Coronavirus Outbreak

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The thing is its frequently half of what they said so it could get to 25000 daily cases still!

[arista]

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Now Gernany has the Anti lockdown Nutters

[Ammi]

Coronavirus: Every British adult could receive vaccine by Easter, government sources say...


Every adult in the UK could receive a coronavirus vaccination as early as Easter under plans to roll out the jab at record speeds, new reports suggest.

Scientists working on an inoculation at Oxford University are hoping it will be ready and approved by the end of this year.

Once that is done, government officials believe they will be able to get the vaccine to all 53 million British adults in less than six months and potentially as quick as three.

The plans will see an army of midwives, nurses, physiotherapists and other health professionals seconded and trained up to give the jab, The Times reports. Drive-thru vaccine centres will be created with the military also called in to help.

"We are looking at closer to six months and it is likely to be far shorter than that," a government source told the newspaper.

Yet the optimism – sounded during an apparently anonymous briefing – is not universally felt.

A Royal Society report has already suggested it could take up to a year to successfully distribute a dose of any successful vaccine to the entire population.

Calculations show that, if the country’s 53 million adults were all to be vaccinated with two doses within six months, it would mean 600,000 jabs being given every single day.

To do the same in three months would require 1.2 million doses a day – a logistical target that many believe is simply beyond the realms of the possible.

Should a more targeted roll out take place, it is thought care home residents and staff will be the first to receive the vaccine followed by those aged over 80 and NHS staff.

After that, it will be the over 65s, followed by younger adults deemed to be high risk.

The vaccination itself will most likely be that being developed at Oxford with pharmaceutical giant Astrazeneca but the roll-out scheme could be applied to any one of a number of potential candidates once proven successful.


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-every-british-adult-could-102938999.html

[DouglasS]

First September, then December.. now Easter.. I bet it’ll be by first half of next year after that.. then finally before autumn and winter in September for when truly the vaccine will be ready

I understand giving people hope of a life almost back to normality, but I won’t beleive it/get my hopes up until I see it

[Nicky91]

today Netherlands numbers

3,972 new cases

741 in hospital, of which 156 on ICU (in total)

21 new deaths (yesterday that were 9 new deaths, so increase of 12)

[arista]

today Netherlands numbers

3,972 new cases

741 in hospital, of which 156 on ICU (in total)

21 new deaths (yesterday that were 9 new deaths, so increase of 12)


Your Government needs
to make Masks a legal requirement

[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

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Worth noting that is easier to keep in under control in a country with the population of 10m, despite being bigger than the UK

[Zizu]

We live in Gtr Manchester - extremely high infection rate but this evening there are TWO house parties in our quiet little cul de sac .. a group of 16 /17 year olds and two doors down a group of mid twenties.

They should all know better but they just don’t care .. it’s annoying / frustrating/ sad in equal measures. :(


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[user104658]

Worth noting that is easier to keep in under control in a country with the population of 10m, despite being bigger than the UKTbh the sad truth is that they're simply a lot healthier than we are, and this more able to take the hit of a new virus. The general health of the UK (and US of course) is in relative terms absolutely shocking. Our over 70's are often not trim in-shape people out walking, cycling and eating their omega-3's... they're overweight, or underweight, with long term health conditions and already on fistfuls of medication for type-2 diabetes and/or blood pressure issues.

Thats just the uncomfortable reality.

[arista]

Today 49 died. (only England)

12,872 New Covid-19 Cases

Patients in hospital
2,428

42,317 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[reece(:]

There’s an error in the cases apparently the government ****ed up the figures. :joker:

[Zizu]

Today 49 died. (only England)

12,872 New Covid-19 Cases

Patients in hospital
2,428

42,317 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Nearly 13,000 !!

Weekend figures are always LOW !?!?


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[reece(:]

nearly 13,000 !!

Weekend figures are always low !?!?


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[arista]

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[Strictly Jake]

I cant believe we all liked Stanley when he was in the jungle. Everything he has done since had made me view him as an ignorant nob. Its no wonder he raised a son like Boris

[arista]

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Bound to happen
as Covid-19
is halting Cinema's earning money.

https://news.sky.com/story/cineworld-to-close-all-cinemas-in-the-uk-and-ireland-this-week-12089500


[Cineworld will close all of its cinemas in the UK, Ireland and US
this week because of the impact of coronavirus,
a Reuters news agency source has said.
It follows the announcement that upcoming
Bond film No Time To Die has been pushed back to April,
after it was set to appear in cinemas next month.
Earlier, The Sunday Times reported Cineworld could shut all
of its 128 UK and Ireland cinemas, putting up to 5,500 jobs at risk.]

[Lewismacfarlane]

I'm going to Blackpool on Friday hopefully

[arista]

I'm going to Blackpool on Friday hopefully


In a Car
would be best.

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Takeaway fined £1,000
for serving customer four minutes after 10pm curfew ]


Expensive 4 mins

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-takeaway-fined-1-000-for-serving-customer-four-minutes-after-10pm-curfew-12088877


Naughty Bim

[Bim's burger restaurant in Ilford, east London,
was given the fine after a COVID-19 enforcement team
saw a customer standing inside waiting
for his takeaway meal on Thursday.]


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We may get our mouth ready
but after 10PM you get your Wallet OUT

[bots]

To be fair, they deserved it for their name alone

[arista]

To be fair, they deserved it for their name alone


You are Bimming right

[arista]

770 students at Northumbria University test positive for coronavirus


[770 of its students have tested positive for Covid-19,
in one of the UK’s largest
single-site coronavirus outbreaks,
as other universities across the country reported
surging case numbers.
The Newcastle outbreak has taken the total number
of cases among students to more than 2,000
across 65 universities, with most testing positive in the last week.]


Why the hell can students not, just behave
and Follow Rules

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/oct/02/more-than-750-students-at-northumbria-university-test-positive-for-coronavirus

[DouglasS]

Test and trace contacted my flatmate today.. but on his 10th day (he is free from tomorrow), seems a bit late to contact someone 10 days after they got their positive test, surely they’d be very behind on tracing all of these people? They tried ringing me but I ignored it of course.

He is free tomorrow and so they could have called him whilst he was at the pub :laugh:

[arista]

Patients in hospital
2,428


22,961 New cases of Covid-19

33 Deaths today

42,350 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Liam-]

****show

[user104658]

I honestly don't think they have any idea what the current number is in England.

[Zizu]

Patients in hospital
2,428


22,961 New cases of Covid-19

33 Deaths today

42,350 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



23,000 ... holy krap ! !!


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[joeysteele]

23,000 ... holy krap ! !!


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16,00 have been somehow missed off previous figures.
So were added it seems.

Unbelievable.
There's no clue what to believe.

[Zizu]

16,00 have been somehow missed off previous figures.

So were added it seems.



Unbelievable.

There's no clue what to believe.



I thought they added the missing cases yesterday ??


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[Cherie]

Patients in hospital
2,428


22,961 New cases of Covid-19

33 Deaths today

42,350 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

The number of cases v deaths

How many are being hospitalised as the death rate is thankfully very low

[Scarlett.]

The number of cases v deaths

How many are being hospitalised as the death rate is thankfully very low

Keep in mind, it is Sunday, where the death count is always lower

[Cherie]

Keep in mind, it is Sunday, where the death count is always lower

Even so it would have to jump to 1000 to match April levels when infection rates were this high..or were they?

[joeysteele]

I thought they added the missing cases yesterday ??


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That was said Zizu, however it seems more have been found again.

So make of it what you can.
What an absolute mess this is.
Just beyond belief.

[Scarlett.]

Even so it would have to jump to 1000 to match April levels when infection rates were this high..or were they?

The infection rate was higher in April, but we didnt have the testing capacity (we still dont, but its improved)

[bots]

i'm confused, i thought there was a correction yesterday. they should show how much the correction is otherwise it is complete bollocks

[user104658]

Forbsome perspective, at previous peak, new infections per day were likely far above 100,000 per day.
I don't think these new cases numbers mean a whole lot. They still won't be accurate now. As always, the key figure is hospital admissions.

[user104658]

i'm confused, i thought there was a correction yesterday. they should show how much the correction is otherwise it is complete bollocksTo be fair to them, which I don't want to be, but alas we must; they did say yesterday to expect the numbers to be a ****show "over the next few days" due to the issue.

[arista]

i'm confused, i thought there was a correction yesterday. they should show how much the correction is otherwise it is complete bollocks



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[Ammi]

Leak reveals possible harsher three-tier Covid plan for England...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/leak-reveals-possible-harsher-three-182837242.html

[arista]

Leak reveals possible harsher three-tier Covid plan for England...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/leak-reveals-possible-harsher-three-182837242.html


Yes Front Page of Guardian
still just an idea, at the min.


Traffic Light System.

[bots]

i posted about the category idea a few days ago :laugh:

People need to stop listening to national restrictions and only take note of the region they are going to be in... then everything is very simple

[arista]

The Mess up on the lost covid results for a week
was due to Microsoft Excel and the limit of Lines /numbers
that can go on that program,
spreadsheet.


Ref : LBC.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8805697/Furious-blame-game-16-000-Covid-cases-missed-Excel-glitch.html

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201005/germany-to-start-widespread-coronavirus-testing-programme-in-care-homes

new testing plan in Germany to prevent more care home deaths


https://www.thelocal.de/20201004/german-anti-mask-rally-smaller-than-expected

Germany's anti-mask rally was smaller than expected

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

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What a pathetic response.
Is he for real, for goodness sake.

A failure in the system and all he can do is raise the issue of fines to people.

Totally beyond belief.

[arista]

What a pathetic response.
Is he for real, for goodness sake.

A failure in the system and all he can do is raise the issue of fines to people.

Totally beyond belief.


Its corrected now
Excel spreadsheet max.

[arista]

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For TS

[arista]

Rishi is Live on both news channels

Chancellor.


It was a Live broadcast - but it Froze, briefly.


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[arista]

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Wales thinking of getting Tough.

[arista]

Paris to shut all bars
on Tuesday for 2 weeks.

Some Restaurants can stay open if they
meet the Standard Covid French rules.


Ref: CNN HD Business.

[Cherie]

i posted about the category idea a few days ago :laugh:

People need to stop listening to national restrictions and only take note of the region they are going to be in... then everything is very simple

You are the leak :laugh:

[user104658]

Wee Nic keeps slipping up and calling Margaret Ferrier (the Scottish MP on the train) "Margaret Covid".

Which is fkn hilarious [emoji23]

[Liam-]

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Wales thinking of getting Tough.

As we should

[Zizu]

The Mess up on the lost covid results for a week
was due to Microsoft Excel and the limit of Lines /numbers
that can go on that program,
spreadsheet.


Ref : LBC.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8805697/Furious-blame-game-16-000-Covid-cases-missed-Excel-glitch.html



We were told the high figure was due to an oversight ... then the same thing happened again on Sunday ?!?!?


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[arista]

We were told the high figure was due to an oversight ... then the same thing happened again on Sunday ?!?!?


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Could be

[Zizu]

Could be



So ‘another’ oversight ?


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[arista]

The Cock is speaking live now
in Parliament

Both TV news


The Health Sec,
said it will never happen again.

[arista]

The Labour Health Shadow
said the Tracers are sitting down watching Netflix.


He demands Serco do not get their contract renewed

[Cherie]

The Labour Health Shadow
said the Tracers are sitting down watching Netflix.

Dragging Cal in Parliament :hee:

[arista]

[Ireland: government 'to reject new lockdown'

Ireland’s government has rejected a surprise
recommendation by its health chiefs to go into
lockdown and will instead tighten current
Covid-19 restrictions, local media has reported.

The National Public Health Emergency Team
called for a leap to the highest level
of Covid-19 restrictions, Level 5,
late on Sunday from Level 2 controls
that are in place in 24 of Ireland’s 26 counties.
The government will instead propose moving the
whole country to Level 3, local media including
state broadcaster RTE reported,
after a meeting between senior ministers and health chiefs.

Ireland’s cabinet is due to meet later on Monday.]


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/05/coronavirus-live-news-global-covid-cases-pass-35m-walter-reed-doctor-calls-donald-trump-drive-insanity?page=with:block-5f7b38f28f08766f0456a7a1#block-5f7b38f28f08766f0456a7a1

[bots]

PHE data shows Manchester now has the highest rate of infection in England, at 495.6 cases per 100,000 people in the week to 1 October, from 223.2 the week before.

Liverpool has the second highest rate, up to 456.4 from 287.1 per 100,000. Knowsley in Merseyside, Newcastle, Nottingham, Leeds and Sheffield have also seen sharp rises.

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The manchester numbers are getting high

[Zizu]

PHE data shows Manchester now has the highest rate of infection in England, at 495.6 cases per 100,000 people in the week to 1 October, from 223.2 the week before.



Liverpool has the second highest rate, up to 456.4 from 287.1 per 100,000. Knowsley in Merseyside, Newcastle, Nottingham, Leeds and Sheffield have also seen sharp rises.



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The manchester numbers are getting high



Yes it’s very , very worrying ..

I’m just so relieved that I don’t work in a crammed Gtr Manchester High School ..

Oh wait....


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[bots]

Yes it’s very , very worrying ..

I’m just so relieved that I don’t work in a crammed Gtr Manchester High School ..

Oh wait....


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to put it in perspective my area is currently 10 per 100k

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[DouglasS]

PHE data shows Manchester now has the highest rate of infection in England, at 495.6 cases per 100,000 people in the week to 1 October, from 223.2 the week before.

Liverpool has the second highest rate, up to 456.4 from 287.1 per 100,000. Knowsley in Merseyside, Newcastle, Nottingham, Leeds and Sheffield have also seen sharp rises.

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The manchester numbers are getting high

I’m not Surprised, living here it is clear Manchester people do not follow the rules. My flatmate worked at Sainsbury’s And said the majority of Salford people do not wear masks.

A lot of Mancs where I live are sadly selfish, I’m sure Annie can confirm with the shops she enters also.

I guessed Manchester would end up the highest after coming across my locals

[arista]

Patients in ventilator beds
368


Patients in hospital
2,428

12,594 new Covid-19 cases

19 have died

42,369 Total Deaths in the UK.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

Patients in ventilator beds
368


Patients in hospital
2,428

12,594 new Covid-19 cases

19 have died

42,369 Total Deaths in the UK.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

so there are no new hospital admissions since yesterday, i doubt that

[Zizu]

I’m not Surprised, living here it is clear Manchester people do not follow the rules. My flatmate worked at Sainsbury’s And said the majority of Salford people do not wear masks.

A lot of Mancs where I live are sadly selfish, I’m sure Annie can confirm with the shops she enters also.

I guessed Manchester would end up the highest after coming across my locals



I’d sadly agree .

Tesco 100% mask wearing customers but smaller stores / shops sometimes as low as zero ..


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[AnnieK]

I’m not Surprised, living here it is clear Manchester people do not follow the rules. My flatmate worked at Sainsbury’s And said the majority of Salford people do not wear masks.

A lot of Mancs where I live are sadly selfish, I’m sure Annie can confirm with the shops she enters also.

I guessed Manchester would end up the highest after coming across my locals

Sadly, Manchester is suffering badly and yes there are a lot of non mask wearers here, more so than it would appear to be elsewhere. I've found the same as Zizu that a lot of the bigger stores people are complying but not everywhere.

We also have a massive student population that are spreading it quickly it would seem too. Lots of students locked down in halls.

I don't think the students are to blame for the massive hike though, its been going up rapidly even whilst in this local lockdown.

I have friends who work at salford royal and they have said that admissions are still low at the moment but are starting to creep up.

There is a vocal group on a local Salford FB group who are encouraging people to go against mask wearing and lockdown to suggest its all a conspiracy etc :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sadly, Manchester is suffering badly and yes there are a lot of non mask wearers here, more so than it would appear to be elsewhere. I've found the same as Zizu that a lot of the bigger stores people are complying but not everywhere.

We also have a massive student population that are spreading it quickly it would seem too. Lots of students locked down in halls.

I don't think the students are to blame for the massive hike though, its been going up rapidly even whilst in this local lockdown.

I have friends who work at salford royal and they have said that admissions are still low at the moment but are starting to creep up.

There is a vocal group on a local Salford FB group who are encouraging people to go against mask wearing and lockdown to suggest its all a conspiracy etc :facepalm:

dont admissions always go up in October?

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[bots]

So the upshot is that when the number of infected looked to be levelling out as people were complying with restrictions, the reality is that we reached the maximum value of the spreadsheet, cases were still rising and the numbers being reported now are the true measure ... so the infected number has continued to climb even with the restrictions

[bots]

dont admissions always go up in October?

you are being intentionally misleading. The admissions quoted are covid admissions, and this is the first october we have had with it as you well know

[AnnieK]

you are being intentionally misleading. The admissions quoted are covid admissions, and this is the first october we have had with it as you well know

I didn't bother responding considering it was quite clear what I was referring to. :shrug:

[Cherie]

So the upshot is that when the number of infected looked to be levelling out as people were complying with restrictions, the reality is that we reached the maximum value of the spreadsheet, cases were still rising and the numbers being reported now are the true measure ... so the infected number has continued to climb even with the restrictions

Manchester's numbers have never stopped rising, so its proven the restrictions are more or less useless :shrug:

[AnnieK]

There was a segment on the news last night showing where cases are exploding.....Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield and Nottingham in the North.....all big University towns where lots of new students have started mixing. I don't think its a coincidence. Not blaming the students at all but with the decision to let Unis start the Gov have allowed mixing from all over the country

[Zizu]

Manchester's numbers have never stopped rising, so its proven the restrictions are more or less useless :shrug:



Well in and around the Manchester area ... the only people that I know or can see abiding by the regulations are those over 45 - from what I can assess anyway .


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[Cherie]

There was a segment on the news last night showing where cases are exploding.....Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield and Nottingham in the North.....all big University towns where lots of new students have started mixing. I don't think its a coincidence. Not blaming the students at all but with the decision to let Unis start the Gov have allowed mixing from all over the country

London has loads of Unis and there are Unis in practically every big City so it makes no sense it would be happening in just though areas :conf:

[AnnieK]

Well in and around the Manchester area ... the only people that I know or can see abiding by the regulations are those over 45 - from what I can assess anyway .


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I think that's unfair. I have seen lots of non mask wearers and have seen neighbours having people in their houses and they have been a variety of ages. Not just youngsters, plenty of older people

[AnnieK]

London has loads of Unis and there are Unis in practically every big City so it makes no sense it would be happening in just though areas :conf:

Our cases were high any way, I expect other areas to follow suit. I actually don't think its a bad thing to have it run through the student population as they will hopefully not get too ill and will then develop some immunity (hopefully) and be able to live their lives and experience uni a bit more normally. Its that age I feel the most sorry for with all this.

[Cherie]

Our cases were high any way, I expect other areas to follow suit. I actually don't think its a bad thing to have it run through the student population as they will hopefully not get too ill and will then develop some immunity (hopefully) and be able to live their lives and experience uni a bit more normally. Its that age I feel the most sorry for with all this.

same tbh, that's why I think being locked down together in halls for two weeks initially wasn't that bad an idea

[Lewismacfarlane]

Is there going to be another big lockdown

[Cherie]

Is there going to be another big lockdown

nope

[MTVN]

So the upshot is that when the number of infected looked to be levelling out as people were complying with restrictions, the reality is that we reached the maximum value of the spreadsheet, cases were still rising and the numbers being reported now are the true measure ... so the infected number has continued to climb even with the restrictions

The talk about levelling off came from an ONS survey testing people at random across the country and from another survey, these were both unaffected by this error in the daily count

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[Lewismacfarlane]

nope

As my family are meant to be going to Blackpool on Friday

[Nicky91]

nope

then millions more will get infected in UK and will die

[Cherie]

then millions more will get infected in UK and will die

is the Netherlands locking down Nicky? its one million across the World Nick and they didn't all die in the UK!

[Cherie]

As my family are meant to be going to Blackpool on Friday

oh I think Blackpool is on local lockdown yes?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/blackpool-wigan-stockport-local-lockdown-measures/

[Strictly Jake]

There have been postive covid cases reported at the school I worked at but left recently. I would say good job i have left but I left to do more hours at my university job. Which also now has positive cases
They have testing centers on site here all week so it will be interesting to see how many cases we end up with apparently its 2 at the moment which is very low compared to other universities. But I will wait and see. I will be wearing all my PPE to clean after them all anyway!

[Nicky91]

is the Netherlands locking down Nicky? its one million across the World Nick and they didn't all die in the UK!

its not my country what is the topic of discussion though

[Cherie]

its not my country what is the topic of discussion though

why cant we discuss the Netherlands? every other country is mentioned in this thread

[Strictly Jake]

oh I think Blackpool is on local lockdown yes?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/blackpool-wigan-stockport-local-lockdown-measures/

Yeah blackpool is in lockdown. Its nearby where I live. All the towns including mine all got locked down apart from Blackpool but thats locked down too now. You can still go there lewis I assume as businesses attractions etc are all open its just household mixing thats not allowed

[Strictly Jake]

Our cases were high any way, I expect other areas to follow suit. I actually don't think its a bad thing to have it run through the student population as they will hopefully not get too ill and will then develop some immunity (hopefully) and be able to live their lives and experience uni a bit more normally. Its that age I feel the most sorry for with all this.

See a lot of people are saying this. But do people not remember all the staff like myself that work there. I have to clean up after them and then go home every night to my wife and 3 young kids.

If students arent taking this seriously because they feel they wont be affected by the symptoms too much and they are all staying with each other on campus anyway maybe they could give a thought to the hundreds of staff on site caring for them that have families to go home to before they carelessly break the rules

[Nicky91]

why cant we discuss the Netherlands? every other country is mentioned in this thread

you don't want to discuss our bunch of hypocritical, moronic government, so called outbreak management team (wouldn't surprise me at all if we hit 100k deaths in this second wave)

they only do blame is the ''youth'' how they want to educate them in what the coronavirus is

lol lol as if all of those anti-maskers are youth, nope, mostly middle aged people between 40-60 but they are not looked into at all, definitely where the problem is, anti-maskers = superspreaders

[Zizu]

I think that's unfair. I have seen lots of non mask wearers and have seen neighbours having people in their houses and they have been a variety of ages. Not just youngsters, plenty of older people



It was my take on things .. we are obviously going to have different experiences.




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[bots]

I think it is more than coincidence that covid thrives in a cool, damp environment and the north of england is cool and damp .... The weather may be affecting the infection rate more than any other factor

[arista]

Johnson Prime Minister is Live
All media.

Talking about the future

He stated the end of his dream Hospital build
the big number is 2030?????????????

Thats beyond the next Election

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201006/return-to-normality-could-take-up-to-two-years-virologists-warn-coronavirus

return to normality could take up to two years, a german virologist has said

[arista]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201006/return-to-normality-could-take-up-to-two-years-virologists-warn-coronavirus

return to normality could take up to two years, a German virologist has said


Yes many are saying the same
all over the World

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/10/dutch-run-out-of-anti-viral-drug-remdesivir-to-treat-coronavirus-patients/

another bit of stupidity in netherlands, ran out of ''remdesivir'' anti viral drug to treat coronavirus patients

[Zizu]

Yes many are saying the same

all over the World



I’ll be glad when it’s certain that we’re over the worst...


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[Crimson Dynamo]

The first minister says we now have Test and Protect which is working well and is taking a lot of the strain of controlling the virus.

There is further consideration of the final steps that need to be taken and Ms Sturgeon minister pivots to what the government is NOT proposing to do:

"We are not proposing another lockdown at this stage, not even on a temporary basis"
"We are not going to be asking you to stay inside your own homes the way we did in March."
"We are not about to impose travel restrictions on the whole of the country."
"We are not about to shut down the entire economy."
"We are not about to halt the remobilisation of the NHS."
"We are not proposing to close schools."


https://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/11387229/

[arista]

Yes a Tough Cookie

But Johnson PM will block any future Referendum

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes a Tough Cookie

But Johnson PM will block any future Referendum

yes well he wont be around for that much longer

[Lewismacfarlane]

Looks like I'll get to go to Blackpool

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looks like I'll get to go to Blackpool

love Blackpool

:thumbs:

[Lewismacfarlane]

love Blackpool

:thumbs:

Thought my country was going lockdown but were not

[The Slim Reaper]

Thought my country was going lockdown but were not

The Peoples Republic of Blackpool?

[bots]

i went to blackpool every year as a kid

[The Slim Reaper]

i went to blackpool every year as a kid

You're so old, it was Blackandwhitepool when you were a kid! :smug:

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/7E6F/production/_114776323_dailymail.jpg

Maybe if he can stay in power, after the next election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54435175

[Nicky91]

why do these schools stay open?

its most bacteria filled place of all

[arista]

why do these schools stay open?

its most bacteria filled place of all


Yes but they are cleaned daily.

[arista]

Coronavirus: UK reports 14,542 new cases - almost 2,000 more than yesterday

SkyNewsHD

[Zizu]

Yes but they are cleaned daily.



If only it were that simple ...


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[arista]

Patients in hospital
2,833

Patients in ventilator beds
393

76 dead today


As stated 14,542 New Covid-19 Cases.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

‘Pubs and restaurants facing jobs cliff edge’


Yes not looking good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54435065

Also

Coronavirus: Some Northern Ireland businesses 'not seen any recovery'

They are not alone
that is Worldwide
due to the China Deadly Covid-19 infection spreading.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54436275

[Kizzy]

further 76 people have died from*coronavirus*over the latest 24-hour period, the*government*has said.

Authorities also reported 14,542 new lab-confirmed cases as of 9am on Tuesday, up from 12,594 the day before.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-new-cases-infections-lockdown-update-b837520.html

[arista]

further 76 people have died from*coronavirus*over the latest 24-hour period, the*government*has said.

Authorities also reported 14,542 new lab-confirmed cases as of 9am on Tuesday, up from 12,594 the day before.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-new-cases-infections-lockdown-update-b837520.html


Yes I posted all that.

[The Slim Reaper]

From the times, not the socialist worker

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[Nicky91]

i wonder when governments are gonna educate some of those middle aged people (whom we also know break covid rules, rather than blaming it all on youth)

also spend that time on educating those anti-masker leaders i guess would be a better idea

[Kizzy]

Yes I posted all that.

Ah right soz just saw the article before reading thread.

[arista]

Ah right soz just saw the article before reading thread.

Fair Enough
it is a Massive amount of new cases
I post the data every day.
So long as its around.

[Coronavirus: UK reports 14,542 new cases - almost 2,000 more than yesterday

SkyNewsHD]

[arista]

Because of Covid-19:
[Clarks, one of Britain's oldest shoe retailers,
is preparing for dozens of permanent store closures
by deploying an insolvency mechanism
that it had previously denied was under consideration.
Sky News has learnt that a rescue deal for Clarks
led by LionRock Capital, a Hong Kong-based
private equity firm, is contingent upon
the approval by creditors
of a company voluntary arrangement (CVA).]

https://news.sky.com/story/clarks-to-give-stores-the-boot-in-lionrock-rescue-deal-12091624

[Vanessa]

I'm planning to go to Italy next summer.
Hopefully everything will be better by then.
Just in case I need to isolate, I'm taking one month holiday and will only be in Italy for two weeks.

[arista]

Because of Covid-19
Virgin Money to axe 400 jobs at
head office locations

[Virgin Money is to cut up to 400 jobs in the
latest phase of its cost-cutting plans following
its tie-up with Clydesdale and
Yorkshire banking group (CYBG).
The cuts are understood to affect 200 jobs
at the Clydesdale's former head office
in Glasgow, 50 at the former
Yorkshire Bank HQ in Leeds and 150 at Virgin Money's
office in Gosforth.]

https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-money-to-axe-400-jobs-at-head-office-locations-12092754

[Zizu]

There was a science boffin talking on Sky News earlier and he was extremely pessimistic about the Covid situation.

He said that we’ve NEVER managed to create a vaccine for a ANY Coronavirus and so there’s certainly no guarantee we will get one for Covid19.

Basically he said it could take many years ( maybe as long as TEN) to get to grips with the virus without a vaccine.

Then even if we did find a vaccine.. more than likely there will be some unwelcomed side effects .. plus it will only be offered to the most vulnerable ie. the over 50’s plus other selected ones . It will take years of testing before it would be offered to under children...


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[Lewismacfarlane]

I'm just so happy that I'm still going on holiday to Blackpool

[user104658]

There was a science boffin talking on Sky News earlier and he was extremely pessimistic about the Covid situation.

He said that we’ve NEVER managed to create a vaccine for a ANY Coronavirus and so there’s certainly no guarantee we will get one for Covid19.

Thing is though, we've never really tried. There was no need with the older regularly circulating coronaviruses because they don't cause serious illness. They never put any serious time or money into SARS because it more or less disappeared before it was necessary. And I don't think they've tried at all with MERS because there have only ever been a very small handful of cases.

Of course there's every chance it won't be possible to create a lasting vaccine but I don't think "we've never made one for a coronavirus" is really evidence of that.

[Zizu]

Thing is though, we've never really tried. There was no need with the older regularly circulating coronaviruses because they don't cause serious illness. They never put any serious time or money into SARS because it more or less disappeared before it was necessary. And I don't think they've tried at all with MERS because there have only ever been a very small handful of cases.



Of course there's every chance it won't be possible to create a lasting vaccine but I don't think "we've never made one for a coronavirus" is really evidence of that.



Fair points


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[joeysteele]

Thing is though, we've never really tried. There was no need with the older regularly circulating coronaviruses because they don't cause serious illness. They never put any serious time or money into SARS because it more or less disappeared before it was necessary. And I don't think they've tried at all with MERS because there have only ever been a very small handful of cases.

Of course there's every chance it won't be possible to create a lasting vaccine but I don't think "we've never made one for a coronavirus" is really evidence of that.

Very good points there TS.
I agree.

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/8281/production/_114790433_mail-nc.jpg

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/FA6D/production/_114790146_telegraph-nc.png


The Cabinet is not Split
its the usual back benchers

[arista]

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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/13F5/production/_114790150_guardian-nc.png

[arista]

The Headline
should be the Rich
will come out of the Covid Darkness

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/5B71/production/_114790432_express-nc.png

[arista]

Typical Mirror
picking how the plebs are left to wash away.


https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/D35D/production/_114790145_7e2bc06f-fd77-431d-80f5-704d254c24b9.png

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201006/curfews-and-new-contact-restrictions-berlin-and-frankfurt-tighten-coronavirus-rules

curfews and new contact restrictions in Berlin, Frankfurt regions, tighten coronavirus rules

[Nicky91]

people in Italy easier comply the rules, and also wearing a mask like almost everyone because they had experienced how horrible things can look back in March, i mean most cities/towns looked deserted, especially Bergamo entire 80+ generation wiped out by covid, some people not knowing where their relatives bodies were taken by military


here at our show Op1 last night a debate between

Ab Osterhaus (whom follows developments in Germany)

Stefan De Vries (whom follows developments in France)

Eveline Rethmeier (whom follows everything regarding corona in Italy)


Eveline had said, Italians do not want to go back into another lockdown, so they just stick by the rules


they all kinda agreed that it is sad we dutch aren't obeying to advice given (but some said we can be proud we live in such freedom, however Ab Osterhaus said german mentality of obeying rules might be very useful these times)


as for mask requirements, Italy it is a requirement, in Germany it is a very important advice (but regions like Munich are considering on making it a requirement, if only out of precaution) France are more like same as us dutch, and i really would not like we to go there into 10.000 cases daily


as for work from home policies

Italy: most people stick to that

Germany: majority does to stick to that rule, only some who can't work from home are allowed to go to work

France: most want to go to work, and offices still to prove they show up for work to their boss

[Zizu]

Sooooo in the light of the massive England squad story - shouldn’t the person who actually organised Tammy Abraham’s ‘surprise birthday party’ be prosecuted ??


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[Nicky91]

Dutch Labs: we are ready for 51.000 coronavirus tests


2 of the 5 corona quick testkits are ready for usage, quick testing tells you within 15 minutes if you got corona or not

Health Minister De Jonge is very excited about this quick testing, and they bought huge numbers of those

[Zizu]

Recent survey shows https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201007/4dd1142203386068df1b3b57afafc404.jpg60% of Manchester parents would prefer their kids at home !!


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[Nicky91]

yes and speaking of percentages, here in Netherlands they did a survey

70% of people want stricter measures, requirement on masks


but what does our PM Rutte do, he said it isn't necessary yet to go for even more stricter measures, based on advice from OMT :facepalm: basically ignoring majority of dutch people

[Josy]

One of our councillors just posted that Nicola sturgeon will today close all pubs that dont sell food and restrict hours for pubs that do sell food as well as banning them from selling alcohol and it will last 16 days.

I'm not sure if that will happen tbh but can already imagine the uproar if it does lol

I guess we will find out at 2.50pm

[user104658]

One of our councillors just posted that Nicola sturgeon will today close all pubs that dont sell food and restrict hours for pubs that do sell food as well as banning them from selling alcohol and it will last 16 days.

I'm not sure if that will happen tbh but can already imagine the uproar if it does lol

I guess we will find out at 2.50pm

They can all just start selling cheese and ham sandwiches and be like "Gastro innit"

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjqV8KZWkAEKizd?format=jpg&name=small

[AnnieK]

Recent survey shows https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201007/4dd1142203386068df1b3b57afafc404.jpg60% of Manchester parents would prefer their kids at home !!


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They might change their minds when furlough ends at the end of the month and they have to return to working at least some hours to get 77% of their pay. Doesn't leave a lot left over for childcare

[user104658]

They might change their minds when furlough ends at the end of the month and they have to return to working at least some hours to get 77% of their pay. Doesn't leave a lot left over for childcare

This is the dilemma really isn't it; I don't think they can start closing schools without continuing furlough with no work requirement. We're lucky in that I work from home these days so childcare isn't an issue, but if it was, we'd be screwed if they closed schools. It would be literally impossible; my youngest would require specialist childcare and that's not something you can just pick up easily :shrug:.

[Nicky91]

netherlands numbers

4,996 new cases

1,021 new hospitalisations

210 on the ICU (a rise of 46 new ICU cases compared to yesterday)

36 new deaths (yesterday that were 21 new deaths)

[MTVN]

Sturgeon currently in the process of destroying Scotlands hospitality industry

[Lewismacfarlane]

I was worried that sturgeon would ban travel

[arista]

Sturgeon currently in the process of destroying Scotlands hospitality industry


Yes 6AM - 6PM stores to open.
for 2 weeks


Coronavirus: Pubs and restaurants barred from selling alcohol indoors for two weeks in Scotland

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pubs-and-restaurants-barred-from-selling-alcohol-indoors-for-two-weeks-in-most-of-scotland-12098306

[arista]

Greene King Group
has had cut 800 workers
because of the 10PM time change


ITVnewsHD

[Zizu]

netherlands numbers

4,996 new cases

1,021 new hospitalisations

210 on the ICU (a rise of 46 new ICU cases compared to yesterday)

36 new deaths (yesterday that were 21 new deaths)



25% increase after 24 hours for ventilators isn’t good at all !


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[user104658]

Sturgeon currently in the process of destroying Scotlands hospitality industryWith a 2 week ban on indoor alcohol sales? If that's true then we have an even bigger problem with drunks than the stereotypes suggest.

[user104658]

25% increase after 24 hours for ventilators isn’t good at all !


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProNot all ICU cases are ventilator cases. BoJo was never on ventilator, for example.

[bots]

in Scotland, what it means is that all the infected people will pile into packed cars and head out to pubs in the sticks increasing the spread of infection. I wonder sometimes if anyone thinks these things through.

Also, these new rules are much more complicated than anything bojo thought up :laugh:

[Vanessa]

in Scotland, what it means is that all the infected people will pile into packed cars and head out to pubs in the sticks increasing the spread of infection. I wonder sometimes if anyone thinks these things through.

Also, these new rules are much more complicated than anything bojo thought up :laugh:
I agree. I don't understand these new rules for Scotland. They don't make any sense at all!

[MTVN]

With a 2 week ban on indoor alcohol sales? If that's true then we have an even bigger problem with drunks than the stereotypes suggest.

Yes given that alcohol sales are a pretty major part of the industry's revenue its going need a hell of a lot of government support to fill that hole

Given these places now have to close at 6pm anyway how big a danger is the serving of alcohol? You can go to a restaurant for lunch but God forbid you have a glass of wine or a beer with it, I guess that inevitably leads to hordes of drunks draped all over each other at 5.30pm on a Tuesday

All very puritanical

[Cherie]

Just listened to Nic's speech so many of those infected had visited a pub or restaurant, but she concedes that doesn't mean they picked up the virus there, just an easy target

[Cherie]

Yes given that alcohol sales are a pretty major part of the industry's revenue its going need a hell of a lot of government support to fill that hole

Given these places now have to close at 6pm anyway how big a danger is the serving of alcohol? You can go to a restaurant for lunch but God forbid you have a glass of wine or a beer with it, I guess that inevitably leads to hordes of drunks draped all over each other at 5.30pm on a Tuesday

All very puritanical

Insanity at this stage, here come the house parties especially with Halloween/Guy F around the corner

[arista]

in Scotland, what it means is that all the infected people will pile into packed cars and head out to pubs in the sticks increasing the spread of infection. I wonder sometimes if anyone thinks these things through.

Also, these new rules are much more complicated than anything bojo thought up :laugh:


Yes I hope all Scotts watch their Local News

[Josy]

in Scotland, what it means is that all the infected people will pile into packed cars and head out to pubs in the sticks increasing the spread of infection. I wonder sometimes if anyone thinks these things through.



Also, these new rules are much more complicated than anything bojo thought up [emoji23]We are being asked not to travel out with our district (the 3 areas with the highest infection rate that is)

[arista]

[Coronavirus: UK records another 14,162 New Covid-19 cases
The government said a further 70 people had died within 28 days of testing positive for COVID-19 as of Wednesday.

Wednesday 7 October 2020 17:40, UK]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-records-another-14-162-covid-19-cases-12098371

[arista]

Patients in hospital
3,145

Patients in ventilator beds
410


42,515 Total UK Deaths

14,162 New Covid-19 cases

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

25% increase after 24 hours for ventilators isn’t good at all !


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you try educating our RIVM's director (jaap van dissel is one who should be sacked for all this lacklustre mess, all deaths now are on him)

[Zizu]

Not all ICU cases are ventilator cases. BoJo was never on ventilator, for example.



Still 25% increase after a day in intensive care patients is scary ..


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[arista]

The Conservative Party Political
Broadcast on ITV1HD
has Johnson with his Slogans.
Going up a ladder with his HS2 hard hat etc.
With a Mask on at times.

Also on BBC1 at 6:54PM

[arista]

Patients in hospital
3,145

Patients in ventilator beds
410


42,515 Total UK Deaths

14,162 New Covid-19 cases

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Posting again.

[arista]

[Coronavirus: 900 airport jobs go - as testing task force
gets lukewarm response
Jobs will go at Manchester, Stansted and East Midlands,
blamed on lack of progress on testing
and the end of the furlough scheme.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-900-jobs-at-three-airports-to-go-as-furlough-scheme-ends-12098423

[arista]

Small restaurants accuse Deliveroo of unfair commission rates

35% plus VAT so its £40 from a £100 order

That's too much.

https://news.sky.com/story/small-restaurants-accuse-deliveroo-of-unfair-commission-rates-12096277

[Cal.]

Dragging Cal in Parliament :hee:

I ain’t a tracer anymore love!

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjvoQoFXkAE_xD4?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

I ain’t a tracer anymore love!

No wonder it’s all gone wrong :oh:

[reece(:]

Angela ENDED the tories :clap1: :

04s4glUYncA

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

i think the government has to face up to the reality that the infection rate shot up as the schools went back. To me it seems obvious that to reduce the rate in any significant way, they need to close the schools again.

[AnnieK]

Lookd like Manchester and the north as a whole are being locked down harder from Monday. Schools to stay open but pretty much everything else over.....so my son can go and mix closely with 30 other kids in a small classroom but can't do his football or athletics outside where they ha e strict rules about how much contact they allow. :sad:

[Ammi]

...but everything surely more or less ‘went back’ together../...there were no huge time differences etc...the phases were never really phases, they weren’t far enough apart to be phases...so now, it’s whichever way do we look/...which direction..?...

...it’s an indication, surely...and obviously very sadly...that the virus is way ahead and it’s going to opt for heard immunity no matter what restrictions...we were appalled at the thought but Ms Corona seems to be making the decisions...and giving less and less options and choices...

[bots]

Lookd like Manchester and the north as a whole are being locked down harder from Monday. Schools to stay open but pretty much everything else over.....so my son can go and mix closely with 30 other kids in a small classroom but can't do his football or athletics outside where they ha e strict rules about how much contact they allow. :sad:

common sense makes things so obvious, we either want to tackle the infection rate or we don't, the government are playing games with peoples lives and livelihoods at the moment and it's just not good enough. We can't restrict all forms of human interaction to solely allow schools to operate, when they are the biggest contributor to the infection rate, it makes no sense at all

[Nicky91]

UyewijREGlY

protests in Brooklyn over governor Andrew Cuomo's new stricter corona measures

[arista]

i think the government has to face up to the reality that the infection rate shot up as the schools went back. To me it seems obvious that to reduce the rate in any significant way, they need to close the schools again.



They do not want to.

[arista]

"Brooklyn over governor Andrew Cuomo's new stricter corona measures"

Yes he is not liked.
But Some parts of New York
have had it hard,

[arista]

Looks like Manchester and the north as a whole are being locked down harder from Monday. Schools to stay open but pretty much everything else over.....so my son can go and mix closely with 30 other kids in a small classroom but can't do his football or athletics outside where they have strict rules about how much contact they allow. :sad:

Yes Monday
it should be done Now
from later today

[arista]

1314143732372066305


1:58mins from todays show

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: we got a coronavaccine from Leiden ''Janssen Pharmacies''

and has ordered a supply of 7,8 million of these, and we also got another coronavaccine lab, where we ordered a supply of 23 million of those


and Minister De Jonge hopes vaccine will become available in Fall 2021

[Nicky91]

N6FiaOKtbOY

dutch airline company KLM their newest advert, specifically regarding safe travel in times of corona

[arista]

That Debate Pence Vs Harris
was not very good in the USA.

I recorded it.

He said stuff on Biden
She said its not true?

The speaker older lady was weak.
Never pressed them hard enough.

On Covid, it was brief.

[arista]

Put your or your mates
Postcode in to see the Covid-19 Rules


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54373904

[Ammi]

Coronavirus: Toughest new lockdown rules could include ban on household mixing in any setting...


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-three-tiered-lockdown-being-primed-for-england-with-no-household-mixing-among-rules-12098983

[arista]

Coronavirus: Toughest new lockdown rules could include ban on household mixing in any setting...


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-three-tiered-lockdown-being-primed-for-england-with-no-household-mixing-among-rules-12098983



Yes in Zones that have it High
but it will be hard to Enforce,

Johnson PM is to slow.

[Nicky91]

Yes in Zones that have it High
but it will be hard to Enforce,

Johnson PM is to slow.

you think Johnson is too slow, our Rutte is even slower, and more lacklustre (failing to listen to a public survey on mask requirement what majority wants, but he still says we need to wait what the effects of the current measures will be in 2 weeks from now)

[arista]

you think Johnson is too slow, our Rutte is even slower, and more lacklustre (failing to listen to a public survey on mask requirement what majority wants, but he still says we need to wait what the effects of the current measures will be in 2 weeks from now)


Yes Ruttle may not Win his next Election

[Nicky91]

Yes Ruttle may not Win his next Election

i'd say PVDA (Labour) or CDA (Christian-democrats) have a good chance the next election

leader for CDA too is our current health minister whom i personally find doing good work in making deals for multiple sorts of vaccines, so we can test which vaccine is better

our Labour's Asscher is doing good work in trying to keep morale up with the people, trying to get health care workers to get those extra bonusses they deserve for hard work


the far right like Wilders, Baudet they are more creating drama within parliament rather than coming up with solutions or advice to help us out of this coronacrisis

[arista]

Because of China's Covid-19
the National Trust has to cut 1,300 jobs.

[Nicky91]

netherlands numbers of today

5,831 new cases

49 new ICU patients (total now of 228)

13 new deaths

[arista]

The Organiser of an Illegal Rave in August
Young Fool
Fined £10,000 today



SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

People tested positive Covid-19 : 17,540 today.

Patients in hospital
3,412

Patients in ventilator beds
442


Today 77 Died of Covid-19


42,592 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1314077577762439169/CkhVmJXW?format=jpg&name=small
Yes Covid-19 Rules are not the same
all over the UK.

[arista]

London Richmond has the Highest new cases : 103 New Cases ITV1HD London news.

17,540 today. is the Total UK New Cases.

[bots]

Nottingham has the highest Covid-19 infection rate in the UK, according to the latest data.

Public Health England figures show that 689.1 per 100,000 people tested positive for the virus in the city over the past week.

New social distancing rules for Nottinghamshire are due to be announced on Monday, according to documents leaked earlier today.

Local politicians have criticised the delay in imposing restrictions.

[arista]

1314322646096662531


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[arista]

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[Ammi]

More than 1,000 students test positive for coronavirus at Newcastle University...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/more-1-000-students-test-140830260.html

[Ammi]

...is it also that some people and younger people/students etc would have always been tested as positive through whatever amount of time/and been asymptomatic ...which is what has always been thought, anyway...and it’s not so much the phases of everything ‘going back’ ...but more that the testing is being done...which was such a slow start...but now..?...

[Cherie]

THhe only comparisons with the first wave should be hospital admissions, those on ventilators and the R number, numbers testing positive means nothing as there are no comparable testing figures from April

[joeysteele]

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He was and is right.
There seems to be a deliberate just long running communication, and particularly on the government side, actually also a really listening problem here.

If they really don't know what's best to do, then open up the advice and bring in all parties fully.
So the fullest consensus and what likely can or will work where.
Gets implemented.

Because, most people I've briefly talked to, usually from across the street when I'm out.
The growing view is, they are feeling things are going the same way almost as was the case in March.

As if although there's been a fair amount learned about this virus, enough hasn't been, hence the complicated at times communication and instructions from government.

To be fair, we hear from the government it's an unprecedented crisis the government has to deal with.
That can easily be understood.
However they DON'T have to deal with it alone.

They could involve all parties and local groupings too, who know areas and the people in them.
Make everything,a concensus PARLIAMENTARY not just government set of communications and instructions.
Which have all been set out with local area politicians and organisations.

This reactive, procrastinating and dismissive attitude from government is not now having effect.
There is a trust issue with this government now via mixed messaging.

It needs a national response of all inclusive consultation and properly listening to all others.

In wartime, we had national coalition government.
Really on dealing with this crisis issue, that's what we need in place too.
For a period of dealing with it and its effects.
In my view anyway.

[bots]

At this point, we are probably 3 weeks away from a nightmare if they dont get the infection rate under control

[joeysteele]

At this point, we are probably 3 weeks away from a nightmare if they dont get the infection rate under control

You and I seem to have disagreed on this issue bots.
That's maybe from a different emphasis on the virus from our own perspectives.

I still however have felt overall you've made strong points.
This is another you make here.
I agree.

[arista]

At this point, we are probably 3 weeks away from a nightmare if they don't get the infection rate under control


Italy did better by being more strict.
We have failed in being Strict.


Test and Trace is Struggling
awaiting to improve.

[arista]

MP's get their £3,000 pay rise.
Some MP's are donating that to Charity.




Rishi Sunak (Chancellor)
is going Live today
with some more assistance.

[arista]

Ex-Journalist Allegra Stratton to lead No 10 TV briefings
She used to work on Peston ITV, and before that the BBC.

Robert Peston was speaking on Times Radio DAB.

She is on the Front Pages I posted (Guardian/Times/Telegraph) one page back

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54468229


[The daily updates, similar to the format used by
the White House in the United States, will start next month.
Boris Johnson has said the briefings
will allow the public more "direct engagement" with the government.]

Allegra left ITV to work for Rishi Sunak
and now will do the Daily Afternoon TV /Radio broadcast
for Johnson PM.

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[arista]

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Yes students should go home

[Dogeatdog]

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Yes students should go home

That just sounds awful. It’s very sad to hear that these students (and I’m sure many others) feel this way at the moment. I think whichever choice they choose to make they will be in a rather crap situation regardless. Now is a really terrible time to be a student at the moment.

[bots]

Coronavirus cases in England have "increased rapidly" with one in 240 people infected, Office for National Statistics data shows.

Covid Symptom Study app data also shows UK cases are rising, but at a slower pace than in early September.

The figures come as the government in England grapples with how to introduce new restrictions.

Science advisers warn hospital admissions are "very close" to levels in early March.

Ministers say cases are "getting out of control".

The ONS estimates, which go up to 1 October, that 17,200 people a day are being infected in homes in England, with the highest rates in the North East, North West and Yorkshire and The Humber.

The organisation estimates that one in 500 people are infected in Wales and Northern Ireland.

The Covid Symptom Study app - which uses data from 4 million people and 12,000 swab tests - estimates 21,903 people are developing Covid symptoms every day across the UK.

That is 1,000-a-day more than a week ago.

Prof Tim Spector, who led the analysis at King's College London, said: "We aren't out of the woods yet, especially as hospital admissions are starting to increase, which we predict will continue to do so over the next two weeks."

The rise in cases and people being admitted to hospital is causing mounting concern. New rules are expected to be announced on Monday and come into force on Wednesday.

The precise details are still being debated, but could include closing pubs and restaurants or a ban on overnight stays in some areas.

Data presented to MPs by England's chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty, appears to put the hospitality sector in the firing line as parts of society such as schools and universities are being kept open.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54477618

[arista]

Rishi Sunak
Is due to go live around 3PM today.

Some new money for some.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

Plan to shut down pubs across north of England comes from data based on 98 venues, minister admits...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-decision-closure-north-based-98-pubs-090424716.html

[Ammi]

Coronavirus: UK's R number down slightly to between 1.2 and 1.5...


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uks-r-number-down-slightly-to-between-1-2-and-1-5-12099952

[arista]

Plan to shut down pubs across north of England comes from data based on 98 venues, minister admits...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-decision-closure-north-based-98-pubs-090424716.html



But Some Mayors are saying NO

[Nicky91]

Netherlands numbers

5,983 new cases

69 new hospitalisations (1,139 in total)

on ICU there are now 239 cases

14 new deaths (+1 compared to yesterday)

[Nicky91]

our PM Rutte is live now

he again says pubs, bars, restaurant remain closed at 22:00 PM


also that local mayors of cities have decided to close supermarkets, pharmacies too at 22:00 PM, and might close earlier to prevent youth from buying extra alcoholic drinks to prevent unnecessary partying

[Nicky91]

clever question from one reporter: do you hold responsibility on how bad it looks now (as one of the worst hit countries in europe now amid second wave) also on you and your parliament?

Rutte replied yes but we are still not as worse than France, Spain (lol no reason to compare our smaller netherlands to bigger nations)


people are still able to go to pubs like normal in weekends

[Nicky91]

i don't know why they choose 22:00 PM as a specific time slot when everything must close

can't people get infected before that?

[Cherie]

Plan to shut down pubs across north of England comes from data based on 98 venues, minister admits...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-decision-closure-north-based-98-pubs-090424716.html

Ridiculous they are the only establishments along with restaurants and cafe taking details...Chris Whitty said yesterday 30% of cases were attributed to pubs restaurants but only because they are taking details, and they cant be sure the virus was caught there, what about the other 70%

[arista]

Coronavirus: Rishi Sunak reveals targeted furlough scheme
for hospitality industry in COVID hotspots
The government will pay employees who cannot work
67% of their salaries, up to £2,100 a month.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-rishi-sunak-reveals-targeted-furlough-scheme-for-hospitality-industry-in-covid-hotspots-12099760


He gave the details to one reporter.

[user104658]

67% is bull****, who can realistically survive on a 1/3 pay cut? And its hospitality, most people will be min wage.

[arista]

67% is bull****, who can realistically survive on a 1/3 pay cut? And its hospitality, most people will be min wage.


But they have spent Billions of pounds
on the last help out.

It is better than nothing.

[Zizu]

Coronavirus: Rishi Sunak reveals targeted furlough scheme
for hospitality industry in COVID hotspots
The government will pay employees who cannot work
67% of their salaries, up to £2,100 a month.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-rishi-sunak-reveals-targeted-furlough-scheme-for-hospitality-industry-in-covid-hotspots-12099760


He gave the details to one reporter.



Sounds like there’ll just be thousands committing fraud again like last time ..


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