Coronavirus Outbreak

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Boris is looking healthier than ever these days ....our neighbour says she’s started to really fancy him after the recent weight loss ..


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[arista]

Today 38 deaths


UK Total Covid-19 Deaths : 45,999




Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
846

Number of additional cases on Thursday 30 July 2020]


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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Virus lockdown tightened for separate households meeting indoors in Greater Manchester, east Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

[AnnieK]

Virus lockdown tightened for separate households meeting indoors in Greater Manchester, east Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

Was just coming on to post this....gutted :sad:

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CNN Live
Moscow update


10th of August is now the release date
of the Russian Covid -19 Vaccine

[Zizu]

Great .... UK worst in Europe, England worst in UK and us in Gtr Manchester the worst in England

Looking good for our local schools in September.... not


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[Scarlett.]

It's almost feeling as ominous as it did the week before lockdown in March

[Ammi]

Was just coming on to post this....gutted :sad:

....awww, Annie...I’m so sorry...:hug:...

[AnnieK]

....awww, Annie...I’m so sorry...:hug:...

Its just crazy though.....you can't visit your relatives in their garden....but you can go to the pub!!! How can that even a good idea?

[Ammi]

Its just crazy though.....you can't visit your relatives in their garden....but you can go to the pub!!! How can that even a good idea?

...I know, this has to be the laziest government in history...can they just not be bothered to think it through in their consistency if they have sincerity about protecting...I really feel for you, Annie...:hug:...

[AnnieK]

Thankfully support bubbles can still act as one household....its the one saving grace for me

[Ammi]

...you’ll still get to see your dad...:love:..

[AnnieK]

...you’ll still get to see your dad...:love:..

:love: More isolation would have been awful for him so thankfully yes.

[joeysteele]

Its just crazy though.....you can't visit your relatives in their garden....but you can go to the pub!!! How can that even a good idea?

It's bonkers.
However it must be really annoying for you too.

This is the whole issue of inconsistencies in advice.

I guess in people's gardens, no money is landing to the treasury.
Whereas in pubs it is.

They are looking at other areas too..
Apparently the South East and South West has issues and is also being watched.

We've had Leicester in the Midlands, now your area and beyond to West Yorkshire.


I watched both Matt Hancock and Andy Burnham on TV just before.
With already a contradiction of the advice it seems.

I hope you are okay Annie, please keep safe.
It is really worrying.

I do accept this is a nightmare for any in power to deal with.
However, I do think the relaxation has been done too quickly.

I mean these re introduced measures in your area in place again now..
Is in response to increases of infection rates.
This shows how quickly it can happen.

Yet from tomorrow, across the Nation, everyone now who is more clinically and vulnerably at risk from this virus and the elderly who are too..
Are now left without the aid and advice to keep them safer in their homes, IF they want to be I add, in case I get they all want to get out.

There's going out safely and not.
The other thing about the shielding was the elderly were instructed not to have anyone other than who lived with them, in their homes.
More protection gone.


With all this uncertainty still about and I agree with Scarlett, this is starting to have a deja vu about it.
As to how it started to progress before the lockdown.

Please keep safe Annie and I hope you can still get to see some family.
Especially your Dad.
I thankfully brought my Mum to me from Republic of Ireland before lockdown.
I'd have gone crazy not being able to see her and know she was safe.

Thinking of you Annie.

[bots]

they know from contact tracing that friends visiting other families is the biggest contributor to the rise in infections. It's very targeted action, i don't understand what is confusing about it at all. I think the government are being responsible in the action they are taking

[Cherie]

Why are people so selfish...just do as you are asked and stop acting like this is a normal time :shrug:

[Cherie]

Was just coming on to post this....gutted :sad:

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[AnnieK]

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I feel better that social bubbles are ok...I haven't been visiting people's houses anyway, we've met friends outside I was just devastated last night that I thought my dad would be stuck alone again. :love:

[Cherie]

I feel better that social bubbles are ok...I haven't been visiting people's houses anyway, we've met friends outside I was just devastated last night that I thought my dad would be stuck alone again. :love:

That’s great, I know your Dad and you have stuck to the rules, it just sucks that there are selfish people who won’t, we have lived on our close for 12 years and one of the families who have been here for as long had a party last weekend, never known them to have a party at least of that size before, we were like :umm2: why now ...

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[HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE NEW RULES?

Greater Manchester (including City of Manchester, Trafford, Stockport, Oldham, Bury, Wigan, Bolton, Tameside, Rochdale and Salford): 2,835,686

Blackburn with Darwen: 149,696

Burnley: 88,920

Hyndburn: 81,043

Pendle: 92,112

Rossendale: 71,482

Bradford: 539,776

Calderdale: 211,455

Kirklees: 439,787

Total: 4,509,957]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8578133/Matt-Hancock-BANS-households-parts-Manchester-Lancashire-Yorkshire-meeting-indoors.html

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[Jet2 warns Britons to return from Spain early or find their own way ]


[The travel firm is suspending flights
and holidays to Tenerife, Gran Canaria,
Fuerteventura, Lanzarote, Majorca, Menorca
and Ibiza up to and including 9 August.
Flights to mainland Spain had already been
cancelled and the company is operating
empty outbound flights to bring customers
home until 3 August.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jet2-warns-britons-to-return-from-spain-early-or-find-their-own-way-12039492


Sod the 14 days
if you are on that airline
take their planes by their dates
or fund another way home.

[reece(:]

Newcastle is shockingly doing really well with no recorded cases in a week, which I find maaad given the mass gatherings at the park and pubs that I've seen.

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Newcastle is shockingly doing really well with no recorded cases in a week, which I find maaad given the mass gatherings at the park and pubs that I've seen.


It takes a couple of weeks
for Covid-19 to spread,
so that Great City
could change.

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[bots]

Hands, face, space ....

woman, man, camera, tv ......

[MTVN]

Pleased the gov are responding, by nature it's going to be a bit chaotic and short notice because you're trying to react quickly with data that doesn't always give a clear picture. I can see the restrictions on visiting homes going wider because there's no real way to regulate whats happening in people's houses and there's bound to be little social distancing and a lot of opportunities for transmission

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yeah, we have hit a threshold now, and something has to change to bring things back under control, so i think what they are doing is timely and appropriate

[Scarlett.]

...I know, this has to be the laziest government in history...can they just not be bothered to think it through in their consistency if they have sincerity about protecting...I really feel for you, Annie...:hug:...

From what I can tell they can leave the locked down areas and go away on holiday still, and with a sunny day like today...

[bots]

From what I can tell they can leave the locked down areas and go away on holiday still, and with a sunny day like today...

yes, because fundamentally there are no issues with that because social distancing is working in those circumstances, the problem is with people not social distancing when visiting within homes

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Hands, face, space ....



woman, man, camera, tv ......



To be fair his opening gambit was well delivered and hard to argue with ..


I’d larf if they closed all the pubs again ..


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[Scarlett.]

yes, because fundamentally there are no issues with that because social distancing is working in those circumstances, the problem is with people not social distancing when visiting within homes

I hope you're right, for all our sakes

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Yes Hands, Face
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but Space?
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[joeysteele]

Going to people's homes an issue, then he's ending shielding where those shielding have to return to work.
Going back home.
Elderly shielding, the shielding aid stopped so they may need to go out or get new others to assist them.


Hands, face, space.
Honestly he just leaves me feeling more and more concerned.
It's reactive policy still in my view.
Not really any planning.
Except he appears to be reacting a bit quicker.
Although not particularly better overall.

[DouglasS]

The change of rules in Manchester seems odd.

As my gym is still open and I will be attending today, and everything else is. Seems weird to say two households can’t be indoors together in a home, but the gym will have 40+ households indoors together, I’m not complaining though I love the gym.

I am currently living alone so I’m not too fussed

[AnnieK]

Pretty much sums it up.....

[caprimint]

Its just crazy though.....you can't visit your relatives in their garden....but you can go to the pub!!! How can that even a good idea?
Tbh Annie you don't *have* to follow the rules so I wouldn't bother about it too much. The government are making their rules based upon what is best for the economy and that's all, but if you are wanting to go and visit a relative/friend or whoever (and you/they are both comfortable/not worried about catching corona), then just do it. As you said with pubs etc being open it really doesn't matter anyway.

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they know from their tracking where the problems are so they can target them .... its the system working as it should be ... it makes perfect sense to me that people have been having parties at home with multiple families with zero social distancing and shock ... it causes people to be infected.

If people social distance, they wont get the virus ... it's not difficult to understand ... and people who ignore it do so at their family's risk

[Nicky91]

uh Stacey, rules are rules and you have to follow them for your and others health/safety

[The Slim Reaper]

they know from their tracking where the problems are so they can target them .... its the system working as it should be ... it makes perfect sense to me that people have been having parties at home with multiple families with zero social distancing and shock ... it causes people to be infected.

If people social distance, they wont get the virus ... it's not difficult to understand ... and people who ignore it do so at their family's risk

The track and trace system is a failure by any measure.

[caprimint]

uh Stacey, rules are rules and you have to follow them for your and others health/safety
Like I said, if you're bothered by it then don't do it. But realistically, you're not actually more likely to catch it/pass it on to ANYONE by going to someone's house/sat in their garden than if you're in a pub so it really doesn't matter what the "rules" are :skull:

[bots]

The track and trace system is a failure by any measure.

except where it highlights issues that allow action to be taken, which is it's purpose

[Nicky91]

Like I said, if you're bothered by it then don't do it. But realistically, you're not actually more likely to catch it/pass it on to ANYONE by going to someone's house/sat in their garden than if you're in a pub so it really doesn't matter what the "rules" are :skull:

it should not be a choice, people must obey the rules


very simple, we want to protect everyone from catching covid, so stay home

[Oliver_W]

The track and trace system is a failure by any measure.

Aw I don't think it's fair to cal it a failure, I'm sure the people involved tried their hardest!

[The Slim Reaper]

except where it highlights issues that allow action to be taken, which is it's purpose

How did they know it was spreading before it?

[DouglasS]

Like I said, if you're bothered by it then don't do it. But realistically, you're not actually more likely to catch it/pass it on to ANYONE by going to someone's house/sat in their garden than if you're in a pub so it really doesn't matter what the "rules" are :skull:

Exactly.

Also if you’re bothered then just remain hygienic and follow social distancing.

[DouglasS]

it should not be a choice, people must obey the rules


very simple, we want to protect everyone from catching covid, so stay home

The point she’s making is that these rules aren’t going to stop people catching it when like Annie mentioned pubs, gyms, cafes, public gatherings are not against the rules, therefore meeting up with another household is completely insignificant in the widespread of COVID-19 compared to the above

[bots]

Like I said, if you're bothered by it then don't do it. But realistically, you're not actually more likely to catch it/pass it on to ANYONE by going to someone's house/sat in their garden than if you're in a pub so it really doesn't matter what the "rules" are :skull:

it's people ignoring social distancing that is the problem. It's pretty simple. Pubs etc are supposed to have strict rules in place so they should be safe. It's controlled environment vs uncontrolled. Suggesting just to ignore that as it pleases you is irresponsible

[joeysteele]

The track and trace system is a failure by any measure.

It is.
Relying on that is really risky, I think anyway.

There's just not enough of it being done.

[caprimint]

it should not be a choice, people must obey the rules


very simple, we want to protect everyone from catching covid, so stay home
it's people ignoring social distancing that is the problem. It's pretty simple. Pubs etc are supposed to have strict rules in place so they should be safe. It's controlled environment vs uncontrolled. Suggesting just to ignore that as it pleases you is irresponsible
No, I'm suggesting to be logical about it. There's nothing illogical about sat around (in a garden especially) at a distance with a friend. There is far more that's illogical about a crowd full of buses, tubes and trains. But... those things have to be done for the economy which those rules are not based on.

[Nicky91]

No, I'm suggesting to be logical about it. There's nothing illogical about sat around (in a garden especially) at a distance with a friend. There is far more that's illogical about a crowd full of buses, tubes and trains. But... those things have to be done for the economy which those rules are not based on.

yes sitting outside in garden is possible to distance with that

[DouglasS]

No, I'm suggesting to be logical about it. There's nothing illogical about sat around (in a garden especially) at a distance with a friend. There is far more that's illogical about a crowd full of buses, tubes and trains. But... those things have to be done for the economy which those rules are not based on.

Exactly. If everything was closed the economy would be ruined for the next 10+ years. There has to be a compromise.

Essentially just follow social distancing if you’re concerned and remain hygienic.

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[Zizu]

they know from their tracking where the problems are so they can target them .... its the system working as it should be ... it makes perfect sense to me that people have been having parties at home with multiple families with zero social distancing and shock ... it causes people to be infected.



If people social distance, they wont get the virus ... it's not difficult to understand ... and people who ignore it do so at their family's risk



So how can they guarantee that schools are gonna be safe if we can’t visit relatives ?


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[Scarlett.]

I don't trust people to follow this advice

[Do not] socialise with people you do not live with in other indoor public venues – such as pubs, restaurants, cafes, shops, places of worship, community centres, leisure and entertainment venues, or visitor attractions. You may attend these venues with people you live with (or are in a support bubble with), but should avoid interaction with others. If you run such a business, you should take steps to ensure people do not interact with people they do not live with, in line with COVID-19 secure guidance

[Nicky91]

pubs, bars to run with those measures hmmm


certain pubs, bars had closed again in no time here in my province Brabant, Netherlands because they can't work under these covid-19 measures


have any pub, bar owners also complained in UK? about the measures

[UserSince2005]

So is R>1 now. They seem to have stopped talking about R.

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[Cherie]

I don't trust people to follow this advice

that's the issue isn't it? trusting people to do the right thing

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[After 13 years in power,
the SNP have finally managed to erect a new border
between England and Scotland, as Nicola Sturgeon
institutes a travel ban to and from
the north west of England; telling the BBC:
“I am today advising, strongly advising, people in
Scotland to avoid travel to the areas
affected in England… and also to ask people
from these areas from these areas not to travel to Scotland.”]

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TS was last seen at the border with his pitch fork

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TS was last seen at the border with his pitch fork



Now that would make a great photo

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50 People
working in Swindon Distribution plant
tested positive to Covid-19.

An Example report in South Korea
one person with Covid-19
infected over 100 in a wedding party.

[bots]

Now that would make a great photo

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Great Photo
but TS is much younger

[arista]

Today 120 have died

UK Total Covid-19 Death's :46,119


Additional Data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
880

Number of additional cases on Friday 31 July 2020]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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Fewer than half of adults spending time with family and friends are sticking to social distancing rules when they meet up, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) says.

Almost three-quarters of adults polled said they'd socialised with others during the last seven days - with 50% welcoming family or friends into their homes, it said.

Of the 1,150 people who reported socialising, 47% said they had maintained social distancing - rising to 70% of those aged 70 and over.

Three in 10 (31%) said they often followed the measures, 13% said they sometimes did and 8% said they rarely or never followed social distancing.

More than a quarter (26%) of those surveyed said they had met up with between five to 10 people, while 6% said the group had been larger than 10.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said "households gathering and not abiding by the social distancing rules" was one of the reasons for the stricter rules announced late on Thursday for some parts of England.

The ONS also found that 63% of respondents strongly supported targeted lockdown measures to stop the rise of the virus and 57% were in favour of mandatory face coverings in shops and supermarkets.

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[joeysteele]

It's for me one of the greatest contradictions possible, to have to be pausing opening up more activities and freedoms.
Then stopping the protection, yes protection, forget the word shielding for a moment.
Of the vulnerable, sick and elderly.

Obviously there's areas where this protective shielding has to stay in place, they've announced, until mid August.

This is my first criticism of Nicola Sturgeon too.
As she's ended this protection of the sick and elderly too.

That means now, possible prescription deliveries halted, the other aid put in place for those who have no regular help available.
That leaves them having to go out.

The elderly and those with severe health conditions have been the great majority of lives lost to this virus..
Yet these leaders in power have taken away at a stroke, ALL the protective aid, measures and advice to them.

Have they not lost enough sick and elderly yet then.
So throw more out there to be put at risk now.

For me, this is a disgrace.
The new fears now instilled in the sick and elderly as to what's best to do now, in light of help and security removed, is cruel.

There have always been those told to shield, who have still gone out, with less people about.
Now more and more are out, these people have to maybe be put at greater risk after all their weeks and months of being protected.

Then those with health issues, now this shielding is stopped, their condition hasn't changed, nor likely improved, yet they'll now be pressured, if they've work, to return to work.

The government abandoning them.
By virtually almost saying we've changed your instructions and stopped the shielding.
So now you get on with it, you're on your own.
Disgraceful.
It amounts to the same, no matter how it's termed.

The now same rotten attitude there was with all the deaths of the elderly in Care homes.
Sorry, to me it's shocking and dangerous.

[Nicky91]

another stupid move from Netherlands, lame government

no more quarantine for people who come home from holidays in risk countries

[Zizu]

So what’s the deal with the MASKS !?!?

Why are they mandatory NOW and not three months ago ??

Is there a scientific explanation ?


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[AnnieK]

So what’s the deal with the MASKS !?!?

Why are they mandatory NOW and not three months ago ??

Is there a scientific explanation ?


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In my view masks now makes a lot of sense. 3 months ago we were locked down. Shops were letting massively restricted numbers in, social distancing was strictly observed, most shops let just one person at a time, people were not allowed to mix, nothing was open and you were meant to have one hours exercise a day.

Now, shops, bars, restaurants etc are open, people are free to move about more openly so there is much less social distancing so wearing a mask now is.much more important in my opinion.

[bots]

It's for me one of the greatest contradictions possible, to have to be pausing opening up more activities and freedoms.
Then stopping the protection, yes protection, forget the word shielding for a moment.
Of the vulnerable, sick and elderly.

Obviously there's areas where this protective shielding has to stay in place, they've announced, until mid August.

This is my first criticism of Nicola Sturgeon too.
As she's ended this protection of the sick and elderly too.

That means now, possible prescription deliveries halted, the other aid put in place for those who have no regular help available.
That leaves them having to go out.

The elderly and those with severe health conditions have been the great majority of lives lost to this virus..
Yet these leaders in power have taken away at a stroke, ALL the protective aid, measures and advice to them.

Have they not lost enough sick and elderly yet then.
So throw more out there to be put at risk now.

For me, this is a disgrace.
The new fears now instilled in the sick and elderly as to what's best to do now, in light of help and security removed, is cruel.

There have always been those told to shield, who have still gone out, with less people about.
Now more and more are out, these people have to maybe be put at greater risk after all their weeks and months of being protected.

Then those with health issues, now this shielding is stopped, their condition hasn't changed, nor likely improved, yet they'll now be pressured, if they've work, to return to work.

The government abandoning them.
By virtually almost saying we've changed your instructions and stopped the shielding.
So now you get on with it, you're on your own.
Disgraceful.
It amounts to the same, no matter how it's termed.

The now same rotten attitude there was with all the deaths of the elderly in Care homes.
Sorry, to me it's shocking and dangerous.

each and every one of us is responsible for our own protection, that's not up to the government.

They no longer need to shield because the numbers of infected people are at a much lower level than they were in March. They still social distance, and if they do that, they wont catch the virus. Making it mandatory for people to remain isolated for what could be the rest of their lives was never a viable option

[Zizu]

In my view masks now makes a lot of sense. 3 months ago we were locked down. Shops were letting massively restricted numbers in, social distancing was strictly observed, most shops let just one person at a time, people were not allowed to mix, nothing was open and you were meant to have one hours exercise a day.



Now, shops, bars, restaurants etc are open, people are free to move about more openly so there is much less social distancing so wearing a mask now is.much more important in my opinion.



Thanks


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[joeysteele]

each and every one of us is responsible for our own protection, that's not up to the government.

They no longer need to shield because the numbers of infected people are at a much lower level than they were in March. They still social distance, and if they do that, they wont catch the virus. Making it mandatory for people to remain isolated for what could be the rest of their lives was never a viable option



Right.
I have a correspondence from an elderly lady living on her own.
I asked her if I could mention this.
I've taken this up on the phone on her behalf too with her landlord.

She lives alone in a flat.
The Landlord has contacted late last week, stating her servicing of her gas installations will be done in the coming week now the shielding is ended.

She has had no one in her home since January.
Now after all these weeks, she has to open her doors to let these people in.

Her last servicing was done in October last year.

She is panicking, she's going to need to see where they go and what they touch.
How can she social distance in her flat as there'll be 2 at least doing this work.
In and out of cupboards and switches etc:
Doors open too.

You can keep poo pooing all my concerns for the elderly all you like.
The ONS say there are now over 4000 infections daily.
Far more than the government's likely underestimated figures.

That's the ones we know.
You don't know how many there really are just as I don't.

What's your answer to the case I list above.
If she refuses to let them in, she risks a court order for them to get in.

Yet her fears don't matter.
She will not be the only one.

Also please don't insult my intelligence.
In a never known in our lifetime pandemic like this..
With the government the only real source of having as full info as possible as to it.
Don't tell me that power of government should not be used to fully protect those who need to be.

Why didn't they say, those who've been shielding should still have been able to refuse admittance to their safe houses to ensure that continued protection.

Of course the government has a duty to ensure in a pandemic like this, the vulnerable and elderly, most at risk are protected.

So on your reckoning, on just assumptions of infection rates, no one should then possibly wear masks, should go out in groups, just please themselves because the government doesn't have to and shouldn't keep the Country safe.
Leaves me wondering why the government did a lockdown in the first place.
If protection is nothing to do with them.

For crying out loud, honestly.

[Strictly Jake]

Been away for a week. Had my phone off the entire time. So only just catching up

But boris is warning everyone we could face a second lockdown

Yet many of us all said the lockdown was easing far too soon

The general rule was go out and spend spend spend

Now the chaos is all being blamed on us

[Nicky91]

Been away for a week. Had my phone off the entire time. So only just catching up

But boris is warning everyone we could face a second lockdown

Yet many of us all said the lockdown was easing far too soon

The general rule was go out and spend spend spend

Now the chaos is all being blamed on us

tbh good now that lockdown easings have been halted since new cases numbers there with you all in UK are still too high


wish my government would also step things up and dare to put laws/rules out there of face coverings, quarantining properly for people who come home from risk countries after holiday

but no, we don't want to cause we are afraid of more protesting/demonstrations

if **** goes down here a whole lot worse, they do not need to blame it on me or other people, but then it is confirmation my government messed up big time

my mom continues to wear face masks during grocery shopping, also considering wearing gloves now due to nothing being cleaned anymore either in supermarkets here

[Scarlett.]

In my view masks now makes a lot of sense. 3 months ago we were locked down. Shops were letting massively restricted numbers in, social distancing was strictly observed, most shops let just one person at a time, people were not allowed to mix, nothing was open and you were meant to have one hours exercise a day.

Now, shops, bars, restaurants etc are open, people are free to move about more openly so there is much less social distancing so wearing a mask now is.much more important in my opinion.

On top of that, masks were next to impossible to buy

[Nicky91]

what i had read, some things what you can do

- properly ventilate in your home, open windows from time to time

- hang up wet laundry in home to dry, good for high moist levels, which is better in these times than a too dry air in your home



and also i somehow wish no country would accuse another of ''lying about numbers'' if it isn't as worse in those countries as with your own

what Philippines government also has been doing now, accusing those countries who got 0 cases of lying

Philippines currently has another 4.000 new cases today

[MTVN]

I don't want to live in a world where we're told we can't have schools and pubs at the same time :fist:

[user104658]

I don't want to live in a world where we're told we can't have schools and pubs at the same time :fist:Have you heard of CGL?

[user104658]

Close the damn bars and pubs. I get it, I get it, some people can't seem to cope with their lives without alcohol but how on earth that is being prioritised over LITERALLY ANYTHING else, I just cannot fathom.

If there's a limit to how much we can resume normal living before hitting a "cap", and something else could be opened up if we closed the pubs, just grow up and close them ffs.

[MTVN]

There are many things I could say to such sanctimonious snobbery but I will just say that no I'm afraid you don't get it at all

[Cherie]

Been away for a week. Had my phone off the entire time. So only just catching up

But boris is warning everyone we could face a second lockdown

Yet many of us all said the lockdown was easing far too soon

The general rule was go out and spend spend spend

Now the chaos is all being blamed on us

You can go out and spend and be socially distant? It’s the households gathering in numbers indoors that appear to be driving new infections ...

[user104658]

There are many things I could say to such sanctimonious snobbery but I will just say that no I'm afraid you don't get it at allIf you have a valid argument by all means share it, if you want to pretend that you're not sharing a valid argument for "other reasons" like "hmph you are too snobby to be worthy of my counterargument and wouldn't understand anyway" I'm comfortable enough in assuming that you don't actually have one, and are just attempting to justify the prioritisation of "getting a pint with your pals" over risking things like (supposedly) non-essential medical services being suspended again, or kids missing out on another 6 months of vital schooling and socialisation. The former is literally killing people.

Youre right, I don't get it at all.

[AnnieK]

Yeah, I'm sorry but if its a choice between schools.or pubs....school have to open. Kids have to be prioritised at some point, not just educationally but also socially and mentally.

I don't think it will come to that which is why the Gov at ramping up these local lockdowns

[Cherie]

Right.
I have a correspondence from an elderly lady living on her own.
I asked her if I could mention this.
I've taken this up on the phone on her behalf too with her landlord.

She lives alone in a flat.
The Landlord has contacted late last week, stating her servicing of her gas installations will be done in the coming week now the shielding is ended.

She has had no one in her home since January.
Now after all these weeks, she has to open her doors to let these people in.

Her last servicing was done in October last year.

She is panicking, she's going to need to see where they go and what they touch.
How can she social distance in her flat as there'll be 2 at least doing this work.
In and out of cupboards and switches etc:
Doors open too.

You can keep poo pooing all my concerns for the elderly all you like.
The ONS say there are now over 4000 infections daily.
Far more than the government's likely underestimated figures.

That's the ones we know.
You don't know how many there really are just as I don't.

What's your answer to the case I list above.
If she refuses to let them in, she risks a court order for them to get in.

Yet her fears don't matter.
She will not be the only one.

Also please don't insult my intelligence.
In a never known in our lifetime pandemic like this..
With the government the only real source of having as full info as possible as to it.
Don't tell me that power of government should not be used to fully protect those who need to be.

Why didn't they say, those who've been shielding should still have been able to refuse admittance to their safe houses to ensure that continued protection.

Of course the government has a duty to ensure in a pandemic like this, the vulnerable and elderly, most at risk are protected.

So on your reckoning, on just assumptions of infection rates, no one should then possibly wear masks, should go out in groups, just please themselves because the government doesn't have to and shouldn't keep the Country safe.
Leaves me wondering why the government did a lockdown in the first place.
If protection is nothing to do with them.

For crying out loud, honestly.

The Landlord has to by law service the boiler and gas appliances every year, she could ask for a date in October before the current certificate expires maybe, usually it’s just one person who does this, she can be quite strict and ask them to remove shoes, wear a mask and wash their hands on entering, leave the door to room/cupboards where they need access open, usually they just check the gas meter so apart from touching the boiler/ gas appliance and the tap to wash their hands, and as long as she keeps away from him, it should be okay ...better than dying from carbon monoxide poisoning! Also they could leave post it notes on the areas they have touched so she knows where to clean when they have left ...oh and keep the windows open while they are there

[MTVN]

If you have a valid argument by all means share it, if you want to pretend that you're not sharing a valid argument for "other reasons" like "hmph you are too snobby to be worthy of my counterargument and wouldn't understand anyway" I'm comfortable enough in assuming that you don't actually have one, and are just attempting to justify the prioritisation of "getting a pint with your pals" over risking things like (supposedly) non-essential medical services being suspended again, or kids missing out on another 6 months of vital schooling and socialisation. The former is literally killing people.

Youre right, I don't get it at all.

I think your perception of pub goers is completely off from the start and you lack any appreciation for their value to the economy and to their local communities. You see someone going to the pub as a casual alcoholic only worthy of your contempt but different things matter to different people. Pub goers are people supporting their local business, people who want some company, want to meet new people, want to get involved in a team or club that might be based there, want to watch sport they can't see at home, want a break from cooking etc etc For a lot of people the pub is their only source of social interaction. There are any number of reasons to visit a pub and more abuse of alcohol takes place in the home than the pub. I said you don't get it because you've made it clear you never visit pubs and basically only equate them with alcoholism not the myriad of benefits that they bring to their communities

I'm obviously not saying they're more important than schools but they are important and I'm sceptical that we have to go without them in order to open schools

[bots]

I think the health chaps comments yesterday were ill advised and not thought through with regarding closing something else down to enable something else to open up

Pubs and schools are not directly linked and they never have been. The schools may well return and it has zero effect on infection rate.

The crucial aspect is that people social distance, everything else is just noise. If anything has to give it will be the governments relaxation of social distancing rules.

[Cherie]

I think the health chaps comments yesterday were ill advised and not thought through with regarding closing something else down to enable something else to open up

Pubs and schools are not directly linked and they never have been. The schools may well return and it has zero effect on infection rate.

The crucial aspect is that people social distance, everything else is just noise. If anything has to give it will be the governments relaxation of social distancing rules.

People are not sticking to the rules I had a friend ring me last week inviting us to a restaurant, there would have been 5 different households in a group of 10, when I said it was against the guidance she could have cared less!

[Ammi]

...schools and pubs are totally different but they both have a huge value to a community, especially a village/small town community...they’re both on the top of the lists of ‘must haves’ for many people when choosing where they live...schools obviously serve the younger community ...but I would say that pubs have a very high value to the older community because they’re such a part of a hub for social interaction and community activities etc...’information through a local pub’ is invaluable also...

[Ammi]

...but sacrifices and adaptions are being made daily...etc, etc...

[MTVN]

...schools and pubs are totally different but they both have a huge value to a community, especially a village/small town community...they’re both on the top of the lists of ‘must haves’ for many people when choosing where they live...schools obviously serve the younger community ...but I would say that pubs have a very high value to the older community because they’re such a part of a hub for social interaction and community activities etc...’information through a local pub’ is invaluable also...

Yeah so many pubs have closed down over the last few years already and it has a massive impact particularly in small villages where its the only real source of community

[caprimint]

I think your perception of pub goers is completely off from the start and you lack any appreciation for their value to the economy and to their local communities. You see someone going to the pub as a casual alcoholic only worthy of your contempt but different things matter to different people. Pub goers are people supporting their local business, people who want some company, want to meet new people, want to get involved in a team or club that might be based there, want to watch sport they can't see at home, want a break from cooking etc etc For a lot of people the pub is their only source of social interaction. There are any number of reasons to visit a pub and more abuse of alcohol takes place in the home than the pub. I said you don't get it because you've made it clear you never visit pubs and basically only equate them with alcoholism not the myriad of benefits that they bring to their communities

I'm obviously not saying they're more important than schools but they are important and I'm sceptical that we have to go without them in order to open schools
Tbh this so much

[caprimint]

People are not sticking to the rules I had a friend ring me last week inviting us to a restaurant, there would have been 5 different households in a group of 10, when I said it was against the guidance she could have cared less!
Ain't it a group of 6 households is fine though??

I mean in all honesty I do kind of get it... like it doesn't really make a difference if you are mixing with 2 different households or 6... if someone has corona everyone else is still gonna get it

[bots]

Yeah so many pubs have closed down over the last few years already and it has a massive impact particularly in small villages where its the only real source of community

pubs are means for people to interact socially the same as so many other activities, if it's removed then people will just do the same illicitly. They had a lockdown once, it will never be a success if enforced again because people will just ignore it

[caprimint]

Btw it's easier to socially distance in pubs than schools. Imagine actually trying to make kids be socially distant from each other :skull:

Obviously it's important they go back to school, but it's just not realistic to make them keep to the guidelines

[Cherie]

Ain't it a group of 6 households is fine though??

I mean in all honesty I do kind of get it... like it doesn't really make a difference if you are mixing with 2 different households or 6... if someone has corona everyone else is still gonna get it


You can meet up to six individuals outside as long as you are socially distant

Inside the possibility of infection is much higher, the more people you mingle with the higher your chance of getting it yes :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Btw it's easier to socially distance in pubs than schools. Imagine actually trying to make kids be socially distant from each other :skull:

Obviously it's important they go back to school, but it's just not realistic to make them keep to the guidelines

kids don't have to socially distance since this virus doesn't affect them, just the teachers who have to socially distance from them

[bots]

The scottish schools go back first, so we will be able to see what happens there before England opens up .... makes a change :laugh:

[Cherie]

The scottish schools go back first, so we will be able to see what happens there before England opens up .... makes a change :laugh:

Yaasss :laugh:

Although didn’t all Welsh children go back end of June, it’s hard to know as there wasn’t a word about it in the media..

[caprimint]

The scottish schools go back first, so we will be able to see what happens there before England opens up .... makes a change :laugh:
:hehe:

kids don't have to socially distance since this virus doesn't affect them, just the teachers who have to socially distance from them
It doesn't matter whether it affects them personally or not though as they could pass it onto their families... parents who pass it onto their parents who are OAP's and end up dying from it...

You can meet up to six individuals outside as long as you are socially distant

Inside the possibility of infection is much higher, the more people you mingle with the higher your chance of getting it yes :laugh:
Gotcha

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Cherie;10889748]The Landlord has to by law service the boiler and gas appliances every year, she could ask for a date in October before the current certificate expires maybe, usually it’s just one person who does this, she can be quite strict and ask them to remove shoes, wear a mask and wash their hands on entering, leave the door to room/cupboards where they need access open, usually they just check the gas meter so apart from touching the boiler/ gas appliance and the tap to wash their hands, and as long as she keeps away from him, it should be okay ...better than dying from carbon monoxide poisoning! Also they could leave post it notes on the areas they have touched so she knows where to clean when they have left ...oh and keep the windows open while they are there[/QUOTE

They are insisting on doing it now as it suits the Landlord..
Hence why she's looking for assistance.

Her fear is now, after all these weeks, of anyone being in her home.
According to her always 2 people come.

They've changed their rule this year to not doing it just annually but within every 10 months.
She has smoke alarms and a carbon monoxide alarm in the house.
They have wanted to be in, since end of June according to her letters.
Were prevented by her shielding..

She now hasn't that protection.

Now her call last week insisted they need to do it this coming week.
I've suggested on the phone to her, yesterday the things you mentioned today.
Although I didn't think of post it notes.
If they had any that's good thinking.
Thank you for that one.
I'll suggest she asks someone to get her some in case.

This is just one instance of someone being put under undue stress however..

Yes, it's a job that needs doing however, I accept that.

[user104658]

I think your perception of pub goers is completely off from the start and you lack any appreciation for their value to the economy and to their local communities. You see someone going to the pub as a casual alcoholic only worthy of your contempt but different things matter to different people. Pub goers are people supporting their local business, people who want some company, want to meet new people, want to get involved in a team or club that might be based there, want to watch sport they can't see at home, want a break from cooking etc etc For a lot of people the pub is their only source of social interaction. There are any number of reasons to visit a pub and more abuse of alcohol takes place in the home than the pub. I said you don't get it because you've made it clear you never visit pubs and basically only equate them with alcoholism not the myriad of benefits that they bring to their communities



I'm obviously not saying they're more important than schools but they are important and I'm sceptical that we have to go without them in order to open schools

I spent half of my teens and twenties in pubs, I'm not speaking from the perspective of someone who doesn't have a good idea of what pub culture is.

I don't think that everyone who attends pubs is an alcoholic. I do think that anyone who can't handle the idea of going a bit longer without these establishments open - who is "itching for a pint" regardless of whether or not it's sensible - has a problematic mindset that places alcohol of high importance in socialisation.

I think that it is incredibly sad, and a really quite awful red flag in our society, that there are people who have pubs as their "only" source of social interaction.

Do they have a purpose? Sure they're not all negative. But, if there are limits to how much we can reopen, they should be at the very bottom of a very long list and I question the motives of anyone who thinks otherwise as being anything but selfish.

They're not vital to communities they're not vital to the economy. That same argument was used when there were campaigns to reduce smoking/ban smoking advertisement. "Oh but the tax revenue", they said. Excess income spent on alcohol would still be spent, and thus, would still go into the economy. If there aren't other places in the local economy for that money to BE spent, again, that's indicative of horrible flaws in our society.

Tl;Dr I'm not trying to stop you from having your pint forever, I just think pretty much every other aspect of society is more important and I think arguments to the contrary are utter garbage concocted by people who have spent so long spending every Friday night at the pub that they've forgotten, or never knew, how to interact with their friends in other ways. I'm sorry if that hits a nerve, but not sorry enough to stop advocating for the prioritisation of schooling, other social activities, and non-essential medical procedures that are being delayed time and time again whilst people wait in daily pain. If every single person in the country forgoing "the pub" keeps the numbers flat enough for even ONE person to get their urgently needed knee replacement surgery for a condition that has them in pain every day... Then that is more than worth it.

[user104658]

Yeah so many pubs have closed down over the last few years already and it has a massive impact particularly in small villages where its the only real source of communityIt is absolutely tragic that the "only real source" of local community is or was pubs, and everyone being too unimaginative to find ways to engage with their local community that don't involve those activities is so, so much sadder than a pub with closed doors.

Maybe time for a fresh way of looking at things, rather than woefully clinging to a depressing tradition? Just my opinion of course, I understand that some people are reliant on pubs and need to get back urgently for when they don't fancy cooking or want to watch Sky Sports. **** me.

[bots]

I spent half of my teens and twenties in pubs, I'm not speaking from the perspective of someone who doesn't have a good idea of what pub culture is.

I don't think that everyone who attends pubs is an alcoholic. I do think that anyone who can't handle the idea of going a bit longer without these establishments open - who is "itching for a pint" regardless of whether or not it's sensible - has a problematic mindset that places alcohol of high importance in socialisation.

I think that it is incredibly sad, and a really quite awful red flag in our society, that there are people who have pubs as their "only" source of social interaction.

Do they have a purpose? Sure they're not all negative. But, if there are limits to how much we can reopen, they should be at the very bottom of a very long list and I question the motives of anyone who thinks otherwise as being anything but selfish.

They're not vital to communities they're not vital to the economy. That same argument was used when there were campaigns to reduce smoking/ban smoking advertisement. "Oh but the tax revenue", they said. Excess income spent on alcohol would still be spent, and thus, would still go into the economy. If there aren't other places in the local economy for that money to BE spent, again, that's indicative of horrible flaws in our society.

Tl;Dr I'm not trying to stop you from having your pint forever, I just think pretty much every other aspect of society is more important and I think arguments to the contrary are utter garbage concocted by people who have spent so long spending every Friday night at the pub that they've forgotten, or never knew, how to interact with their friends in other ways. I'm sorry if that hits a nerve, but not sorry enough to stop advocating for the prioritisation of schooling, other social activities, and non-essential medical procedures that are being delayed time and time again whilst people wait in daily pain. If every single person in the country forgoing "the pub" keeps the numbers flat enough for even ONE person to get their urgently needed knee replacement surgery for a condition that has them in pain every day... Then that is more than worth it.

One could equally say that you have a mindset that is driven by your own experiences that is unnaturally placing importance on things as they relate to your own circumstances, not other peoples

[user104658]

One could equally say that you have a mindset that is driven by your own experiences that is unnaturally placing importance on things as they relate to your own circumstances, not other peoples

My focus on education is selfish? I could accept that partially because yes I have children but anyone who doesn't think that child welfare tops the priority list... Well, where would you even start.

In terms of the other things, I (thankfully) have no friends or family members who are suffering because of the lack of access to non-essential medical procedures so you're off base there. I just think it's a horrendous situation because A) I know it's happening and B) I'm a human being.

The constant attempt to try to make a case for "the pub" being of equal importance or even anywhere vaguely in the ballpark of things like education, children's welfare, or health and social care are bizarre to me but of course not unexpected. I know how important it is to some people. Maybe even most people. That's what makes it so hard to swallow. The justifications and excuses will be endless but I can only believe (or hope) that somewhere deep down, people know fine well that socialising over a pint should be considered low priority. If I don't believe that I'll lose the last glimmer of faith I have in people.

[caprimint]

It is absolutely tragic that the "only real source" of local community is or was pubs, and everyone being too unimaginative to find ways to engage with their local community that don't involve those activities is so, so much sadder than a pub with closed doors.

Maybe time for a fresh way of looking at things, rather than woefully clinging to a depressing tradition? Just my opinion of course, I understand that some people are reliant on pubs and need to get back urgently for when they don't fancy cooking or want to watch Sky Sports. **** me.
Eh I mean find other ways that people actually want to/are interested in doing that? There's literally nothing wrong with a pub... it's a really good way to interact with people, have a laugh and chill out for a bit. I've been in pubs so many times while not even drinking before and it's still got an overall great vibe.

Idk why your opinion is sooo strongly against them in general tho

[Ammi]

...I guess that I just find it all linked and it all has its own importance because it all has its own place in a community...(...and I’m not a pub person, I don’t personally go...)...but then, my ‘hub’ revolves around other things, other sources...for some a village pub is very much a part of something that can bring so much more than a drink or a meal..?..it can bring activities, with quizzes and fund raising events, like fun runs and cycling events...also it’s a place where people can discuss the vulnerable in the community...and Mr Etc, needs some regular shopping done atm, if anyone is able to do that/...just so many things..in terms of mental health...?...I think it’s equally important in both children and adults, in all ages...and being able to feel your community around you can only enhance mental health...

[bots]

My focus on education is selfish? I could accept that partially because yes I have children but anyone who doesn't think that child welfare tops the priority list... Well, where would you even start.

In terms of the other things, I (thankfully) have no friends or family members who are suffering because of the lack of access to non-essential medical procedures so you're off base there. I just think it's a horrendous situation because A) I know it's happening and B) I'm a human being.

The constant attempt to try to make a case for "the pub" being of equal importance or even anywhere vaguely in the ballpark of things like education, children's welfare, or health and social care are bizarre to me but of course not unexpected. I know how important it is to some people. Maybe even most people. That's what makes it so hard to swallow. The justifications and excuses will be endless but I can only believe (or hope) that somewhere deep down, people know fine well that socialising over a pint should be considered low priority. If I don't believe that I'll lose the last glimmer of faith I have in people.

people who don't have kids in education couldn't care less if schools are open or not. They have a different set of priorities to yours. Why should they respect your wishes when you are so dismissive of theirs? That's not a tolerant society

[Marsh.]

people who don't have kids in education couldn't care less if schools are open or not. They have a different set of priorities to yours. Why should they respect your wishes when you are so dismissive of theirs? That's not a tolerant society

It's basic common sense that education is a priority to alcohol.

If we're talking priorities, anyone that would prioritise a pint over child welfare is not a normal person.

[Ammi]

..having had conversations with families all through, focusing on mental health...I know the impact..(...with some parents...)...that haven’t been able to get out for a few hours here and there as well...the need for other adult interaction, which has been so bad for their mental health...and how that ..(..can..)..impact on a child ...and so it goes on in circles...if possible and where possible, it would be better to be looking at ways of keeping pubs open and them not being ‘sacrificed’...an ‘okay, we’ll close them’ just seems something that might not be necessary when many things can still take place and be adapted to social distancing...

[Ammi]

It's basic common sense that education is a priority to alcohol.

If we're talking priorities, anyone that would prioritise a pint over child welfare is not a normal person.

...on the last day of term I would say, probably most school staff might have prioritised a pint over child welfare...:laugh:..(...well actually, a few days before the last day...)...

[arista]

Today 74 died

UK Covid-19 Total Deaths :46,193


Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
771

Number of additional cases on Saturday 1 August 2020]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

10 die after drinking hand sanitiser in India
while alcohol stores were closed.

https://news.sky.com/story/10-die-after-drinking-hand-sanitiser-in-india-while-alcohol-stores-were-closed-12040504

[MTVN]

It is absolutely tragic that the "only real source" of local community is or was pubs, and everyone being too unimaginative to find ways to engage with their local community that don't involve those activities is so, so much sadder than a pub with closed doors.

Maybe time for a fresh way of looking at things, rather than woefully clinging to a depressing tradition? Just my opinion of course, I understand that some people are reliant on pubs and need to get back urgently for when they don't fancy cooking or want to watch Sky Sports. **** me.

It's not tragic at all - in places with no shops, leisure centres, cafes or other facilities then yes the pub is important. My local one hosts quiz nights, music nights, its got mens and womens darts teams, people meet to play bridge, local organisations have their meetings there, sports teams go there after playing, it hosts guest food nights, people give talks, you even get blooming knitting clubs and things like that meet there. A lot of people don't even drink when they go to pubs. The fact you keep reducing everything to people apparently just 'itching for a pint' shows you don't get it imo and either went to the wrong pubs or maybe couldn't enjoy them responsibly yourself. Fair enough they're not everyone's cup of tea but hard to see how spending hours on an online forum like we are here is a more wholesome and fruitful use of free time than getting out socialising and being a part of your community. Always worth reading into how big a part pubs played in this country's history, there's a reason they've been around for hundreds of years

[MTVN]

And on that note I have just finished work and it's a lovely day so I am off to the pub :hee:

[Zizu]

And on that note I have just finished work and it's a lovely day so I am off to the pub :hee:


You could make one of these and stick a straw through ... :)


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[Zizu]

10 die after drinking hand sanitiser in India
while alcohol stores were closed.

https://news.sky.com/story/10-die-after-drinking-hand-sanitiser-in-india-while-alcohol-stores-were-closed-12040504



What are these people thinking ?!


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[Ammi]

...enjoy...


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[arista]

[Coronavirus: 650 jobs lost as burger chain Byron
flips out of administration]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-650-jobs-lost-as-burger-chain-byron-flips-out-of-administration-12040003

[Cherie]

It's not tragic at all - in places with no shops, leisure centres, cafes or other facilities then yes the pub is important. My local one hosts quiz nights, music nights, its got mens and womens darts teams, people meet to play bridge, local organisations have their meetings there, sports teams go there after playing, it hosts guest food nights, people give talks, you even get blooming knitting clubs and things like that meet there. A lot of people don't even drink when they go to pubs. The fact you keep reducing everything to people apparently just 'itching for a pint' shows you don't get it imo and either went to the wrong pubs or maybe couldn't enjoy them responsibly yourself. Fair enough they're not everyone's cup of tea but hard to see how spending hours on an online forum like we are here is a more wholesome and fruitful use of free time than getting out socialising and being a part of your community. Always worth reading into how big a part pubs played in this country's history, there's a reason they've been around for hundreds of years

:oh: LT's reach is far and wide

[user104658]

people who don't have kids in education couldn't care less if schools are open or not. They have a different set of priorities to yours. Why should they respect your wishes when you are so dismissive of theirs? That's not a tolerant societyPeople who don't have kids couldn't care less about education, and their set of priorities involves a requirement of going down the pub to get pissed with their pals?

Wow... That's some deeply, deeply dystopian bull**** right there but if that's how it is, it's how it is I guess. I shall reserve the right to feel like those people are both unreasonably stupid and frustratingly selfish. But hey it's Britain 2020 so I'm not going to pretent to be surprised.

[user104658]

It's not tragic at all - in places with no shops, leisure centres, cafes or other facilities then yes the pub is important. My local one hosts quiz nights, music nights, its got mens and womens darts teams, people meet to play bridge, local organisations have their meetings there, sports teams go there after playing, it hosts guest food nights, people give talks, you even get blooming knitting clubs and things like that meet there. A lot of people don't even drink when they go to pubs. The fact you keep reducing everything to people apparently just 'itching for a pint' shows you don't get it imo and either went to the wrong pubs or maybe couldn't enjoy them responsibly yourself. Fair enough they're not everyone's cup of tea but hard to see how spending hours on an online forum like we are here is a more wholesome and fruitful use of free time than getting out socialising and being a part of your community. Always worth reading into how big a part pubs played in this country's history, there's a reason they've been around for hundreds of yearsYou're not describing anything other than leisure activities for adults. Bottom priority for anyone who isn't immature and selfish.

[bots]

You're not describing anything other than leisure activities for adults. Bottom priority for anyone who isn't immature and selfish.

ludicrous

[user104658]

ludicrousAgain you're not even bothering to elaborate. You want it to be ludicrous and you want to pretend that you don't "need" to explain because you don't have a good reasoning.

But again, by all means, assuming we have to "pick and choose" how many aspects of normal life can return, which things would you say come BELOW adult leisure in the pecking order?

[Cherie]

Yaasss :laugh:

Although didn’t all Welsh children go back end of June, it’s hard to know as there wasn’t a word about it in the media..



did this happen? anyone????

[Liam-]

[/B]


did this happen? anyone????

No that hasn’t happened, year 6s went back for a single day to mark them leaving, but other than that, no

[Marsh.]

...on the last day of term I would say, probably most school staff might have prioritised a pint over child welfare...:laugh:..(...well actually, a few days before the last day...)...

:hehe:

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Actually I'm not going to hold back here.
That's a strong headline.

Care home residents were in effect sacrificed before.
Despite his claim the elderly had to be protected.

This with his removal of shielding protection taken away generally too, from those who STILL want it.
It is a dangerous time again for the elderly.
In and out of Care homes.

It's all very well others in the Country saying, if the elderly still want to shield, they can do it voluntarily.
That voluntary will to doesn't carry with with officialdom though.

Unlike when the government instruct shielding to be in place.
Also removing the aid packages to those elderly who need it.

Sorry, the awful part for me, is I can only think they haven't lost enough of sick and elderly yet to satisfy.

They never even express the slightest condolences now, even still with hundreds of rising deaths weekly and hundreds over the last 5 days too.
Still 2 days of deaths to be revealed too for the last week.

I'm like a broken record I know.
I make no apologies for that either.

However I think it a disgrace, games are being played in risking the lives of the elderly.
Even if they get it but don't lose their lives after the trauma of just having the illness badly.
They will be so weakened that their quality of life is reduced, with possibly permanent damage to other organs.

Voices like mine, and there's those who'd love me shut up.
Citing lower infection rates and hospitals not overrun now.
While avoiding to even express sadness at hundreds still dying weekly.

Let's hope, these elderly, now possibly being forced to venture out, even if they don't want to.
Don't end up passing a pub with a fair number coming out as I saw yesterday.
With no masks and one coughing his insides out almost.
I was able to dash across the road.
Someone elderly cannot do that.

I hope Johnson and this government do have a plan to protect Care home residents too this time.
They said they had before.
However they didn't and failed the residents bigtime and scandalously fatally.

I'm not filled with confidence at all however, when they're taking away official protection of the elderly with shielding still generally.

[bots]

as much as I understand your concerns Joey, you cannot condemn a section of society to never meet with other people again in their lifetimes. They must be afforded the opportunity to make their own decisions in a free society. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't continue to be looked after, it simply means that those that want to go out in the world and resume a life that they wish to, can. It's called a free society, and I would not give that right up without a fight.

[joeysteele]

as much as I understand your concerns Joey, you cannot condemn a section of society to never meet with other people again in their lifetimes. They must be afforded the opportunity to make their own decisions in a free society. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't continue to be looked after, it simply means that those that want to go out in the world and resume a life that they wish to, can. It's called a free society, and I would not give that right up without a fight.

If public places were filled with land mines would you still be saying shove everyone out.
Elderly,sick or anyone else.

Because that's what this virus amounts, something you cannot see and like a Russian roulette of interaction.
You never can be sure when you may accidentally come across anyone with this and end up it.

Anyway, you choose to ignore the point in my post where I stated, as to those who STILL wanted the official instruction of shielding.
Who now are not protected because the government has stopped shielding and the aid to those who requested and needed it too.

There's plenty evidence of those who've broken the last shielding period.
Willing to risk themselves and others health and lives.
They are the people you appear to possibly champion.

However by the same token, there are those, many interviewed on the TV yesterday..
Really fearful and feeling abandoned now with the shielding aid stopped.
Who cannot really now shield, because the ' official' shielding instruction is stopped by this reckless government.

So their voluntary shielding is now NOT officially recognised.

However, let's just ignore their worries and fears.
Have them all out and about to face whatever then hits them.
No matter the dangers.

No,not for me.
I'll champion those now really worried, even those now being forced back to work who have serious health conditions too.
Because they are no longer told to or allowed to officially shield.

Just please the ones who want out and are willing to risk getting this hateful virus.
To blazes with the rest who are as worried now as they were at the start of the lockdown.
As if they don't matter.

[bots]

i'm not saying shove everyone out to danger joey, i'm saying don't imprison them against their will. Big difference

[joeysteele]

i'm not saying shove everyone out to danger joey, i'm saying don't imprison them against their will. Big difference

So.
My objection to this government and this PM is why have they stopped the shielding protective element and aid across the board.

Why not leave it in place for those who still wanted to do so from their own needs and fears.

You'd have thought since he's been through the trauma of having it.
He'd have been determined, out of even the tiniest of compassion, no one was put into a position where they had to possibly exposé themselves to the dangers of it.

He IS forcing people out.
Those who got the aid in the first place BECAUSE of the shielding, now likely have to, if they've no one else to help.
Due to him removing the aid packaging to the sick and elderly..
He is also FORCING those with health issues who shielded before, to now go back to work, OR get no income!!.

Am I going mad here or how can people not see that for those who are now virtually abandoned by this government, the elderly again in the main.
That it's wrong to remove the protective shielding for those who wish to still have that OFFICIAL shielding protection.
For crying out loud

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/08/amsterdam-closes-three-cafes-but-60-of-covid-19-sources-are-not-traced/

Amsterdam closes three cafes, but 60 of covid-19 sources are not traced

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/08/new-covid-19-cases-double-in-a-week-demo-against-cornavirus-rules-in-the-hague/

rose to an 11 week high, amount of new cases yesterday was 431


and more anti covid measures demonstrations/protest follow here

[Zizu]

Up here in Gtr Manchester where the new restrictions just kicked in .. yet police still had to stop another RAVE last night in Salford ..

Even in our somewhat quieter area last night there were loads of police sirens which is unusual and even a police helicopter circling round for ages .





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[arista]

[Scotland Coronavirus: Covid cluster linked
to Aberdeen bar after 13 new cases.
NHS Grampian said the cases were associated with
The Hawthorn Bar in Holburn Street in the city centre.
The pub said the outbreak was linked
to customers who visited on 26 July.
All those who tested positive are showing
only mild symptoms, though the health board
said there may be further cases linked to the cluster.

They said physical distancing measures were
in place at the bar and contact tracing was being
carried out in line with the Scottish government's Test
and Protect scheme.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53627801

[arista]

Nickys nation.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/01/20/31454418-8583925-image-a-8_1596310672264.jpg
[While 120 countries in the world ordered citizens
to wear masks in public places to prevent the
spread of Covid-19, the Dutch are doing things
differently. Pictured, people enjoying a drink in Amsterdam]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8583925/The-land-no-face-masks-Hollands-scientists-say-theres-no-solid-evidence-coverings-work.html

[user104658]

[Scotland Coronavirus: Covid cluster linked
to Aberdeen bar after 13 new cases.
NHS Grampian said the cases were associated with
The Hawthorn Bar in Holburn Street in the city centre.
The pub said the outbreak was linked
to customers who visited on 26 July.
All those who tested positive are showing
only mild symptoms, though the health board
said there may be further cases linked to the cluster.

They said physical distancing measures were
in place at the bar and contact tracing was being
carried out in line with the Scottish government's Test
and Protect scheme.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53627801That's very judgemental Arista, those people only wanted to enjoy a night out and that's the most important thing. I heard there was a fantastic quiz on that evening and it was vital for people to attend. There's another one next week, but they're shutting the local minor injuries unit and pushing back the recommencement of schools to make sure there's enough NHS capacity and the local can stay open. Otherwise the fabric of local community might unravel entirely. It's a steep cost but what choice is there really?

[Nicky91]

Nickys nation.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/01/20/31454418-8583925-image-a-8_1596310672264.jpg
[While 120 countries in the world ordered citizens
to wear masks in public places to prevent the
spread of Covid-19, the Dutch are doing things
differently. Pictured, people enjoying a drink in Amsterdam]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8583925/The-land-no-face-masks-Hollands-scientists-say-theres-no-solid-evidence-coverings-work.html

indeed, more because they are afraid of getting more protests, if they force people to wear face masks

we know wearing masks is the right thing to do, but if you ain't got balls to get those rules through to the people, bc of the anti-maskers

well then we're doomed

[arista]

indeed, more because they are afraid of getting more protests, if they force people to wear face masks

we know wearing masks is the right thing to do, but if you ain't got balls to get those rules through to the people, bc of the anti-maskers

well then we're doomed



Yes Strong in your great nation.

[Nicky91]

Yes Strong in your great nation.

certain people care about freedom rights too much that is why they aren't wearing face masks

ironically even with a face mask people would still have 98% of their freedom to do whatever they want

so their protesting is just utter nonsense

[bots]

what governments are finding out across the world is that people do not accept their restrictions and it's only going to become more common. Democracies and government edicts do not go together

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/02/14/31474158-8585303-image-m-43_1596376013840.jpg
[Brighton :during the fight, both women appeared to grab
hold of each other's hair as they tumbled to the floor]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/02/14/31474156-8585303-image-a-39_1596374004720.jpg
[Others, including a security guard,
rushed to break up the fight which took place
today near Brighton seafront]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8585303/Fights-break-Brighton-seafront-drinkers-flout-Covid-rules.html

[bots]

Cherie and Kaz fighting over the lambrusco?

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/02/14/31474158-8585303-image-m-43_1596376013840.jpg
[Brighton :during the fight, both women appeared to grab
hold of each other's hair as they tumbled to the floor]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/02/14/31474156-8585303-image-a-39_1596374004720.jpg
[Others, including a security guard,
rushed to break up the fight which took place
today near Brighton seafront]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8585303/Fights-break-Brighton-seafront-drinkers-flout-Covid-rules.html


The person with the black shoes is also holding a wig :joker:

[arista]

The person with the black shoes is also holding a wig :joker:


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/02/14/31474158-8585303-image-m-43_1596376013840.jpg


Yes a big wig

[arista]

Today 8 died

UK Total of Covid-19 Deaths :46,201


Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
744

Number of additional cases on Sunday 2 August 2020]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

[Coronavirus Australia :
Melbourne brings in tighter restrictions as state
of disaster is declared
The measures come after 671 new cases were
detected in the state of Victoria since Saturday,
including seven deaths.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-melbourne-to-face-tighter-restrictions-as-state-of-disaster-is-declared-12040806

They are in Winter Down Under
some are saying that could be the UK, soon.

[bots]

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[Ammi]

Two men arrested after face mask brawl on Ibiza flight...


A fight broke out on board a KLM flight to Ibiza after two passengers refused to wear face masks.

Video footage appeared to show British holidaymakers were involved in the brawl after the Boeing 737 took off from Amsterdam on Friday.

KLM said both men were restrained with the help of other passengers and were later arrested by Spanish police on arrival in Ibiza.

"Two unruly passengers refused to wear their face masks, and they were bothering their fellow passengers physically and verbally,” a spokesperson for the airline said.

"The pilot informed the local authorities and upon arrival, both passengers were arrested. The flight safety was not compromised during the flight."

The Instagram account which first posted the video on Sunday morning claimed one of the passengers involved was English and had been drinking vodka.

"Panic and violent brawl!," wrote @michighclub. "Unruly English passenger on board KLM flight to Ibiza, he had been drinking Gregus vodka.

"They refused to wear facemasks. 2 arrests were made."

Passengers were heard to shout: "Stop now, there are kids over here!"

Several other people in the video also appeared not to be wearing face coverings.

Masks are mandatory on KLM flights and at airports in the Netherlands as part of the country's coronavirus restrictions.

KLM said passengers were checked for masks on boarding and said staff also issued reminders during the flight.

[Vanessa]

You don't have to wear a mask outside.
Only in closed spaces, where social distancing is impossible.
I carry them with me and wear them when I have to.
I'll need to being my small fan with me, it's boiling in the tube :shocked:

[starry]

The main thing is whether hospitalisations and then deaths start increasing again.

Those who don't bother to wear masks inside shops etc, or go to pubs and gyms I don't really understand. Some people just don't care less but you get them in every country, unless they are made ill it doesn't matter to them. But more younger people are getting ill with the latest infections in the US and France, so we'll see if that changes the mind of some.

It's pretty clear that it spreads outdoors less. Indoors there needs to be windows open to at least get some ventilation. It is possible to both eat and drunk outside at some places and obviously to exercise outside.

[user104658]

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I do find it interesting that there was a fairly steady plateau in new cases at one point but not really a corresponding plateau in death figures in the following weeks, which you would expect there to be.

I also thing it's fascinating how clearly you can see the inconsistencies in death reporting based on day of the week. Weeneds are obvious and you can actually "see" bank holidays in there as well (a 3-day dip instead of the regular 2-day dip).

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ashley.]

The main thing is whether hospitalisations and then deaths start increasing again.

Looking at the graph, it appears that deaths only really start to increase dramatically once the number of hospitalisations per day become too overwhelming (2,000+). We can only hope that the current steady increase in cases will make deaths easier to avoid.

[bots]

The infected are mostly young people at the moment as they are the ones having the parties, ignoring social distancing etc etc. There is then a lag until they then infect their parents/grandparents. The death rate vs infection will remain quite low until that lag kicks in. Thats the basic worry with any uptick in infection

[user104658]

The infected are mostly young people at the moment as they are the ones having the parties, ignoring social distancing etc etc. There is then a lag until they then infect their parents/grandparents. The death rate vs infection will remain quite low until that lag kicks in. Thats the basic worry with any uptick in infectionIt's almost as though, when people start getting together specifically to socialise in enclosed spaces in groups, having a drink and with no mask requirement, social distancing goes completely out the window and there's a resulting increase in infection rates.

If only there was some way we could have predicted this. If only the pub quizzes weren't so sublime that people would just break the locks and pub anyway if they were closed. Alas, we have to face the reality. Is it my round? Anyone for scampi fries?

[Ammi]

...the department for education have said no maskingness for school staff because it’s not conducive to teaching...so as the schools go back one by one and with the absence of masks and with full classroom quota’s, it’ll be interesting to see the sources of infection...and the higher risk areas ...

[Nicky91]

Australia you also cannot be outdoors in evenings/nights, unless you got a valid reason so no partying, no unnecessary socializing


in Netherlands, our Labour party (PVDA) wants the covid measures meeting to be sooner, rather this week than the planned date of August 12th, he wants them to get back from holiday since our new cases has been increasing quite rapidly again and Asscher said we need to do something about this before it is too late again

[Cherie]

It's almost as though, when people start getting together specifically to socialise in enclosed spaces in groups, having a drink and with no mask requirement, social distancing goes completely out the window and there's a resulting increase in infection rates.

If only there was some way we could have predicted this. If only the pub quizzes weren't so sublime that people would just break the locks and pub anyway if they were closed. Alas, we have to face the reality. Is it my round? Anyone for scampi fries?

If you watched Countryfile yesterday they touched on the pubs being opened, and the whole host of businesses that rely on them being opened, distilleries, craft brewers, farmers ....its not just whey hey lets get a pint, there are livelihoods at stake here

better for young people to gather in a pub where their details are taken rather than in a field with a bottle of cider or at a rave

[bots]

Also the uptick of infection in areas has been identified as people not social distancing in friends homes, the pubs are not the problem no matter how fixated some people are on them

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

yes summer or winter does not matter with this virus

i had first thought things would be calmer in summer here, but i also was wrong in that i admit

so a forever lockdown for time being until covid-19 has been completely wiped out and it is safe again would've been a better option

sorry about businesses who might suffer, but Health comes first i think

[bots]

Nobel Prize-winning geneticist and cell biologist Sir Paul Nurse, who is director of the Francis Crick Institute research centre, has criticised the UK government's communication with the public.

Speaking to the BBC, he said the public should be treated like adults - with more transparency.

"I think we need greater openness in the decision-making. It sometimes seems somewhat shrouded in secrecy," he said.

"And not only that, but better communication of what's happening. Treat the public as adults.

"I'll give one example. At the height of the infection I was at a select committee in April and a public health person, I think it was - they may have been from the Department for Health and Social Care - was saying all the testing needed for the NHS was in place.

"Yet we showed at the Francis Crick, at that time, 45% of front-line healthcare staff were infected and they were not being tested because capacity was inadequate.

"Now, that isn't a way to earn trust from the public. We need openness, transparency, scrutiny, and a leadership of people taking responsibility for the decision-making, and we need it now."

[Zizu]

The infected are mostly young people at the moment as they are the ones having the parties, ignoring social distancing etc etc. There is then a lag until they then infect their parents/grandparents. The death rate vs infection will remain quite low until that lag kicks in. Thats the basic worry with any uptick in infection



Simple then .. curfew for the under 30’s and they should be made to sleep in the garden shed or garage to protect any elders :)


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[Zizu]

...the department for education have said no maskingness for school staff because it’s not conducive to teaching...so as the schools go back one by one and with the absence of masks and with full classroom quota’s, it’ll be interesting to see the sources of infection...and the higher risk areas ...



Yes ... sadly some of us will be part of this terrifying experiment :(


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[Nicky91]

Simple then .. curfew for the under 30’s and they should be made to sleep in the garden shed or garage to protect any elders :)


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yes protect the elderly, house arrest for all under 30's


some basic simple rules No Partying (No House Party's either), No Socializing

[arista]

yes protect the elderly, house arrest for all under 30's


some basic simple rules no partying (no house party's either), no socializing


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[arista]

1290108346184265728


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-new-tests-which-detect-covid-19-in-90-minutes-to-be-rolled-out-next-week-12041300


Costing around £100 a new test.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14379/production/_113790828_testingina-e.jpg
Loads of testing machines

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043

[Zizu]

With all these new rules and possible curfews etc how on Earth are the all ready stretched police supposed to ‘police’ all the extra situations ?


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[arista]

Former BBC Radio now on Times Radio DAB

Posts her Discount breakfast.


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8586395/Governments-half-price-restaurant-scheme-Eat-Help-finally-launches.html

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/08/online-shopping-surge-boosts-postnl-capacity-scaled-up-40/

online shopping surge boosts PostNL since coronavirus crisis, sales up to 100 million, more profits than ever before


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/08/belgium-advises-against-travel-to-three-dutch-provinces-as-covid-19-flares-up/

Belgium declared a no go to 3 dutch provinces Noord-Holland, Zuid-Holland, Zeeland

[MTVN]

If you watched Countryfile yesterday they touched on the pubs being opened, and the whole host of businesses that rely on them being opened, distilleries, craft brewers, farmers ....its not just whey hey lets get a pint, there are livelihoods at stake here

better for young people to gather in a pub where their details are taken rather than in a field with a bottle of cider or at a rave

Good point I forgot about the other day. I heard someone saying yesterday that the overwhelming majority of new infections are taking place in households atm, that's where social distancing really does go out the window along with a lot of precautions around sanitising and good hygiene. Bar a few neglectful landlords, the vast majority of pubs are enforcing all of this rigorously as they have good reason to because they know they'll be closed if they don't. They also know exactly who has been there and when making it one of the easiest things to track and trace.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EedGNWYXoAEb1_-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[joeysteele]

Probably some, just some I hasten to stress, of those after the pubs are heading to others and their own homes and not observing the precautions after a few drinks, throwing possibly a bit of caution to the wind.

Hence more infections in home areas..

I could of course be well and truly wrong as to any of that 'but' it's not impossible.

No one who'd been to a pub for a few drinks would get in my house for certain at present.
Family or otherwise.

[MTVN]

Last 7 days number of deaths in English hospitals:

7 (July 28th)
4
3
1
5
2
5 (today)

[arista]

Coronavirus: Hays Travel to cut up to 878 jobs

[Owners John and Irene Hays blamed the government's
advice against all non-essential travel to Spain
and the changes in furlough conditions,
saying these two things had left them with "no choice".]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hays-travel-to-cut-up-to-878-jobs-12041756

[arista]

Today 9 Died

UK Total of Covid-19 Deaths: 46,210

Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
938

Number of additional cases on Monday 3 August 2020]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Samm]

It’s more cases we should be looking at now then deaths. I can’t see the number of tests being performed anymore? Are they still releasing them

[joeysteele]

So out of around 400 deaths to this virus in the last week alone.
Why are only 27 dying in hospital.

Are no others of those around 400 losing their lives last week, capable of even being tried to save.

Hospitals now aren't overrun.
Why are only under 10% of the rising number of deaths, in hospitals!!

[MTVN]

It’s more cases we should be looking at now then deaths. I can’t see the number of tests being performed anymore? Are they still releasing them

I think they release it weekly on a Thursday, I saw someone say that last week the percentage of people testing positive fell in pillar 1 tests (hospitals) but rose in pillar 2 community testing

So out of around 400 deaths to this virus in the last week alone.
Why are only 27 dying in hospital.

Are no others of those around 400 losing their lives last week, capable of even being tried to save.

Hospitals now aren't overrun.
Why are only under 10% of the rising number of deaths, in hospitals!!

May well be due to the issue in PHE reporting where its listed as a Covid death even if their positive test was months ago

[bots]

The deaths outside of hospital can only really fall under a few categories

1. Causes after catching covid in the past
2. Sudden deterioration where hospitalisation wasn't possible
3. Other reasons unexplained

Given the long term effect covid can have to general health, I would guess most fall into the first category. Also, elderly/vulnerable people may have recovered from covid and succumbed to existing issues.

I'm not convinced that we should stop counting covid deaths after 3 months recovery either. I would rather the stats were there for future analysis

[joeysteele]

Something smells about the whole set up I think.

If someone elderly has symptoms, any difficulty breathing, why are they NOT in hospital anyway.

Isn't that what hospitals are for to ease suffering too and ensure all is done to save a life.
Who is deciding who gets to hospital, and intensive care with a ventilator too if needed.

This strikes up more questions from my original one.

Or are people just being allowed to die with nothing done to help them.
Because they can't have intensive care in Care homes or their own homes.

Plus let's have some honesty on figures for once.
With the real figures.
Also just where, when and why there are deaths still in the hundreds.
With so few in hospital.
Under any circumstances relating to this virus.

[user104658]

Something smells about the whole set up I think.

If someone elderly has symptoms, any difficulty breathing, why are they NOT in hospital anyway.

Isn't that what hospitals are for to ease suffering too and ensure all is done to save a life.
Who is deciding who gets to hospital, and intensive care with a ventilator too if needed.

This strikes up more questions from my original one.

Or are people just being allowed to die with nothing done to help them.
Because they can't have intensive care in Care homes or their own homes.

Plus let's have some honesty on figures for once.
With the real figures.
Also just where, when and why there are deaths still in the hundreds.
With so few in hospital.
Under any circumstances relating to this virus.Many elderly people in care homes are DNR (do not resuscitate). They wouldn't go to hospital if they had Covid they would be allowed to die. That's not a Covid thing; they would be allowed to die peacefully of any cause.

Aggressive medical interventions/intubation on, say, a 90 year old in a care home who has dementia and cancer isn't just unnecessary, it's bordering on cruel.

[Zizu]

A woman on LBC radio just claimed that where she lives in Leeds nobody is taking the virus seriously and walking around the place you’d never know there was a pandemic YET she claims it’s the opposite in ‘well to do’ Harrogate where it’s being taken tremendously seriously by the council and all the people ..

She’s suggesting that it’s a ‘class’ mentality ...


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[joeysteele]

Many elderly people in care homes are DNR (do not resuscitate). They wouldn't go to hospital if they had Covid they would be allowed to die. That's not a Covid thing; they would be allowed to die peacefully of any cause.

Aggressive medical interventions/intubation on, say, a 90 year old in a care home who has dementia and cancer isn't just unnecessary, it's bordering on cruel.

Well, I'd still like to know from official reliable sources that was the case.

Of course it makes sense, however not all the deaths are 90 year olds.

I think we need more not less of the finer detail of these deaths.
Yes, if the heart stops do not resuscitate.
However, there's a lot of suffering breathing wise with this virus.

That would likely need more attentive and end of life care, which frankly Care homes cannot provide the very best of.
Just my view.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

The UK has recorded 938 new cases of coronavirus in a 24 hour period - the highest amount to be confirmed in 24 hours since June 26, six weeks ago...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-records-the-highest-amount-of-new-coronavirus-cases-since-june-183640814.html

[bots]

The number of cases has sat at around a thousand a day for a while. There is a small rise which is shown in the graphs I posted a couple of days ago which is what led to the comment about us reaching a threshold for what could be opened up again. The evidence suggests that it is people not social distancing when visiting others homes, hence the action in Manchester.

The big worry really is that when we get to October it will be a lot worse with more indoor interactions

[Nicky91]

now as of today i discovered my dad is also a hardcore anti-masker :facepalm:


anti-maskers = murderers


we need to get rid of these dumb idiots somehow, silence them, what do i care about their ''freedom of speech'' moans, you are allowed to have own opinion, but everyone should know Health comes first, and people who think otherwise are just murderers then if they won't wear face masks

[Ammi]

now as of today i discovered my dad is also a hardcore anti-masker :facepalm:


anti-maskers = murderers


we need to get rid of these dumb idiots somehow, silence them, what do i care about their ''freedom of speech'' moans, you are allowed to have own opinion, but everyone should know Health comes first, and people who think otherwise are just murderers then if they won't wear face masks

...Nicky...use the opportunity for a discussion with your dad, so that you can share your thoughts with each other...don’t condemn him...

[Nicky91]

...Nicky...use the opportunity for a discussion with your dad, so that you can share your thoughts with each other…don’t condemn him...

those people can't listen, they call us the Gestapo or the SS ''taking away their freedom'' blah blah blah that sort of ****


at least these current times you really get to know people so well

[Cherie]

now as of today i discovered my dad is also a hardcore anti-masker :facepalm:


anti-maskers = murderers


we need to get rid of these dumb idiots somehow, silence them, what do i care about their ''freedom of speech'' moans, you are allowed to have own opinion, but everyone should know Health comes first, and people who think otherwise are just murderers then if they won't wear face masks

Make him close all windows and doors and take away his fan when he is sleeping downstairs :oh: he must be punished :laugh:

[Ammi]

those people can't listen, they call us the Gestapo or the SS ''taking away their freedom'' blah blah blah that sort of ****


at least these current times you really get to know people so well

....I don’t know your age, Nicky, but you’ve had many years with your dad ‘knowing him well’...his views on mask wearing won’t change the dad you know so well...but it’s a good opening for a conversation to be had because the entire population of countries were never going to completely agree on something, so trying to gain understanding is important also...’those people can’t listen..’....and yet you appear to be dismissing any listening/any conversation....anyways I must go, you have a good day, Nicky...

[bots]

The issue is not about mask wearing, it's about civil liberties. Everyone has a different threshold for deciding when their civil liberty is being invaded. In a democracy people will fight against being told what to do and the more restrictions that are imposed the more they will rebel. Lockdowns and restrictions are not sustainable whether we like that or not.

[Nicky91]

The issue is not about mask wearing, it's about civil liberties. Everyone has a different threshold for deciding when their civil liberty is being invaded. In a democracy people will fight against being told what to do and the more restrictions that are imposed the more they will rebel. Lockdowns and restrictions are not sustainable whether we like that or not.

our health is very important, shame when not everyone understands that


those masks ok, not proven if they help or do not help, but it is still better than nothing, it will still protect you a bit more than wearing nothing

[Zizu]

our health is very important, shame when not everyone understands that





those masks ok, not proven if they help or do not help, but it is still better than nothing, it will still protect you a bit more than wearing nothing



Unless they offer no protection as the virus particles are minuscule ( 250,000 on a pinhead ) .

Some experts say that when you wear one you naturally put your guard down somewhat which is dangerous


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[joeysteele]

The UK has recorded 938 new cases of coronavirus in a 24 hour period - the highest amount to be confirmed in 24 hours since June 26, six weeks ago...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-records-the-highest-amount-of-new-coronavirus-cases-since-june-183640814.html


I know I'm like a broken record on this.
I guess I'm irritated more because of those I've lost to this from my life.
It changes your perspective of this vile virus once you've lost even just one person to it, who you were close to,be it family, friend or even neighbour.
Work colleague too.

I just do not trust any figures.
We know from the ONS, who the government quotes when it suits them to.
That the deaths are far higher.
Also that the infection rate is far higher than what the government are presenting.

Their track and trace system apparently, even at the last information, was not, NOT able to contact almost a quarter of those who'd been in contact with a sufferer of this virus.
Or wouldn't isolate.

We are being treated like mushrooms, kept in a dark corner and shovelled with s....e.

We need the science and the information, all of it available, to be presented in full to the public.
This is our health and the going to and fro , doing this doing that,deceitful reactive policy to this virus from Johnson and co is insulting.

As for civil liberties, well people should be, and be able to feel safe going about their business and their cities.
People, if they really are trusted with real facts and truth, DO conform to doing anything that's necessary to protect themselves and others.

A minority don't.

In war we do have to do as we are told, it's vital that's the case.
This is a more like war issue, however against an enemy we cannot see or even hear.
So it is a full duty to make sure as best as possible..
All are safe as possible but to ensure all vulnerable people, are made aware of the horrific danger of getting this virus.
Then ensuring they are completely, as few risks as possible taken with their welfare.

That's the duty of all in any Nation and it's the duty of those in power, no matter who they are..
To ensure NO risks are taken.

Something, I'm sorry to say, and something I'd be saying if it was Labour, Lib Dem or a coalition of 2 or more parties in government not just this Con one and they'd been as this government has been.
That far from real protection this government with it's confusing, contradictory messaging.
All its failures leading to unnecessary further losses of lives.
Have NOT made sure risks aren't taken and haven't protected either.

We have 2 of the worst individuals possible leading this nightmare, the totally in my view, discredited ages ago Health secretary Hancock and this impossible to almost understand PM.

Shameful and scandalous.

The figures are deceit, pure deceit.
Statistics to suit, when it suits.
We don't really know any real figures on testing or deaths even.
Disgraceful.
In my view.

[Nicky91]

Unless they offer no protection as the virus particles are minuscule ( 250,000 on a pinhead ) .

Some experts say that when you wear one you naturally put your guard down somewhat which is dangerous


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they do offer some form of protection, more than not wearing a mask

[bots]

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[joeysteele]

they do offer some form of protection, more than not wearing a mask

They do offer protection, that's obvious and should be to all.

I agree some people do get closer when wearing them.
However, I have seen near full compliance in the Stores and shops I use occasionally.

May I say Nicky.
Please don't be so hard on your Dad.
He may be unwise to not wear a facecovering.
Just try to gently from your own example, show how important you believe they are.

Hopefully he'll come round and learn from you.

I've battled in my own family to get people to wear facecoverings.

I actually used a likely bad example to one, saying if someone was definitely going to spit in their face, would they rather they did it, without a mask on, or with one on.

The answer was clear, for the latter.
They now wear a facecovering at least.

[arista]

The UK has recorded 938 new cases of coronavirus in a 24 hour period - the highest amount to be confirmed in 24 hours since June 26, six weeks ago...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-records-the-highest-amount-of-new-coronavirus-cases-since-june-183640814.html


Yes if many are younger people
it could mean less death.

[Nicky91]

Farms have been doing quite well now too here in Netherlands, i mean more people than ever before want to buy fresh fruit, veg there, how they prefer that to being in supermarkets, mostly elderly anyway

there was a nice report by our late night news show Hart van Nederland about this

even some are allowed to help collecting all sorts of berries in the field with correct distance between people of course, but in those fields that is very easy to do

[MTVN]

UK coronavirus deaths dropped by 26 percent in just one week, new figures from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) show.

In the week ending July 24 (week 30), 217 registered deaths mentioned Covid-19, a significant drop compared to 295 the week before.

It was the lowest number of deaths involving Covid-19 in the last 18 weeks.

It was also a 26.4% decrease compared with week 29, when there were 295 deaths, accounting for 2.4% of all deaths in England and Wales.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-uk-coronavirus-deaths-drop-22465426#source=push

[joeysteele]

Interesting.
Well those ONS figures just shows the confusion we are getting.

Because that's at odds with the government's figures which in this case is higher.

What it doesn't change one bit is still hundreds losing their lives weekly.

Funny how the ONS figures get poo pooed usually.
Because they've been always higher than the government's usually.

It gave a damning report on our deaths tally in relation to the rest of Europe.
I didn't see much agreeing with those findings.

I'll stick to my line that hundreds of deaths still happening weekly,leave thousands devastated and mourning those losses too.
Which for me is shocking that we are still recording hundreds of deaths.

It can be dressed up selectively all anyone likes.
It's devastating losses for many.

I am content to probably follow more the ONS figures.
Although I don't believe we have been told the truth and still aren't being told it.

Over 200 to just under 400 deaths are still hundreds of deaths weekly, even after all this time and a lockdown.
That's people's lives lost, peoples Grandparents, Parents, families, friends, work colleagues and neighbours.
No matter how it gets dressed up, that's the fact.

[MTVN]

ONS stats always going to be the most accurate imo as they have a bit of time to fully analyse the stats whereas the daily figures are a bit all over the place. I've no issue with using the ONS as the most reliable source including when they reflect badly on us, think I've posted their excess death figures a few times

[user104658]

I think we're at a point now where it's far more scientific to look at properly compiled statistical data rather than daily figures. Early on you can't do that because there isn't broad enough data to show anything meaningful, and so the best you have is whatever raw data is at hand. But we're coming up on 6 months into this thing now, so we can really start relying more on more robust data analysis and not simplicities like "yesterday was X, today is Y"

[The Slim Reaper]

Boris was right, we've been world leading. Can't believe I ever doubted him or Dom.

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[bots]

Authorities in the Australian city of Melbourne have warned of a "dangerous" rise in people resisting lockdown measures, sometimes violently.

Police said this trend included so-called "sovereign citizens" - who espouse an anti-government ideology - confronting officers.

In one case a woman repeatedly smashed a policewoman's head into the ground.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-53645759

[Nicky91]

:umm2: i know most already suffered through a first lockdown ok, but if lockdown measures are required to battle this virus what is very life-threatening

common sense would suggest it would be dumb to resist those measures


also beating a policewoman's head in the ground is disgusting

[arista]

As of Friday 500 tests
came back with 64 infected with Covid-19
in Swindon
working at the big distribution of Iceland Food stores.
The Car Park has a testing tent
so they can keep trading.


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

800 jobs to be cut
at PC World /Currys stores
And Dixons /Carphone Warehouse
due to Covid-19.

https://news.sky.com/story/dixons-carphone-to-cut-800-jobs-through-store-management-changes-12042244

[The Slim Reaper]

Authorities in the Australian city of Melbourne have warned of a "dangerous" rise in people resisting lockdown measures, sometimes violently.

Police said this trend included so-called "sovereign citizens" - who espouse an anti-government ideology - confronting officers.

In one case a woman repeatedly smashed a policewoman's head into the ground.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-53645759

That bunch would be right wing, brexit, galahad's over here. Says a lot.

[arista]

Today 89 have Died

Total UK Covid-19 deaths : 46,299

The Site has Changed
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

89 who would have had pneumonia on their death certs this time last year?

[arista]

Blackburn & Darwin Council
has had to set up its own Track and trace
Going Door to Door in some cases.

As National System has Failed.

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