Coronavirus Outbreak

[arista]

How Nice to have Tomatoes with My Scotch Egg. (Good enough for MTVN)
https://e3.365dm.com/20/11/768x432/skynews-scotch-egg-tomatoes_5189973.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20201130113936


[COVID-19: Scotch egg demand surges
tenfold under Tier 2 pub alcohol rules
A major supplier to the pub industry says
demand for the once
unfashionable food has rocketed in recent weeks.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-scotch-egg-demand-surges-tenfold-under-tier-2-pub-alcohol-rules-12158811

[arista]

21,502 today caught Covid-19 in the UK

519 have died today.
63,506 Total UK deaths.

Patients in hospital
16,136

Patients on ventilation
1,267

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

i'm cringing now at my country, most dutch people blame belgians for recent bad corona numbers


btw our data of today in this english article

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/ministers-to-meet-on-sunday-as-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-rise/

[Zizu]

21,502 today caught Covid-19 in the UK

519 have died today.
63,506 Total UK deaths.

Patients in hospital
16,136

Patients on ventilation
1,267

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Those are horrific for a weekend when three numbers are usually lower than usual


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Those are horrific for a weekend when three numbers are usually lower than usual


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do you know the numbers pre corona?

[bots]

do you know the numbers pre corona?

they were zero, because these figures are specifically covid

[Zizu]

do you know the numbers pre corona?



That’s a whole different conversation..


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[Zizu]

they were zero, because these figures are specifically covid



Exactly


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[Kizzy]

do you know the numbers pre corona?

Pre corona do you think that there were 1,267 people requiring ventilators?

[arista]

CNN HD
reported Live L.A.
California

A massive Protest
against the Lockdown.
Many shops are going bankrupt.

[Kizzy]

Fgs I hope the fda approve the vaccine because there's never going to be an effective lock down anywhere ever again...it's over. People are just going to keep dying in their 1000's

[MTVN]

Those are horrific for a weekend when three numbers are usually lower than usual


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Numbers aren't usually lower because they report Fridays figures on a Sat (i.e. not a weekend)

[MTVN]

It is quite depressing though that it seems to take 4 weeks of lockdown to control infections and only one week of non lockdown to have them rise again

Thank God for the vaccines progress or we'd never get out of this

[Cherie]

Fgs I hope the fda approve the vaccine because there's never going to be an effective lock down anywhere ever again...it's over. People are just going to keep dying in their 1000's

It’s been approved a few days ago, first vaccine tomorrow

[Zizu]

Numbers aren't usually lower because they report Fridays figures on a Sat (i.e. not a weekend)



Ah .. I thought the numbers were usually low Sat /Sun/ Monday


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[bots]

It is quite depressing though that it seems to take 4 weeks of lockdown to control infections and only one week of non lockdown to have them rise again

Thank God for the vaccines progress or we'd never get out of this

if people mix at the christmas period its going to be very grim. If people could just wait 3 months until the most vulnerable are vaccinated, they will be able to enjoy themselves without worry

[Cherie]

if people mix at the christmas period its going to be very grim. If people could just wait 3 months until the most vulnerable are vaccinated, they will be able to enjoy themselves without worry

Literally do not understand the thinking ..might be different with no vaccine but to risk health for a roast dinner defies belief

[user104658]

It is quite depressing though that it seems to take 4 weeks of lockdown to control infections and only one week of non lockdown to have them rise again

Thank God for the vaccines progress or we'd never get out of thisIn winter. In summer we went several months without infection rates going back up, that only happened as we started heading back into the winter months. I'd bet fairly heavy money on Covid being back next winter to some extent.

[MTVN]

In winter. In summer we went several months without infection rates going back up, that only happened as we started heading back into the winter months. I'd bet fairly heavy money on Covid being back next winter to some extent.

We had a much longer and much stricter lockdown in spring though that reduced infection so much we were below 1000 cases a day at one point. Winter is worse but the ratio of time to bring down infections:time it takes infections to rise is pretty bad in any season I'd suggest

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

It’s been approved a few days ago, first vaccine tomorrow

It was yesterday, trump threatened to sack them if they didn't.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201213/merkel-in-crisis-talks-for-tougher-shutdown-in-germany

Merkel in crisis talks for tougher shutdown in the entire country

[arista]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201213/merkel-in-crisis-talks-for-tougher-shutdown-in-germany

Merkel in crisis talks for tougher shutdown in the entire country


Yes she must
Cancel Exmas.


No one wants a Massive Rise in
infections

[arista]

It’s been approved a few days ago, first vaccine tomorrow


Good on you
take it easy the rest of the day.

[arista]

[COVID-19: Snow leopard in Louisville tests positive
for coronavirus
Rather than anesthetising the leopards to
get a throat and nose swab,
vets used their faeces in the testing process.]



I hope it stays alive.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-snow-leopard-in-louisville-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-12158797

[bots]

[COVID-19: Snow leopard in Louisville tests positive
for coronavirus
Rather than anesthetising the leopards to
get a throat and nose swab,
vets used their faeces in the testing process.]



I hope it stays alive.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-snow-leopard-in-louisville-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-12158797

bet the leopard wasn't impressed at having vet faeces shoved up it's nose

[arista]

bet the leopard wasn't impressed at having vet faeces shoved up it's nose


How did it catch it
A keeper getting close
or from a bird dropping?

[bots]

How did it catch it
A keeper getting close
or from a bird dropping?

does it matter? I don't think many people will be getting together with leopards for christmas dinner

[arista]

does it matter? I don't think many people will be getting together with leopards for christmas dinner


Yes so it never happens, again.

[Cherie]

Good on you
take it easy the rest of the day.

Not me, in the US

[Nicky91]

Yes she must
Cancel Exmas.


No one wants a Massive Rise in
infections

the socializing bit of christmas is being cancelled for sure, but christmas itself won't be cancelled

[arista]

144 today died

64,170 Total UK Deaths

18,447 today tested for Covid-19

Patients in hospital
16,531

Patients on ventilation
1,275


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Kizzy]

That's a big drop but it is the weekend so :/

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpJ2aRuU0AUG8On?format=jpg&name=small


This is like a set up
to get him front page

[arista]

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[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpJ2aRuVQAEuzYd?format=jpg&name=small

oh for Gods sake, was it due to Dom? :laugh:

Grandma will tear strips off her

Why aren't these establishments closed down as they are not following the rules?

[Nicky91]

oh for Gods sake, was it due to Dom? :laugh:

Grandma will tear strips off her

Why aren't these establishments closed down as they are not following the rules?

because of the economy

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/ministers-meet-to-discuss-shop-closures-possible-new-year-curfew/

Netherlands: possible shop closures, and a possible new year curfew

[Nicky91]

as if people are gonna listen to those rules in my country LOL, and who gotta control that, our police, lmao they never do anything but sit on their arses and eat donuts all day long

[Cherie]

because of the economy

if its a rule break they should be closed?

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Breaking every non-essential store, schools, almost everything closed until 19th of January


what a joke, only because germany did it first, and Rutte is Merkel's lapdog :joker:

[bots]

MPs for London and surrounding areas - including Kent, Essex and Hertfordshire - were briefed by the government this morning, ahead of a review of England's coronavirus restrictions this week.

One MP told our political correspondent Helen Catt they were presented with “an alarming set of data” about the rate of growth of coronavirus both in London and in those areas.

The MP said they were told Covid-19 cases were doubling every five to seven to days and in London high rates were no longer confined to certain areas, with infections spreading throughout all boroughs.

A "pretty alarming" picture was painted on the call, our correspondent said.

[arista]

Netherlands: Breaking every non-essential store, schools, almost everything closed until 19th of January


what a joke, only because germany did it first, and Rutte is Merkel's lapdog :joker:


Yes makes sense
Wales has had a Massive Rise in infections
for example.

London could go up to Tier 3
very soon

[arista]

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[COVID-19: Decision over moving London into Tier 3 could be made today,
mayor Sadiq Khan says

Sadiq Khan says it's "possible" a decision could come today,
due to a "big increase in the virus" over the last few days.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-decision-to-move-london-into-tier-3-could-be-made-today-mayor-sadiq-khan-says-12161128

[Ammi]

Christmas rules not changing despite soaring COVID rates in parts of UK, government insists...


The easing of COVID-19 restrictions over Christmas will still go ahead despite spiking infections in parts of the UK, Downing Street has said.

The prime minister’s official spokesperson said there were no plans to shorten the period when families can meet up in their Christmas bubbles.

The spokesperson said: “We’ve set out the details of the Christmas guidelines.

“There are no plans to review the Christmas guidance. What we’ve said alongside that is that the public should continue to be cautious.

“I think the prime minister said it’s the season to be jolly careful and we would emphasise that we should continue to do that.


...full article...
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/christmas-rules-not-changing-despite-covid-spike-government-confirms-125805397.html

[Nicky91]

netherlands: our PM Rutte will be holding a speech live at 19:00 for all dutch tv channels, and some radio channels will broadcast it as well


Airport Schiphol and all religious churches will remain open, Hotels are allowed to stay open too but they cannot serve food and drinks anymore to guests in their restaurant, that includes room service, take away businesses can remain open (all the while with social distancing and wearing face masks)

Libraries can remain open for taking and bringing back of books

community centres remain open for vulnerable people

maximum number of people at funerals remains at 100


there'll be no curfew for now

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/the-netherlands-faces-lockdown-from-tonight-to-january-19/

here's english article regarding details of the lockdown

[bots]

Christmas rules not changing despite soaring COVID rates in parts of UK, government insists...


The easing of COVID-19 restrictions over Christmas will still go ahead despite spiking infections in parts of the UK, Downing Street has said.

The prime minister’s official spokesperson said there were no plans to shorten the period when families can meet up in their Christmas bubbles.

The spokesperson said: “We’ve set out the details of the Christmas guidelines.

“There are no plans to review the Christmas guidance. What we’ve said alongside that is that the public should continue to be cautious.

“I think the prime minister said it’s the season to be jolly careful and we would emphasise that we should continue to do that.


...full article...
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/christmas-rules-not-changing-despite-covid-spike-government-confirms-125805397.html

it's complete madness, but i think they know people will just ignore the rules anyway and they can't enforce them

[arista]

it's complete madness, but i think they know people will just ignore the rules anyway and they can't enforce them


They are in Panic
Do not Kill Granny.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1338482218105180162

[arista]

London MP's
told it is going into Tier 3.


Also Parts of Essex and Herts

[arista]

The Cock
(Health Secretary) will spell it all out live
3:30PM Live all media
Parliament.

[Josiah.]

I just saw the notification from the Sky News app on my phone.

It's upsetting but not surprising, given that the same situation has been happening in the US too. The whole of Pennsylvania is in the equivalent of a Tier 2/Tier 3 hybrid restrictions until 3 January.

[Cherie]

Not unexpected, when you see Oxford Street rammed with maskless shoppers...hospitality paying the price again

[LukeB]

Not unexpected, when you see Oxford Street rammed with maskless shoppers...hospitality paying the price again

And they will continue to do so with inevitable lockdown 3.0 on it's way! made the last lockdown pretty useless. One month lockdown with relaxing it during a busy period lol whose idea was that

[arista]

Not unexpected, when you see Oxford Street rammed with maskless shoppers...hospitality paying the price again


Yes no gaps
packed shoppers


Crazy.

[Cherie]

And they will continue to do so with inevitable lockdown 3.0 on it's way! made the last lockdown pretty useless. One more lockdown with relaxing it during a busy period lol whose idea was that

The majority of the public are a hot mess, looking at the Government to do something when it is all in their own hands

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/14/15/36826672-0-image-m-19_1607958417422.jpg

[arista]

Reports it starts at Midnight Tuesday.


London in Tier3

[The Slim Reaper]

Well then...

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

A new variant of covid has been identified which may account for the faster spread in the SE Great to get happy news

[arista]

A new variant of covid has been identified which may account for the faster spread in the SE Great to get happy news


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/14/15/36828542-0-image-m-22_1607961145819.jpg

[hijaxers]

Jeez all this latest news is just so depressing !

[arista]

A "new variant" of coronavirus has been
identified in the UK, which is believed to be
causing the faster spread in the South East,
Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said.


https://news.sky.com/story/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk-health-secretary-says-12161416
More than 1,000 cases of the new variant
have been found, "predominantly in the south of England",
Mr Hancock told the House of Commons this afternoon.

[The Slim Reaper]

This New FASTER KILLER

A "new variant" of coronavirus has been
identified in the UK, which is believed to be
causing the faster spread in the South East,
Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said.


https://news.sky.com/story/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk-health-secretary-says-12161416
More than 1,000 cases of the new variant
have been found, "predominantly in the south of England",
Mr Hancock told the House of Commons this afternoon.

All the info so far says it isn't anymore lethal.

[arista]

All the info so far says it isn't anymore lethal.


But it moves Faster

[Samm]

This New FASTER KILLER


not this fearmongering, where has it been stated it kills faster. If a virus develops a new strain is usually means it's getting weaker. faster the spread, the less deadly it is.

[The Slim Reaper]

But it moves Faster

To spread, not to kill.

[arista]

To spread, not to kill.


We will see in a few months

[The Slim Reaper]

We will see in a few months

You are bang on wrong poster

spreading false information

[arista]

You are bang on wrong poster

spreading false information


Removed my top line for you

[bots]

It depends where this strain came from, if it's the mink one, it could be nasty rather than a human generated variant which would probably be less nasty

[The Slim Reaper]

Removed my top line for you

you are most wise

[Smithy]

London MP's
told it is going into Tier 3.


Also Parts of Essex and Herts

Thank **** for that, should have been tier 3 at the end of the lockdown

[Beso]

I blame the joggers.

[arista]

Downing St.
Health Secretary Conference. on now

Prof Whitty & Prof. Fenton.

SkyNewsHD
LBC.
Radio 5

[Zizu]

I blame the joggers.



The 11 to 18 yr old ones ??


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[Vanessa]

I think they need to close the schools.

[Zizu]

I think they need to close the schools.



We all close on Friday , many on Thursday ...


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[arista]

Hancock has Finished
his talking
10 Downing St.

[Crimson Dynamo]

halfcock is a scaremongering div and vitty is not much better

[Zizu]

So if this new ‘virus variant’ is in the London area why don’t they ring fence the area NOW .... surely it’s going to spread like wildfire to the rest of us ??


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[hijaxers]

halfcock is a scaremongering div and vitty is not much better

:joker: loved the Sadiqqi gent calling him Hamcock by mistake on Gogglebox ~ brilliant .

[Zizu]

The majority of the public are a hot mess, looking at the Government to do something when it is all in their own hands



The trouble with ANY government ( whichever party is in office) is that we can’t trust them to do what they promise to do or what they say they’re doing . .. we can’t even trust that they’ve done what they SAY they’ve done .


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[arista]

Today 232 Died

64,402 Total UK deaths

20,263 have caught Covid-19 today.

Patients in hospital
16,531

Patients on ventilation
1,275

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[WingsFan1]

People can’t social distance in London. It’s impossible to this is so wrong on so many levels I reckon it’s gonna get worse cause if shops especially in December and public transport people coming back from work

[Vanessa]

Hopefully the vaccine will help to bring cases down.

[Dogeatdog]

So if this new ‘virus variant’ is in the London area why don’t they ring fence the area NOW .... surely it’s going to spread like wildfire to the rest of us ??


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[Zizu]

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[AnnieK]

Its one step forward (vaccine) two steps back (new variant) at the moment. Feel sorry for the businesses in London who are affected by Tier 3.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

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It’s too late to rethink Xmas bubbles .. most have already made plans and have been looking forward to a fairly normal Christmas.... that’s a mindset now and I think they will all do what they planned even if the government scrap or adjust the rules .


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[arista]

It’s too late to rethink Xmas bubbles .. most have already made plans and have been looking forward to a fairly normal Christmas.... that’s a mindset now and I think they will all do what they planned even if the government scrap or adjust the rules .






Yes but more data
can update everyone.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Hard Lockdown Unavoidable says PM Rutte

ruling out foreign travel until March

https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/ANP-426215025-560x406.jpg

Prime minister Mark Rutte called on everyone in the Netherlands to work together to combat coronavirus in an address to the nation on Monday night, and urged people not to make plans to travel abroad until mid March at least.

Speaking from his private office in The Hague against a soundtrack of chants from anti coronavirus rules campaigners, Rutte said that he hoped this would be the last time he would have to speak directly to the population.

The Netherlands, Rutte said, is going into lockdown, involving all places where people come together. The aim, he said, is to reduce human contact to a minimum and so try to prevent the virus from spreading.

‘We realise just how far-reaching this decision is, particularly given that we are in the Christmas period,’ Rutte said. ‘This has been a year of sadness and mourning for many… and one in which stress and loneliness have moved through all the generations.’

Rutte urged everyone to keep to the rules, and said that the majority of the population are doing their best. ‘It is not an innocent flu … as the demonstrators outside seem to think,’ the prime minister said, referring to the noisy group chanting outside his office.

The new measures will remain in effect until January 19 and, Rutte said, he and health minister Hugo de Jonge will hold a press conference on January 12 to outline what the next stages will be.

Schools

The most far-reaching measure, Rutte said, is to close all schools, colleges and universities until January 18, with the exception of people taking exams or involved in practicals.

All non-essential shops will shut, but markets, chemists and dry cleaners and launderettes will remain open. ‘This is a hard message for some shops, but this is what we have to do,’ Rutte said. The scope of government support measures is being widened and the greater the loss, the more support shops can apply for, the prime minister said.

All public buildings will close, but libraries will remain open to exchange books. Hotels can stay open but can no longer provide their guests with food or drinks because ‘too many people are using hotels to eat out’, Rutte said.

Funeral parlours will remain open, and vulnerable groups will still be able to attend community centres, he said. All jobs involving physical contact but which are not of a medical nature will also be closed for the five week period. Cannabis cafes and restaurants can remain open for takeaway services, as they are at present.

Groups outside must be no greater than two, which means you can walk with a friend. as long as you keep 1.5 metres distance, Rutte said. Outdoor sport for adults is also limited to two, but walking and cycling are still to be recommended, the PM told viewers.

Travel too remains a controversial area. ‘Stay at home and don’t travel unless necessary,’ he said. ‘Of course, if you have rented a house for Christmas you can visit it, but while you are there, stick to the rules as well.’

Foreign travel

Travel abroad for all but essential reasons should be avoided up to mid March,Rutte said. ‘The risks and uncertainties are too great,’ the prime minister said. ‘We will also ask our neighbouring countries to make sure their people do the same,’ he said.


From Tuesday, everyone arriving in the Netherlands from outside the EU will have to provide a document at Schiphol airport showing they have tested negative for the virus.

Working at home must once again become the norm and public transport is again being reserved for essential journeys. ‘We have to reduce work related infections, which are still far too high,’ he said, and appealed directly to employers, urging them to make it possible for people to work at home.


The prime minister ended on a positive note, telling his audience that things ‘will get better’. ‘There will come a moment when coronavirus is behind us,’ he said. ‘2021 will be a year of hope, when there is light at the end of the tunnel.’

‘In the coming weeks, it is all down to reducing contacts and we have to help each other to do this,’ he said. ‘We will get through this together, and for each other.’

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/hard-lockdown-unavoidable-says-dutch-pm-ruling-out-foreign-travel-until-march/

[Nicky91]

also since it was not a usual press conference, some minister of our parliament were at talk shows to answer questions

finance minister and new CDA leader Wopke Hoekstra said that they aren't competing against each other using this coronacrisis for next years elections, but that they are working together against corona, that that is the only way to get rid of corona, if we work together

i think all governments from all countries across the world should have this same mentality



also a shame how Rutte's speech got disturbed by anti-maskers whistling and chants in the park across the tower office and Rutte himself also mentioned them as underestimating this virus as just a flu which is the wrong mindset in fighting the invisible enemy

[Nicky91]

viewer ratings for Rutte's speech was 8.5 million

of those, 6 million watched at NOS, 1.9 million via RTL4, 470k via SBS6


never before this many viewers for one program (that wasn't a sports event), also broke the record of the first corona press conference which had 7.6 million viewers

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1338438096837337091

well said Ursula, the whole world must work together as one united front against covid-19

[arista]

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[Zizu]

also since it was not a usual press conference, some minister of our parliament were at talk shows to answer questions

finance minister and new CDA leader Wopke Hoekstra said that they aren't competing against each other using this coronacrisis for next years elections, but that they are working together against corona, that that is the only way to get rid of corona, if we work together

i think all governments from all countries across the world should have this same mentality



also a shame how Rutte's speech got disturbed by anti-maskers whistling and chants in the park across the tower office and Rutte himself also mentioned them as underestimating this virus as just a flu which is the wrong mindset in fighting the invisible enemy



They should have turned the power hoses on them ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

also since it was not a usual press conference, some minister of our parliament were at talk shows to answer questions

finance minister and new CDA leader Wopke Hoekstra said that they aren't competing against each other using this coronacrisis for next years elections, but that they are working together against corona, that that is the only way to get rid of corona, if we work together

i think all governments from all countries across the world should have this same mentality



also a shame how Rutte's speech got disturbed by anti-maskers whistling and chants in the park across the tower office and Rutte himself also mentioned them as underestimating this virus as just a flu which is the wrong mindset in fighting the invisible enemy

did he show specifically how a lockdown will have an effect on covid deaths and show his workings?

[Nicky91]

did he show specifically how a lockdown will have an effect on covid deaths and show his workings?

deaths are not important


a hard lockdown will get numbers of daily new cases down


daily new cases, new hospitalisations, to get ICU numbers down is more important

[Crimson Dynamo]

deaths are not important


a hard lockdown will get numbers of daily new cases down


daily new cases, new hospitalisations, to get ICU numbers down is more important

ok

:umm2:

[Zizu]

also since it was not a usual press conference, some minister of our parliament were at talk shows to answer questions

finance minister and new CDA leader Wopke Hoekstra said that they aren't competing against each other using this coronacrisis for next years elections, but that they are working together against corona, that that is the only way to get rid of corona, if we work together

i think all governments from all countries across the world should have this same mentality






Especially in our country ..



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[Cherie]

all secondary schools and Colleges will have regular tests from January, staff will be tested weekly

Good luck Zizu!

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: all health care workers could be vaccinated within 6 weeks


and some more good news

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1338836944088948738

first europeans might be vaccinated before the end of 2020

[Vicky.]

all secondary schools and Colleges will have regular tests from January, staff will be tested weekly

Good luck Zizu!

I hope they are not the same tests I got. Was quite early on in this, but I swear I was meant to touch my brain with how high the stick was meant to go, and I gagged like hell with the tonsil bit too. Feel bad for teachers/kids if its still that one :(

[Tom4784]

I just hope they're ready with a lot more vaccinations in the new year because we'll likely get another wave in the wake of Christmas.

[Nicky91]

christmas in my country can still be celebrated, then the hard lockdown will ease down a tiny bit, Rutte at least understands christmas holiday is also good for our morale for those few days



in Germany they are thinking of sending quick testing kits to households, to get themselves tested, and if a negative result they can invite some relatives over (with asking them too to get tested)

[Vicky.]

I genuinely don't see how the vaccine thing will work in reality, especially if the whole country is getting it (obviously excet those who can't) and last I read, it looked like it was going to be something done every 6 months/year, similar to flu jab?

I don't really see how we could afford double (or quadruple, as it seems 2 doses are needed..) vacinating ever person. Nice thught, but I cannot see it at all..

[LukeB]

all secondary schools and Colleges will have regular tests from January, staff will be tested weekly

Good luck Zizu!

Should have been done ages ago but hey the gov sure loves doing things late.

[Nicky91]

but the reason it went up in germany quite fast is due to carelessness

https://www.thelocal.de/20201215/covid-19-worse-than-ever-in-germany-due-to

The number of cases is higher than ever before and it continues to rise, said RKI President Lothar Wieler in Berlin on Tuesday.

He said there was a danger that the situation would continue to worsen and that it would become increasingly difficult to deal with the pandemic and its consequences.

With between 12,000 and 30,000 new infections reported per day, the number of cases in December was significantly higher than in November, Wieler explained.

Last week saw a record high of nearly 30,000 new infections in one day, with the number of deaths also rising steadily.

Currently, 325,000 people in Germany are infected with Sars-CoV-2, compared to a few thousand in the summer months. The group of 80-year-olds is increasingly affected, with a particularly high risk of severe and fatal courses of the disease.

The fact that far too many people are currently infected is "the result of carelessness on the part of some people", said Wieler. The number of new infections must now drop significantly. He called on people to limit contacts to the bare minimum.

Personally, he would not take advantage of the decided maximum number at meetings over Christmas, but deliberately stay below it.

At the same press conference, Health Minister Jens Spahn of the Christian Democrats (CDU) said he was optimistic that a vaccine could be approved on December 23rd.

The goal is to achieve European vaccine approval before Christmas, he said, and then to be able to start vaccinating in Germany before the turn of the year.

Spahn said on Monday that he was hopeful that 60 percent of Germans could be vaccinated by the autumn.

[Vanessa]

I genuinely don't see how the vaccine thing will work in reality, especially if the whole country is getting it (obviously excet those who can't) and last I read, it looked like it was going to be something done every 6 months/year, similar to flu jab?

I don't really see how we could afford double (or quadruple, as it seems 2 doses are needed..) vacinating ever person. Nice thught, but I cannot see it at all..
Well, I think it's a step in the right direction.
And down vaccines only need one dose, so hopefully we'll be able to to get one of those.

[Vicky.]

Should have been done ages ago but hey the gov sure loves doing things late.

Schools weren't done as government knew school numbers would be high, and that does not go hand in hand with their message about covid not daring to enter schools at all, nothing to worry about! It knows not to spread in schools. Same as it knew not to spread until 10pm! :D

[Vanessa]

I just hope they're ready with a lot more vaccinations in the new year because we'll likely get another wave in the wake of Christmas.

Oh we definitely will.

[Vicky.]

Well, I think it's a step in the right direction.
And down vaccines only need one dose, so hopefully we'll be able to to get one of those.

Oh of course, its brilliant news, especially for those more vulnerable.

Which one only needs 1? One they keep going on about in the news is one where you have a week or two wait inbetween vaccinations..

[Tom4784]

I think most of them require two doses, not heard anything about having to re-vaccinate though.

[Vicky.]

Hopefully I just remember that wrong, remember reading about it mutating and stuff.. I have definitely read articles though that suggest immunity from catching it is only for a few months, so wouldn't this also go for a vaccine? I really do think we should focus on the elderly, ill people, and keyworkers. The rest of us should have to deal really..I know the groups I mentioned are front of the line anyway, but tbh, I think that should be the only line, no more joining! Leaves more time to focus on those who are actually in danger.

Been actively trying to avoid covid stuff though as its too depressing to listen to it for like..9 months nonestop! So might have missed a LOT :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Hopefully I just remember that wrong, remember reading about it mutating and stuff.. I have definitely read articles though that suggest immunity from catching it is only for a few months, so wouldn't this also go for a vaccine? I really do think we should focus on the elderly, ill people, and keyworkers. The rest of us should have to deal really..I know the groups I mentioned are front of the line anyway, but tbh, I think that should be the only line, no more joining! Leaves more time to focus on those who are actually in danger.

Been actively trying to avoid covid stuff though as its too depressing to listen to it for like..9 months nonestop! So might have missed a LOT :laugh:

yup i can understand that quite well, it all feels sad and depressing


i'd also say all health care workers, frontline workers after this pandemic they should be getting free tickets for concerts or movie premieres, and good bonusses on top of their salary, as a compensation for their hard work

[bots]

they don't know how long the vaccine will protect people for. If they can vaccinate people quickly across the world, the virus will have fewer hosts to mutate in, so the vaccine will last longer. However, a virus becomes less deadly as it mutates, because its ultimate goal is to spread and killing the host doesn't help that

[arista]

Hopefully I just remember that wrong, remember reading about it mutating and stuff.. I have definitely read articles though that suggest immunity from catching it is only for a few months, so wouldn't this also go for a vaccine? I really do think we should focus on the elderly, ill people, and keyworkers. The rest of us should have to deal really..I know the groups I mentioned are front of the line anyway, but tbh, I think that should be the only line, no more joining! Leaves more time to focus on those who are actually in danger.

Been actively trying to avoid covid stuff though as its too depressing to listen to it for like..9 months nonestop! So might have missed a LOT :laugh:


Brave of you Vicky.
loads of 80 year olds in a Kent Medical centre
got their vaccine.
A lady carry the mix, had to walk very slow.

At that one larger Medical Centre
it went well, as the space for 15mins wait
is needed.



I think some Surgeries
that do not have the room
need an Extra area to do it.



Gove MP
is looking at advising us all more on Xmas 5 day.

[Beso]

Care homes need to set thier priorities.

I've just been in one to repair a tv with no wifi...to say I am raging about it would be an understatement.

[Vicky.]

Yeah I remember one of my mates trying to explain about mutations and that. Loads assumed mutations made it deadlier,however she said that basically, a virus that kills its host is an unsuccessful virus, so it 'wants' to make itself less dangerous, or something!

[Vicky.]

Care homes need to set thier priorities.

I've just been in one to repair a tv with no wifi...to say I am raging about it would be an understatement.

I used to be permanently shocked and pissed off when my gran was in a home. She was paying just under 500 quid a week for it! Yet, god knows where all the cash goes from so many residents, given they appear unable to fix anything or keep the place half decent.

We went once, and her lightbulb had blown, and obviously she couldn't sort it herself.She informed us that she had been asking for 3 days,as she could not read at night like she likes to. So 500 a week, and noone can change a lightbulb. Its ridiculous.



Edit. Despite the extortionate fees that should cover everything along with a bloody massage/haircut or two each week for the residents, they also wanted to charge her to do her own washing! Or for us to pick it up..which seemed even more pisstakey tbh

[bots]

it actually works by natural selection on the virus. A virus that dies on the host doesnt spread any further, so a virus that has mutated and doesnt kill its host continues to happily spread around the place, quickly outnumbering its deadlier cousin.

[Cherie]

I hope they are not the same tests I got. Was quite early on in this, but I swear I was meant to touch my brain with how high the stick was meant to go, and I gagged like hell with the tonsil bit too. Feel bad for teachers/kids if its still that one :(

:laugh: No they are the lateral flow ones that you just need to get saliva on i think

[Lewismacfarlane]

I was looking forward to Christmas I'm not sure now

[arista]

The Labour Leader
has asked the PCM to call a Cobra meeting.
Because they want the 5 Day Xmas plan, changed, as it
is Dangerous.


It started yesterday with
Back Bench Conservative MP's

Ref: Ben Kentish, LBC Live radio
SkyNewsHD


Tomorrow Final PMQ's

[arista]

Scotland has Confirmed
they now have the Variant Covid,
9 cases so far.


All Media

[Nicky91]

in Spain a 104 yr old lady has recovered from corona

https://www.independent.ie/videos/104-year-old-spanish-woman-survives-covid-19-39866075.html

[Cherie]

The Labour Leader
has asked the PCM to call a Cobra meeting.
Because they want the 5 Day Xmas plan, changed, as it
is Dangerous.


It started yesterday with
Back Bench Conservative MP's

Ref: Ben Kentish, LBC Live radio
SkyNewsHD


Tomorrow Final PMQ's

Literally I don't know why people have to be spoon fed any more information about the risks of mixing indoors, just because you can, doesn't mean you should ...when will people risk access their own situations rather than waiting to be told what to do

[arista]

Today 506 have Died
64,908 Total UK Deaths

18,450 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
17,329

Patients on ventilation
1,288


Again you have to click each section
to get the correct numbers
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

[Sky News understands that potential alternative options that could emerge include:

Keeping the rules as they are but toughening up the messaging
Reducing the number of days the rules are relaxed for
Reducing the number of households that are allowed to mix
Still allowing travel but restricting it to the same region
Moving the window to another time.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-gove-to-hold-talks-with-devolved-nations-over-relaxation-of-rules-at-christmas-12162548


Of course,
it's all under Constant Review
so Johnson Prime minister can change it.
Any Hour of the day.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/15/16/article-9054663-36876500-69_964x543.jpg

[Zizu]

in Spain a 104 yr old lady has recovered from corona

https://www.independent.ie/videos/104-year-old-spanish-woman-survives-covid-19-39866075.html



That’s truly amazing and inspiring !!


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[arista]

London Zoo
can remain open in Tier 3.

That's great news

[Vanessa]

London Zoo
can remain open in Tier 3.

That's great news

Brilliant! I really need to visit again.

[Vanessa]

Oh of course, its brilliant news, especially for those more vulnerable.

Which one only needs 1? One they keep going on about in the news is one where you have a week or two wait inbetween vaccinations..
There are a few, but they haven't been approved yet.

[arista]

Brilliant! I really need to visit again.


Real Great News


You must book a ticket That's how they keep the distance with folks.
https://www.zsl.org/zsl-london-zoo/londonzootickets

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That Photo was 2 months ago.
he said Live on GMBHD itv.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

At last Live GMBHD itv
Piers is having a go at the Gov Minister Live

Jenrick MP

[Alf]

Nothing is going to change next year, the vaccine won't change more lockdowns and other restrictions from happening.

It ends when the people have had enough, as long as the people keep complying with orders from politicians, then it continues.

[joeysteele]

At last Live GMBHD itv
Piers is having a go at the Gov Minister Live

Jenrick MP



Jenrick is always evasive.
I've yet to see him perform convincingly.

He just fills me with more distrust with near most of the words he says.

It's really sad at a time when we need the fullest clarity and more important truth, at this uncertain and still worrying time.

[Zizu]

Jenrick is always evasive.

I've yet to see him perform convincingly.



He just fills me with more distrust with near most of the words he says.



It's really sad at a time when we need the fullest clarity and more important truth, at this uncertain and still worrying time.



You’ve just described every politician EVER ...


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[arista]

Yes Joey
Jenrick said his own 80 year parents
will not see them.

But the rest of the UK - Its up to you?


The Dutch and Germans
had the sense to Stop people mixing on the 5 days

So Our Death Total will go way up
in 8 weeks or so.

[Kazanne]

I'm sorry for me its simple IF you feel threatened by this virus ,stay safe and follow the rules as much as possible ,if you don't , at least wear a mask and distance wherever possible, its not going away anytime soon, just be sensible, no one has the answers so shouting at ministers will not solve anything, they do know more than us ,but they don't have the solution, and none of us will agree with everything that's asked of us, some hate anything Tories do or say, others just hate Brexit being done, others just think they are invincible.So many conflicting opinions ,just stay as safe as possible .Most people will do as they want anyway.

[Zizu]

I'm sorry for me its simple IF you feel threatened by this virus ,stay safe and follow the rules as much as possible ,if you don't , at least wear a mask and distance wherever possible, its not going away anytime soon, just be sensible, no one has the answers so shouting at ministers will not solve anything, they do know more than us ,but they don't have the solution, and none of us will agree with everything that's asked of us, some hate anything Tories do or say, others just hate Brexit being done, others just think they are invincible.So many conflicting opinions ,just stay as safe as possible .Most people will do as they want anyway.



Excellent post !!!!!


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[arista]

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[arista]

Kaz

Some people need instructions
and these are wrong

3 Families,
one can have Covid
they all get it.

Crazy


European Nations have the sense to stop mixing over the holiday.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: some stores can remain open here such Wibra, Action, Hema, they are not supermarkets but they are 'essential' enough, as long as people wear masks all the time, and socially distance as much as they can, if they fail to stick by these rules, they must still close


our christmas/new year treats will still be sold, outdoors, the ''Oliebollen'' they are of course a essential food for festive holidays and a dutch tradition


the outdoor markets here, some can remain open as long as the organizers acquire enough quicktest kits first of all, if ur not tested u won't enter the market

[Nicky91]

Kaz

Some people need instructions
and these are wrong

3 Families,
one can have Covid
they all get it.

Crazy


European Nations have the sense to stop mixing over the holiday.

yes no more people coming over, but christmas isn't cancelled, you can celebrate holidays with those who live with you

those who normally visit you, can now contact you via facetime, skype

[joeysteele]

I'm sorry for me its simple IF you feel threatened by this virus ,stay safe and follow the rules as much as possible ,if you don't , at least wear a mask and distance wherever possible, its not going away anytime soon, just be sensible, no one has the answers so shouting at ministers will not solve anything, they do know more than us ,but they don't have the solution, and none of us will agree with everything that's asked of us, some hate anything Tories do or say, others just hate Brexit being done, others just think they are invincible.So many conflicting opinions ,just stay as safe as possible .Most people will do as they want anyway.

You've just said a real fact.

That Ministers DO know more than us.
They do because the government has all the data.

I've ensured me and mine with me, I can't those who live elsewhere have been kept safe.
Despite the contradictory and at times vague advice from the government.

I find the rulings confusing, as do so many others.

So I'm not going to let off the hook the people who DO as you even say, know more than us
They have all the data, they have the scientific and health advice.

They, no matter who is in power have a duty to ensure we know ALL there is to know.
Plus the possible dangers of relaxing too much over this festive period.

I'm still stuck that a Minister couldn't answer the point to him, as to 3 households,does that now mean the ruling of 6 is out the window.
Those 3 households over Christmas can now mix indoors.
Whether those 3 households involve 2 other households of each 2 to 3 other people.
Or if it's a family of 5 or 6 from the other households still able to be indoors..
There's a massive difference of 4 to 6 extra people as opposed to 12 more indoors.

Can you answer that??.

Because your government Ministers won't.

Not that they can't, because they know likely there will be consequences from it in the new year.
They know because they yes, DO know more than us and all there is to know too.

Which WE all should be told.
It was a ridiculously irresponsible thing to do with even the tier systems still in place to even bring in a 5 day relaxation period.
Irresponsible and dangerous.

Only one set of people to blame for that,the present government, it's Ministers particularly.

[Kazanne]

Kaz

Some people need instructions
and these are wrong

3 Families,
one can have Covid
they all get it.

Crazy


European Nations have the sense to stop mixing over the holiday.

Well surely people know the risks ,so don't mix if that's how they feel, maybe people in this country should follow the Europens if that's working IF we were ordered to not mix ,people would say they wont be dictated to,so it's a no win situation. IF people are nervy about it,don't do it.

[Nicky91]

Germany in the lockdown, i have a online friend who lives there

she told me despite going in the full lockdown, she hasn't seen anyone NOT wearing a mask


even the barbers over there, perfectly by the rules with every required PPE, plastic face covering against virus cells + face mask, so even extra safe


and most corona hotspots in Germany are in the south and southwest, when you look further north, the lesser cases, so i believe their lockdown is more out of prevention to stop it from getting any worse than it is now


only place down south which has lesser cases is Wurzburg

[Kazanne]

You've just said a real fact.

That Ministers DO know more than us.
They do because the government has all the data.

I've ensured me and mine with me, I can't those who live elsewhere have been kept safe.
Despite the contradictory and at times vague advice from the government.

I find the rulings confusing, as do so many others.

So I'm not going to let off the hook the people who DO as you even say, know more than us
They have all the data, they have the scientific and health advice.

They, no matter who is in power have a duty to ensure we know ALL there is to know.
Plus the possible dangers of relaxing too much over this festive period.

I'm still stuck that a Minister couldn't answer the point to him, as to 3 households,does that now mean the ruling of 6 is out the window.
Those 3 households over Christmas can now mix indoors.
Whether those 3 households involve 2 other households of each 2 to 3 other people.
Or if it's a family of 5 or 6 from the other households still able to be indoors..
There's a massive difference of 4 to 6 extra people as opposed to 12 more indoors.

Can you answer that??.

Because your government Ministers won't.

Not that they can't, because they know likely there will be consequences from it in the new year.
They know because they yes, DO know more than us and all there is to know too.

Which WE all should be told.
It was a ridiculously irresponsible thing to do with even the tier systems still in place to even bring in a 5 day relaxation period.
Irresponsible and dangerous.

Only one set of people to blame for that,the present government, it's Ministers particularly.

Right Joey I know we disagree on this a lot,but I respect your opinion,but tell me this ? What would ANY government gain by pissing half the country off ? they are doing what they think is right , the same as we think we know what's right,we just have to use common sense here, If we were told we were not allowed to meet,do you think people would comply ? I don't,so give people the choice but still be careful, NO solution is available at this time, so just be careful

[smudgie]

I'm sorry for me its simple IF you feel threatened by this virus ,stay safe and follow the rules as much as possible ,if you don't , at least wear a mask and distance wherever possible, its not going away anytime soon, just be sensible, no one has the answers so shouting at ministers will not solve anything, they do know more than us ,but they don't have the solution, and none of us will agree with everything that's asked of us, some hate anything Tories do or say, others just hate Brexit being done, others just think they are invincible.So many conflicting opinions ,just stay as safe as possible .Most people will do as they want anyway.

That’s it in a nutshell Kaz.
There will be those that use their common sense, have a family Christmas but are still very careful and there will be those idiots that will do what they want whenever they want with no thought for others.

[Nicky91]

Right Joey I know we disagree on this a lot,but I respect your opinion,but tell me this ? What would ANY government gain by pissing half the country off ? they are doing what they think is right , the same as we think we know what's right,we just have to use common sense here, If we were told we were not allowed to meet,do you think people would comply ? I don't,so give people the choice but still be careful, NO solution is available at this time, so just be careful

umm no, those anti maskers don't deserve to have a choice, since they are the ones who keep underestimating this virus

i get your point however Kaz, i mean good on those who did listen to advice, good on those who have been careful

but thx to those anti-maskers who will never listen, we need lockdowns

[joeysteele]

Right Joey I know we disagree on this a lot,but I respect your opinion,but tell me this ? What would ANY government gain by pissing half the country off ? they are doing what they think is right , the same as we think we know what's right,we just have to use common sense here, If we were told we were not allowed to meet,do you think people would comply ? I don't,so give people the choice but still be careful, NO solution is available at this time, so just be careful

Only politics we disagree on mainly Kazanne.

I bet you and I would have real battles on politics.
Wouldn't do to head to a polling station together:joker:

Your last few words are right.
However people don't even know they have this virus yet can pass it on.
That's a fact however.

So people can THINK they are being safe when they're not.

My question would be, is the government right to indicate 3 households can be together INDOORS for a whole day or even up to 3 to 5 days, exc travel to get there too???
Should that be a max still of 6 people or the whole households, whether 2 live there or 6.

Is that responsible, to say or indicate that is safe to do so for Christmas.

Some will have travelled, some will have seen others before seeing their families, particularly older relatives.

They may never know they've picked up the virus.
They can't be wearing masks over dinner or while eating snacking or drinking.

You really CANNOT see that is a recipe for danger and that's it's wrong to have suggested it.
Why didn't the government just leave the tier system in place.
Why risk more deaths in February.
Is that responsible..
It's the government who have put in place the easing of restrictions of 5 days at Christmas.

So who else should we ask WHY?
Also what are the risks of this leading to more deaths in February..
You REALLY don't think we should have those answers and guidelines from those in power who have ALL the data and information.
As even you yourself, they KNOW more than us.
Exactly, however to do all right, we need to know ALL they know too.

[Kazanne]

umm no, those anti maskers don't deserve to have a choice, since they are the ones who keep underestimating this virus

i get your point however Kaz, i mean good on those who did listen to advice, good on those who have been careful

but thx to those anti-maskers who will never listen, we need lockdowns

Those anti maskers will NEVER listen Nicky no matter what is asked of them, not even a lockdown will solve it.

[Cherie]

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completely agree with him, just listened to some twats on a phone in saying they need to be told what to do, people have to risk assess themselves and their families and their vulnerabilities, if there are two/three families and everyone is under 40 plus no health issues the risks are minimal as long as they socially distance from others outside that bubble

if there are two/three families and in that group there are elderlies or anyone with a health condition, then mixing is pretty crazy in my eyes

if there are two/three families and someone has a terminal illness and wont make next Christmas then that is a decision for the family, not the government

[arista]

COVID-19: Wales to move to alert level 4 - 'smaller Christmas is a safer Christmas'

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wales-to-move-to-alert-level-4-smaller-christmas-is-a-safer-christmas-12164168


[Wales is tightening restrictions in the face of surging
coronavirus infections - and will begin shutting
services on Christmas Eve and reducing the
number of households able to meet over the festive period.

The Welsh first minister announced only two
households will be allowed to form
exclusive "Christmas bubbles" during the five-day lifting of restrictions.

Meanwhile, all non-essential retail, leisure and fitness centres
in Wales will shut at close of trading on Christmas Eve.

And all hospitality premises will close from 6pm on Christmas Day
as the devolved government attempts
to bring the spread of the virus under control,
Mark Drakeford said in a news conference.]



Just missed the PMQ's

[arista]

Covid in Scotland: Christmas guidance to be 'strengthened'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-55332401

[arista]

Tuesday Paper

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[Nicky91]

Those anti maskers will NEVER listen Nicky no matter what is asked of them, not even a lockdown will solve it.

yes but whenever there is a lockdown, and if they then break any rules, the law is there to deal with them

[arista]

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
LBC
Times Radio


Prime Minister is Live 10 downing St.

and his 2 advisors

[Cherie]

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
LBC
Times Radio


Prime Minister is Live 10 downing St.

and his 2 advisors

Christmas cancelled? , cue moaning from the same people who were asking to be told what to do this morning

[arista]

Christmas cancelled? , cue moaning from the same people who were asking to be told what to do this morning


No longer UK
Wales and Scotland changing rules

Wales goes into a lockdown on the 27th

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/16/14/article-9058717-36917752-999_964x543.jpg

[Ammi]

Boris Johnson’s father caught getting on tube without mask in fourth breach of Covid rules...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-father-caught-getting-145920872.html

[arista]

Boris Johnson’s father caught getting on tube without mask in fourth breach of Covid rules...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-father-caught-getting-145920872.html


The Old fella has done it before

[Ammi]

The Old fella has done it before

...and before and before.../...4 times in all so far as has been reported...

[arista]

The Prime Minister
is about to go live.

[arista]

Live now

[arista]

He just admitted
it has changed.

Old Relatives he wants you to be avoided
(unless they have had the vaccine)

[Cherie]

Let’s hope that was clear enough for the thickos...they needed a steer..they got it

[Cherie]

He just admitted
it has changed.

Old Relatives he wants to be avoided
(unless they have had the vaccine)

That it had to be spelled out is mesmerising

[arista]

1339236748514234369

[arista]

[15:48

Professor Chris Whitty says there are four things
to think about over Christmas

Keep it small – less transmission

Keep it short – less risk of transmission occurring

Keep it local – travel from high to low incidence
areas have more risk of passing on the virus

Think of the most vulnerable people

He says: "That way we can reduce the risk
of Christmas. We all accept there’s a
risk at Christmas, but if we do this
we can reduce that risk."]

[joeysteele]

[15:48

Professor Chris Whitty says there are four things
to think about over Christmas

Keep it small – less transmission

Keep it short – less risk of transmission occurring

Keep it local – travel from high to low incidence
areas have more risk of passing on the virus

Think of the most vulnerable people

He says: "That way we can reduce the risk
of Christmas. We all accept there’s a
risk at Christmas, but if we do this
we can reduce that risk."]

From that listing.

It sounds like it would have been best not to relax things at all and carry on as things were.

From Whitty that is.
HOWEVER it's the government that issue the guidelines.

So in a should they, could they scenario weeks ago.
It seems despite the so called information from the official advice is still.
Could they, should they.

Glad I just stick to what we were told in March at the first lockdown.
At least near all knew where they were then.

[arista]

The PM has Concluded

[Kate!]

When will it be announced if we've changed tiers or not?

[Marsh.]

When will it be announced if we've changed tiers or not?

What do you mean? It's constantly ongoing isn't it? Areas keep moving in and out of different tiers.

[Cherie]

When will it be announced if we've changed tiers or not?

Tomorrow by Matt Hancock

[Cherie]

What do you mean? It's constantly ongoing isn't it? Areas keep moving in and out of different tiers.

No they are due a review today, this date was set when England came out of lockdown on 2/12

[LukeB]

If lockdown 3 does happen then they must close the schools it was very stupid to leave them open during a lockdown when that was one of the reasons why cases went up. I mean you can't hug anyone and schools are allowed to play football and rugby.

[Dogeatdog]

If lockdown 3 does happen then they must close the schools it was very stupid to leave them open during a lockdown when that was one of the reasons why cases went up. I mean you can't hug anyone and schools are allowed to play football and rugby.

I agree. The government chose to keep the schools open which results in cases between 10-18 year olds increasing and then people just sit there blaming them saying “It’s the kids spreading it” like what do people expect when there’s hundreds of them in one place?

[Marsh.]

Lockdown 3? Bugger off!

[arista]

Tomorrow by Matt Hancock


Yes Tomorrow he tells us
if any tiers change

[LukeB]

I agree. The government chose to keep the schools open which results in cases between 10-18 year olds increasing and then people just sit there blaming them saying “It’s the kids spreading it” like what do people expect when there’s hundreds of them in one place?

exactly! All i've seen since September is schools closed for two weeks, year 7 having to isolate etc etc. I feel sorry for the teachers tbh and hopefully they are high on the list for a vaccine.

[LukeB]

Lockdown 3? Bugger off!

It's inevitable really! last lockdown did **** all which was always going to be the case with a short lockdown compared to the first one. :bawling:

[Cherie]

It's inevitable really! last lockdown did **** all which was always going to be the case with a short lockdown compared to the first one. :bawling:

lockdowns are pointless as people seem to think they can carry on as normal once they are lifted :shrug:

the number of people I see walking in the park in groups but all clumped together when they are supposed to be maintaining a safe distance, they just are not getting it I am afraid


and my neighbourhood app is full of people who are not following the guidelines as they think its rubbish, its depressing

[Dogeatdog]

exactly! All i've seen since September is schools closed for two weeks, year 7 having to isolate etc etc. I feel sorry for the teachers tbh and hopefully they are high on the list for a vaccine.

The government are doing a very good job of showing that they don’t really care for many people’s well-being and I think that teachers are probably somewhere on that list.

[LukeB]

lockdowns are pointless as people seem to think they can carry on as normal once they are lifted :shrug:

the number of people I see walking in the park in groups but all clumped together when they are supposed to be maintaining a safe distance, they just are not getting it I am afraid


and my neighbourhood app is full of people who are not following the guidelines as they think its rubbish, its depressing

compared to other countries our lockdown wasn't really that strict, one of the rules were being allowed to meet one person outside. Those who not following the guidelines aren't the only issue it was also allowing schools to stay open when that was one of the main reasons why the cases went up.

[arista]

Wales has now made it law
only 2 households


And the 27th Wales goes into the Lockdown

[Vanessa]

We're definitely going on lockdown in January :bawling:

[bots]

i don't think we can blame the government, the 4 nations agree with the approach. The simple fact is that people intend to ignore restrictions at Christmas and it's not possibl to enforce it

[Vanessa]

He's got a point. People are not going to follow restrictions on Christmas day.
It's a fact.

[Zizu]

He's got a point. People are not going to follow restrictions on Christmas day.

It's a fact.



Yeah that’s been my concern since the idea was muted ..

I just think many will go crazy from the 22nd Dec UNTIL the 2nd January ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah that’s been my concern since the idea was muted ..

I just think many will go crazy from the 22nd Dec UNTIL the 2nd January ..


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you mean a tiny fraction of kids will

99.999% of adults wont


fearmongering

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpYVmCXXIAYrNQz?format=jpg&name=small

[joeysteele]

The government are doing a very good job of showing that they don’t really care for many people’s well-being and I think that teachers are probably somewhere on that list.

I agree.
I don't think Teachers figure much anywhere on this government's list.
Especially under this awful Education secretary.

[Jake.]

you mean a tiny fraction of kids will

99.999% of adults wont


fearmongering

lol ok

[arista]

Nations with Covid-19 Deaths above 10,000

305,268 USA deaths
182,799 Brazil deaths
144,096 India deaths
115,099 Mexico deaths
66,537 Italy deaths
65,618 United Kingdom deaths
59,182 France deaths
52,883 Iran deaths
48,401 Spain deaths
47,994 Russia deaths
41,204 Argentina deaths
39,356 Colombia deaths
36,754 Peru deaths
23,914 Poland deaths
23,865 Germany deaths
23,661 South Africa deaths
19,248 Indonesia deaths
18,178 Belgium deaths
17,121 Turkey deaths
16,314 Ukraine deaths
15,959 Chile deaths
13,896 Ecuador deaths
13,862 Romania deaths
13,741 Canada deaths
12,636 Iraq deaths
10,332 Netherlands deaths


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Marsh.]

you mean a tiny fraction of kids will

99.999% of adults wont


fearmongering

How loose is your definition of "adult"?

[arista]

Today 612 have died today
65,520 Total UK deaths

25,161 today have tested for Covid-19

Patients in hospital
18,038

Patients on ventilation
1,326


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/11/6/1352225082582/Mortality-rates-big-graph-001.jpg

[Zizu]

you mean a tiny fraction of kids will



99.999% of adults wont





fearmongering


It’s not just teenagers sadly they’re just ones crammed into schools 5 days and mixing in the evenings..

Teenagers have been flouting all the rules/ regulations since March when they were told that they were extremely unlikely to catch the virus and if they did they would only get mild symptoms ( if any at all )


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[Scarlett.]

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/11/6/1352225082582/Mortality-rates-big-graph-001.jpg

The thing is, if COVID clogs the hospitals up, the deaths by these causes will rise. Say for example, if a hospital is snowed under by COVID patients, the number of people able to get cancer scans goes down

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/gVHC09KlNwUDOqhpCOUmuA/https/media.fyre.co/0zF72eL4Tgq3AudBERbz_sun.JPG

[arista]

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[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/ybO18yxd-icqmugMS9oyiw/https/media.fyre.co/BTlvAZgNRfCY3RDrrFWN_mail.JPG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/l6Jw9D7v7o70j-aLCi-Jmw/https/media.fyre.co/4e34p437SeGGKk8Ho8OK_guardian.JPG

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/xQ8K1SYdFQiWJkryh21zgQ/https/media.fyre.co/9HUzDOO8T0OT4pGJLRP1_metro.JPG

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/16/22/36935006-0-image-a-39_1608156872722.jpg

[arista]

1339425316113182721


German Xmas Lockdown
makes sense,

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/criticism-of-dutch-slowness-as-germany-prepares-to-start-mass-vaccinations/

Netherlands: dutch government do not trust vaccines, they get criticism of being too slow, as Germany has a faster response to begin mass vaccinations

[Scarlett.]

Lancashire expected to remain in tier 3 (also its unlikely we will see any other areas move down due to Christmas)

[AnnieK]

Lancashire expected to remain in tier 3 (also its unlikely we will see any other areas move down due to Christmas)

Yeah its breaking that Manchester is going nowhere too

[Scarlett.]

God, Rees-Mogg is such a ****

[arista]

The Health Secretary
is Live in the House of Commons.


The Whole of Hertsfordshire moves to Tier 3.

[Cherie]

I think it is wise not to move Tiers just now, other than upwards

[arista]

[Areas heading into Tier 3

Mr Hancock confirms the highest band
of restriction will come into force in
Bedfordshire,
Buckinghamshire,
Berkshire,
Peterborough,
the whole of Hertfordshire and Surrey (with the exception of Waverly).

Also going into Tier 3 will be Hastings and Rother on the Kent border
of East Sussex and Portsmouth, Gosport and Havant in Hampshire.]

These changes will take effect from 12:01am on Saturday morning.

[arista]

[11:51

Some areas moving down a tier

The "vast majority" of places in Tier 3 will stay there.

But those going from Tier 3 to Tier 2
are Bristol and North Somerset on Saturday.

Herefordshire is going from Tier 2 to Tier 1.]

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpcAw6oXEAIbmDv?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

[12:03
Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth says

"But two weeks ago he did say we have the virus
under control and he also said we can't risk
letting cases rise, again especially
into Christmas - but I'm afraid that is exactly what is happening."

He says current numbers "should be sounding all the alarm bells"
and more arrangements are
needed to "keep people safe through Christmas".

"We will see a spike," he warns.]

[Zizu]

[12:03
Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth says

"But two weeks ago he did say we have the virus
under control and he also said we can't risk
letting cases rise, again especially
into Christmas - but I'm afraid that is exactly what is happening."

He says current numbers "should be sounding all the alarm bells"
and more arrangements are
needed to "keep people safe through Christmas".

"We will see a spike," he warns.]



Yet another useless, waste of space politician..

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[reece(:]

It seems as if there's never a way out of Tier 3 for the North, no matter how much the cases fall.

And this said a lot for me. :clap1:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/571038619989442621/789105498510327819/EpX0IaUW8AU1vQ4.png?width=735&height=676

[arista]

[It seems as if there's never a way out of Tier 3 for the North,
no matter how much the cases fall]


No Slick Reece


Look at Herefordshire moved down to Tier 1
As their Council made more Effort
than Burnham's Zone

[AnnieK]

https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article19472260.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_ABR_MEN_161220_INFECTIONRATES16-12.jpg

https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article19474457.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_December-16-LondonJPG.jpg

Burnham taking on Johnson first time round means we will languish in Tier 3 for as long as possible, no matter what our numbers look like :sad: