearful...:sad:...

Greedy people and even greedier supermarkets, they should have immediately put a limit on essential items, without even going to the supermarket I know what will be short TR, eggs, flour, pasta, tinned and frozen stuff, soap, I will be raging if queues are back again :fist:

[Vanessa]

At least the Poundshop will still be open.
I like going there to get my cleaning stuff.

[Cherie]

I''ve been doing my shopping online and so far I haven't had any problems.
Iceland seems to we well stocked up.

There have been no issues but apparently people went nuts when lockdown 2 was announced?

[AnnieK]

I'm going shopping this morning, I don't need lots as I've kept pretty stocked up since the first nightmare and did a lot of batch cooking over the summer so we have lots frozen but I do need pasta today and everyone saying its gone off the shelves. I will be mad :mad: if I can't get any.

[Ammi]

Greedy people and even greedier supermarkets, they should have immediately put a limit on essential items, without even going to the supermarket I know what will be short TR, eggs, flour, pasta, tinned and frozen stuff, soap, I will be raging if queues are back again :fist:

...most fresh stuff as well...I noticed the meat shelves were empty ...and very little butter/cheese etc...I had actually gone for fruit mainly and got the ones I wanted but there was very little fruit and even less in vegetables...no potatoes at all...

[Vanessa]

I'm going shopping this morning, I don't need lots as I've kept pretty stocked up since the first nightmare and did a lot of batch cooking over the summer so we have lots frozen but I do need pasta today and everyone saying its gone off the shelves. I will be mad :mad: if I can't get any.

Yes, I hope pasta doesn't run out.
I make it pretty much everyday.

[Ammi]

I'm going shopping this morning, I don't need lots as I've kept pretty stocked up since the first nightmare and did a lot of batch cooking over the summer so we have lots frozen but I do need pasta today and everyone saying its gone off the shelves. I will be mad :mad: if I can't get any.

...yeah, there was no pasta at ours at all...I am running low on quite a few fresh products...

[Cherie]

...most fresh stuff as well...I noticed the meat shelves were empty ...and very little butter/cheese etc...I had actually gone for fruit mainly and got the ones I wanted but there was very little fruit and even less in vegetables...no potatoes at all...

The sheer greed is astonishing

[AnnieK]

The sheer greed is astonishing

Its greed AND selfishness and it really sickens me. It's annoying because we've been here before, we know the shops will stay open, we know they will stayed stocked so why are people doing it? I liked shopping last time when they only had a few people in and it was all quiet, gave me an excuse to leave the house and get some bits.

[bots]

i have a food home delivery due tomorrow, i wonder how messed up it will be :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

I’m with you ladies when it comes to seeing the sheer greed in shops.

When I see this i am truly sickened by the human race.

[Ammi]

...I hope that supermarkets act quickly to allow specific shopping hours for essential workers and the more vulnerable etc and not wait until people are despaired ...one of the things that was different this time for me...is at the beginning of the last ‘panic buy’...although there was little left of some products, there was often something left...the more expensive brands, with the cheaper ones being bought ...but yesterday there was completely nothing on so many shelves.../...regardless of cost and expensive brands etc, everything had gone...


...anyways, hopefully you all won’t have similar...I had to shop later in the day on the last few times, so not the best time, either...earlier morning shops I think will be much more the thing and probably okay...

[AnnieK]

...I hope that supermarkets act quickly to allow specific shopping hours for essential workers and the more vulnerable etc and not wait until people are despaired ...one of the things that was different this time for me...is at the beginning of the last ‘panic buy’...although there was little left of some products, there was often something left...the more expensive brands, with the cheaper ones being bought ...but yesterday there was completely nothing on so many shelves.../...regardless of cost and expensive brands etc, everything had gone...


...anyways, hopefully you all won’t have similar...I had to shop later in the day on the last few times, so not the best time, either...earlier morning shops I think will be much more the thing and probably okay...

I'm going straight after the school run....will let you know! I'm hoping it might be different here as we've been under pretty strict rules with Tier 3 with a lot of non essential businesses closed anyway so hoping my fellow Mancs are sensible (don't know who I'm trying to kid, we've not been sensible which is why we were in Tier 3 in the first place :laugh:)

[Ammi]

I'm going straight after the school run....will let you know! I'm hoping it might be different here as we've been under pretty strict rules with Tier 3 with a lot of non essential businesses closed anyway so hoping my fellow Mancs are sensible (don't know who I'm trying to kid, we've not been sensible which is why we were in Tier 3 in the first place :laugh:)

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[Kizzy]

If I go shopping I go just before it closes they are usually out restocking already at that time so it's quiet and I can get what I need easily.

Don't forget the smaller stores, corner shops and some garages have stock too if you are struggling to get things from supermarkets.

[Ammi]

...the reason that I tend to do the supermarket more atm...is it’s now walkable for me ...so I don’t do ‘big shops’ anymore, I just get a few things that I’m able to carry and shop that way ...and using the car much less..but yeah, smaller shops as well is supporting local business...

[user104658]

I haven't experienced any stock shortages but I dunno if that's because it's not happening in Scotland yet, or because I tend to be in supermarkets later in the evening and they've had a chance to restock shelves as Kizzy suggests.

Certainly nothing like Spring when I couldn't get eggs for months :fist:.

[Cherie]

There was an interesting segment on the London news last night, scientists from Imperial College have been swabbing the underground and buses key traffic areas after rush hour, bells on buses, hand rails, escalators, ticket barriers, etc have returned no virus evident for two months in a row so cleaning regimes seem to be working :clap1: keep those masks on