Coronavirus Outbreak

[Zizu]

So in the last few days we had a THOUSAND infections in one university and 700 in another one .. surely that shows the infection is spreading through the uni / high school complexes .
They’re basically massive incubation units ...


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[arista]

13,864 New Cases of Covid-19 UK today

Patients in hospital
3,660

Patients in ventilator beds
436


87 Died today.

Total UK deaths Covid-19 :42,679

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

What is going on in the NE they locked down before the virus took hold so but cases have continually risen since lockdown eased even through the summer when cases elsewhere were low :shrug:

[Zizu]

Health protection expert - Professor Paul Hunter of the University of East Anglia just on Sky News now ...

No point waiting or indeed hoping for ‘herd immunity’ to kick in as it NEVER will for a Coronavirus - herd immunity works for things like Measles where you have immunity all through your life but can never work with Covid 19 as it only has short lived immunity ( around 3 months at best it seems) ..

He also wants people to stop citing the Swedish method given they have had SEVENTEEN times as many deaths as Norway !!!


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[arista]

Worldwide Covid-19 Deaths above 10,000

213,158 USA deaths
148,957 Brazil deaths
106,490 India deaths
83,096 Mexico deaths
42,769 United Kingdom deaths
36,111 Italy deaths
33,098 Peru deaths
32,929 Spain deaths
32,601 France deaths
28,098 Iran deaths
27,180 Colombia deaths
22,710 Argentina deaths
22,137 Russia deaths
17,408 South Africa deaths
13,220 Chile deaths
12,141 Ecuador deaths
11,677 Indonesia deaths
10,126 Belgium deaths


Pro data: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Scarlett.]

The idea that herd immunity is a solution has always been a broken idea.

If the only way to keep the economy alive is to sacrifice people, the economy is already broken.

[MTVN]

How is Russia's vaccination program going?

[arista]

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[arista]

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Fridays Irish

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[arista]

How is Russia's vaccination program going?


Slowly

[arista]

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[arista]

Friday Regional Paper

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

Bristol University quarantines 300 students in halls of residence after 40 test positive...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/bristol-university-coronavirus-outbreak-students-quarantine-114357488.html

[Zizu]

Bristol University quarantines 300 students in halls of residence after 40 test positive...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/bristol-university-coronavirus-outbreak-students-quarantine-114357488.html



As I suggested ... universities and indeed High Schools simply have to be Covid19 incubation units ..


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[user104658]

Health protection expert - Professor Paul Hunter of the University of East Anglia just on Sky News now ...

No point waiting or indeed hoping for ‘herd immunity’ to kick in as it NEVER will for a Coronavirus - herd immunity works for things like Measles where you have immunity all through your life but can never work with Covid 19 as it only has short lived immunity ( around 3 months at best it seems) ..

He also wants people to stop citing the Swedish method given they have had SEVENTEEN times as many deaths as Norway !!!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProNot to further wind you up Zizu but if herd immunity is completely ineffective then the likelihood of a developed vaccine working long term is also low.

Of course part of the issue is that people are obsessed with immunity rather than resistance - the reason it would become less serious over time is that (like the common cold) you would catch it asymptomatic or very mild every few years with an extremely low chance of getting more ill. There's a lot more to the immune system than "immune or not immune".

The only realistic scenario at this point is that Covid is with us forever as a mild illness with basically everyone getting it young (under 40) and thus having some antibodies that mean it isnt a worrying illness (over 60), with annual vaccination for vulnerable groups (as with flu).

There is no magic, permanent vaccine coming along to eliminate Covid. If we keep waiting to be saved by a fairytale we're in big trouble.

[arista]

Bristol University quarantines 300 students in halls of residence after 40 test positive...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/bristol-university-coronavirus-outbreak-students-quarantine-114357488.html


These Bloody students do not follow rules.

[Zizu]

Not to further wind you up Zizu but if herd immunity is completely ineffective then the likelihood of a developed vaccine working long term is also low.

Of course part of the issue is that people are obsessed with immunity rather than resistance - the reason it would become less serious over time is that (like the common cold) you would catch it asymptomatic or very mild every few years with an extremely low chance of getting more ill. There's a lot more to the immune system than "immune or not immune".

The only realistic scenario at this point is that Covid is with us forever as a mild illness with basically everyone getting it young (under 40) and thus having some antibodies that mean it isnt a worrying illness (over 60), with annual vaccination for vulnerable groups (as with flu).

There is no magic, permanent vaccine coming along to eliminate Covid. If we keep waiting to be saved by a fairytale we're in big trouble.



That exactly my take on things ..


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[arista]

LBC say there is Press Conference soon
of Northern England Leaders?

What good is that?
most of them want Covid Spread


No one is following the Rules

[arista]

[How Sweden got it right...this new documentary by @simondolan
asking if there’s a better way to approach coronavirus looks great]

Isabel Oakshott - Shut UP


We are nothing like Sweden
you can not compare these nations
You STUPID Bitch.

[arista]

The Northern Leaders
are now Live

Burnham starting.


Both news channels

[arista]

Burnham stated he will not let Johnson
shut him down............


And he is demanding Parliament
debate Rishi Sunak's recent package help.


He says any on minimum wage will go bankrupt.

[Zizu]

[How Sweden got it right...this new documentary by @simondolan
asking if there’s a better way to approach coronavirus looks great]

Isabel Oakshott - Shut UP


We are nothing like Sweden
you can not compare these nations
You STUPID Bitch.



Exactly - Sweden’s Covid Deathrate is 17 times higher than their neighbours Norway ..


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[arista]

Ch4HDnews
were in Oxford today and last night
they are getting far worse with Covid-19.

On the street a Young Lady said at 10PM
she will go home.

Sadly 2 Cocky 18 year old lads
said its 10PM, we do not want to go home.


Typical Selfish Lads.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

If things are now so bad, that much stronger measures are believed to be needed to be implemented.
What on earth is Johnson doing procrastinating and doing nothing for days.

Why wait until Monday.
If it needs action and needs to be done, get it done.
Stop procrastinating for goodness sake.

[bots]

They could be collecting and analysing data so it's not unreasonable to wait until Monday. We are several weeks away from being at the levels we were at in March. The problem the government have is that increasing restrictions won't change anything when it's being applied to areas where its made zero difference so far. They need to close pubs and schools/uni's to make a difference

[Zizu]

If things are now so bad, that much stronger measures are believed to be needed to be implemented.
What on earth is Johnson doing procrastinating and doing nothing for days.

Why wait until Monday.
If it needs action and needs to be done, get it done.
Stop procrastinating for goodness sake.



Apparently the social media sites are saying that all the usual suspects will be out partying hard over the weekend while they can .. .. this wouldn’t be allowed in Russia !!


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[arista]

From Covid Update UK

[We are awaiting data for cases in England. We will update the data as soon as possible.]

[joeysteele]

To know they are to be already announcing stronger measures are needed, then they must have enough data to act, even precautionary right now.

Just do what has to be done, if it has to be
Not let things get more out of hand.
Hopeless, utterly hopeless.

In fact the lot are because, really Labour should be screaming for prompt action now, not supporting procrastinated reactive policy making.

[arista]

Patients in hospital
3,837

Patients in ventilator beds
442

15,166 New Cases of Covid-19 today

81 Deaths today

42,760 Total UK Covid-19 deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Patients in hospital
3,837

Patients in ventilator beds
442

15,166 New Cases of Covid-19 today

81 Deaths today

42,760 Total UK Covid-19 deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Jesus ... 15,000 + new cases on a weekend ( always lower )


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[arista]

Jesus ... 15,000 + new cases on a weekend ( always lower )


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Yes Blame the Student spreaders

[arista]

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[Beso]

Me and my family(mum included) are weighing up her worth..is she worth alm the hassle for the rest of us..

Shes raging...

[Zizu]

Manchester Trafford Centre crammed with Xmas shoppers worried about a second lockdown ... staff raging about the overcrowding and lack of mask wearing ...
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[AnnieK]

Manchester Trafford Centre crammed with Xmas shoppers worried about a second lockdown ... staff raging about the overcrowding and lack of mask wearing ...
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Hate the Traff at the best of times. Can't imagine going there whilst all this is going on. Horrific

[MTVN]

Jesus ... 15,000 + new cases on a weekend ( always lower )


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These are Fridays numbers that get reported on a Saturday so they're never lower. Sunday/Monday were always the underreported days with death figures but it doesn't seem to make much difference with cases

[Jake.]

Manchester Trafford Centre crammed with Xmas shoppers worried about a second lockdown ... staff raging about the overcrowding and lack of mask wearing ...
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Yes Blame the Student spreaders

But yeah, you keep on pushing that “it’s all down to the selfish young people” narrative

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[Zizu]

But yeah, you keep on pushing that “it’s all down to the selfish young people” narrative



Actually the story does mention that there were young families with children along with ‘hoards’ or ‘gangs’ of school age kids who were described as ‘intimidating’. .. not certain if that referred to their ‘lack of masks’ or sheer numbers .


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[Kizzy]

Yes Blame the Student spreaders

Nope.

There were street parties, cut price incentives and 14 u turns during this pandemic.

I know where the blame lies.

[Ammi]

...(...I think...)...that it’s always ‘the let’s blame, game...’...it’s what the governments do and always have done through time ...’oh, look over there/don’t look at us...’...it’s the students, let’s look at the students because they’re awful...it was families going for days out, let’s look at them, they’re awful...it’s those travelling on public transport, let’s look at them, they’re awful...It’s the pub people, let’s look at the pub people...awful/awful/awful...serves no purpose at all other than to be divisive and add ‘strength and potency’ to COVID...

[Ammi]

...we compare governments in different countries and the ‘handling of’...but I wonder with the people themselves in different countries...if all play the ‘blame game’ in the same ways...‘it’s you’../...’no it isn’t, it’s you..’...’well no actually, it’s them..’...but what about the others etc...it would be interesting to compare...

[AnnieK]

Just over a month ago the Gov were telling the public to save the Hospitality industry and to "Eat out to help out", now they are shutting them down again as pubs are driving up cases. They told us schools and university's were safe and now are turning halls into prisons as there is an explosion of cases when large groups of students come together, they told us to not wear masks as there was no science, they told us outside transmission was practically nil now in the North we can't mix, they told us to not get tested, then get tested.....I could go on all day about the failings.

The only thing we can do is look after ourselves and our loved ones, follow the hygiene and distancing advice and get on with our lives. Sadly too many thousands of people haven't got that luxury because of this virus :sad:

[arista]

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I did not bother posting the Star
so it's now next to all the other Sunday papers.

[Ammi]

Just over a month ago the Gov were telling the public to save the Hospitality industry and to "Eat out to help out", now they are shutting them down again as pubs are driving up cases. They told us schools and university's were safe and now are turning halls into prisons as there is an explosion of cases when large groups of students come together, they told us to not wear masks as there was no science, they told us outside transmission was practically nil now in the North we can't mix, they told us to not get tested, then get tested.....I could go on all day about the failings.

The only thing we can do is look after ourselves and our loved ones, follow the hygiene and distancing advice and get on with our lives. Sadly too many thousands of people haven't got that luxury because of this virus :sad:

....when industry started to go back and work places returned to...they said that masks wouldn’t be needed there because it’s a self creating bubble, type thing...or whatever they said...and now it’s being mentioned that masks could be mandatory in all working areas../....offices etc...

...I know that so much is unknown and COVID is creating its own pace...but the ‘blame game’ is also being ‘promoted’...by the government and the media...

[Zizu]

Nope.



There were street parties, cut price incentives and 14 u turns during this pandemic.



I know where the blame lies.



The thing is the whole world is struggling to cope with the virus but seemingly the other countries folk and indeed their young people have behaved responsibly.
Obviously we can exclude the US from this conversation .


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[Ammi]

...how do we know they have though, Zizu...?...

[joeysteele]

Just over a month ago the Gov were telling the public to save the Hospitality industry and to "Eat out to help out", now they are shutting them down again as pubs are driving up cases. They told us schools and university's were safe and now are turning halls into prisons as there is an explosion of cases when large groups of students come together, they told us to not wear masks as there was no science, they told us outside transmission was practically nil now in the North we can't mix, they told us to not get tested, then get tested.....I could go on all day about the failings.

The only thing we can do is look after ourselves and our loved ones, follow the hygiene and distancing advice and get on with our lives. Sadly too many thousands of people haven't got that luxury because of this virus :sad:


Great post Annie.

The first half of your post, all aside from the other disasters of protection equipment disgraceful lack of, the cruelty of he Care home scandal and
the incredible mess of testing near all through.
That first half of your post would have been bad enough without the things I've added from my thoughts too.

This is scandalous from any government.
The media have always been contradictory and really ill serve the Nation.
When you cannot in effect trust either source then as you say we need to look after ourselves and our loved ones.
Hopefully from doing so we prevent putting others at risk from us.

Which is why I've thought from the start, this needed far more than just one reactionary government dealing with it and deciding the law, rules or guidelines.

I don't care which government we would have had.
Any adding to the problems as this one has helped do, I'd be firing my fury at whoever, whenever, whatever.

This is a mess, however a dangerous and scandalous mess, particularly too as to deaths.

[Samm]

Those seats the tories won in the north are going to swing back to labour at the next election then

[Zizu]

...how do we know they have though, Zizu...?...



Just by observing reports / footage over the last 7 to 8 months on the telly / radio / online media ..


So many countries have registered disbelief at the way we ignore or simply flout all the rules and guidelines...


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[Zizu]

Those seats the tories won in the north are going to swing back to labour at the next election then



A lot can happen in the next 3 to 4 years ??


I don’t expect much from these examples for a start .

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[arista]

Lisa Nandy MP on Marr
says they want a better package for those in the north?

But they can not get one.
They are not in power.

[bots]

the mayors are playing political games. They can't refuse the new restrictions because it will be law, they would also be held responsible for unnecessary covid deaths if they don't follow the law

[joeysteele]

Lisa Nandy MP on Marr
says they want a better package for those in the north?

But they can not get one.
They are not in power.

Well, they are heading into and rightly so, big problems if they continue to discount the views of both Con and Labour Mayor's.
Not much point in having them, which the Cons wanted in the end.
If they just dismiss, don't properly consult them.
It would be expected, a Mayor would have good knowledge of the people and his area.

Such as Andy Burnham, who is a politician I greatly respect and admire.

Those Mayors are in power in those areas and any sensible and efficient government would listen to their views and act accordingly.

Things could badly backfire even more on this inept government, if it is seen to be not even trying to listen, never mind not really listen.

[arista]

The mayors are playing political games. They can't refuse the new restrictions because it will be law, they would also be held responsible for unnecessary covid deaths if they don't follow the law


They are all say any on minimum wage
will suffer too much.

[Nicky91]

upcoming tuesday new press conference in netherlands

some are speculating of a new intelligent lockdown here

[joeysteele]

They are all say any on minimum wage
will suffer too much.

Well, they will.
With only, and even if they qualify, on only two thirds of their wages.

[Zizu]

the mayors are playing political games. They can't refuse the new restrictions because it will be law, they would also be held responsible for unnecessary covid deaths if they don't follow the law



Yes I wondered that myself..

“ I will not accept the new regulations “


“ we will NOT accept the new proposals “

It appears that they will ...


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[joeysteele]

I recall this PM stating NO ONE would lose out for doing the right thing.

He opened things up, they went back to work as per that instruction.
Now he's shutting them down, they CANNOT then go into work.

Yet they can lose a third of their wages!

What happened to his original statement.
Or was that just his usual rubbish, deceit and nonsense he gets away with spouting with around 4 in 10 voters.

Unbelievable.

[Ammi]

Eton parents accuse school of 'spreading virus round country' as pupils sent home to isolate...



Eton parents are understood to be "furious" that pupils have been sent home to isolate, accusing the school of "spreading the virus around the country".

The whole of the Lower Sixth, as well as some pupils in other year groups, have been told to leave the £42,000-a-year boarding school and isolate at home while continuing their lessons online.

The unusual move came after a "significant" number of pupils tested positive for coronavirus and it was decided that, in order to protect the rest of the pupils, they should be sent to isolate off site.

A source told The Telegraph: "The children who live abroad are being farmed out to the families of fellow pupils. They [the parents] don't mind the extra children at all, but they do object to the spreading of the virus round the country when it could be contained in the school."

This is the second major outbreak that the Windsor-based school has grappled with since the start of the academic year. Last month, several students tested positive after returning to school following the summer holidays and were put into isolation.

Eton College is one of a handful of elite boarding schools to have set up its own test, track and trace regime by striking a deal with a private provider. The school said it was "determined" not to put any extra pressure on the NHS and took out a contract with a company that does regular testing for pupils.

A spokesman for the school said: "A significant number of pupils recently tested positive for Covid-19, and the relevant authorities were notified. This has resulted in all of the Lower Sixth – Year 12 – isolating, as well as some pupils in other year groups.

"Given the numbers involved, medical advice was clear that these pupils could not safely isolate at the school. Public health officials arranged additional testing themselves. The school has acted in line with their instructions throughout."

The spokesman said that, following discussions with Public Health England, the school was advised that pupils should self-isolate at home to prevent Covid spreading through the rest of the school community.

"Eton has activated our virtual learning programme to teach these pupils remotely. We wish those who have tested positive a speedy recovery," he said.

While official Government advice says universities should contain outbreaks as much as possible by keeping students on campus rather than sending them home, the advice for boarding schools is different.

Boarding schools are advised by the Department for Education to consult parents on whether children should return home to isolate rather than doing so on site, acknowledging that some "may benefit more from self-isolating at their family home".

Other boarding schools, such as the £38,000-a-year Uppingham, in Rutland, have also set up their own test, track and trace systems. At the start of term, every pupil and member of staff received a test, funded by the school, regardless of whether they had symptoms.

The school has divided pupils into "pods" of 10 to 12, taking advantage of its spacious grounds so that, if a child gets ill, only those in his or her pod need to isolate.

Benenden, a £39,000-per-term girls' boarding school in Kent, has split pupils into "households" of about 16, meaning that if one tests positive only the other 15 have to isolate instead of the whole year group. The school also spent £35,000 on its own Samba II testing machine, which delivers results in 90 minutes.



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/eton-parents-accuse-school-spreading-121119151.html

[Nicky91]

todays numbers netherlands

6,378 new cases

43 new hospitalisations (1,233 in total) (247 in ICU, today a increase of 12 new)

17 new deaths (7 less than yesterdays 24)

[Nicky91]

idk if anyone had followed this story

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54279008

dutch celebs against coronameasures


well that singer/model Famke Louise has now teamed up with doctor, virologist Diederik Gommers to help spread awareness on the dangers of corona to the youth in general

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[Scottish Margaret Ferrier:
Covid MP says virus 'makes you act out of character'

[She used public transport while knowing she was
infected with coronavirus has called it a "blip".
Margaret Ferrier argued that the virus "makes
you act out of character" in an
interview with the Sun on Sunday.
She faced calls to quit after travelling from
Glasgow to London with Covid-19 symptoms last month,
then returning home after testing positive.
The SNP suspended Ms Ferrier
and the Metropolitan Police
is investigating the incident.
Scotland's first minister, Nicola Sturgeon,
has said she "couldn't be clearer"
and Ms Ferrier should resign.
The MP, 60, told the
paper that she "panicked"
and insisted she followed the rules.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54496759


The Scottish Spreader of Covid
is staying in her job.

[arista]

Patients in hospital
3,837

Patients in ventilator beds
442

12,872 New Covid-19 Cases today


65 have Died from Covid-19 today

42,825 Total UK deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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Well Done Cornwall

[arista]

Tomorrow
Monday Parliament is expected to have the Johnson PM
telling all the new traffic light system.

Up North of England
in danger Zone Red.

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[Nicky91]

one area in wales also green


worst is manchester area, correct?

[AnnieK]

We are expecting a severe lock down from weds.....:sad:

[bots]

basically any populated area in northern england has increasing cases. While it would be reduced by schools and pubs closing, i believe the weather is the biggest factor

[reece(:]

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[arista]

Yes Reece they are in power
so allow their pick on Labour Boroughs

[arista]

One area in Wales also green


worst is manchester area, correct?


Lucky Small area in Wales,

[arista]

Meanwhile in Wales
The Nutter is at it Again

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[Peirs Corbyn, 73, addressed crowds at a
protest against masks, vaccinations and
5G outside Welsh Parliament, Senedd Cymru, on Sunday]



I would Arrest him.

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[reece(:]

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[arista]

Of Course that Mayor Labour's Rotheram
is demanding More Cash for the Workers.


Reece - there is no more Cash
Available.

[reece(:]

Of Course that Mayor Labour's Rotheram
is demanding More Cash for the Workers.


Reece - there is no more Cash
Available.
People's jobs and livelihoods shouldn't be lost because of this government's incompetencies.

[arista]

People's jobs and livelihoods shouldn't be lost because of this government's incompetencies.

Valid Point
Slick Reece

[Samm]

A lot can happen in the next 3 to 4 years ??


I don’t expect much from these examples for a start .

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anneliese and ed are great MPs.

[reece(:]

Valid Point
Slick Reece

:thumbs::thumbs:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

People's jobs and livelihoods shouldn't be lost because of this government's incompetencies.

Dead right they shouldn't reece.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

We are expecting a severe lock down from weds.....:sad:

the latest gossip seems to indicate that only liverpool will be in the highest tier

[AnnieK]

the latest gossip seems to indicate that only liverpool will be in the highest tier

Really? Well that will be something. The cases Manchester are still ridiculously high, particularly in the Uni areas BUT they are dropping week on week now finally after being local locked down since August but the Manchester Evening News are still saying we will be Tier 3 along with Liverpool and parts of Yorkshire. It doesn't make much difference to me as I haven't been out to a pub or restaurant since this started but Tier 3 also stops all non professional sport and so my kid will be climbing the walls again :worried:

[Ammi]

...Annie...:hug:...although the virus has impact on us all../...worldwide etc...it hasn’t and doesn’t impact in the same ‘equal’ way which is dependant on other factors...

[Zizu]

the latest gossip seems to indicate that only liverpool will be in the highest tier



Manchester area clubs as well ??


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[bots]

the final decisions will be made at the cobra meeting this morning, but my feeling is that they will only put areas in tier 3 that are rising heavily. If they are tailing off or reducing, it will be tier 2

[AnnieK]

the final decisions will be made at the cobra meeting this morning, but my feeling is that they will only put areas in tier 3 that are rising heavily. If they are tailing off or reducing, it will be tier 2

What will be will be, I guess. If its for the greater good etc. I just feel for all those people in the industries that will be affected. :sad:

[bots]

What will be will be, I guess. If its for the greater good etc. I just feel for all those people in the industries that will be affected. :sad:

nobody likes uncertainty, it just screws up the average persons head .... and we have months of it ahead of us. Come April we will all be manic I think

[Strictly Jake]

My dad has this theory. He is probably wrong. But then a lot of it also makes sense. So thought Id share

Liverpool and Manchester are successful cities and thriving at least they were before the pandemic. As a northener I love both of these cities very much and im regularly at both.

Yet these cities have "apparently" got higher rates than everywhere else. While this is probably the case I just cant imagine London not having the same amount of cases if not more?? I think numbers are being kept on the down low unless numbers have been exaggarated in the northern cities

Anyway just bear in mind whats happening with HS2...

Could it be this three tier thing is to ensure bankruptcy to the thriving northern cities, therefore allowing the rich Londoners to swoop in and take whats there for the picking and they have a nice easy journey now with a super speedy train...

Im not saying coronavirus is a hoax but the situation could definitely be put in certain peoples favour and people could be monopolizing the situation

And call me cynical but this three tier system does it remind anyone of the three tier system we had in the past of top class, middle class and working class


Me and my dad may be wrong but it does kind of make sense. Just keep on eye on how often we hear about the north being the problem. Yet we dont gear an awful lot about the bustling London...

[Ammi]

...I don’t know, I think that in a study of particular regions/areas etc...lifestyles would be a thing as well...the differences in socialising in regions...?...so much has been often applied to ‘within the home’ as well..so that would differ from region to region as other factors would...but yeah, so many theories will be had because we just don’t know...

[Nicky91]

no lockdown here, but there will be stricter measures in netherlands


i very much doubt we will have mask requirement if it's up to dumb idiots like Rutte, RIVM director jaap van dissel, latter didn't even wear a mask to the meeting this morning, while every other member of parliament did :hehe:


i feel ashamed i live in a country with so many people here who care more about their freedom than their health :facepalm:

[arista]

Johnson PM is expected to
go Live at 3:30PM today in Parliament


Then around 6PM
on TV from Downing St.

[Strictly Jake]

no lockdown here, but there will be stricter measures in netherlands


i very much doubt we will have mask requirement if it's up to dumb idiots like Rutte, RIVM director jaap van dissel, latter didn't even wear a mask to the meeting this morning, while every other member of parliament did :hehe:


i feel ashamed i live in a country with so many people here who care more about their freedom than their health :facepalm:

Hmm I dunno Nicky for all the statements you have just said to then have #teamtrump in your signature it makes your comments invalid

[Nicky91]

rotterdam mayor aboutaleb has corona

and he moves into home isolation for 7 days and will resume all of his work duties from home either

[Cherie]

My dad has this theory. He is probably wrong. But then a lot of it also makes sense. So thought Id share

Liverpool and Manchester are successful cities and thriving at least they were before the pandemic. As a northener I love both of these cities very much and im regularly at both.

Yet these cities have "apparently" got higher rates than everywhere else. While this is probably the case I just cant imagine London not having the same amount of cases if not more?? I think numbers are being kept on the down low unless numbers have been exaggarated in the northern cities

Anyway just bear in mind whats happening with HS2...

Could it be this three tier thing is to ensure bankruptcy to the thriving northern cities, therefore allowing the rich Londoners to swoop in and take whats there for the picking and they have a nice easy journey now with a super speedy train...

Im not saying coronavirus is a hoax but the situation could definitely be put in certain peoples favour and people could be monopolizing the situation

And call me cynical but this three tier system does it remind anyone of the three tier system we had in the past of top class, middle class and working class


Me and my dad may be wrong but it does kind of make sense. Just keep on eye on how often we hear about the north being the problem. Yet we dont gear an awful lot about the bustling London...

or maybe people in the South are observing the rules more, you said yourself hardly anyone is wearing a mask, I would say its 95 per cent compliance when I am out and about , so if they are not wearing masks you have to ask yourself are they complying with any rules at all :shrug:

[bots]

the government does not make people in the north so ill that they have to be admitted to hospital with covid

There is a simple solution to avoid covid .... social distance ... it's not hard to understand. For weeks all we heard about in the news was all the illegal parties people were having in manchester, and then they wonder why they get sick

Also, by default, people are much less social in the south than they are in the north. People don't tend to collect in each others houses, in the north, they do

[The Slim Reaper]

the government does not make people in the north so ill that they have to be admitted to hospital with covid

There is a simple solution to avoid covid .... social distance ... it's not hard to understand. For weeks all we hear about in the news was all the illegal parties people were having in manchester, and then they wonder why they get sick

Northern towns and cities have been locked down with fewer covid cases per capita, than Johnsons or Raabs constituencies.

[Cherie]

the government does not make people in the north so ill that they have to be admitted to hospital with covid

There is a simple solution to avoid covid .... social distance ... it's not hard to understand. For weeks all we heard about in the news was all the illegal parties people were having in manchester, and then they wonder why they get sick

Also, by default, people are much less social in the south than they are in the north. People don't tend to collect in each others houses, in the north, they do

I think that is the crux of it really

I think its really tough of businesses both North and South who have invested into making their premises covid secure to be hammered in this way

[Nicky91]

Hmm I dunno Nicky for all the statements you have just said to then have #teamtrump in your signature it makes your comments invalid

no i am really hoping current RIVM director will be sacked and replaced with someone more qualified, someone more pro-mask requirements


also awkward when Dr Anthony Fauci knows our current RIVM director well, he also does not understand why he doesn't advise on mask requirements

which is what Fauci said in a livefeed interview with some of our reporters, what he thinks of our current situation

[AnnieK]

Northern towns and cities have been locked down with fewer covid cases per capita, than Johnsons or Raabs constituencies.

:clap1:

[arista]

11AM Van-Tam is giving a News Briefing.

[arista]

Live on both news channels


Downing St.

[Jonathan Van-Tam is here and explaining that this
briefing is about the current state of the
virus in England and how the NHS will be prepared
for the next phase of the pandemic]

[arista]

Many are aged 20-29
and they are passing it on to 60 year olds


Deputy chief medical officer Professor Jonathan Van-Tam leading 11am Downing Street
briefing with Steve Powis, NHSE medical director,
and Dr Jane Eddleston, Greater Manchester medical lead

[Ammi]

...’Long COVID’ in young people is becoming more apparent..’...

[arista]

11:12
Steve Powis, NHSE medical director, is up now and
drawing parallels with France,
where there has been a warning that without new measures,
there'll be 11,000 intensive
care patients by the middle of November
He says the picture is similar in Spain and we are
starting to see the same here.]

[arista]

...’Long COVID’ in young people is becoming more apparent..’...


Yes a New Warning

[Ammi]

Yes a New Warning

...that was said by much of the public all of the time..it isn’t ‘new’...we don’t know what the impact on our children, when it was said that schools should remain open...

[arista]

[Professor Powis: 'We are now having to make greater use
of our third line of defence - hospital care'
He said the UK now has more patients in the hospital
then we did when the government announced
lockdown measures in March.

He said personal measures like washing your hands,
wearing masks and keeping an appropriate distance
has helped as the first line of defence,
as well as measures like the rule of six

Test and trace have helped as a
second line of defence.
But now we are having to rely on hospital care.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-news-live-boris-johnson-briefing-updates-three-tier-lockdown-system-to-be-introduced-12091312

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[bots]

very serious tone in the meeting, setting the scene for actions later in the day

[arista]

Good they are taking
Press Questions

BBC first.

[arista]

very serious tone in the meeting, setting the scene for actions later in the day




Yes seems better without a Politician there.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

..’...no evidence of significant transmission within schools...‘...:love:..

[Nicky91]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_Osterhaus

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this one i would put forward as a RIVM director of my country, if i had anything to say

i mean Ab has got loads of experience with the first SARS virus, and also with the H5N1 virus


Ab now in the current coronacrisis, he says we should all follow the german approach, look closely at how they are taking this virus on, how majority of german public trust their government, wear masks, and stay home as much as they can

and also corona-app works perfectly over there too, and local mayors of all regions wherever you got a outbreak, they contain it, quarantine a wider community for a week or two weeks

Ab is also a fan of Merkel's calculating style, like predicting how much new cases could come if you don't make any changes, and how much you can prevent if you take action as fast as possible

[arista]

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[arista]

43mins Van Tam and his 2 helpers
have concluded

[The Slim Reaper]

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Lower case arista? :smug:

[AnnieK]

They just used that data briefing to justify what is to come this afternoon. Its inevitable we will be locked down further I think.....I just hope they do regular reviews and don't leave us in limbo with it.

[The Slim Reaper]

When he was editor of the spectator. It's no real surprise his far right government is picking up from where thatcher left off.

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[Cherie]

They just used that data briefing to justify what is to come this afternoon. Its inevitable we will be locked down further I think.....I just hope they do regular reviews and don't leave us in limbo with it.

what I find baffling about the North, is that locking down earlier was meant to be a cure all for this virus, but in effect the North did lock down early as they were two/three weeks behind London cases when we locked down in March, but cases have never stopped rising even over the summer period, it's inexplicable to me

[AnnieK]

what I find baffling about the North, is that locking down earlier was meant to be a cure all for this virus, but in effect the North did lock down early as they were two/three weeks behind London cases when we locked down in March, but cases have never stopped rising even over the summer period, it's inexplicable to me

I think as BOTs said earlier the way we socialise up here is a little different, I think we probably have more multi-generational families, the weather is often more inclement up here driving people indoors etc.....and let's face it, we obviously don't wash out hands properly :laugh:

I can't explain it....in the first of lockdown I know very few people who broke the rules but since the relaxation started I think many people returned to behaving exactly as they did before. As I said, it is to be expected but still a kicker none the leas

[Zizu]

..’...no evidence of significant transmission within schools...‘...:love:..



They would say that though ...

I don’t recall seeing any evidence you can catch it / spread it by hugging either ...


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[Zizu]

...’Long COVID’ in young people is becoming more apparent..’...



Yet they apparently rarely catch it and don’t spread it ...


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[Zizu]

what I find baffling about the North, is that locking down earlier was meant to be a cure all for this virus, but in effect the North did lock down early as they were two/three weeks behind London cases when we locked down in March, but cases have never stopped rising even over the summer period, it's inexplicable to me



I live in Gtr Manchester and I’ve been shocked that so many people just flout all the regulations .. it’s all been documented so I’m not going into detail but ...


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[UserSince2005]

All they need to do is to close down schools.

I'm sorry but its obvious that as soon as schools reopen the virus spread.

[Nicky91]

All they need to do is to close down schools.

I'm sorry but its obvious that as soon as schools reopen the virus spread.

yes and then doing a ''school from home'' via facetime, skype

giving students assignments for history lessons too, to go studying a specific topic via wikipedia

lots of educational stuff you can do from home honestly

as for cleaners at schools, they can do that more safely when there are no students present

[Nicky91]

todays numbers netherlands

6,854 new cases

65 new hospitalisations (1,298 in total) 252 on ICU now (increase of 65)

12 new dead

[Cherie]

All they need to do is to close down schools.

I'm sorry but its obvious that as soon as schools reopen the virus spread.

so how do you explain cases in the North not dropping when schools were closed?

[arista]

Next around 3:30PM
Prime Minister Johnson speaking in Parliament Live.

Then 6PM Live
10 Downing Street
Johnson and Sunak.

[user104658]

All they need to do is to close down schools.

I'm sorry but its obvious that as soon as schools reopen the virus spread.Schools in Scotland opened several weeks earlier than schools in England and yet the virus started spreading at exactly the same time, so that's not the link.

[arista]

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[AnnieK]

Looks like we will avoid the Tier 3....for now
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-live-uk-updates-tough-19087229

[Nicky91]

German christmas markets placed a ban on dutch people, that they aren't welcome these times

which is yearly like 100.000 dutch people to those markets in dusseldorf, koln, essen, oberhausen

[arista]

German christmas markets placed a ban on dutch people, that they aren't welcome these times

which is yearly like 100.000 dutch people to those markets in dusseldorf, koln, essen, oberhausen



Yes Good move
Covid Spreaders can piss off

[reece(:]

Sounds like Newcastle has avoided Tier 3 too, hopefully anyway.

[arista]

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[bots]

Looks like we will avoid the Tier 3....for now
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-live-uk-updates-tough-19087229

yep, 3 MP's from the area have said manchester won't be in tier 3 yet .... you get the gossip here first :laugh:

[Kizzy]

This thread is over the 5000 post limit again, time for another arista?

Good job I kept my keyworker letter bet leeds locks down :/

[Zizu]

Sounds like Newcastle has avoided Tier 3 too, hopefully anyway.



It’s not too long ago that Newcastle and Bolton Gtr Manchester were riding high at the top of the infection rate tables ..

Who’s at the top now I wonder if Gtr Manchester and Newcastle are only going to be Tier 2 !?!?


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[Nicky91]

Yes Good move
Covid Spreaders can piss off

very good move, christmas markets tends to easily attract elderly visitors, so good action taken there to ban our people from coming this year

[Zizu]

TalkSPORT News just said that the number of Covid19 cases in our hospitals is HIGHER now than when we went into full lockdown in March !??

How is that possible when only a week or so ago we were told in that Live Announcement that they were concerned at the increased rate of infections but they were only a tenth of the numbers back on March ??


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[arista]

This thread is over the 5000 post limit again, time for another arista?

Good job I kept my keyworker letter bet leeds locks down :/


I thinks its 10,000

Check the thread before
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364573&page=430

[The Slim Reaper]

Can someone other than Arista make the next one, so he doesn't piss about with the title 44 times an hour. :smug:

[Nicky91]

TalkSPORT News just said that the number of Covid19 cases in our hospitals is HIGHER now than when we went into full lockdown in March !??

How is that possible when only a week or so ago we were told in that Live Announcement that they were concerned at the increased rate of infections but they were only a tenth of the numbers back on March ??


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because back then you guys probably didn't know the real numbers (lack of testing), same here in my country, also goes up really high now due to more testing going on


again here in netherlands they are worried in hospitals, we might have too little ICU beds again despite there was really a need of those but ignored by our PM back at first wave :rolleyes:


how are NHS coping, is the temporary hospital nightingale operational again?

[Zizu]

because back then you guys probably didn't know the real numbers (lack of testing), same here in my country, also goes up really high now due to more testing going on





again here in netherlands they are worried in hospitals, we might have too little ICU beds again despite there was really a need of those but ignored by our PM back at first wave :rolleyes:





how are NHS coping, is the temporary hospital nightingale operational again?



They have put three of the northern ones back into action today ( Manchester , Sunderland and Harrogate) ready for the possible influx


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[arista]

The PM
is now Live in Parliament
All media

[joeysteele]

Here he goes.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD
has the Next 10 Downing St. at 7PM today
not 6PM

It's Johnson and the Chancellor Rishi Sunak.

[arista]

The Labour Leader
wants track and trace given back to NHS.

He supports the new measures, though.

[joeysteele]

Here he is on a rant, he hates any criticism does Johnson.

How can any other party really say what they'd do without the full data he has.

Oh lord, here's another waste of space.
The Nation's heard more from Ian Duncan Smith than likely when he was Con leader.
The one they dumped before he could even lead them into an election.

[arista]

I hope the Press can ask Questions
at the 7PM
10 Downing St
PM Johnson and Sunak.

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Patients in hospital
3,837

Patients in ventilator beds
442

The Total Covid-19 Deaths 42,875

13,972 New Covid-19 cases today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1313436011603677184/wDjucYz1?format=jpg&name=small

Cheer Up

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

netherlands breaking news

No More Amateur Sports for these current times until further notice, also the parliament thinks it is better for people to only use public transport if really necessary

indoors only gatherings now of a maximum of 30 people

outdoors just 4 people next to each other


for pubs, bars, restaurants again new stricter measures but for now not sure what measures will be (tomorrow will be revealed in press conference)

[The Slim Reaper]

netherlands breaking news

No More Amateur Sports for these current times until further notice, also the parliament thinks it is better for people to only use public transport if really necessary

indoors only gatherings now of a maximum of 30 people

outdoors just 4 people next to each other


for pubs, bars, restaurants again new stricter measures but for now not sure what measures will be (tomorrow will be revealed in press conference)

Eredivisie is off then :smug:

[Nicky91]

Eredivisie is off then :smug:

nope, as that is professional sports

[The Slim Reaper]

nope, as that is professional sports

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[arista]

[The Liverpool City Region will be on the
"very high" Covid alert level from Wednesday,
Boris Johnson has announced.
Confirming a new three-tier lockdown system,
the PM said pubs, bars and betting shops
will close on Merseyside.
Most areas of England will be on "medium" alert,
with measures like the rule of six,
but areas with local restrictions
on household mixing are automatically on "high" alert.

The PM said all retail outlets, schools
and universities will remain open.

It came after England's deputy chief medical officer,
Prof Jonathan Van-Tam, said growth in Covid cases
was a "nationwide phenomenon"
and that "things are heating up"
in areas beyond northern England.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54514079

[AnnieK]

My son has been told to isolate AGAIN. he's not been able to do more than 2 weeks between isolations :mad:

[Nicky91]

also our minister of medical care has confirmed we got enough hazmat suits, and medical face masks, also for a upcoming third wave

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-54482905

Covid across Europe: As UK prepares for new lockdowns,
Europe too is struggling


That Link has Nickys Nation.

["Very bad" was Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's assessment
on Friday of how his country is faring.
An understatement perhaps, given the Netherlands
has one of the worst infection rates in Europe - almost 6,000 new cases
recorded on Thursday, writes Anna Holligan, in The Hague.]

[Nicky91]

because they care too much about their freedom over here :rolleyes:

[arista]

My son has been told to isolate AGAIN. he's not been able to do more than 2 weeks between isolations :mad:


That's a shame.

[arista]

Sadly Liverpool
has the highest Covid-19 folks in Hospital
so they have had to cancel some normal operations
in hospitals.


The PM is still answering questions
in Parliament, it is due to end around 5:50PM.

Next Year in England
All A-levels will now be 3 weeks later

[Nicky91]

i already know there won't be requirement on masks, us stupid dutch with our desire for that unnecessary freedom

:idc:

i am even not gonna watch our press conference tomorrow, tired of hearing that nonsense from our failed PM

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

yup bring another possible covid cases home, make sure they are thoroughly tested then

[Zizu]

yup bring another possible covid cases home, make sure they are thoroughly tested then



Well that won’t happen .. .


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[Zizu]

Is there a theory why very young children seem to be , generally speaking , untouched by the virus ??


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[arista]

BBC London News reports
some parts of London are close to the Liverpool Level.
The Mayor says later in the week
measures will be taken.

[user104658]

Is there a theory why very young children seem to be , generally speaking , untouched by the virus ??


Normal for many viruses to be honest, e.g. measles is (usually) much milder in children, Chicken Pox isn't a worry in kids but can have serious complications in adults (shingles), etc.

If you look at the graphs Covid isn't really a serious threat right up to the mid-40's, and even then it's quite rare for it to be "severe" right up until 60+, with obviously 75+ being the real risk category. It is fairly standard for respiratory illnesses to be worse the older you get.

[arista]

The PM , Rishi Sunak are Live
And Professor Whitty.


SkyNewsHD
BBC1HD
LBC Radio
Times DAB Radio
Radio5


Live Link
https://twitter.com/i/events/1314485905609031686

[Zizu]

Normal for many viruses to be honest, e.g. measles is (usually) much milder in children, Chicken Pox isn't a worry in kids but can have serious complications in adults (shingles), etc.



If you look at the graphs Covid isn't really a serious threat right up to the mid-40's, and even then it's quite rare for it to be "severe" right up until 60+, with obviously 75+ being the real risk category. It is fairly standard for respiratory illnesses to be worse the older you get.



Thanks ...


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[arista]

They are taking Media Questions now


SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD



The PM has now Finished

[Zizu]

Professor Chris cited a group of contributory factors

Mixing indoors

In crowed environments

Mixing with people not in your household

Not wearing masks

... he’s just described schools ...


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[arista]

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[arista]

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Chris WITTY headline ??
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[Cherie]

8 months of sacrifice? Only for some

[bots]

it's pretty sad that politics is coming into it more and more because that dilutes the message on following the restrictions more than anything else

[Zizu]

8 months of sacrifice? Only for some



Will it be 67% of ‘take home pay’ of normal pay before tax and NI taken out ?


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[Nicky91]

netherlands

Pubs, Bars, Restaurants will be closed again, this time they will remain closed for next 2 or 3 weeks at least

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Other than Liverpool.
What else was done yesterday rather than just be stressed again.

If the science, which this PM and his Cabinet have his behind all the time, saying they have followed the science.
Since it's clear they went against the science weeks ago, with the revelations today.

Where does that leave things now.
Are they following the science or not on this massive dangerous health issue.

More and more, all I hear people say is it feels as worrying as in March.
Yet we get this tinkering with things and 3 tier tripe.
You've either a crisis or you haven't.
If you haven't, prepare properly and efficiently in case you do get one.

When you are in one, don't pussyfoot about, do EVERYTHING that is deemed necessary to get out of it.

This doing this bit here, this bit there, while not addressing everywhere.
Just fuels confusion and adds to genuine fears.

From all sides, it's time for those elected to represent and particularly those in actual power, to be all inclusive, properly plan and consult on dealing with this.
Stop talking so much, listen more.
Then do ALL the right things, not some or just even bits.

They have all the data and information in front of them.
They know what's happening and the forecasts of what could and is more likely to.

This is too big a task for just the government.
Because one problem I'm hearing about is people in growing numbers have now no trust in what the government dictates.

In this pandemic, as much as I dislike this PM and his government.
That saddens me, because at this time what was needed was full trust in the government, trust earned by the government.
However, they've allowed that trust to be lost.
Therein lies even greater problems then to come.

[Strictly Jake]

So all the businesses having to close in olaces like aliverpool for who knows how long just to be given 3000 is worrying! I wouldnt have thought that would be enough to cover all overheads, employee wages etc?

[Zizu]

Other than Liverpool.
What else was done yesterday rather than just be stressed again.

If the science, which this PM and his Cabinet have his behind all the time, saying they have followed the science.
Since it's clear they went against the science weeks ago, with the revelations today.

Where does that leave things now.
Are they following the science or not on this massive dangerous health issue.

More and more, all I hear people say is it feels as worrying as in March.
Yet we get this tinkering with things and 3 tier tripe.
You've either a crisis or you haven't.
If you haven't, prepare properly and efficiently in case you do get one.

When you are in one, don't pussyfoot about, do EVERYTHING that is deemed necessary to get out of it.

This doing this bit here, this bit there, while not addressing everywhere.
Just fuels confusion and adds to genuine fears.

From all sides, it's time for those elected to represent and particularly those in actual power, to be all inclusive, properly plan and consult on dealing with this.
Stop talking so much, listen more.
Then do ALL the right things, not some or just even bits.

They have all the data and information in front of them.
They know what's happening and the forecasts of what could and is more likely to.

This is too big a task for just the government.
Because one problem I'm hearing about is people in growing numbers have now no trust in what the government dictates.

In this pandemic, as much as I dislike this PM and his government.
That saddens me, because at this time what was needed was full trust in the government, trust earned by the government.
However, they've allowed that trust to be lost.
Therein lies even greater problems then to come.



I’m wondering why these huge ‘health based’ decisions are taken by the government in the first place .

Why isn’t there a panel of scientists and doctors in charge of the health leaving the economy to the government .

It’s a bit like Question Time each week where the scientist/doctors / entrepreneurs as speak sensibly but the politicians simply avoid the issues


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[Nicky91]

So all the businesses having to close in olaces like aliverpool for who knows how long just to be given 3000 is worrying! I wouldnt have thought that would be enough to cover all overheads, employee wages etc?

because of our mistakes made


look at germany's daily numbers, they are decreasing, first they were at over 5.000 cases, but now at 2.000 new cases yesterday

[Zizu]

Heard last night of yet another case ( the 5th) where someone has contracted the virus for a second time and this time it’s far worse needing far more serious treatment.

That concerns me ...


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[joeysteele]

Furthermore.
The graphs showing those between 65 to 84 along with those over 85 being the rising number of hospital admissions.

Yet since July, there's been no single proposal of protecting those in those age groups.
Those that want the support and help that is.
Fine if others want to take risks.

More and more of those are now having to head out to pay bills, for shopping, at times using public transport, whether they want to or not, with those much younger who can transmit this virus to them.

This government just seems to adopt a throwaway attitude to those age groups.
That's before we even think about those with other serious health conditions too.
This PM and his government never even mention them now.
Never mind set out to ensure the fullest protection of them, IF they want to have more recognised official protection in place.

[Nicky91]

i am already dreading our press conference by loser Rutte tonight

they first have a meeting with RIVM's outbreak management team, i already know that **** of a RIVM will say ''no mask requirement necessary'' since they seem to swear at that norwegian investigation what those idiots mention all the time :idc:


so many deaths, blood on hands of our RIVM for sure

[bots]

Boris has always been clear in that he is balancing restrictions against the economic hardship. The science takes no account of the economic hardship so the implemented measures will be different to those recommended by scientists

Take a look at europe and we are following exactly the same measures. Look at the economic assistance offered and it's very much in line with what is being offered across europe.

All this negativity all the time does no good to anyone

[Zizu]

Heard last night of yet another case ( the 5th) where someone has contracted the virus for a second time and this time it’s far worse needing far more serious treatment.

That concerns me ...


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Sky News reporting it now XX
It’s a guy in the US - in his twenties.. the first time was a breeze but this second time he’s very poorly . .. this is all in a 6 WEEK period !!




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[Cherie]

Sky News reporting it now XX
It’s a guy in the US - in his twenties.. the first time was a breeze but this second time he’s very poorly . .. this is all in a 6 WEEK period !!




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you have to ask how unlucky he is to have contracted it twice? or is it that he just doesn't follow any measures to protect himself, also call me cynical but its very convenient as a narrative to go against Trump and his immunity narrative, all very politically driven I feel

[Nicky91]

you have to ask how unlucky he is to have contracted it twice? or is it that he just doesn't follow any measures to protect himself, also call me cynical but its very convenient as a narrative to go against Trump and his immunity narrative, all very politically driven I feel

oopsie, let Trump be just that sort of person too

so if i were him, i better follow this story too, and not being too arrogant about his ''immunity'' when there isn't immunity for a long time

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...the face and space aren’t working together atm in supermarkets etc...(...in our local ones anyway...)...because the number of people allowed in there doesn’t have restrictions anymore to be able to keep that space, no matter how much it’s tried to...it isn’t ‘face and space’, it’s become more ‘replace space with face’, for many, sadly...

[joeysteele]

I’m wondering why these huge ‘health based’ decisions are taken by the government in the first place .

Why isn’t there a panel of scientists and doctors in charge of the health leaving the economy to the government .

It’s a bit like Question Time each week where the scientist/doctors / entrepreneurs as speak sensibly but the politicians simply avoid the issues


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I'd agree with that.

I also admit the economy is important.
I could make the political point that after near 10 years of unbroken power, with no other real international financial crisis to contend with, our economy should have been better prepared for any crisis.

However, this economy over people's lives irritates me greatly.
It's like the mindset of a few more thousand sick or elderly lives lost is worth paying to keep the economy going better.

Lives over money or money over lives.
I know which I'd choose with power.

We're looking at the next 6 months of this procrastinating and pussyfooting around trying to deal with bits of everything, while achieving little on anything it seems.

An economy that cannot take a really bad year, to be built up again afterwards.
Was a pretty bad economy in the first place despite being told how wonderful all was and would be before this crisis hit.

Never mind, let's just sacrifice more seriously ill and elderly, the economy is far more important.
Unbelievable and heartless, that's my view anyway.

[bots]

you have to ask how unlucky he is to have contracted it twice? or is it that he just doesn't follow any measures to protect himself, also call me cynical but its very convenient as a narrative to go against Trump and his immunity narrative, all very politically driven I feel

There are about 5 recorded cases of people being re-infected after catching it, out of the millions infected. Also, 1 person experienced worse symptoms on re-infections, the other 4, not so much. So the upshot is the chance of short term re-infection looks slim, but we don't know what the long term situation will be

[Cherie]

There are about 5 recorded cases of people being re-infected after catching it, out of the millions infected. Also, 1 person experienced worse symptoms on re-infections, the other 4, not so much. So the upshot is the chance of short term re-infection looks slim, but we don't know what the long term situation will be

5 in the world? that number should not be making headlines, and the only reason it is, is due to Trump and his bizarre claims

[Nicky91]

also NL: purchase of alcohol by youth in evenings is going to be forbidden now

[bots]

5 in the world? that number should not be making headlines, and the only reason it is, is due to Trump and his bizarre claims

yes, 5 in the world. The situation is muddied a little by the fact that some of that 5 may even not have been re-infected, it was just residual virus making a come back. These bizarre claims appear regularly, it's not just about Trump. A study showed that the virus can remain active on surfaces for 28 days... but they did that in lab conditions that are just not applicable in the real world, so it's unnecessarily panicking people

[Nicky91]

yes, 5 in the world. The situation is muddied a little by the fact that some of that 5 may even not have been re-infected, it was just residual virus making a come back. These bizarre claims appear regularly, it's not just about Trump. A study showed that the virus can remain active on surfaces for 28 days... but they did that in lab conditions that are just not applicable in the real world, so it's unnecessarily panicking people

yes panic is the last thing you want in a dangerous situation as this

but these scientists who study this virus, spend like loads of hours into finding out more about covid-19, since there is still a lot not known

for you to say ''not applicable in the real world'' is just not very respectful towards their hard work so far, no offense of course Bots

[Nicky91]

Italy has also announced stricter measures again

PM Conte said these new measures will be active for the next 30 days

no more partying, weddings maximum limit of 30 people (first that were 200) and pubs, bars, restaurants must be closed at midnight

[user104658]

yes, 5 in the world. The situation is muddied a little by the fact that some of that 5 may even not have been re-infected, it was just residual virus making a come back. These bizarre claims appear regularly, it's not just about Trump. A study showed that the virus can remain active on surfaces for 28 days... but they did that in lab conditions that are just not applicable in the real world, so it's unnecessarily panicking peopleIndeed and this one from the US with quick "re-infection" within weeks strongly suggests it's a resurgence of his original infection and that it was never fully cleared. There were examples of that all the way back in ye olde days in China before it took hold elsewhere.

Honestly I would take these examples, especially from the US at the moment, with a large pinch of salt as there is a huge political component infused into every part of their news at the moment because of the upcoming election. I keep reading "personal accounts of Covid" from people in the US all over the Internet that just don't ring true. Wild symptoms that nowhere else is reporting, doom-filled stories about "entire families" ending up in hospital from kids to grandparents with half of them dying that bear little resemblance to various things we know about Covid...

Usually prefaced with "I'm from the South and I used to be anti-mask and think it was a hoax but now..." and yet with a suspiciously well-written piece of prose for a deep south republican anti-mask hick.

[Cherie]

Indeed and this one from the US with quick "re-infection" within weeks strongly suggests it's a resurgence of his original infection and that it was never fully cleared. There were examples of that all the way back in ye olde days in China before it took hold elsewhere.

Honestly I would take these examples, especially from the US at the moment, with a large pinch of salt as there is a huge political component infused into every part of their news at the moment because of the upcoming election. I keep reading "personal accounts of Covid" from people in the US all over the Internet that just don't ring true. Wild symptoms that nowhere else is reporting, doom-filled stories about "entire families" ending up in hospital from kids to grandparents with half of them dying that bear little resemblance to various things we know about Covid...

Usually prefaced with "I'm from the South and I used to be anti-mask and think it was a hoax but now..." and yet with a suspiciously well-written piece of prose for a deep south republican anti-mask hick.

its 100% politically driven, like so much of this reporting around this pandemic, politics before lives

[Nicky91]

a dutch 89 yr old woman has died of covid-19, the first confirmed death after getting the virus for a second time

she also had a rare form of bone marrow cancer, because of that she had a weakened immune system

[Zizu]

...the face and space aren’t working together atm in supermarkets etc...(...in our local ones anyway...)...because the number of people allowed in there doesn’t have restrictions anymore to be able to keep that space, no matter how much it’s tried to...it isn’t ‘face and space’, it’s become more ‘replace space with face’, for many, sadly...



I was stunned to hear ‘what’s his name’ name drop Tesco for their negligence in wearing masks and social distancing as our Tesco has antibacterial stations entrance / exits , sanitised trolley station before you enter , all customers wear masks ... yet Home Bargains staff state that they can’t enforce mask wearing ( that’s down to the police they claim) so only about 5% of customers bother wearing them

Situation- Gtr Manchester area


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entire team of Jumbo-Visma is out of Giro D'Italia after positive coronatest of Steven Kruijswijk, another contender for Giro Michael Matthews also got tested positive for corona

australian team mitchelton scott also pulled out of the Giro as a result (earlier british Simon Yates with a positive test)

also 6 staff members were tested (4 of whom were of mitchelton scott team)

[Zizu]

There are about 5 recorded cases of people being re-infected after catching it, out of the millions infected. Also, 1 person experienced worse symptoms on re-infections, the other 4, not so much. So the upshot is the chance of short term re-infection looks slim, but we don't know what the long term situation will be



Although it’s been less than a year ... it was a while before the first case came to light but now we’re suddenly up to the fifth and it’s the latest one that’s had two bouts of the virus in a six week period and he’s the one who’s dreadfully poorly now after an easy ride in his first bout .

I’m really not liking this ‘trend’ at all ..

Also millions have had it without symptoms or very slight symptoms without even KNOWING it so there could be hundreds of thousands going through the infection for the second time now - this time getting worse symptoms this time


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[arista]

John Ashton
Former Health Professor
said on All Out Politics SkyNewsHD
"Schools and University's need to only do 3 days a week
giving Students more space"
Track and Trace he said is a Failed system.

[bots]

if re-infection was a genuine thing there would have been tens of thousands of cases of re-infection by now. Less than 10 cases world wide that aren't even proven to be re-infection, is alarmist scaremongering. There is still some doubr about long term re-infection, but that can only come into play on a long timescale. There are things worth worrying about, this is definitely not one of them

[Nicky91]

if re-infection was a genuine thing there would have been tens of thousands of cases of re-infection by now. Less than 10 cases world wide that aren't even proven to be re-infection, is alarmist scaremongering. There is still some doubr about long term re-infection, but that can only come into play on a long timescale. There are things worth worrying about, this is definitely not one of them

how is that scaremongering? this just proves you should still wear a mask, and social distance as much as possible

getting covid a second time can get you even worse (since first time already damaged you)

i know it might maybe come across as scary, worrying but all what you need to do is pay close attention to advice given, don't let your guard down in thinking you're safe cuz you are not (you can only say that you are safe when there is a vaccine) however maybe it is better for future to also continue wear masks, given you got other influenza's too and better hygiene is how we can help and try to prevent another outbreak at this scale in the future

[Vanessa]

Italy has also announced stricter measures again

PM Conte said these new measures will be active for the next 30 days

no more partying, weddings maximum limit of 30 people (first that were 200) and pubs, bars, restaurants must be closed at midnight

Cases are rising in there as well. Although it's not too bad at the moment.
But it's better to act now, before it gets out if control.

[Cherie]

how is that scaremongering? this just proves you should still wear a mask, and social distance as much as possible

getting covid a second time can get you even worse (since first time already damaged you)

i know it might maybe come across as scary, worrying but all what you need to do is pay close attention to advice given, don't let your guard down in thinking you're safe cuz you are not (you can only say that you are safe when there is a vaccine) however maybe it is better for future to also continue wear masks, given you got other influenza's too and better hygiene is how we can help and try to prevent another outbreak at this scale in the future

because its 5 people in how many infections worldwide?

[Nicky91]

because its 5 people in how many infections worldwide?

basically you saying ''the few or the many''

even if it's just 5 people regarding these re-infections, it is still proof that it is possible

so immunity does NOT exist for a long time

[arista]

9 Died in Scotland
Larger than usual

[joeysteele]

basically you saying ''the few or the many''

even if it's just 5 people regarding these re-infections, it is still proof that it is possible

so immunity does NOT exist for a long time

Yes it is Nicky proof of re-infections.

It is at ptesent 5 people recorded and documented to have been re-infected.
They are ALL we know of.

It would be as equally dangerous to ignore and dismiss re-infection could happen..
As it would to present it as a norm as to re-infection.

There could, I stress could, be people who have been re-infected.
Who we know nothing about, yet.
The danger is, this guy had it.
It's felt according to the news, he was re-infected by a family member possibly.

The end result is, if you've had it, it appears, you CAN be re-infected with it..
Which will mean you can transmit it again too


Only 5 at present.
I'd expect that number to grow considerably.

A few weeks ago, on the government's new only 28 day range of figures of deaths.
We saw, well there's very low deaths now.

Now we're back to hundreds of lives lost every week again, even on the government's 28 day only deaths figures.

Anything has to be expected with this virus.
Dismissing low numbers, that can over time eventually become large numbers.
That's the opposite of scaremongering, however near equally dangerous to do so.
In my view.

[user104658]

basically you saying ''the few or the many''



even if it's just 5 people regarding these re-infections, it is still proof that it is possible



so immunity does NOT exist for a long timeThat's not really how it works Nicky, some people being infected twice doesn't mean that it's likely for everyone to be prone to multiple infections.

For example, it is VERY unusual for people to get chicken pox twice - but it is possible. Measles, Mumps and Scarlet Fever (bacterial, not a virus) are other examples. Usually if you've had them once you won't get them again, but a small number of people do.