Coronavirus Outbreak

[Lewismacfarlane]

My dad had my brother in law in the house today is that allowed yet

[arista]

:think: honestly I've stopped trying to decipher this DaVinci code system.


I knew John Hopkins would be Higher
that's why I posted them
Just before 5PM


Can we Trust the Government numbers?

[Greg!]

No, they have to be outside if you're meeting someone

[arista]

10,000 jobs as Covid-19 virus hits
demand for oil]

Bound to happen, sadly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52966609

[arista]

No, they have to be outside if you're meeting someone


Scotland Rules
like England


Of course, you introduced them before England

[arista]

My dad had my brother in law in the house today is that allowed yet


I deleted my Reply
as Greg posted the correct data

[arista]

Hancock MP has Finished

[Zizu]

Hancock MP has Finished



Has finished or IS finished ??


I’ve kinda lost confidence in the guy tbh


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[Oliver_W]

Talking about people's appearance is petty so I apologise, but Cummings really does look like Gollum. Both Hancock and Merkle look like Grishnakh

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[Kizzy]

I guess so I suppose it depends when the virus got there

COVID-19 related deaths among Brazil's indigenous populations rose to 182 by 1 June – a rise of 154 fatalities from 28 instances recorded at the end of April.

It says in the info you posted there were 28 deaths at the end of April so that's a rise of 126 in around 4 weeks, or just over 31 a week. Out of 850,000 that's not bad.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

The way I see it is that all the current government measures and guidelines have one purpose, to absolve the government of any responsibility when things go wrong. They really don't seem to care about peoples welfare at all.

[thesheriff443]

So just something to mull over.

We where working for Charles, yesterday at his riverside boathouse property, he has a business in China and its in wuhan.

His business rep came back from there in November and developed pneumonia symptoms, he went to hospital and was told they did not know what it was but sent him home with meds.

So like others have suggested the virus was in China and then in this country much earlier than first thought.

[bots]

An apparent surge in traffic outside Wuhan hospitals from August 2019 may suggest the coronavirus hit the area earlier than reported, a study says.

Harvard researchers say satellite images show an increase in traffic outside five hospitals in the Chinese city from late August to December.

The traffic spike coincided with a rise in online searches for information on symptoms like "cough" and "diarrhoea".

China said the study was "ridiculous" and based on "superficial" information.

It is believed that the virus first appeared in China some time in November. Authorities reported a cluster of pneumonia cases with an unknown cause to the World Health Organization (WHO) on 31 December 2019.

"Clearly, there was some level of social disruption taking place well before what was previously identified as the start of the novel coronavirus pandemic," Dr John Brownstein, who led the research, told ABC news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52975934

[user104658]

His business rep came back from there in November and developed pneumonia symptoms, he went to hospital and was told they did not know what it was but sent him home with meds.

So like others have suggested the virus was in China and then in this country much earlier than first thought.

I have (anecdotally) heard quite a few hospital respiratory consultants say that they saw a number of "unexplained" respiratory conditions in the back half of 2019, none that ended up in ICU or with a death, but very bad coughs and they couldn't discover a "usual" cause. Patients recovered and they just chalked it up as random occurences - but looking back at chest x-rays of those patients from when they were ill, they look very much like Covid x-rays.

[Samm]

There's been a theory that the first lot of unexplained respiratory conditions in late 2019 was the first wave of the virus and that it just went unnoticed and the outbreak that we've had this year is the second more deadly wave due to the virus already adapting to us. Obviously this isn't fact and we will probably not know until years of investigation. It could be a positive due to the if it was to go out of control again the wave would be less deadly because the virus has already been going around for longer.

[arista]

286 have Died of Covid-19 in the UK

UK Death Total: 40,883

5PM Live 10 Downing St, Briefing.

[arista]

Not on SkyNewsHD they are showing Floyd Funeral USA
They say its on their website

Alok Sharma Live

BBC1HD Live

[arista]

Monday 15th of June
all shops can open provided
they keep the Social Distancing.

[arista]

Alok gave a short briefing

"everything is under review"

Answer to most questions

[Oliver_W]

Went for a walk earlier, even the birds are socially distancing :hehe:

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4966&stc=1&d=1591726153

[Beso]

Went for a walk earlier, even the birds are socially distancing :hehe:

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4966&stc=1&d=1591726153




:hugesmile:

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[arista]

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[arista]

NewsnightHD BBC2 claims the PM
after his PMQ's will do the 5PM Briefing.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Cant wait until all the family can be in the same house

[DouglasS]

It’s interesting that it’s still not a fact or it’s still not known whether you can get immunity to coronavorus once having had it. There are still dividing pieces/articles being written with conversing views. Once this is known it will change the game massively as to how the world responds. If immunity is possible then life will return to normality quicker, if not a vaccine will be the only way to have normality maybe?

[arista]

The PM is Live in Parliament
facing the Labour Leader in PMQ's

in a few mins

[Beso]

Is he standing or kneeling today?

[arista]

Is he standing or kneeling today?

They were standing.

[Oliver_W]

I only #TakeTheKnee for one reason :hehe:

To pray to Jesus :angel:

[The Slim Reaper]

I only #TakeTheKnee for one reason :hehe:

To pray to Jesus :angel:

Quite right. :smug:

[Beso]

I do wonder what helped fund the building of the building stammers kneeling photo was taken in yesterday.

[arista]

[125 Frankie & Benny's restaurants to close
and up to 3,000 jobs to go
Frankie & Benny's was struggling even
before the coronavirus pandemic hit,
amid a backdrop of weaker consumer spending.]

https://news.sky.com/story/125-frankie-bennys-restaurants-to-close-putting-thousands-of-jobs-at-risk-12003874

Gone for good, sadly.

[The Slim Reaper]

How would they know? He's been hiding again.

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[Oliver_W]

How would they know? He's been hiding again.

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I didn't notice it "through the screen"; as always Sir Kier was skewering Boris, and Boris did seem a bit more irritable than usual, but if there was any unease I didn't detect it.

[The Slim Reaper]

I didn't notice it "through the screen"; as always Sir Kier was skewering Boris, and Boris did seem a bit more irritable than usual, but if there was any unease I didn't detect it.

Tho it’s unlikely to manifest itself at PMQs today...

.:smug:

[Oliver_W]

.:smug:

yeah, well :joker:

As the Doctor once said, "doesn't she look tired?" Corona really seems to have taken some of Boris' bounce away, I wonder how its affecting those who weren't as "healthy" before...

[arista]

The PM is Live


10 Downing St. Briefing


PM is being joined by chief medical adviser Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK’s chief scientific adviser

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Oliver_W]

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Jesus, damn them for dragging their feet so much.

One bloody week!!

[The Slim Reaper]

Jesus, damn them for dragging their feet so much.

One bloody week!!

The paper he wrote hasn't been peer reviewed yet, so it's just an opinion until it progresses through scientific academia.

[bots]

you can only lock people down when they want to be locked down. Do people forget the scenes so quickly in London where people were out partying without a care in the world when they were specifically told it was dangerous to do so, the week before the lockdown.

Yes, if people had obeyed things a week earlier when they were told to do so it would have been a lot better, many less would have died, but you can't have a successful lockdown until people understand that lives depend on it, and that takes time to hit home.

[The Slim Reaper]

you can only lock people down when they want to be locked down. Do people forget the scenes so quickly in London where people were out partying without a care in the world when they were specifically told it was dangerous to do so, the week before the lockdown.

Yes, if people had obeyed things a week earlier when they were told to do so it would have been a lot better, many less would have died, but you can't have a successful lockdown until people understand that lives depend on it, and that takes time to hit home.

The scenes in Italy had been splashed across the news for weeks. There is absolutely nothing to suggest it was impossible, because leaders move the needle, they don't wait for Fred in Hastings to give them the ok. We're talking about a week, not 6 months.

[arista]

245 more COVID-19 deaths

41,128

[bots]

The scenes in Italy had been splashed across the news for weeks. There is absolutely nothing to suggest it was impossible, because leaders move the needle, they don't wait for Fred in Hastings to give them the ok. We're talking about a week, not 6 months.

Fred in Hastings would beg to differ :smug:

[Zizu]

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Can his judgement really be trusted now ??


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[Strictly Jake]

I am so ****ed off!!!!!!!

I tuned in a tiny bit late and all the headlines during boris speech mentioned these social bubbles and i took that as some of my family can finally come and visit my newborn(now 2 months!) Son.

Then it took a while to say this only applied to single people

Then he avoids all important questions

I have had enough of all this bull****!!!!!

[Oliver_W]

I am so ****ed off!!!!!!!

I tuned in a tiny bit late and all the headlines during boris speech mentioned these social bubbles and i took that as some of my family can finally come and visit my newborn(now 2 months!) Son.

Then it took a while to say this only applied to single people

Then he avoids all important questions

I have had enough of all this bull****!!!!!

Honestly, just have them round. Stay in the garden and keep two metres apart, but still do it :)

[Strictly Jake]

The thing is as soon as we were told people can come in our gardens the weather took a turn. Typical

[bots]

The thing is as soon as we were told people can come in our gardens the weather took a turn. Typical

i know we can blame the government for a lot, but thats not one of them :laugh:

[Strictly Jake]

i know we can blame the government for a lot, but thats not one of them :laugh:

Well if they introduced it a week earlier :joker:

[Jake.]

What, so now one person who lives on their own can go to another persons house (as long as they too live on their own)?

[Oliver_W]

The thing is as soon as we were told people can come in our gardens the weather took a turn. Typical

To be fair I've been doing that since the beginning :hehe:

[bots]

What, so now one person who lives on their own can go to another persons house (as long as they too live on their own)?

yep, the logic being that it keeps the social bubble small

[Zizu]

yep, the logic being that it keeps the social bubble small



So now a young family can now visit a lone grandparent but can’t visit the other husband and wife grandparents..

That seems kinda unreasonable .

It’s the grandparents who’ve been making all the noise about missing their grandchildren


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[bots]

So now a young family can now visit a lone grandparent but can’t visit the other husband and wife grandparents..

That seems kinda unreasonable .

It’s the grandparents who’ve been making all the noise about missing their grandchildren


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its an easing, these things should be done in steps, it's better than it was, and if people behave it wont be long until it's eased further

[Beso]

Imo, if you've been isolating properly and washing your hands regularly go to mum and dads and have an instant shower and change of clothes, then hug them like theres no tomorrow.

[Vanessa]

Boris helping us single people out :clap1:

[Kizzy]

How are singles any less at risk than couples? :/

[Oliver_W]

Boris helping us single people out :clap1:

Not Our Nessa waiting to trawl Tinder for dates :hehe:

[Zizu]

How are singles any less at risk than couples? :/



Especially older isolated couples


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[Vanessa]

Not Our Nessa waiting to trawl Tinder for dates :hehe:

Nah, there's someone at work that I like :hugesmile:

[Oliver_W]

Nah, there's someone at work that I like :hugesmile:

Have you been practicing your chatup lines?!

"Nice shirt, it'd look better on my floor!"

"Nice ceiling, it'd be better with my footprints on!"

[Vanessa]

:joker:Have you been practicing your chatup lines?!

"Nice shirt, it'd look better on my floor!"

"Nice ceiling, it'd be better with my footprints on!"

[arista]

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[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

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He literally looks like the guy that played satan in being human

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[Zizu]

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Grandparent


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[Beso]

He literally looks like the guy that played satan in being human

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/d/df/Being-human-uk-captain-hatch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191224011719

Looks absolutely nothing like him...apart from blonde hair..

Try that with 2 black fellas see how it goes In here for you.

[caprimint]

Try that with 2 black fellas see how it goes In here for you.
OMG :skull: The truth in this though

[Cherie]

He literally looks like the guy that played satan in being human

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/d/df/Being-human-uk-captain-hatch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191224011719

Don’t see it myself

[Nicky91]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-masks-study/widespread-mask-wearing-could-prevent-covid-19-second-waves-study-idUSKBN23G37V

Widespread mask wearing could prevent covid-19 second waves study


Population-wide face mask use could push COVID-19 transmission down to controllable levels for national epidemics, and could prevent further waves of the pandemic disease when combined with lockdowns

[arista]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-masks-study/widespread-mask-wearing-could-prevent-covid-19-second-waves-study-idUSKBN23G37V

Widespread mask wearing could prevent covid-19 second waves study


Yes on Monday anyone using the UK transport
must have a face covering.

[Nicky91]

a useful subject regarding the current ''covidsociety'' what we're in now, and now we are into the Summer, that people might still want some form of holiday travel, could this still be possible for people in Britain?

has this been discussed on tv or radio in UK?


here in my country, we got a travel advice show (now even more important than ever of course, what the risks are with holidays, when you can and cannot get refunded if cancelling your holiday bc of the covid-19 risks or worries)

[Zizu]

Looks absolutely nothing like him...apart from blonde hair..



Try that with 2 black fellas see how it goes In here for you.



Genius :)


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[Zizu]

Yes on Monday anyone using the UK transport

must have a face covering.


Ip , dip , dash ....

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[arista]

"has this been discussed on tv or radio in UK?"


Yes alot Nicky.

[arista]

Yes the Lady's nickers
a good one

[user104658]

Try that with 2 black fellas see how it goes In here for you.

He'll need at least 5.

[Nicky91]

update from New York, governor Cuomo

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[Crimson Dynamo]

He is a dick

[arista]

Matt Hancock is Live at 5PM
10 Downing St. briefing.

[arista]

USA has reached 2 million infected with Covid-19
this right after the protests and riots
with so many so close to each other.


Current USA Death Total this hour
is 113,038

[The Slim Reaper]

USA has reached 2 million infected with Covid-19
this right after the protests and riots
with so many so close to each other.

It's a month from when they eased lockdown regs.

[arista]

It's a month from when they eased lockdown regs.

Sure but 2mts distance

In the Riots and Protests
loads were close to each other

[The Slim Reaper]

Sure but 2mts distance

In the Riots and Protests
loads were close to each other

Timings link in with regs easing more than riots, although we will definitely see a spike from that too.

When are we playing ps4 together?

[Nicky91]

no more daily deaths, hospitalisation info from Netherlands, RIVM now

yesterday was last day they did that

[arista]

Live 10 Downing St. Briefing


151 Dead


Total Deaths : 41,279

[arista]

Timings link in with regs easing more than riots, although we will definitely see a spike from that too.

When are we playing ps4 together?

Never
I do not have time.

Do not ask again , please

[The Slim Reaper]

Never
I do not have time.

Do not ask again , please

:joker:

Ok dude, np.

[Oliver_W]

Live 10 Downing St. Briefing


151 Dead


Total Deaths : 41,279

151 is "good", that's lower than a few weeks back at least.

[Cherie]

no more daily deaths, hospitalisation info from Netherlands, RIVM now

yesterday was last day they did that

oh

[Cherie]

Never
I do not have time.

Do not ask again , please

drag him Arista, you have no time for such nonsense

[Aaliyah]

Never
I do not have time.

Do not ask again , please

the do not ask me again please is so unnecessary like chill you ain't the Queen sis!

[arista]

151 is "good", that's lower than a few weeks back at least.


Sure.

[Zizu]

no more daily deaths, hospitalisation info from Netherlands, RIVM now

yesterday was last day they did that



Nice


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[Strictly Jake]

Anyone a bit more tempted to break the rules than they have previously. Like me have you just had enough??

My 15 year old niece came for a visit today for the day in the garden but it was freezing and cold and I just thought sack it and let her come in the house

Im also thinking next time my mum and dad come to visit im gonna let them hold the baby for like 20 seconds each or something...

Everyone else is doing worse

[Zizu]

Anyone a bit more tempted to break the rules than they have previously. Like me have you just had enough??

My 15 year old niece came for a visit today for the day in the garden but it was freezing and cold and I just thought sack it and let her come in the house

Im also thinking next time my mum and dad come to visit im gonna let them hold the baby for like 20 seconds each or something...

Everyone else is doing worse



It’s kinda odd isn’t it .. over the last few days .. coincidentally since we’ve seen all those thousands of protesters crammed into small areas ( 20,000 in Manchester apparently) it’s almost as though a switch has been flicked .. we are seeing more people and traffic and people just don’t seem too bothered about the two metre distance.. there’s still the ones driving past in cars ( alone) still wearing masks and cyclists wearing masks though.

I guess we will know more in a few weeks when things may be a lot better or could be horrendously bad ..

I’m more worried about the protesters/ riots spreading across the country and turning into riots and looting like a few years ago . All these statues being pulled down or vandalised could easily trigger mass unrest .

My next door neighbour is convinced that the uk is a powder-keg just waiting for a spark or two


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[Cherie]

Anyone a bit more tempted to break the rules than they have previously. Like me have you just had enough??

My 15 year old niece came for a visit today for the day in the garden but it was freezing and cold and I just thought sack it and let her come in the house

Im also thinking next time my mum and dad come to visit im gonna let them hold the baby for like 20 seconds each or something...

Everyone else is doing worse

You got to risk assess your own situation at this stage

[arista]

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[MTVN]

Never seen the Mail and the Express so out of sync before

[Liam-]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Perfectly normal behaviour.

[arista]

The R rate has increased from 0.7 to
0.8-1 In England

SkyNewsHD Live

[Oliver_W]

With recent events ~ the protests and Cummings inspired jaunts ~ a bit of rise was basically guaranteed.

[Marsh.]

Never
I do not have time.

Do not ask again , please

:joker::joker::joker:

[arista]

Live 5PM
10 Downing St. Briefing
Grant Shapps


202 have Died


41,481 Total Covid-19 deaths for UK.

[arista]

Sadly USA
Covid-19 deaths have reached
114,195

[user104658]

202 have Died


41,481 Total Covid-19 deaths for UK.

3 in Scotland, y'all're ****ed we're closing the border :fist:

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[arista]

114,669 USA deaths
41,828 Brazil deaths
41,566 United Kingdom deaths
34,223 Italy deaths
29,377 France deaths
27,136 Spain deaths
16,448 Mexico deaths
9,646 Belgium deaths
8,783 Germany deaths
8,659 Iran deaths


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html


So now Brazil is number 2.

[Liam-]

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[joeysteele]

114,669 USA deaths
41,828 Brazil deaths
41,566 United Kingdom deaths
34,223 Italy deaths
29,377 France deaths
27,136 Spain deaths
16,448 Mexico deaths
9,646 Belgium deaths
8,783 Germany deaths
8,659 Iran deaths


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html


So now Brazil is number 2.

Just to quantify this.

The USA has almost 5 times our population.
Brazil has almost 3 times our population.

For the UK to be sitting there despite the forewarnings of what was happening in Italy from January.
Is really depressing.

The tragedy of this is the loss of lives.
So many Worldwide.
With the devastation that leaves too for families, friends and neighbours of those lost loved ones lives.

[Strictly Jake]

Just a theory but reading between the lines

In other countries like Pakistan, they are having to turn people away from hospital its currently 3 patients to a bed

So is the quarantine rule in place for this reason, is it possible people could fly over for a place at a hospital when they actually have the virus

But its been labelled as quarantine to not seem controversial or racist perhaps

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/ministers-have-no-plans-to-impose-passenger-limits-on-planes-rtl-sources/

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/confusion-about-social-distancing-on-planes-how-safe-is-air-travel/

this is more a ongoing discussion at the moment in my country, how safe it is in planes, and also how can you social distance while still wanting to safely travel on holidays

also is looked into what they can do differently about ventilation on planes, to make that safer, adapted to the corona regulations

[Strictly Jake]

Are we all in the same mindset that actually it isnt safe as they are making out to ease the lockdown , they are just worried about the economy and they would rather sacrifice people lives, maybe even those we love, in order to keep material things?!

[Oliver_W]

Are we all in the same mindset that actually it isnt safe as they are making out to ease the lockdown , they are just worried about the economy and they would rather sacrifice people lives, maybe even those we love, in order to keep material things?!

Pretty much.

[bots]

Are we all in the same mindset that actually it isnt safe as they are making out to ease the lockdown , they are just worried about the economy and they would rather sacrifice people lives, maybe even those we love, in order to keep material things?!

no-one has said it is safe, people will continue to get the virus until there is herd immunity or a vaccine. All that the lockdown and social distancing do is reduce the strain on the NHS, no-one from the government has ever suggested anything else. I don't know where people got the idea it would be safe after the lockdown

[Liam-]

Are we all in the same mindset that actually it isnt safe as they are making out to ease the lockdown , they are just worried about the economy and they would rather sacrifice people lives, maybe even those we love, in order to keep material things?!

Completely, it’s the Tory way, economy and money over people

[Cherie]

Are we all in the same mindset that actually it isnt safe as they are making out to ease the lockdown , they are just worried about the economy and they would rather sacrifice people lives, maybe even those we love, in order to keep material things?!

Where do you think the virus is going Jake? its not going to disappear off the face of the earth unless we are very lucky, its up to individuals now to risk assess themselves and take as many precautions as they can, there is no magic wand...

[joeysteele]

Are we all in the same mindset that actually it isnt safe as they are making out to ease the lockdown , they are just worried about the economy and they would rather sacrifice people lives, maybe even those we love, in order to keep material things?!


Pretty much I am of that thinking.

The first duty of any government or health officialdom in this pandemic, is to ensure the protection of, safety of and also ensure no risks whatsoever are in place to all the Nation's citizens.

I fear the economics are taken over.
On the evening of March 23rd the PM put the Nation on a 12 week lockdown.
Then started to ease things way before that 12 weeks are up.
In fact they aren't up until Tuesday.

Of course ways have to be looked at, to try to get as much of the economy moving again.
However not recklessly.
Which sadly, I think is what's happening now.

With so much being eased and too soon.
The cracks are even now showing from the so called scientific advice Ministers claim to have been following all through.
Until now.

Weeks ago, the first number of the R number was at 0.5.
It is now believed to be between 0.7 to 0.8.
The higher one between 0.9 to in some areas 1.1.

That is a negative sign and not one to instil confidence to relax across the board, even moderately.

There's been enough, in my view, of sacrificing of loved ones lives in the debacle of the 'care homes' crisis in this.
Without risking more lives generally now.

[arista]

[Coronavirus R rate may have risen above 1 in parts of England,
Govt admits]

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[Cherie]

Parts of Beijing locked down due to a cluster of new cases after 50 covid free days

[arista]

Parts of Beijing locked down due to a cluster of new cases after 50 covid free days


Yes was on every news
Shame so many of
their numbers of deaths, remain hidden

[user104658]

Are we all in the same mindset that actually it isnt safe as they are making out to ease the lockdown , they are just worried about the economy and they would rather sacrifice people lives, maybe even those we love, in order to keep material things?!

"To keep material things" seems like a bit of an over-simplification. If the economy collapses, millions of people will die.

[arista]

181 Deaths

UK Total Covid-19 Deaths is 41,662


USA Deaths has reached 115,036

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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/dutch-sign-up-to-oxford-universitys-covid-19-vaccine/

countries like Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany have signed a deal to buy up to 400 million doses of a potential anti-coronavirus vaccine from drugs firm AstraZeneca

what our health minister Hugo De Jonge confirmed on saturday

‘Today’s move is extremely important… until we have a vaccine, the virus can always flare up again,’ he said. ‘We are therefore betting on more than one horse, because you don’t know in advance which one will win.’


vaccine is being developed at Oxford University


meanwhile covid-19 new death numbers of yesterday here in Netherlands: 4 new deaths so it remains into low numbers for quite some days in a row now

[arista]

SkyNewsHD Ridge has started with a Labour MP (Nick Thomas-Symonds)
Rishi Sunak is on her show
and also on BBC1HD Marr. Starting at 9AM

That Labour MP was asked
why their MP's went on one knee
if you go on the BLM website
it has a link to Defund the Police,

That Labour MP does not want to Defund the Police

[Lewismacfarlane]

I'm going down to my sisters today to spend the day with my wee niece

[arista]

I'm going down to my sisters today to spend the day with my wee niece



Thats nice to hear.

[Cherie]

A young woman was raped; a man died from a 'drug overdose'; three people were stabbed; and police were attacked as up to 6,000 people attended illegal raves in Greater Manchester on Saturday night.
Police and politicians have condemnded the events, which were 'clearly a breach of coronavirus legislation and guidelines and have had tragic consequences'.
Police say around 4,000 people gathered in Droylsden before spilling into Daisy Nook Country Park in Oldham.
Around 2,000 people attended an event in Carrington, Trafford.
In a lengthy statement, Greater Manchester Police said:
Illegal raves took place in Carrington and Droylsden - they both breached coronavirus legislation
Around 4,000 people attended the Droyslden rave
Around 2,000 people attended the Carrington rave
A 20-year-old man who attended the Droylsden rave died following a ‘suspected drug overdose’
There were three separate stabbings - one left a man, 18, with ‘life-threatening injuries’; while two men 25 and 26 were hurt
An 18-year-old woman who attended the Carrington event was raped

updated to include new information

[AnnieK]

A 20-year-old man has died of a suspected drug overdose and three others were stabbed, as thousands attended two raves in Manchester on Saturday night.
The man had attended a gathering of around 4,000 in Droylsden, according to Greater Manchester Police.
Nearby in Carrington there were reports of three separate stabbings at another 2,000-strong party, including one which left an 18-year-old man with life-threatening injuries.
Two other men, aged 25 and 26, were also injured

:bored:

Was just coming on to post this.

A friend of mine lives in Carrington near where one of the raves happened and she said there were so many people streaming down the road it was unbelievable....no masks in sight. Our R rate was already high so I reckon Manchester may be the first local lockdown after this :mad:

A girl was also raped too....:sad:

[Cherie]

Was just coming on to post this.

A friend of mine lives in Carrington near where one of the raves happened and she said there were so many people streaming down the road it was unbelievable....no masks in sight. Our R rate was already high so I reckon Manchester may be the first local lockdown after this :mad:

A girl was also raped too....:sad:

omg poor thing

on the plus side are you able to see your Dad now?

[AnnieK]

omg poor thing

on the plus side are you able to see your Dad now?

Yay....we are allowed to social distance visit but as he had a shielding letter we still can't go in the house or stay over until the end of june (he is a stickler for the rules too) but good to see him

[Zizu]

Was just coming on to post this.

A friend of mine lives in Carrington near where one of the raves happened and she said there were so many people streaming down the road it was unbelievable....no masks in sight. Our R rate was already high so I reckon Manchester may be the first local lockdown after this :mad:

A girl was also raped too....:sad:



Yeah we’re in Gtr Manchester as well ..

What with the rioting/protesters and the raves I can’t see how the R rate will not rise even higher over the coming weeks


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[Zizu]

Teachers are struggling with the constant government changes in advice and regulations
:::::


Ashley Parry is headteacher of two small primary schools in High Peak, Derbyshire: Thornsett, which has 85 pupils, and New Town, with 73. “Probably the most difficult thing throughout this has been the constant guidance changes,” he said. “I sent a newsletter out to parents at the end of last month and at that point there had been 150 guidance changes. I think it’s 180-something now. It’s just constant.”


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[arista]

Covid 19 Worldwide Deaths
at over 50 mark
nations


USA :122,550
Brazil:54,971
UK :43,314
Italy:34,678
France :29,755
Spain:29,330
Mexico:24,324
India:14,894
Iran: 10,130
Belgium:9,726
Germany :8,940
Peru:8,761
Russia:8,594
Canada:8,556
Netherlands: 6,119
Sweden :5,230
Turkey:5,046
Chile:4,903
China: 4,641
Ecuador:4,343
Pakistan:3,903
Indonesia:2,620
Colombia:2,611
Egypt:2,533
South Africa:2,292
Switzerland:1,958
Ireland:1,727
Bangladesh :1,621
Romania:1,565
Colombia:1,623
Portugal:1,549
Romania:1,565
Iraq:1,437
Saudi Arabia:1,428
Poland:1,412
Philippines :1,212
Argentina:1,124
Ukraine:1,078
Japan :971
Algeria:878
Bolivia:876
Austria:698
Dominican Republic:698
Afghanistan:675
Denmark:603
Guatemala:601
Hungary:577
Sudan:548
Panama:547
Nigeria :542
Moldova:502
Honduras:417
Armenia:397
Belarus: 367
Czechia:345
Kuwait:339
Finland:327
Cameroon:313
Israel :309
United Arab Emirates:308
Yemen:288
South Korea:282
North Macedonia:265
Serbia:264
Norway:249
Morocco:217
Bulgaria:211
Greece:191
Azerbaijan:180
Bosnia: 175
Oman:144
Congo (DRC):142
Kazakhstan:140
Kenya : 132
El Salvador:126
Malaysia :121
Mauritania:116
Mali:113
Luxembourg:110
Slovenia:109
Croatia:107
Qatar:106
Australia:104
Ghana :95
Senegal:94
Haiti:92
Somalia:90
Cuba:85
Ethiopia:81
Lithuania:78
Chad:74
Nicaragua:74
Bahrain:71
Estonia:69
Niger:67
Thailand :58
Cote d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast):58
Sierra Leone:55
Burkina Faso:53
Andorra:52
Djibouti:52
Tajikistan:52
Tunisia:50


Professional Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

USA update from CNN HD


A older one is on page 1.

[arista]

Dept of Health says 36 have died

UK total is 41,698 Covid-19 Deaths.

[MTVN]

Only 36 deaths today :clap1: the virus is well in retreat

[arista]

Only 36 deaths today :clap1: the virus is well in retreat

We will find out tomorrow

[MTVN]

First round back in the pubs on arista

[zenon]

Only 36 deaths today :clap1: the virus is well in retreat

But 36 people have still died, have some respect for their loved ones.

[Marsh.]

But 36 people have still died, have some respect for their loved ones.

He's celebrating the fact the deaths are significantly dropping, which is a very good thing, don't be obtuse.

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[arista]

Great in London some outside stations are giving free masks out.
Today is the first day in England
that if you use public transport of any kind
you must have a Mask on.

[Zizu]

The R rate is supposedly above 1 in Liverpool yet Knowsley Safari park reopens today and supposedly they are expecting 35,000 guests today !!


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[Cherie]

The R rate is supposedly above 1 in Liverpool yet Knowsley Safari park reopens today and supposedly they are expecting 35,000 guests today !!


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Its one of the safest environments to be in and they will be able to social distance so not sure what the issue would be with that?

[arista]

The R rate is supposedly above 1 in Liverpool yet Knowsley Safari park reopens today and supposedly they are expecting 35,000 guests today !!


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Yes in some zones
it has gone above 1 on the R rate.

That 35,000 is over many days.


The Problem is the Government
are not accepting it.........................

[Cherie]

Yes in some zones
it has gone above 1 on the R rate.

That 35,000 is over many days.


The Problem is the Government
are not accepting it.........................

and they will have marshalls etc like supermarkets ensuring they are distancing in the queue going in, its not like its an illegal rave or anything :idc:

[arista]

The Sept. Great North Run
has been cancelled.

makes sense.

LBC.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/dutch-publish-list-of-safe-holiday-destinations-britain-and-sweden-remain-on-amber-list/

Dutch Publish list of safe holiday destinations for us this summer, 16 countries in europe got green light

Britain and Sweden remain on Amber List, meaning you can't travel there

code yellow are: Germany, Italy, Portugal, Croatia meaning safe to visit but you need to stick to coronaregulations in the specific country

Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Ireland among the countries who will go from amber to yellow from July 1st

Denmark is on amber list, because it has not been said yet if dutch tourists will be admitted there, and officials are still advising against travel outside the EU


Islands
Hans Mosselman, who runs small holiday firm SolFly, told the paper that the sector itself should be more active. ‘There is less likelihood of catching coronavirus in tourist destinations round the Mediteranean, such as the Greek, Spanish and Italian islands and Portugal, than in the Netherlands,’ Mosselman said.


school holidays here are expected to start at end of June, in Northern region

[Oliver_W]

The Sept. Great North Run
has been cancelled.

makes sense.

LBC.

This really is the lost year innit ...

I wouldn't even have gone to it :joker: but still.

Write off 2020 mark one, postpone 2021 until 2022!

[MTVN]

Distancing measures not being enforced very well at the Nike store :unsure:

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[Oliver_W]

Don't they realise the looting was last week?

[Zizu]

Its one of the safest environments to be in and they will be able to social distance so not sure what the issue would be with that?



35,000 families landing in Merseyside maybe ... using local amenities.. petrol
stations , maybe picnics in the surrounding parks afterwards ?


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[Zizu]

and they will have marshalls etc like supermarkets ensuring they are distancing in the queue going in, its not like its an illegal rave or anything :idc:


It’s before they go in and after they leave the park I was wondering about...


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[user104658]

No one can be that desperate for a new pair of trainers... surely...?

That said, we did take the kids for a Happy Meal the first day McD's opened back up, and queued for over an hour looping round a car park.

The nuggets weren't even fresh :hmph:.

[AnnieK]

The queue outside Primark in Manchester this morning was miles long at 8am apparently.

[arista]

Travis Perkins to close smaller branches
165 of them.
And to cut 2,500 jobs in the UK
due to Covid-19.

SkyNewsHD Live report

[Cherie]

No one can be that desperate for a new pair of trainers... surely...?

That said, we did take the kids for a Happy Meal the first day McD's opened back up, and queued for over an hour looping round a car park.

The nuggets weren't even fresh :hmph:.

The queues around Nike/Sports Direct are supposed to be immense,

don't underestimate how much of a consumer society we are :hehe:

both those stores are online, can really only understand people queuing up for Primark which has no online presence..

[bots]

i'm staying within my bubble until i see how it all pans out. If people are happy to go out and ignore social distancing, good luck to them and their families

[user104658]

The queue outside Primark in Manchester this morning was miles long at 8am apparently.

Primark! :umm2:

I guess it's just the novelty of getting out shopping? I bought 90% of non-food-stuff online before lockdown anyway so I don't really get the appeal!

[user104658]

both those stores are online, can really only understand people queuing up for Primark which has no online presence..

"I've been waiting MONTHS to buy a sh*tty t-shirt made in a Chinese sweat shop that will shrink/fade/both the first time I wash it. Hooray!"

[Cherie]

i'm staying within my bubble until i see how it all pans out. If people are happy to go out and ignore social distancing, good luck to them and their families

same, we are not going anywhere so don't particularly need anything..

[AnnieK]

Primark! :umm2:

I guess it's just the novelty of getting out shopping? I bought 90% of non-food-stuff online before lockdown anyway so I don't really get the appeal!

I know :laugh: Madness....

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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ah meh why bother, these are all twats that are off school I would imagine

[arista]

Live 10 Downing St. Briefing around 5PM
Dominic Raab MP

[arista]

Live now

Raab is on his own


38 Dead.

UK Covid-19 Total : 41,736

[Beso]

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Ah, you had posted about it already.

How desperate can you get for some trainers that you would put yourself in that situation of possibly killing them, or one of their family in a couple of weeks with covid..All so you can now probably have to sit at home for another 6 weeks looking at a box.

[Vanessa]

I don't like long queues, so I'll wait until the shops are more quiet.
This is the lowest number of deaths so far, so things are getting better.

[Zizu]

I don't like long queues, so I'll wait until the shops are more quiet.

This is the lowest number of deaths so far, so things are getting better.



Sat ,Sun and Monday figures are always low ... thankfully though the overall figures ( if genuine) are looking promising- generally speaking .

That said it may look different in a week or two after two weekends of protests, kids returning to school , more shops reopening , more people returning to work .. but we won’t know what the cause was .

I recall a professor saying last week that if the infection rate went suddenly through the roof then the government wouldn’t have a clue what the reason was for the upsurge. He said when you experiment you only change ONE variable


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[Nicky91]

Sat ,Sun and Monday figures are always low ... thankfully though the overall figures ( if genuine) are looking promising- generally speaking .

That said it may look different in a week or two after two weekends of protests, kids returning to school , more shops reopening , more people returning to work .. but we won’t know what the cause was .

I recall a professor saying last week that if the infection rate went suddenly through the roof then the government wouldn’t have a clue what the reason was for the upsurge. He said when you experiment you only change ONE variable


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that is correct, and usually you see some other from weekend added along with Tuesday's numbers

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Sadly millions of teenagers do very little or the bare minimum work in schools at the best of times so if shouldn’t be a surprise to learn they’re not doing too much whilst at home ... imagine all the distractions at home ... what’s the longest time YOU put your phone down without checking something ;)


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Live Radio 5 Business

In China, a 2nd wave of Covid-19
over 100 cases.
Lockdown in some places.

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[arista]

2 Women from UK
have brought Covid-19
in New Zealand, again

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/new-zealand-records-first-new-covid-19-cases-after-women-arrive-from-uk-carrying-virus

[MTVN]

We are gonna be global pariahs for months :worry:

[joeysteele]

Sat ,Sun and Monday figures are always low ... thankfully though the overall figures ( if genuine) are looking promising- generally speaking .

That said it may look different in a week or two after two weekends of protests, kids returning to school , more shops reopening , more people returning to work .. but we won’t know what the cause was .

I recall a professor saying last week that if the infection rate went suddenly through the roof then the government wouldn’t have a clue what the reason was for the upsurge. He said when you experiment you only change ONE variable


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Absolutely right.

I get so irritated when the crowing is from Ministers, ''deaths are falling''.

It's rising deaths that are falling.
Every death, leaves a family, friends and neighbours grieving the loss of any loved one before their time.

As you point out, let's see 2 or 3 weeks what is happening then.

I'd hope for success of course.
Something we haven't had at all in my view really.
Borne out by our horrific death toll.

Your last paragraph, spot on too.

[Niamh.]

We are gonna be global pariahs for months :worry:I was feeling sorry for them because of the circumstances until 1 of them said "in hindsight I had symptoms "

[Cherie]

We are gonna be global pariahs for months :worry:

I don't understand why they weren't tested before they were allowed to leave, I suppose the death of the family member was imminent and there wasn't time

did they really drive for 8 hours without a break...

[bots]

this is the exact reason why we have a quarantine period on entering the country, temperature checks are just not good enough. Of course industry is saying we cant operate with quarantine and we can't operate with social distancing, so what do the government do ... they are damned either way.

The government have made a lot of mistakes, sure ... but i'm not sure that there is a solution. The only thing they can do is give things a try and see if hospital admissions are affected. People are going to keep getting covid, people are going to continue to die, no matter what approach is taken until we get effective treatment and or a vaccine .... my bet is on effective treatment, but will it be here before another winter? I doubt it, and there won't be another lock down

[user104658]

2 Women from UK
have brought Covid-19
in New Zealand, again

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/new-zealand-records-first-new-covid-19-cases-after-women-arrive-from-uk-carrying-virus

We are gonna be global pariahs for months :worry:

It's a global pandemic and their borders are not closed. This is an inevitability... it's not possible for a country to be Covid-free... it probably never will be, any more than it's possible for a country to be truly measles-free ("measles free status" does not mean zero cases).

[Nicky91]

the good old negativity in here :(


i have some more positive news, from Vietnam only 11 cases left there (still no deaths)

the last local case can breathe on his own now, no need for ventilator anymore

whom recovered from something called a ''cytokine storm'' which makes his immune system overreact to the virus, almost fully had destroyed his lungs, there was a short time when only 10% of it was functional

so another miracle recovery there

[user104658]

the good old negativity in here :(


i have some more positive news, from Vietnam only 11 cases left there (still no deaths)

the last local case can breathe on his own now, no need for ventilator anymore

whom recovered from something called a ''cytokine storm'' which makes his immune system overreact to the virus, almost fully had destroyed his lungs, there was a short time when only 10% of it was functional

so another miracle recovery there

Cytokine storm is the usual cause of death when young, healthy people die (of any common virus). The short explanation is, some inflammation is a normal immune response, cytokine storm is a sort of "chain reaction" of systemic inflammation that ends up causing more damage, which causes more inflammation, which causes more damage... etc.

TS lesson of the day :hee:.

[MTVN]

It's a global pandemic and their borders are not closed. This is an inevitability... it's not possible for a country to be Covid-free... it probably never will be, any more than it's possible for a country to be truly measles-free ("measles free status" does not mean zero cases).

NZ's borders are effectively closed, you can only enter the country with special permission like these two had because of a relative dying. Agree there will inevitably be new cases but with the right measures they can probably keep that number very low in a country like that

[arista]

Yes the Big error
in NZ was letting these 2 women out
out of quarantine early

[user104658]

NZ's borders are effectively closed, you can only enter the country with special permission like these two had because of a relative dying. Agree there will inevitably be new cases but with the right measures they can probably keep that number very low in a country like that

Well yes that (in theory) is what the track & trace programmes are for. But the idea that it'll "never sneak in" when there are, most likely, hundreds of millions infected globally at this point... is unrealistic. I mean we're still trying to figure out how to keep the disease-riddled English out of Scotland.

[Cherie]

Well yes that (in theory) is what the track & trace programmes are for. But the idea that it'll "never sneak in" when there are, most likely, hundreds of millions infected globally at this point... is unrealistic. I mean we're still trying to figure out how to keep the disease-riddled English out of Scotland.

We will build a wall and you can pay for it :amazed:

I should qualify that by saying the English, so no wall building for me :smug:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/16/09/article-8425045-29663180-61_964x543.jpg

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/16/09/article-8425045-29663180-61_964x543.jpg

UK virus :facepalm: lets see if there is outrage over this given we can't say Chinese virus :hee:

[Tom4784]

Our local shopping centre had queues all the way up the road for Primark yesterday, no social distancing, nothing...

If other shopping centres and high streets were like that yesterday then we'll see a spike in cases before long. People are ****ing dumb.

[Zizu]

UK virus :facepalm: lets see if there is outrage over this given we can't say Chinese virus :hee:



Well China still ‘owns’ it ... surely ?


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[Tom4784]

UK virus :facepalm: lets see if there is outrage over this given we can't say Chinese virus :hee:

'Chinese virus' has racial implications in a time where racial aggression towards all asian people are at a high. 'UK virus' doesn't have the same connotations.

Calling the Coronavirus the 'Chinese virus' will only hurt asian people living their lives. The people who are likely to blame Covid on race are just simply less likely to blame UK people in the same way because, unless they speak, you can't tell. Plus a lot of these bigots will assume that the UK is a white country so they would be less likely to feel the need to lash out.

[Zizu]

Our local shopping centre had queues all the way up the road for Primark yesterday, no social distancing, nothing...

If other shopping centres and high streets were like that yesterday then we'll see a spike in cases before long. People are ****ing dumb.



In Gtr Manchester where our R rate is already above 1 - we saw the shoppers shoulder to shoulder yesterday and that’s after two weekends of protests/ riots where well over 30,000 attended plus raves this weekend where over 6,000 attended ... including the rape of a young woman , one drug overdose and three stabbings ..


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[Cherie]

In Gtr Manchester where our R rate is already above 1 - we saw the shoppers shoulder to shoulder yesterday and that’s after two weekends of protests/ riots where well over 30,000 attended plus raves this weekend where over 6,000 attended ... including the rape of a young woman , one drug overdose and three stabbings ..


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oh well, you can't help some folk, you gotta take your own precautions, I am sure the media will find someway to blame it on primary school bubbles with 6 kids though!

[Cherie]

How did I guess some people would be absolutely fine with calling it the UK virus, it's not the UKs virus its a Global virus, and if NZ let these woman into the country and then out of quarantine early that is on them, they got lax

[Tom4784]

How did I guess some people would be absolutely fine with calling it the UK virus, it's not the UKs virus its a Global virus, and if NZ let these woman into the country and then out of quarantine early that is on them, they got lax

Well I explained the difference between referring to it as the UK virus and the Chinese virus. One leads to the increase of racial aggression and violence and the other does not. It's dumb to refer to it as either country's violence but referring it to the Chinese virus inevitably puts Asian people at risk of morons who think it gives them the right to racially harass others.

There's no point in vaguely acknowledging that I've said something and then completely ignoring what I've actually said.

[Cherie]

British people are immune from attack abroad, who knew?

Can't imagine anyone from Germany being happy with it being called the German virus....only in the UK will it be sucked up and defended lol

[Tom4784]

British people are immune from attack abroad, who knew?

I've already explained this.

https://media.tenor.com/images/3645dfb34608b1006870c24845209baa/tenor.gif

[DouglasS]

Our local shopping centre had queues all the way up the road for Primark yesterday, no social distancing, nothing...

If other shopping centres and high streets were like that yesterday then we'll see a spike in cases before long. People are ****ing dumb.

Yes, these people and the protestors being hand in hand, both causing this pandemic much longer than needed

[Nicky91]

ok today's numbers Netherlands

4 new hospitalisations

5 new dead


and also our IC numbers, we are now at 100 covid patients, so there are more patients with other illnesses at IC now here

[Nicky91]

number of new cases +140

this is more going up still because now more people than before can get tested here in Netherlands

so these numbers are still quite low, when some of the people first thought that to be much higher, the amount of actual infected and that it would instantly go up massively high or something

[Cherie]

Scientists in the UK have discovered a cheap and available treatment for COVID-19 patients.
They have described the use of common steroid drug dexamethasone as a "major breakthrough".
The drug reduced death rates by a third for patients on ventilators, and by a fifth for patients needing oxygen.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/mass-covid-19-testing-identifies-sharp-region-differences/

here's a interesting article about our testing now

1.7% of the population here is/was infected with coronavirus, and also a graphic

https://i.ibb.co/KjTrTML/image.png

in which shows daily testing numbers, from March to June

[arista]

Greggs to open 800 take away only
this Thursday

[arista]

UK virus :facepalm: lets see if there is outrage over this given we can't say Chinese virus :hee:

Because
the 2 infected women came from UK
into NZ

[arista]

The PM is Live at 5PM
doing the briefing.