Coronavirus Outbreak

[arista]

There was an interesting segment on the London news last night, scientists from Imperial College have been swabbing the underground and buses key traffic areas after rush hour, bells on buses, hand rails, escalators, tickets barriers, etc have returned no virus evident for two months in a row so cleaning regimes seem to be working :clap1: keep those masks on


Yes he was swabbing
finding nothing.

[Cherie]

Yes he was swabbing
finding nothing.

I knew you would have seen it Arista :laugh:

[Zizu]

There was an interesting segment on the London news last night, scientists from Imperial College have been swabbing the underground and buses key traffic areas after rush hour, bells on buses, hand rails, escalators, ticket barriers, etc have returned no virus evident for two months in a row so cleaning regimes seem to be working :clap1: keep those masks on



Were they finding lots of virus particles more than two months ago ??

This is the first I’ve heard of any swabbing of public places ..


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[Zizu]

...so many empty shelves at the supermarket yesterday, it really was quite sad...I only went for a few bits so I did get everything...but there was a lady there who had also gone for just a few bits and she couldn’t get any of them....she was tearful...:sad:...



It’s only a day or so ago we were being told by the supermarkets ( I think ) that there were plenty of stock available..

Are they also lying to us now !?


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[Cherie]

It’s only a day or so ago we were being told by the supermarkets ( I think ) that there were plenty of stock available..

Are they also lying to us now !?


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well there would be plenty stock if people shopped normally, if someone goes in and buys 10 bags of pasta that is not normal and no warehouse could keep up with that demand

[Cherie]

Were they finding lots of virus particles more than two months ago ??

This is the first I’ve heard of any swabbing of public places ..


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I would imagine its recently been introduced?

[Zizu]

I would imagine its recently been introduced?



Just something they should have been monitoring since day one though , surely


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[Cherie]

Just something they should have been monitoring since day one though , surely


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maybe they have :shrug:

[Zizu]

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Implications ??


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[AnnieK]

well there would be plenty stock if people shopped normally, if someone goes in and buys 10 bags of pasta that is not normal and no warehouse could keep up with that demand

I've just come back and there was plenty of everything. Got potatoes, bread, pasta, fruit and veg and the shop was quite quiet.

[Ammi]

...Annie got her gun...?...Annie are you okay, are you okay, Annie...

[Cherie]

I've just come back and there was plenty of everything. Got potatoes, bread, pasta, fruit and veg and the shop was quite quiet.

Not going out until tomorrow or Friday so will report back then!

[Zizu]

Sky News .. our Beth is on .. the queen of stating the obvious , reiterating it and then explaining it in very simple terms for us all ...


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[Zizu]

I've just come back and there was plenty of everything. Got potatoes, bread, pasta, fruit and veg and the shop was quite quiet.



No Milk , Heinz Baked Beanz or toilet rolls ?!?

What were you thinking !?!


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[AnnieK]

No Milk , Heinz Baked Beanz or toilet rolls ?!?

What were you thinking !?!


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I hate beans.....have plenty of the others so no need to get any today :laugh:

[arista]

...Annie got her gun...?...Annie are you okay, are you okay, Annie...


Yes 1988 MJ Hit Song

[The Slim Reaper]

I hate beans.....have plenty of the others so no need to get any today :laugh:


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[AnnieK]

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Nasty things....my mum once made me sit at the table as a kid for hours after I said I didn't like them (after eating only them for the last 6 weeks lol). She wouldn't let me leave the table till I'd eaten them....which I did but have never had them since

[Ammi]

Coronavirus: Boris Johnson warns of deaths 'on a grievous scale' without England lockdown...



Boris Johnson has warned of deaths "on a grievous scale" without further action to stem the spread of coronavirus infections.

As he opened a House of Commons debate on England's new lockdown, the prime minister urged MPs to vote in favour of a second national shutdown later on Wednesday.

Mr Johnson said he was "not prepared to take the risk with the lives of the British people" after being confronted with worsening COVID-19 data.

The prime minister added, without action now, the NHS was likely to be in "extraordinary trouble" by next month.

[user104658]

Coronavirus: Boris Johnson warns of deaths 'on a grievous scale' without England lockdown...



Boris Johnson has warned of deaths "on a grievous scale" without further action to stem the spread of coronavirus infections.

As he opened a House of Commons debate on England's new lockdown, the prime minister urged MPs to vote in favour of a second national shutdown later on Wednesday.

Mr Johnson said he was "not prepared to take the risk with the lives of the British people" after being confronted with worsening COVID-19 data.

The prime minister added, without action now, the NHS was likely to be in "extraordinary trouble" by next month.

I was under the impression it was already confirmed to be happening :think:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Strictly Jake]

My baby henry is 7 months old today. That shows how long this whole thing has gone on for. Still the family havent been able to hold him properly. From being born to now eating solids, starting to crawl even starting to babble his words. They still havent been able to have that time to bond with him. There seems to be no time frame to it either. How old is he gonna be when this is gone?

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

7,657 new cases (112 down from yesterday)

236 new hospitalisations (2,572 in total)

50 new ICU patients (612 in total)

106 new deaths (7 down from yesterdays 113)

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1323991070699638786

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/tougher-coronavirus-rules-for-two-weeks-and-rotterdam-may-face-full-lockdown/

Netherlands: summary of our press conference last night in english

Rotterdam may face full lockdown

[arista]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/tougher-coronavirus-rules-for-two-weeks-and-rotterdam-may-face-full-lockdown/

Netherlands: summary of our press conference last night in english

Rotterdam may face full lockdown


Yes Get a Full Lockdown
it can only save lives

[arista]

The Parliament Vote
soon
On Tomorrow's Lockdown is predicted to Win.

Estimated only 20 Conservative MP's against it
can not stop it.

[arista]

In a House of Commons vote on Wednesday,
MPs supported the new coronavirus measures by 516 to 38.

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[arista]

492 have Died now

25,177 today have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
12,320


Patients in ventilator beds
1,142


47,742 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Jake.]

492 have Died now

25,177 today have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
12,320


Patients in ventilator beds
1,142


47,742 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

That’s a shocking rise

[arista]

That’s a shocking rise



Yes I get the feeling that Hospital Mega Jump
was kept secret until this day before Lockdown month.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Today Rishi Sunak
(Chancellor)
is going into Parliament with some
extra benefits


Extending the Furlough Scheme
to the End of this year.

[arista]

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Posting again
as its now been shown on TV news.


1st video on This Morning HD

Helen Whitely MP
Minister for Social Care
(On a Link, but could not comment on this case)

[Cherie]

Posting again
as its now been shown on TV news.


1st video on This Morning HD

Helen Whitely MP
Minister for Social Care
(On a Link, but could not comment on this case)

oh that made me cry, why can't they take her home?

[arista]

oh that made me cry, why can't they take her home?


Sadly
it is wrong to take some out of that care home
without agreement.

As they Drove off
the Care home informed them they notified the Police.


At least she is Free from the Police now
as she was on This Morning.

But far worse for the 97 year old
as she will be alone for 14 days
back in the care home.

[bots]

it is a tragic scenario, but i could see how it could happen. If the care home just let someone drive off without completing appropriate documentation, they would be held responsible. An awful lot is not explained in that video

[Cherie]

it is a tragic scenario, but i could see how it could happen. If the care home just let someone drive off without completing appropriate documentation, they would be held responsible. An awful lot is not explained in that video

I mean that is true as well, I don't know how they got access to her, or why they didn't advise what they wanted to do and do it through the proper channels, I think maybe they just got frustrated and acted on an instinct, it must be a nightmare to have a relative in a care home at the moment

[arista]

In 15mins or So
Sunak is Live in Parliament
And the Latest is the Money is to be extended
until March 2021

[Nicky91]

Greece their PM Mitsotakis announced another full lockdown for them, for 3 weeks


Norway's PM Solberg announced stricter measures, urges their people to stay home, Norway for long time had one of lowest numbers in europe, but last week a rise of 3,118 cases, the week before 1,718


and EU's Ursula von der Leyen said this just 18 minutes ago

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1324313952457760768

[bots]

extending the furlough until March will be a massive relief to many

[AnnieK]

extending the furlough until March will be a massive relief to many

Indeed and it will be welcome by employers and employees alike. I have just been speaking with my boss and its been a massive relief to them

[Cherie]

Great news about Furlough :clap1:

[Cherie]

Greece their PM Mitsotakis announced another full lockdown for them, for 3 weeks


Norway's PM Solberg announced stricter measures, urges their people to stay home, Norway for long time had one of lowest numbers in europe, but last week a rise of 3,118 cases, the week before 1,718


and EU's Ursula von der Leyen said this just 18 minutes ago

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1324313952457760768

I hope they gave the UK some :hehe:

[Nicky91]

I hope they gave the UK some :hehe:

in all fairness UK hasn't technically left the EU (after 31st December) so they could always just be polite (for once) and ask for some help should they want, but knowing british government so well by now, they will never be polite towards the EU

so no help for UK from EU (we also remember how british were trolling during our anthem ;))

[Vanessa]

Pundland is to remain open. Thank god, I get a lot of stuff from there.

[arista]

Sunak is now Live
Parliament

[Cherie]

Rishi is on

[arista]

Extension until March 2021 Money Furlough
confirmed

[Strictly Jake]

Must say it brought a tear to my eye getting the bus back to work after my lunch break seeing all of the little shops, pubs and hairdressers all closed. A lady was shutting up her hairdressers and was crying. I guess she probably doesnt know if or when she will return. Id say the 4 weeks has the potential to expand to longer

Im in a limbo as to whether im jealous of people getting 4 weeks off with furlough or being apprecaitive I have 7 hours a day of work with full pay.

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

6,996 new cases (first time below 7000 in these few months)

261 new hospitalisations (2,512 in total)

35 new ICU patients (607 in total)

87 new deaths (yesterday that were 106)

[Vanessa]

Must say it brought a tear to my eye getting the bus back to work after my lunch break seeing all of the little shops, pubs and hairdressers all closed. A lady was shutting up her hairdressers and was crying. I guess she probably doesnt know if or when she will return. Id say the 4 weeks has the potential to expand to longer

Im in a limbo as to whether im jealous of people getting 4 weeks off with furlough or being apprecaitive I have 7 hours a day of work with full pay.
They will definitely reopen in December, but I expect it will be done gradually.
I know it's difficult, but it's the only way to get numbers down.

[arista]

Johnson Prime Minister is Live 5PM
10 Downing St. today

[Morgan.]

They will definitely reopen in December, but I expect it will be done gradually.
I know it's difficult, but it's the only way to get numbers down.

It’s certainly not the only way, and one of the big ways (colleges and unis) hasn’t been explored yet.

[Nicky91]

It’s certainly not the only way, and one of the big ways (colleges and unis) hasn’t been explored yet.

no schools and unis have to stay open, important for children

and also important for parents to not have annoying children at home all the time

[Morgan.]

no schools and unis have to stay open, important for children

and also important for parents to not have annoying children at home all the time

Tell me where I said schools.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good news from Scotland again. Nicola says R number around 1 and again our harder approach earlier is showing good positive signs on the numbers

[Nicky91]

Tell me where I said schools.

schools and colleges are same for me tbh

we here never say colleges

[Morgan.]

schools and colleges are same for me tbh

we here never say colleges

College is 16+ Nicky. 16-24’s are spreading the virus the most since they returned to education.

[Nicky91]

College is 16+ Nicky. 16-24’s are spreading the virus the most since they returned to education.

keep them 24/7 at college, and under strict supervision with security camera's

like that they cannot hold these illegal party's

[Morgan.]

keep them 24/7 at college, and under strict supervision with security camera's

like that they cannot hold these illegal party's

I guarantee you I am safer at home than college. In college I have to be in a room no larger than my kitchen with 15 other people, no masks, no PPE. The other option is virtual learning (which we did for most of last year and worked perfectly) where I can be protected from the virus myself and my vulnerable household.

[The Slim Reaper]

keep them 24/7 at college, and under strict supervision with security camera's

like that they cannot hold these illegal party's

I think they call that prison, Nicky.

[arista]

The Prime Minister is now Live

10 Downing St.


All Media.

[Nicky91]

I think they call that prison, Nicky.

it's either that or their corona germs being spread via those illegal party's

[Smithy]

What is the point of this it’s not new information

[arista]

What is the point of this it’s not new information

He has a Medical man near him.
To talk next.


NHS Chief Sir Simon Stephens

[Vanessa]

Lets hope this lockdown works. It would be nice to actually have Christmas to look forward to.

[bots]

The government has been criticised by the official statistics watchdog for the way it presented data to justify England's second lockdown.

The UK Statistics Authority highlighted the use of modelling at Saturday's TV briefing showing the possible death toll from Covid this winter.

It said there needed to be more transparency about data and how predictions were being made.

The projections were out of date and over-estimated deaths, it has emerged.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54831334

[arista]

Recorded Questions first from the Public

[Nicky91]

Lets hope this lockdown works. It would be nice to actually have Christmas to look forward to.

no chance, since youth don't listen and will still go on with the illegal partying

and this lockdown is too short anyway, just one month, you need definitely two or three months

[arista]

Now Press Questions

[AnnieK]

I agreed with the first question about outdoor spprts. My son sits in a classroom all day woth 30 kids, twice having to self isolate because of positive cases but he cant play 7 a side football or go to his athletics club where they keep they all socially distant when lane running.

[joeysteele]

He's talking about opening up hopefully things for Christmas.
I can see possibly more chaos by or just after Christmas.

Starting to or opening up, things from December 2nd is in my view going to have in those mad 3 weeks to Christmas and New Year.
Caution thrown to the wind bigtime.

He's raising again a hopeful success in this measure.
Which of course all hope it will be.
Will he however, throw it all away again by opening all up too soon, too quickly in the run up to Christmas and New Year.

[Josy]

Good news from Scotland again. Nicola says R number around 1 and again our harder approach earlier is showing good positive signs on the numbersSo why is she 'floating' the idea of a full lockdown?

Its going across the sky news ticker

[Zizu]

I think they call that prison, Nicky.



Only if they’re supplied X Boxes or PlayStations and free access to gyms


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[Josy]

He's talking about opening up hopefully things for Christmas.
I can see possibly more chaos by or just after Christmas.

Starting to or opening up, things from December 2nd is in my view going to have in those mad 3 weeks to Christmas and New Year.
Caution thrown to the wind bigtime.

He's raising again a hopeful success in this measure.
Which of course all hope it will be.
Will he however, throw it all away again by opening all up too soon, too quickly in the run up to Christmas and New Year.He mentioned that England would be going back to the tiered restrictions though so the areas with the highest numbers will probably still be in a lockdown

[Crimson Dynamo]

So why is she 'floating' the idea of a full lockdown?

Its going across the sky news ticker

no she was then asked so you are not going to lock down at any point or some such leading question and she obvs had to reply that she cannot rule it out in the future (she cant if the numbers went mad of course)

hence the headline "Sturgeon does not rule out 2nd lockdown" its papers trolling readers for views. The positive story would get less views :idc:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54827091

[Zizu]

Lets hope this lockdown works. It would be nice to actually have Christmas to look forward to.



Wasn’t the last lockdown for 3 months and involved closing schools and colleges.. This second wave is supposedly more severe so how on Earth will 1 month on an easier lockdown work faster ??


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[rusticgal]

Wasn’t the last lockdown for 3 months and involved closing schools and colleges.. This second wave is supposedly more severe so how on Earth will 1 month on an easier lockdown work faster ??


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...and Garden centres and homeware stores are all open :shrug:

[Vanessa]

Wasn’t the last lockdown for 3 months and involved closing schools and colleges.. This second wave is supposedly more severe so how on Earth will 1 month on an easier lockdown work faster ??


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Could be enough. The R rate is not that high. It just needs to get below 1

[Zizu]

no chance, since youth don't listen and will still go on with the illegal partying



and this lockdown is too short anyway, just one month, you need definitely two or three months



That’s my view as well especially if we’re keeping schools open


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[Zizu]

Could be enough. The R rate is not that high. It just needs to get below 1



Fair enough...

I’m still in shock after learning about the young kid ( aged 13 ) in America who was happily messing with his school mates one moment and died of Covid just 10 days ( TEN) later !! They didn’t mention any underlying health issues as they normally do ..


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[Dogeatdog]

I’m confused by this lockdown because they said the 2nd wave will be worse than the first one yet they’re choosing to keep more places open this time?

[Vanessa]

Fair enough...

I’m still in shock after learning about the young kid ( aged 13 ) in America who was happily messing with his school mates one moment and died of Covid just 10 days ( TEN) later !! They didn’t mention any underlying health issues as they normally do ..


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I know, that's really scary. This virus is so dangerous!

[bots]

i think Nicola would have considered a lockdown in Scotland if furlough were only available for a short time. Now that its extended until March, she can be more flexible knowing she could lockdown if and when it was required

[Vanessa]

i think Nicola would have considered a lockdown in Scotland if furlough were only available for a short time. Now that its extended until March, she can be more flexible knowing she could lockdown if and when it was required

Yeah, I don't think lockdown is needed in Scotland at the moment.

[Vanessa]

I’m confused by this lockdown because they said the 2nd wave will be worse than the first one yet they’re choosing to keep more places open this time?

They're trying to avoid a second wave like that.
Hopefully next year the vaccine will help.

[bots]

we have such a long winter ahead, there is the possibility of things being much worse if it were allowed to get out of control. In March the R rate was 3 across the UK. Now ( or last week, it was 1.1-1.3) So not even close to how it was in March, and it shows social distancing is working. All we need to do is bring the number under 1 and the infections will shrink again. As we only need to come down from 1.1-1.3 it will be much easier than coming down from 3 in March.

The bottom line is we all just need to be careful with social distancing

[Vanessa]

we have such a long winter ahead, there is the possibility of things being much worse if it were allowed to get out of control. In March the R rate was 3 across the UK. Now ( or last week, it was 1.1-1.3) So not even close to how it was in March, and it shows social distancing is working. All we need to do is bring the number under 1 and the infections will shrink again. As we only need to come down from 1.1-1.3 it will be much easier than coming down from 3 in March.

The bottom line is we all just need to be careful with social distancing

Yes, the r rate is so much lower than it was back march.
At the moment it's around 1.5.
So I'm confident that we can do it.
But they will need to reopen carefully and not too fast.

[Zizu]

I know, that's really scary. This virus is so dangerous!



So many are still not convinced ..

We were walking our dawg at weekend and got chatting to a couple in their 40’s who think it’s all a farce.

“ we know someone who died of a heart attack but they put Covid19 on the death certificate ! “


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[Vanessa]

So many are still not convinced ..

We were walking our dawg at weekend and got chatting to a couple in their 40’s who think it’s all a farce.

“ we know someone who died of a heart attack but they put Covid19 on the death certificate ! “


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I worry so much for my family back in Italy.
And I have a 10 year old nephew :sad:

[joeysteele]

He mentioned that England would be going back to the tiered restrictions though so the areas with the highest numbers will probably still be in a lockdown


Yes he did, I'm glad he said that too.

Obviously I'd support that, sadly too I can see the run up to Christmas and New Year having big problems in England however much I hope not.

[Vanessa]

Yes he did, I'm glad he said that too.

Obviously I'd support that, sadly too I can see the run up to Christmas and New Year having big problems in England however much I hope not.

Yeah, there will be a tiered system afterwards.
That's probably the best way to keep cases as low as possible.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

Three relatives of same family all die of COVID in same week...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/three-relatives-same-family-die-covid-same-week-105916169.html

[Zizu]

Has anyone seen any comparison per thousand of their relative populations of N. Ireland and the Rep of Ireland as regards infections / hospitalisations / recoveries and /or deaths ?




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[Beso]

As a self employed person, one who has worked all the way through this, without receiving anything from the government during my first 4 months of self employment...


Can I now sit on my arse for 4 months on 80 percent of my average profits for those 4 months I've worked.?

[user104658]

As a self employed person, one who has worked all the way through this, without receiving anything from the government during my first 4 months of self employment...


Can I now sit on my arse for 4 months on 80 percent of my average profits for those 4 months I've worked.?I would imagine it's your average profits as per your last HMRC tax return. I dunno how it would work for people who are more recently self-employed and don't have a tax return for previous years.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

The papers keep going on about the cases levelling off at 25k, I think rather than that, it's the ceiling of our current testing abilities

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/06/01/35317726-8918183-image-a-27_1604627072015.jpg
[Crowds of undergraduates at Manchester University
trampled on the barrier and set off flairs
in the Fallowfield area of the city]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8918183/Coronavirus-UK-Students-Manchester-claim-penned-metal-fences.html


So the Council
put a fence up to stop outsiders going in.
They took some of it down
It will now be removed.

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/06/01/35317726-8918183-image-a-27_1604627072015.jpg
[Crowds of undergraduates at Manchester University
trampled on the barrier and set off flairs
in the Fallowfield area of the city]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8918183/Coronavirus-UK-Students-Manchester-claim-penned-metal-fences.html


So the Council
put a fence up to stop outsiders going in.
They took some of it down
It will now be removed.

Bring them back this morning to put the fence back up

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmGC77OUYAAqSSK?format=jpg&name=small

more scaremongering

[Cherie]

I would imagine it's your average profits as per your last HMRC tax return. I dunno how it would work for people who are more recently self-employed and don't have a tax return for previous years.

For those who are self employed and have not yet completed a tax return, they have fallen through the net

[Cherie]

As a self employed person, one who has worked all the way through this, without receiving anything from the government during my first 4 months of self employment...


Can I now sit on my arse for 4 months on 80 percent of my average profits for those 4 months I've worked.?

Only if you have a tax reurn with HMRC, also its capped at 2,500 per month, and if your place of work has been closed

[AnnieK]

3rd period of isolation for my son now. Don't know what these other parents of kids in his class are doing.....the most he has been in school continuously from September is 2 weeks, this time he has done 4 days :bawling:

[Vanessa]

3rd period of isolation for my son now. Don't know what these other parents of kids in his class are doing.....the most he has been in school continuously from September is 2 weeks, this time he has done 4 days :bawling:

I think they should close the schools for the lockdown.
It's just not safe at the moment.
Very scary time, I have a 10 year old nephew who still goes to school. :sad:

[arista]

Yesterdays Results (were not updated yesterday)

5/11/20 24,141 Tested for Covid-19 confirmed

5/11/30 378 have Died

Patients in hospital
12,949

Patients on ventilation
1,191

The Site has changed and is worse

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

tbh it takes a while before you see effects of the lockdown, few weeks later i guess

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Quick Tests available for Health Care workers, School Staff, and also at police stations, and day care centres


as for the fireworks ban update on that: national police force requests a temporary fireworks ban before the end of this year, which we get a answer from our parliament in 2 weeks from now (must go into a vote by our mp's)

[Cherie]

The last laugh is on the panic shopper, just been out to Sainsburys and its fully stocked, including toilet roll, eggs, flour, fruit and veg and the dreaded pasta

[Cherie]

3rd period of isolation for my son now. Don't know what these other parents of kids in his class are doing.....the most he has been in school continuously from September is 2 weeks, this time he has done 4 days :bawling:

Are the kids testing positive? Or are they being overly cautious, My sons had a straight run at College apart from one day they needed a deep clean

[user104658]

The last laugh is on the panic shopper, just been out to Sainsburys and its fully stocked, including toilet roll, eggs, flour, fruit and veg and the dreaded pasta

Our local Tesco's toilet roll aisle has been full to bursting since May. I think they over-compensated when it was all running out constantly and most Supermarkets now have a mountain of these things (toilet roll, pasta, rice etc.) in their back store rooms.

[Cherie]

Our local Tesco's toilet roll aisle has been full to bursting since May. I think they over-compensated when it was all running out constantly and most Supermarkets now have a mountain of these things (toilet roll, pasta, rice etc.) in their back store rooms.

Lierally, the fruit and veg aisle were heaving, and they had TR along the top shelf where people cant reach almost trolling :joker:

[user104658]

For those who are self employed and have not yet completed a tax return, they have fallen through the net

Shame for the poor tradies who have been under-reporting their profits by claiming that half of it is gambling winnings, too :hee:. The pitfalls of small-scale money laundering...

[Strictly Jake]

3rd period of isolation for my son now. Don't know what these other parents of kids in his class are doing.....the most he has been in school continuously from September is 2 weeks, this time he has done 4 days :bawling:

My daughter got sent home the week before they broke up for the holidays so shw got 2 whole weeks off because on of the support staff was tested positive. She went back to school on tuesday and has been in all week but im wondering how long it will be before she gets sent home again

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shame for the poor tradies who have been under-reporting their profits by claiming that half of it is gambling winnings, too :hee:. The pitfalls of small-scale money laundering...

There a lot of retired people who buy at auction and supplement their state pension buy selling at fairs, booties and have buy-it-now stalls at antiques centres and auction houses. When we locked-down their income stopped and they got no help. I am sure that is replicated widely in other spheres. Even if they do declare it to the taxman the help form the govt would have been useless as they rely on a weekly income and not a fraction of earnings 2wice in 6 months.

But in general imagine Mr Brown who needs to buy a torch and say some screws. Normally he nips down to the local hardware store. In lockdown all he can now do is buy it from the richest man in the world (amazon)

nice

:idc:

[Cherie]

Shame for the poor tradies who have been under-reporting their profits by claiming that half of it is gambling winnings, too :hee:. The pitfalls of small-scale money laundering...

It only affects people who have recently become self employed and they can literally be any profession, small ebay shops, wedding photographers etc, its very difficult to under report profits unless you get paid cash which hardly anyone does these days, surprised at your attitude tbh, there are people in dire situations out there, its not really a laughing matter imo

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElkWieOXUAAtv6s?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElkWieOX0AAh038?format=jpg&name=small

[AnnieK]

Are the kids testing positive? Or are they being overly cautious, My sons had a straight run at College apart from one day they needed a deep clean

School say they are testing positive then each time we get an email from public health england to say he is a close contact of a positive case. Weirdly its his year group every time, no other classes have been out except for one and that was because the child in my sons class who was positive had a sibling in yr 2 so they isolated that class too

[Beso]

****

[user104658]

It only affects people who have recently become self employed and they can literally be any profession, small ebay shops, wedding photographers etc, its very difficult to under report profits unless you get paid cash which hardly anyone does these days, surprised at your attitude tbh, there are people in dire situations out there, its not really a laughing matter imoI'm just pointing out that people who have been under reporting profits (dodging tax) for years will only get 80% of what they reported as profits, rather than 80% of their actual income. It's not uncommon, and somewhat karmic. Also only affects people who fiddled their taxes with small-scale money laundering so hard to sympathise.

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

7,272 new cases (slight increase compared to yesterday)

180 new hospitalisations (81 less than yesterday) (2,445 in total)

33 new ICU patients (2 less than yesterday) (603 in total)

118 new deaths (yesterday that were 87)

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/20/11/768x432/skynews-coronavirus-liverpool_5163060.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20201106123859

The Army are busy in Liverpool
doing the fast 15mins test.

Any that are infected are sent for the longer wait test
to make sure.


Ref: ITV1HDnews


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-618-700-people-had-covid-19-in-england-last-week-ons-says-12125334

[Cherie]

I'm just pointing out that people who have been under reporting profits (dodging tax) for years will only get 80% of what they reported as profits, rather than 80% of their actual income. It's not uncommon, and somewhat karmic. Also only affects people who fiddled their taxes with small-scale money laundering so hard to sympathise.

You referred to ‘tradies’ construction is open as it was back in first lockdown, the only difference is this time trades people can come to your house, so no ‘tradies’ will be claiming as their jobs have not closed, and what can be claimed as profits are capped so they are not earning 80 per of profit at all?

And the idea that people can claim cash in the bank is a gambling win is the stuff of fantasy, you have to account for all income, however you came by it with actual proof

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1324743921520549890/Y4O5IGou?format=jpg&name=small

Liverpool Today

Hundreds of people have formed queues outside
testing centres in Liverpool as the city’s new pilot scheme begins.

[arista]

Today 355 have died

23,287 Have Tested for Covid-19 today

Patients on ventilation
1,181

Patients in hospital
12,999


48,475 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
You can enter your Postcode on this link now

[bots]

France has recorded 60,486 coronavirus cases in one day, its highest one-day total since the pandemic began.

The new figures bring the number of confirmed cases in the country to 1.7 million, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

A further 828 deaths were confirmed on Friday. Almost 40,000 people have now died from the virus in the country.

France is one week into a second lockdown with the aim of curbing the spread of the virus.

[Crimson Dynamo]

R RATE DECLINES IN FIVE OUT OF SEVEN REGIONS OF ENGLAND
SAGE's official estimate of the coronavirus reproduction rate was published today and saw it decline in five out of England's seven regions.

The overall rates for the UK and England stayed the same as last week at a range of between 1.1 and 1.3, after dropping from 1.2-1.4 two weeks ago.

DM

good news

[Crimson Dynamo]

Experts say peak of second wave 'has already PASSED': Scientists further undermine need for national lockdown as study finds R rate is 1 and cases are falling in the North and Scotland

The second wave of coronavirus ripping through the UK has already peaked, top scientists have suggested after Downing Street rejected calls to end or cut short England's national lockdown insisting it will run for 26 more days.

One scientist said there were 'positive signs' the peak of the second wave had passed, while another praised the Tiered system saying it had driven the virus 'down' in 'Tier Three areas like Liverpool'. A third added that the latest data indicated the second wave had 'stabalised'.

A swathe of data published yesterday revealed Covid-19 infection rates were already falling across the country before ministers lost their nerve and ordered the shutters to be pulled down again.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8923709/Scientists-undermine-need-national-lockdown-say-second-wave-peaked.html

Good news

[Nicky91]

Experts say peak of second wave 'has already PASSED': Scientists further undermine need for national lockdown as study finds R rate is 1 and cases are falling in the North and Scotland

The second wave of coronavirus ripping through the UK has already peaked, top scientists have suggested after Downing Street rejected calls to end or cut short England's national lockdown insisting it will run for 26 more days.

One scientist said there were 'positive signs' the peak of the second wave had passed, while another praised the Tiered system saying it had driven the virus 'down' in 'Tier Three areas like Liverpool'. A third added that the latest data indicated the second wave had 'stabalised'.

A swathe of data published yesterday revealed Covid-19 infection rates were already falling across the country before ministers lost their nerve and ordered the shutters to be pulled down again.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8923709/Scientists-undermine-need-national-lockdown-say-second-wave-peaked.html

Good news

Dailyfail's usual bunch of lies

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1324736823764094976

France's Macron had a video meeting with WHO's director-general Tedros

[Cherie]

Experts say peak of second wave 'has already PASSED': Scientists further undermine need for national lockdown as study finds R rate is 1 and cases are falling in the North and Scotland

The second wave of coronavirus ripping through the UK has already peaked, top scientists have suggested after Downing Street rejected calls to end or cut short England's national lockdown insisting it will run for 26 more days.

One scientist said there were 'positive signs' the peak of the second wave had passed, while another praised the Tiered system saying it had driven the virus 'down' in 'Tier Three areas like Liverpool'. A third added that the latest data indicated the second wave had 'stabalised'.

A swathe of data published yesterday revealed Covid-19 infection rates were already falling across the country before ministers lost their nerve and ordered the shutters to be pulled down again.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8923709/Scientists-undermine-need-national-lockdown-say-second-wave-peaked.html

Good news

I think Bojo paniced, they cant do right for doing wrong whatever they do, it doesn’t feel like a lockdown tbh, just feels like normal :laugh:

[AnnieK]

I think Bojo paniced, they cant do right for doing wrong whatever they do, it doesn’t feel like a lockdown tbh, just feels like normal :laugh:

Agree, literally nothing seems to have changed here other than restaurants closing. We haven't been able to mix households since August (although lots have), the roads are just as busy as they have been and infections are dropping across most GM boroughs (probably because of the local restrictions). I think the Scientists gave Boris a doomsday projection with out of date data and as Cherie said they panicked.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/healthcare-workers-get-fast-coronavirus-test-priority-at-work/

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/new-coronavirus-cases-rise-slightly-but-hospital-admissions-fall-again/

latest dutch corona news, in english

[bots]

if the R rate comes down under 1 in england then it will have been worth it i think

[Cherie]

if the R rate comes down under 1 in england then it will have been worth it i think

I don’t think it’s a bad think in all honesty, feel for the independent shops with no online presence, I believe you can click and collect at any that do and don’t deliver

[bots]

i can see us having another lockdown around february to get us through the worst until April, which kind of ties in with furlough being extended to march

[user104658]

I think essentially, closing non-essential retail has been proven not to be necessary, even in winter conditions, so long as people stick with other Tier 3 measures. The restrictions imposed across the Scottish central belt early on appear to have worked well without needing to go further. They could have been imposed a little earlier, even (as soon as there was an indication of rising cases) and would have been even more effective.

[bots]

I think essentially, closing non-essential retail has been proven not to be necessary, even in winter conditions, so long as people stick with other Tier 3 measures. The restrictions imposed across the Scottish central belt early on appear to have worked well without needing to go further. They could have been imposed a little earlier, even (as soon as there was an indication of rising cases) and would have been even more effective.

it all boils down to people social distancing, if they did that, there wouldn't need to be any restrictions. Simply put, the tier system and then lockdown applies incrementally more psychological pressure to comply. In Scotland people have taken notice at an earlier pressure level and is seeing the benefits.

[user104658]

In Scotland people have taken notice at an earlier pressure level and is seeing the benefits.

The difference between an authoritative and an authoritarian style of government, IMO. Similar to parenting I guess :joker:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The difference between an authoritative and an authoritarian style of government, IMO. Similar to parenting I guess :joker:.

My Turkish barber (price in March £9, August £10..now £13:shocked:) says its better in Scotland as we are more responsible about wearing a mask.

[Zizu]

I think Bojo paniced, they cant do right for doing wrong whatever they do, it doesn’t feel like a lockdown tbh, just feels like normal :laugh:


The stats suggest you’re correct
The traffic rate reduced by 15% the day after the first lockdown .. this time the rate the day after reduced by ..... 3% !!


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[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

6,689 new cases

248 new hospitalisations (2384 in total)

37 new ICU patients (602 in total)

73 new deaths (yesterday that were 118) average death count of last week is ''81''

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1325084815775969285

meanwhile other than elections in the US

[Crimson Dynamo]

14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100 000 (as of today)

UK 474.3

NETHERLANDS 724.2

FRANCE 926.4

BELGIUM 1497.3

[arista]

24,957 Have tested for Covid-19

Today 413 have died.

Patients on ventilation
1,185

Patients in hospital
12,949



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/0iY76KGUDodPIUl0542ZWg/https/media.fyre.co/T9wgPB2jQBK1UecVkmUd_0811%20Mail.JPG

[arista]

Nations above 10,000 Covid-19 deaths

236,856 USA deaths
162,015 Brazil deaths
125,562 India deaths
94,323 Mexico deaths
48,978 United Kingdom deaths
41,063 Italy deaths
40,220 France deaths
38,833 Spain deaths
37,832 Iran deaths
34,783 Peru deaths
33,136 Argentina deaths
32,595 Colombia deaths
30,010 Russia deaths
19,789 South Africa deaths
14,540 Indonesia deaths
14,499 Chile deaths
12,815 Ecuador deaths
12,708 Belgium deaths
11,283 Iraq deaths
11,254 Germany deaths
10,803 Turkey deaths
10,529 Canada deaths


Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Kizzy]

For such a small country our death toll is shocking :(

[arista]

For such a small country our death toll is shocking :(

Yes High Population.

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Supermarkets shut off parts of stores
following government advice to limit access to 'non-essentials']

Tesco and Sainsburys

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-supermarkets-shut-off-parts-of-stores-following-government-advice-to-limit-access-to-non-essentials-12126532

[Zizu]

Yes High Population.



And dense ( both meanings )


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[arista]

And dense ( both meanings )


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Yes its getting worse

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmTbECBW4AAj9HV?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Patients on ventilation
1,185

Patients in hospital
12,949

Today
156 have died
49,044 Total Deaths.

20,572 Have been tested for Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

[Zizu]

Patients on ventilation

1,185



Patients in hospital

12,949



Today

156 have died

49,044 Total Deaths.



20,572 Have been tested for Covid-19



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths



50,000 deaths soon approaching .. :(


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[Cherie]

14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100 000 (as of today)

UK 474.3

NETHERLANDS 724.2

FRANCE 926.4

BELGIUM 1497.3

This looks positive for UK

Poor Belgium :sad:

[Niamh.]

Why has Belgium been so bad through all this I wonder?

[arista]

Why has Belgium been so bad through all this I wonder?



I think Nicky knows
like his nation so many
will not put a mask on.....

[MTVN]

Suppose they get a lot of international travel due to their location and their importance as a political hub, its also quite a densely populated country

[Kizzy]

Wow Belgium is shocking and it's Sunday so expect the figures as most weekends are slightly higher than recorded :/

[bots]

Belgium were the worst in europe in March too, they simply cant be social distancing

I dread to think what the infection rate will be in the USA in a weeks time after the crowds that descended to celebrate

[Vanessa]

I think things here in the UK are already looking better.
I hope people will keep social distancing after the lockdown ends.

[MTVN]

Belgium were the worst in europe in March too, they simply cant be social distancing

I dread to think what the infection rate will be in the USA in a weeks time after the crowds that descended to celebrate

Are people inherently worse or better at social distancing depending on location/country? I don't think so tbh, I think there's wider factors at play

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/S0nEUIgozcB7Cy-Zl8uPEA/https/media.fyre.co/kj8TvQOrRPW8BFoL7X5a_0911%20Times.JPG

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/168F2/production/_115320429_mirror-nc.png

[arista]

Live 5PM
The Prime Minister.


[Its a 2 Part Vaccine
2 weeks later part 2.

Also it has to be kept very Cold
lower than a normal fridge.]

[Nicky91]

I think Nicky knows
like his nation so many
will not put a mask on.....

yes there still is no mask requirement yet either here in Netherlands


as for Belgium idk, they prefer other measures than face masks

[Smithy]

What’s the announcement about this evening?

[arista]

What’s the announcement about this evening?


The Vaccine

[arista]

On Now.


All media


And Professor J.Van Tam
and a Military man Brigadier Joe Fossey

Vaccine tested on 40,000.

[arista]

Now its the Brigadier

Talking about the 19 sites in Liverpool.


The Fast test result is sent to your Email or Tex on your phone.

[arista]

Typical of the DM reporter
to ask about Trump.

Johnson PM : would not answer that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

has he apologised for lying by 50% to justify the England lockdown 2?

[arista]

21,350 New Cases of Covid-19


Patients admitted
Daily
1,533

Patients on ventilation
1,185

Today 194 have died.

49,063 Covid-19 Total Deaths UK

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
You can put your postcode in on the above link

[Cherie]

has he apologised for lying by 50% to justify the England lockdown 2?

Wasn’t he forced into it by someone leaking numbers

[Vanessa]

I've just been to the town centre to do my food shopping.
Everything looks pretty much the same.
Restaurants are closed, but the takeaways are all open.
Also, found some panettone in Wilko.
I'm happy :laugh:

[Zizu]

On Now.


All media


And Professor J.Van Tam
and a Military man Brigadier Joe Fossey

Vaccine tested on 40,000.



There was an expert on Sky about two hours ago giving his take on the vaccine.. he was more cautious than the headlines .. I’m sure he mentioned something about the vaccine was only tested on 97 people and only a week ago so toon soon to come to any reliable conclusions.. the interviewer definitely said “it seems like a very small number to base a conclusion on”

Was anyone listening closer than I was ??


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[bots]

There was an expert on Sky about two hours ago giving his take on the vaccine.. he was more cautious than the headlines .. I’m sure he mentioned something about the vaccine was only tested on 97 people and only a week ago so toon soon to come to any reliable conclusions.. the interviewer definitely said “it seems like a very small number to base a conclusion on”

Was anyone listening closer than I was ??


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43000 were in the trial world wide

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/172D/production/_115333950_express-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/9685/production/_115333583_guardian-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/654D/production/_115333952_the-times-nc.png

[Kizzy]

has he apologised for lying by 50% to justify the England lockdown 2?

What was the alternative to the lock down?

[Zizu]

43000 were in the trial world wide



I wonder why the interviewer was suggesting it was a very small number ! ??


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[Cherie]

I wonder why the interviewer was suggesting it was a very small number ! ??


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They had 44,000 people in trials across 6 countries and 22,000 were given the vaccine and the other 22,000 a placebo

[AnnieK]

I wonder why the interviewer was suggesting it was a very small number ! ??


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Could they have been talking about one of the vaccines we are developing here?

[Vanessa]

Great news about the vaccine.
It would be amazing for life to get back to how it was.
Imagine being able to go to a concert or to finally travel for your holidays. :flutter:

[user104658]

Honestly I think this is reckless reporting; we have no idea how effective this or any other vaccine will be until its actually in meaningful use.

Its cause for cautious optimism but as usual the press go to 1000% straight away and announce "everything normal by spring!!"... Which frankly is extremely unlikely.

Its especially reckless because now you'll have a nice new chunk of people getting sloppy with taking precautions "because it's cured now!" :idc:

[Vanessa]

Honestly I think this is reckless reporting; we have no idea how effective this or any other vaccine will be until its actually in meaningful use.

Its cause for cautious optimism but as usual the press go to 1000% straight away and announce "everything normal by spring!!"... Which frankly is extremely unlikely.

Its especially reckless because now you'll have a nice new chunk of people getting sloppy with taking precautions "because it's cured now!" :idc:
Matt Hancock just said that it's 90% effective.
They just need to make sure it's safe before rolling it out.

[Vanessa]

The reporter on Good morning Britain running after Matt Hancock.
You just needed the Benny Hill music to it :joker:

[bots]

there are many questions not answered like how effective it is on elderly people or if it even suitable for their use. How long does it provide immunity for. These are very important unanswered questions.

The good news is that there are a whole load of vaccines progressing through testing and these will be reaching the same stage over the coming weeks, but saying people will start to be immunised by christmas is bringing false hope to people. It will all help come next winter, but wont have any effect before April

[user104658]

Matt Hancock just said that it's 90% effective.

They just need to make sure it's safe before rolling it out.It appears to be 90% effective in trials. They have no idea how effective it is in mass use, nor how long protection lasts.

Like I said, cause for cautious optimism but it's being hailed as a eureka "it's all over" moment and that's just not realistic. Life will not be anything close to back to normal by spring. Maybe spring 2022 in time for my ML win? But not spring 2021.

[Vanessa]

It appears to be 90% effective in trials. They have no idea how effective it is in mass use, nor how long protection lasts.

Like I said, cause for cautious optimism but it's being hailed as a eureka "it's all over" moment and that's just not realistic. Life will not be anything close to back to normal by spring. Maybe spring 2022 in time for my ML win? But not spring 2021.

Yeah, we'll have to wait and see if it's safe.
Life may not be back to normal yet, but the vaccine will protect those in the vulnerable category.

[Zizu]

Could they have been talking about one of the vaccines we are developing here?



Quite possibly ..


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[Cherie]

Honestly I think this is reckless reporting; we have no idea how effective this or any other vaccine will be until its actually in meaningful use.

Its cause for cautious optimism but as usual the press go to 1000% straight away and announce "everything normal by spring!!"... Which frankly is extremely unlikely.

Its especially reckless because now you'll have a nice new chunk of people getting sloppy with taking precautions "because it's cured now!" :idc:

That is what the press have done throughout the pandemic, why stop now?

[joeysteele]

Matt Hancock just said that it's 90% effective.
They just need to make sure it's safe before rolling it out.

I agree with TS as to cautious optimism.

It is signs of a major probable breakthrough so very welcome.

I'm afraid however, I wouldn't trust a word that comes from Hancock's mouth.

Yes however, let us hope this will be one of, if not 'the' breakthrough needed in this virus.

Massive credit and all hopeful wishes to the scientists working round the clock to find some effective way of dealing with this vile virus.

Fingers crossed but still with caution for me until more time has passed to learn much more from the results of the trials of this vaccine

[Vanessa]

I agree with TS as to cautious optimism.

It is signs of a major probable breakthrough so very welcome.

I'm afraid however, I wouldn't trust a word that comes from Hancock's mouth.

Yes however, let us hope this will be one of, if not 'the' breakthrough needed in this virus.

Massive credit and all hopeful wishes to the scientists working round the clock to find some effective way of dealing with this vile virus.

Fingers crossed but still with caution for me until more time has passed to learn much more from the results of the trials of this vaccine

It will take some time to make sure it's safe.
But it will protect the most vulnerable and I'm very happy about that.
Of course life won't get back to normal yet, but things are finally looking up.

[Cherie]

Quite possibly ..


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The 94 number refers to the number that went on to get covid after vaccination

[arista]

Dido Harding
is Live both news channels
talking about her Test and Trace
Live in Westminster halls.

[user104658]

The 94 number refers to the number that went on to get covid after vaccination

So,

44000 were in the trial

22000 got a placebo, of this group 94 went on to catch Covid.

22000 got the real vaccine, of this group 5 went on to catch Covid.


This is how they arrive at the figure of 90% effective.

It's a very good sign and I think it's evident that the protection is good. I think it would take a larger study to accurately show a true %age, though, as that 90% alters significantly if even, say, 7 or 8 of group 2 had got it. I think it's fairly certain that it's well above 75% though.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emc9tcuWMAIXbDd?format=jpg&name=small

[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emc9tcuWMAIXbDd?format=jpg&name=small



On the face of it ... it does look promising but don’t they usually take 7 years from start to finish to get a NEW drug on the market !!?

How on earth can they know or even estimate any LONG TERM side effects ?


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[Samm]

On the face of it ... it does look promising but don’t they usually take 7 years from start to finish to get a NEW drug on the market !!?

How on earth can they know or even estimate any LONG TERM side effects ?


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There’s never been a whole worldwide effort to get a vaccine before. And the fact that scientific developed has massively improved since the last pandemic over hundred years ago.

[bots]

the trial numbers will be much larger when reported at the end of this month, so that will give a clearer picture

[Nicky91]

On the face of it ... it does look promising but don’t they usually take 7 years from start to finish to get a NEW drug on the market !!?

How on earth can they know or even estimate any LONG TERM side effects ?


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indeed, our medical expert on corona, doctor Diederik Gommers who's for us dutch at the frontline he also questions why they do bring this out into the media this early, and he would want to see scientific data first, and it being studied thoroughly

[Cherie]

So,

44000 were in the trial

22000 got a placebo, of this group 94 went on to catch Covid.

22000 got the real vaccine, of this group 5 went on to catch Covid.


This is how they arrive at the figure of 90% effective.

It's a very good sign and I think it's evident that the protection is good. I think it would take a larger study to accurately show a true %age, though, as that 90% alters significantly if even, say, 7 or 8 of group 2 had got it. I think it's fairly certain that it's well above 75% though.

Were the 97 from the two groups? they didn’t specify as all went about their daily lives

[user104658]

Were the 97 from the two groups? they didn’t specify as all went about their daily lives

They had to do it "naturally" (i.e. have a vaccinated group and a control group and then just let them go about their normal business and see what happened) for ethical reasons in this case because of Covid being potentially fatal.

There would be MUCH more robust data if you could deliberately expose all 44000 participants to Covid and see how many vaccinated individuals were infected vs the unvaccinated control group.

But yeah... there would be over 100 deaths in a best-case-scenario* there so for obvious reasons, we can't do it that way.

*(Best case scenario being all of the vaccinated group being immune, and about 3/4 of the unvaccinated group being infected, so around 15000 total cases)

[Nicky91]

numbers here keep dropping

Netherlands

4,695 new cases (average number of positive tests is 6,232 in last 7 days)

258 new hospitalisations (2,295 in total)

39 new ICU patients (598 in total)

98 new deaths (58 more than yesterday)

[arista]

[Poole shop Happy Buddha fined £2,000
for opening during Covid lockdown]

[Council officials say they issued a fixed penalty
notice after the business owner failed to
follow guidance and advice offered.]


He is not essential
and he said he will not pay the £2,000 Fine?

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/18858635.poole-shop-fined-opening-covid-lockdown/

He has 2 shops facing £1,000 fine.

Should they Jail him?

[Cherie]

[Poole shop Happy Buddha fined £2,000
for opening during Covid lockdown]

[Council officials say they issued a fixed penalty
notice after the business owner failed to
follow guidance and advice offered.]


He is not essential
and he said he will not pay the £2,000 Fine?

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/18858635.poole-shop-fined-opening-covid-lockdown/

Should they Jail him?

They will send the bailiffs to take goods to that amount if he doesn't cough up :shrug:

[arista]

They will send the bailiffs to take goods to that amount if he doesn't cough up :shrug:


But what if it does not reach £2,000?

[Zizu]

But what if it does not reach £2,000?



Make him listen to a Little Mix CD ..


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[bots]

But what if it does not reach £2,000?

it will go to court and he may well end up with a worse penalty and a criminal record

[arista]

Coronavirus: Rapid testing schemes are being rolled
out in 66 areas - find out if yours is on the list:


Barking and Dagenham
Bexley
Birmingham
Blackburn and Darwen
Blackpool
Bolton
Brent
Bristol
Bury
Calderdale
Camden
City of London
County Durham
Coventry
Darlington
Doncaster
Dudley
East Riding of Yorkshire
Enfield
Essex
Gateshead
Greenwich
Hackney
Halton
Hammersmith and Fulham
Hartlepool
Hertfordshire
Kingston upon Hull
Islington
Kensington and Chelsea
Kingston upon Thames
Knowsley
Lambeth
Lewisham
Luton
Manchester
Middlesborough
Newcastle upon Tyne
Newham
North Tyneside
Northumberland
Nottingham City
Nottinghamshire
Oldham
Redbridge
Redcar and Cleveland
Richmond upon Thames
Rochdale
Salford
Sefton
South Tyneside
Southwark
St Helen's
Staffordshire
Stockport
Stockton-on-Tees
Sunderland
Tameside
Tower Hamlets
Trafford
Wakefield
Waltham Forest
Wandsworth
Warrington
Wigan
Wirral
Wolverhampton


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-rapid-testing-schemes-are-being-rolled-out-in-66-areas-find-out-if-yours-is-on-the-list-12129221

[Josy]

The schools in North Lanarkshire are absolutely riddled with cases including primaries and family centres and the local councils have been caught trying to fiddle the numbers to make it look better than it is :omgno:

[Vanessa]

The schools in North Lanarkshire are absolutely riddled with cases including primaries and family centres and the local councils have been caught trying to fiddle the numbers to make it look better than it is :omgno:

They need to close the schools and universities.
At least during the lockdown.

[bots]

The schools in North Lanarkshire are absolutely riddled with cases including primaries and family centres and the local councils have been caught trying to fiddle the numbers to make it look better than it is :omgno:

there has to be a real danger of this happening if the results are collected regionally and someone in charge happens to own a business that could be seriously affected by bad numbers

[AnnieK]

The schools in North Lanarkshire are absolutely riddled with cases including primaries and family centres and the local councils have been caught trying to fiddle the numbers to make it look better than it is :omgno:

Are they sending the kids home to isolate Josy? My lad is on his 3rd period of isolation. He's spent more time at home than he has in school. Its a joke

[arista]

Patients in hospital
13,617

Patients on ventilation
1,268


532 have died today
49,777 Total UK deaths

20,412 Have tested for Covid-19 today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Josy]

Are they sending the kids home to isolate Josy? My lad is on his 3rd period of isolation. He's spent more time at home than he has in school. Its a jokeYes lots are isolating from each if the schools apparently.

A lot of parents on the community pages are saying the same as you the kids just return from isolation then get sent home again due to new cases.

[Zizu]

Yes lots are isolating from each if the schools apparently.

A lot of parents on the community pages are saying the same as you the kids just return from isolation then get sent home again due to new cases.



Let’s be honest here.. teenagers send home from school simply just meet up with their friends as usual .. the majority of people are just not taking things seriously .


Remember the day after this lockdown the traffic count was reduced by .... 3% !!






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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

I don't wanna be a doom sayer or anything like that, but Boris did say don't get your hopes too high (which the papers are ignoring cause that doesnt sell, til it does)

[Cherie]

Didn’t like the Pfizer guy saying licence it quickly or lose your contract, it’s a contract isn’t it, so maybe you will be sued, alarm bells ringing on that one for me

[bots]

there will be choices of vaccine if we wait a few short weeks. When they start comparing the benefits of one vs another, then is the time to think about making a decision on it

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1326457479375572994

[arista]

(Both News Channels Live)
Downing St.
Now has a Group of Proff.
and Dr Van Tam

Talking to all the press.


About the Vaccine.

[Nicky91]

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-54895114

Some live-in maids in Spain have been forbidden from leaving their employers houses during the coronavirus pandemic.

The union that represents them has heard from around 100 women who say they have been kept locked inside for months. It says that live-in maids were already often being treated like “modern-day slaves” in the country and that lockdown has made things worse.

Domestic workers are more at risk of being exploited and abused, as they don’t have the same legal rights as other workers.

At least 22,000 have been fired since the start of the pandemic, according to the Spanish government.

Europe correspondent Jean Mackenzie has spoken to live-in maids about their experiences. Two of them, who we call Isabella and Maria, have had their names changed to protect their identity.

This report was filmed during a local easing of Covid-19 rules.

[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

5,424 new cases (738 more than yesterday)

258 new hospitalisations (81 more than yesterday, 2,295 in total)

39 new ICU patients (in total nothing confirmed as of yet due to a error)

76 new deaths (yesterday that were 97)

[Strictly Jake]

Patients in hospital
13,617

Patients on ventilation
1,268


532 have died today
49,777 Total UK deaths

20,412 Have tested for Covid-19 today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Blimey thats high!

[arista]

Blimey thats high!

Yes yesterdays

[Strictly Jake]

Yes yesterdays

Dread to think what today will be

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emi4oT1XcAIdc6Q?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmiUOKBWMAIYlE3?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Dread to think what today will be


Yes Our Death Total has Gone over
50,000

595 have died

50,365


Both News Channels

[arista]

Patients in hospital
14,196

Patients on ventilation
1,219

22,950 have tested today with Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
on this link you enter your postcode

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-number-of-uk-coronavirus-deaths-passes-50-000-government-figures-show-12129783

[bots]

For those questioning if we should have gone into lockdown, 595 deaths a day and rising says yes