Coronavirus Outbreak

[user104658]

Enjoy your 4 Large Corn Beef slices for a pound, Madame.

That's what they lived on during the war Arista! I'm sure you remember it well.

But are they trying to make out that this is an example of panic buying? That looks like a relatively normal xmas trolley tbh.

[Cherie]

Went out to the Simply food at the petrol station as TS spooked me that I would get no brussels, all very quiet on the roads, swing into the carpark at Sains it was busy but not overly so, and no queue to get into the carpark or the shop the guys they hired for car park control were in a huddle chatting,

[arista]

That's what they lived on during the war Arista! I'm sure you remember it well.

But are they trying to make out that this is an example of panic buying? That looks like a relatively normal xmas trolley tbh.



Yes she bought loads of Biscuits

[arista]

Boris to put the North into Tier 4 on Christmas Eve? Just like EiD :laugh:


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[AnnieK]

Boris to put the North into Tier 4 on Christmas Eve? Just like EiD :laugh:

Our cases in Gtr Manc are still way below the national average but are starting to rise again.

[arista]

Prime Minister is live 5PM

Joined By Transport Sec. Grant Shapps &
Sir Patrick Vallance (FRS FMedSci FRCP is a British physician,
scientist, and clinical pharmacologist )

SkyNewsHD
BBC1HD
LBC
Radio 5
Time Radio

[arista]

Prime Minister is now Live

[arista]

BBC Laura mentioned
that Macron wants all to be tested before entering.

Prime Minister Ignored that part of her Question

[bots]

80% of freight is still being transported over the border, the number of lorries in the queue at dover is going down and most of them are drivers returning to mainland europe

[arista]

80% of freight is still being transported over the border, the number of lorries in the queue at Dover is going down and most of them are drivers returning to mainland Europe


Yes the French Drivers must get back.


But Johnson PM would not comment
on Macron wanting British Drivers to have a test.

[arista]

Less than 30mins

The PM has Concluded.

[arista]

Yes Cherie
Patrick Vallance
said New Measures in due course.

(Not from the PM)

They will not yet give dates.

[Zizu]

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Sainsburys, North London
before 8AM today
Enjoy your 4 Large Corn Beef slices for a pound, Madame.



Also Walkers Ready Salted Crisod , lagers , cream crackers , assorted biscuit , tomato ketchup and family sized choc desert .


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[arista]

Around 40 Nations
have blocked us,
Spain blocks us from midnight.

[UserSince2005]

Around 40 Nations
have blocked us,
Spain blocks us from midnight.

DAMN! sort it out boris, Im supposed to be sunning myself in Tenerife this time next week.

[Zizu]

Our cases in Gtr Manc are still way below the national average but are starting to rise again.



Anyone travelling into Gtr Manchester from a Tier 4 area MUST now self Isolate for 10 days or more ...

I can just see all those selfish beggars who fled from London the other night will be only to happy to abide my these new rules ..... NOT


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[Nicky91]

germany: new strain likely already in country, but no reason for panic, scientist had said

https://www.thelocal.de/20201221/new-covid-strain-likely-already-in-germany-but-no-need-for-alarm-says-scientist

[James]

Here's a (non-expert) theory.

Don't the lockdowns encourage new strains to evolve that spread more easily? Through the rules of natural selection: the more easily-transmitted versions of the virus are the ones that are passed on while the less-transmittable strains are suppressed.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/cc/f1/35ccf17ba76caa68310a8ce05397e4bb.jpg

[bots]

think of it in terms of red squirrels and grey squirrels. Grey squirrels breed easier in the uk than red ones, so we quickly became over run by the little buggers, this is the same with covid :laugh:

[Nicky91]

i had read the vaccine might also help against any new strain, since they come from the same virus


maybe you then just need more doses than against the old strain

[UserSince2005]

think of it in terms of red squirrels and grey squirrels. Grey squirrels breed easier in the uk than red ones, so we quickly became over run by the little buggers, this is the same with covid :laugh:

Exactly we want the cute china coronavirus back on top, not this mutated one.

[bots]

i haven't heard the airlines shouting its not fair yet, that's a new variant

[Cherie]

i had read the vaccine might also help against any new strain, since they come from the same virus


maybe you then just need more doses than against the old strain

There is no evidence the current vaccine won’t work, no additional doses required

[Cherie]

Anyone travelling into Gtr Manchester from a Tier 4 area MUST now self Isolate for 10 days or more ...

I can just see all those selfish beggars who fled from London the other night will be only to happy to abide my these new rules ..... NOT


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Yeah like that happened

[Cherie]

Also Walkers Ready Salted Crisod , lagers , cream crackers , assorted biscuit , tomato ketchup and family sized choc desert .


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She has a bag of veg as well so a nod to the 5 a day among the rubbish

[bots]

There is no evidence the current vaccine won’t work, no additional doses required

that is certainly true for the pfizer and moderna vaccines. Their vaccine is based on producing anti bodies against the coronavirus spike which is what it uses to enter human cells, and that is still present in the new variant

[Zizu]

She has a bag of carrots as well so a nod to the 5 a day among the rubbish



Well spotted ... she just needs a chocolate ORANGE and a cream EGG and she’s well on her to a balanced diet ..


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[Vanessa]

I have to go food shopping tomorrow. Wish me luck :laugh:

[Cherie]

Well spotted ... she just needs a chocolate ORANGE all day a cream EGG and she’s well on her to a balanced diet ..


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Or Jaffa cakes :laugh:

Its no wonder type 2 diabetes is rife

[user104658]

Here's a (non-expert) theory.

Don't the lockdowns encourage new strains to evolve that spread more easily? Through the rules of natural selection: the more easily-transmitted versions of the virus are the ones that are passed on while the less-transmittable strains are suppressed.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/cc/f1/35ccf17ba76caa68310a8ce05397e4bb.jpgthink of it in terms of red squirrels and grey squirrels. Grey squirrels breed easier in the uk than red ones, so we quickly became over run by the little buggers, this is the same with covid [emoji23]It's not really like that, viruses are self-replicating, they don't have "breeding traits" not are they in competition for resources so natural selection doesn't really apply. So yes lockdowns would kill off the less easily spread strains more easily, but that wouldn't have any effect on the numbers of the other strains.

[bots]

It's not really like that, viruses are self-replicating, they don't have "breeding traits" not are they in competition for resources so natural selection doesn't really apply. So yes lockdowns would kill off the less easily spread strains more easily, but that wouldn't have any effect on the numbers of the other strains.

yes they would, if someone is infected with one strain of covid, it's unlikely they would be infected by another, so the fast moving virus gobbles up the majority of hosts and the slow moving virus has nowhere to go

[Zizu]

Intriguing...

No actual lab reports on the new variant are available yet !!

We already know that ‘modelling ‘ is hardly reliable

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[user104658]

There is no evidence the current vaccine won’t work, no additional doses requiredI think it's pretty much confirmed (sine it's been sequenced) that the new strain isnt different enough to the original to make the vaccine any less effective. It's just that to achieve herd immunity, the more easily it spreads, the higher a proportion need to be immune to drive it down. Herd immunity isn't necessarily THAT important though if vulnerable groups can be effectively vaccinated. The group it does pose problems for is immune-suppressed people who can't have the vaccine.

[bots]

In reality, the immune suppressed community have never had it so good as the time since March. I think overall, their quality of life has probably improved in that period

[arista]

Loads of Car Drivers & Lorrys
got onto a Portsmouth Ferry last night at 10:30PM
but woke up back at the UK.

That's a real shame for them.


Also from BBC1 London News
Police stopped a Party in "trendy Chelsea"
over 30 people in there.

[Zizu]

I think it's pretty much confirmed (sine it's been sequenced) that the new strain isnt different enough to the original to make the vaccine any less effective. It's just that to achieve herd immunity, the more easily it spreads, the higher a proportion need to be immune to drive it down. Herd immunity isn't necessarily THAT important though if vulnerable groups can be effectively vaccinated. The group it does pose problems for is immune-suppressed people who can't have the vaccine.



It’s worrying that children are apparently far more susceptible to this new variant according the a guy on Sky earlier


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[user104658]

It’s worrying that children are apparently far more susceptible to this new variant according the a guy on Sky earlier


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProTo carrying it, children are not at any increased risk of serious illness.

[arista]

33,364 Today got Covid-19

215 have Died

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,771

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,364


67,616 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

South Africa also has the Mutant Covid-19

Ch4HDnews.

[Beso]

France stopping solo lorry drivers from entering france , but allowing unchecked small boats all summer to come the other way.

[Zizu]

To carrying it, children are not at any increased risk of serious illness.



It’s too early to say that tbh
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[Cherie]

France stopping solo lorry drivers from entering france , but allowing unchecked small boats all summer to come the other way.

These lorry drivers have been in and out of the UK all through the pandemic and will be very aware of how to keep themselves safe , to deny them access back home days before Christmas is a horrible act of political posturing on Macrons behalf, on top of that he is trapping UK drivers in France so it’s not really ideal from a PH point of view

[Cherie]

It’s too early to say that tbh
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It’s not really, as we would be seeing an increase in children’s hospital admissions by now?

[Zizu]

It’s not really, as we would be seeing an increase in children’s hospital admissions by now?



Hopefully you’re right ... although people don’t get it then go straight to hospital .. there’s a couple of weeks delay ..


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[AnnieK]

As its been circulating since September I think we would have begun to hear of kids getting sick now if that were the case. Especially with all the cases there has been in schools. We've always known they are spreaders.

[Vanessa]

These lorry drivers have been in and out of the UK all through the pandemic and will be very aware of how to keep themselves safe , to deny them access back home days before Christmas is a horrible act of political posturing on Macrons behalf, on top of that he is trapping UK drivers in France so it’s not really ideal from a PH point of view

Yes, I hope they get to go home for Christmas.

[Beso]

These lorry drivers have been in and out of the UK all through the pandemic and will be very aware of how to keep themselves safe , to deny them access back home days before Christmas is a horrible act of political posturing on Macrons behalf, on top of that he is trapping UK drivers in France so it’s not really ideal from a PH point of view



I told my yorkie munching pal to grow a moustache and pretend hes 16.

[Scarlett.]

Given our cases went from 12k per day to 35k per day in less than a week, I dont really blame the rest of the world quarantining us until we have more information

[Zizu]

Given our cases went from 12k per day to 35k per day in less than a week, I dont really blame the rest of the world quarantining us until we have more information



Exactly.. 35,000 per day for Sunday and Monday ... the two lowest days normally is a worry


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[Vanessa]

Given our cases went from 12k per day to 35k per day in less than a week, I dont really blame the rest of the world quarantining us until we have more information

Hopefully the vaccine will help to bring the cases down.
I will definitely have it when they offer it.
So I will be protected at work.

[Beso]

Exactly.. 35,000 per day for Sunday and Monday ... the two lowest days normally is a worry


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The deaths are down though

[Vanessa]

We just have to be patient
The vaccine will help to bring cases down.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: our health minister De Jonge said it again last night on talkshow Op1, we won't bring our people back who are stranded in countries like UK, South Africa with the new strain

[Vanessa]

Netherlands: our health minister De Jonge said it again last night on talkshow Op1, we won't bring our people back who are stranded in countries like UK, South Africa with the new strain

I think the new variant is already in Europe.
We were just the first to identify it.

[arista]

I think the new variant is already in Europe.
We were just the first to identify it.


Yes they are not going back with medical notes
like we have.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/government-launches-campaign-to-win-public-backing-for-vaccinations/

NL: government launches campaign to win public backing for vaccinations, starting 8th January

[arista]

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[Vanessa]

Omg let them go home for Christmas :fist:

[user104658]

Multilayered shenanigans going on here IMO. This is also sewing anti-EU sentiment in the UK just in time for a defiant no-deal Brexit... Boris will be loving that part of it.

[Cherie]

I learned today our borough is doing asymptomatic testing..nothing on the London news about it though ..how many others are doing this, and how much is it feeding into the rise in case numbers

[user104658]

I learned today our borough is doing asymptomatic testing..nothing on the London news about it though ..how many others are doing this, and how much is it feeding into the rise in case numbers

:suspect:

In theory it could increase case numbers for that area by 50%, more even, depending on how many they're doing. If they were testing literally everyone it could double them. Especially if they're testing under-30's who have a very high likelihood of being asymptomatic or having very minor symptoms that may not even have flagged as a concern.

[Zizu]

Netherlands: our health minister De Jonge said it again last night on talkshow Op1, we won't bring our people back who are stranded in countries like UK, South Africa with the new strain


I think we said that in March but caved in days later ...


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[reece(:]

Another lie in the basket.

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[arista]

Yes Reece
a numbers error
now corrected by the Home Secretay

[bots]

ah yes, a numbers error, no attempt at deceit at all ... no no no :laugh:

[Cherie]

:suspect:

In theory it could increase case numbers for that area by 50%, more even, depending on how many they're doing. If they were testing literally everyone it could double them. Especially if they're testing under-30's who have a very high likelihood of being asymptomatic or having very minor symptoms that may not even have flagged as a concern.

You just turn up, so anyone can have a test, as long as you have no symptoms, they tested 500.00 on Saturday, they really need to split the numbers as to those with symptoms testing positive and those without, or at least clarify if these numbers are feeding into the daily totals

[bots]

I learned today our borough is doing asymptomatic testing..nothing on the London news about it though ..how many others are doing this, and how much is it feeding into the rise in case numbers

all the high tier areas have that now after the liverpool trial

[user104658]

Yes Reece
a numbers error
now corrected by the Home Secretay

"I thought there were precisely 174 but actually there was over 900 hehe wups I miscounted"

:umm2:

[Beso]

I learned today our borough is doing asymptomatic testing..nothing on the London news about it though ..how many others are doing this, and how much is it feeding into the rise in case numbers

I mentioned last week about this happening in essex.

There was one in the carpark next to my work, I asked one of the guys setting it up if you could just walk in and he said yeah..you are led to a table and instructed on how to take the test yourself..

I've done a home test this morning just cause I'm curious.

[Cherie]

all the high tier areas have that now after the liverpool trial

Liverpool was trumpeted though, only found out this by default, it’s not even on the next door app :fist:

[Cherie]

I mentioned last week about this happening in essex.

There was one in the carpark next to my work, I asked one of the guys setting it up if you could just walk in and he said yeah..you are led to a table and instructed on how to take the test yourself..

I've done a home test this morning just cause I'm curious.

It’s good, it’s just that as there are no shops to go to and ours is in the Town Hall in the middle of the high street, maybe let people know!

[arista]

[India & Ireland suspends flights from the UK until December 31]



The Irish leader is Live on SkyNewsHD
Laying down his new rules for January.
They will go back onto Level 5

More on Ireland Changes
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ireland-to-shut-restaurants-and-gastro-pubs-from-christmas-eve-amid-new-variant-concerns-12170174

[Vanessa]

Two of the managers on my workplace are currently stuck in India.
They won't be able to come back until after the new year.
But the people covering for them are doing a great job.
They're working flat out without any days off and under intense pressure.

[Kizzy]

Two of the managers on my workplace are currently stuck in India.
They won't be able to come back until after the new year.
But the people covering for them are doing a great job.
They're working flat out without any days off and under intense pressure.

It may seem commendable to work that way but it really isn't. Especially in a pandemic you need rest or you'll get run down and more susceptible to all kinds of nasties.

We are in a similar position Vanessa where you are asked to work flat out to cover, these are big companies...they won't fall apart if you take your well deserved time off :)

We all refused after covering hella amounts of shifts this year and they got agency guards in, they cost a bit more that's why they don't like using them.

It's not worth getting stressed or ill over, favours only ever seem to go one way too :/

[Zizu]

Skip to 58 minutes to see Matt Hancock squirm (again) !!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000qpwf/the-andrew-marr-show-20122020


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[SherzyK]

January is going to be a **** show

[arista]

[Covid reaches ANTARCTICA: 36 people stationed at
a Chilean research base catch the disease - meaning
it has now spread to every continent
36 people at General Bernardo O'Higgins Riquelme
base tested positive Monday
This includes 26 army personnel and
another 10 contractors doing maintenance
Chilean army said it had flown back all
those who tested positive for the disease
Comes after Antarctica shut down all
tourist travel in effort to stay Covid-Free.]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/22/08/37137642-0-image-a-1_1608624909565.jpg



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9078401/Covid-reaches-ANTARCTICA-meaning-spread-continent.html

[arista]

January is going to be a **** show


Yes sadly All of the UK
may go to a full lockdown.

[Nicky91]

2 cases in amsterdam with new strain

one was in UK, other wasn't


no extra measures by dutch government for now

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/non-urgent-hospital-care-cancelled-to-head-off-shortage-of-staff/

non-urgent hospital care cancelled, shortage of staff

[Zizu]

Yes sadly All of the UK

may go to a full lockdown.



Apparently there’s been a worrying spike in rural Cumbria !!!

I’m sure they faired really well with the first wave so if they’re getting issues gawd help the rest of us ..


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[arista]

Bell ringing is back
6PM Tomorrow.


Bollocks to that.

[smudgie]

Thought it was xmas eve, magic for the kids.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/22/16/article-9078225-37150710-675_964x543.jpg
The Old Manston Airport.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9078225/France-set-reveal-plans-reopening-UK-border-1-000-lorries-wait-cross-Channel.html

And

Which countries have banned flights from the UK?

EU

All flights from UK banned -

Austria,
Belgium,
Bulgaria,
Croatia,
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Estonia,
Finland,
France,
Germany,
Ireland,
Italy,
Latvia,
Lithuania,
Luxembourg,
Malta,
Netherlands,
Poland,
Romania,
Slovakia,
Slovenia,
Sweden.

UK travellers allowed with a negative test -

Cyprus,
Greece.

Still allowing own nationals to enter -

Greece, Portugal, Spain.

REST OF EUROPE

All flights from UK banned -

Norway,
Switzerland,
Turkey,

REST OF THE WORLD

All flights from UK banned -

Argentina, Canada,
Colombia, Chile,
Dominican Republic,
Ecuador, El Salvador,
Grenada,
Hong Kong,
India,
Israel,
Iran,
Jamaica,
Kuwait, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan,
Peru, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan.

UK travellers allowed with a negative test -

Liberia, US.

[Vanessa]

It may seem commendable to work that way but it really isn't. Especially in a pandemic you need rest or you'll get run down and more susceptible to all kinds of nasties.

We are in a similar position Vanessa where you are asked to work flat out to cover, these are big companies...they won't fall apart if you take your well deserved time off :)

We all refused after covering hella amounts of shifts this year and they got agency guards in, they cost a bit more that's why they don't like using them.

It's not worth getting stressed or ill over, favours only ever seem to go one way too :/

Yes, they are very stressed out.
I hope they get some time off soon, they need it.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: in January first one receiving vaccines are care workers, all hospital staff


normal people might receive vaccine for first time in April

[Zizu]

Bell ringing is back
6PM Tomorrow.


Bollocks to that.



Back ??

When was it here ??


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[Cherie]

Back ??

When was it here ??


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:laugh:

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1341378621815009281

EU's recommendation on travel restrictions for UK

[arista]

Today 691 have died.

36,804 today got Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,943

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,364

Total UK Deaths
68,307


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


COVID-19: UK records highest daily increase
in cases and another 691 deaths
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-highest-daily-increase-in-cases-and-another-691-deaths-12170371

[arista]

France has said their drivers and other EU nationals
can return with a Negative Test from now.

France lifts travel ban for EU nationals in UK – if they test negative for COVID
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-latest-updates-home-secretary-to-answer-questions-on-france-border-chaos-and-potential-new-lockdown-12162014


Not yet for British Drivers.

[arista]

[Travel from the UK to France is set to resume on
Wednesday morning - as long as a negative COVID test is provided
by those seeking to make journeys - following an agreement
between the two countries.

More than 2,800 lorries have been left
trapped in Kent after France shut its
border to UK travellers on Sunday night,
following fears over the spread of a new coronavirus variant.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-good-progress-in-talks-to-reopen-french-border-as-2-800-lorries-queue-in-kent-12170397

[Zizu]

So if they are doing more and more testing then surely they’re gonna find more and more positive cases ?!?!?


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[Will.]

crickey

[arista]

crickey


You are lucky not to be stuck in a Sweaty Lorry.



Some went to get Drivers Covid Tests
but the place was not yet ready.


So the normal test takes 2 days or more.

Tomorrow early at Manston Airport Parking Place
the Fast test (around 30mins) will be done
then they leave for France


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55418565

[Ammi]

crickey

...Will...:love:..

[Ammi]

...it’s heartbreaking seeing the drivers not being able to get home to their families.../...mess...

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: just saw on RTLNieuws 50 celebs have worked alongside couple of DJ's here to arrange for some virtual 'goodbye2020' festivals, which people can stream online, and use zoom to sort of 'socialize and party' with each other

all funded by our government too, so it is free for public, target audience is the youth to prevent them from celebrating new years eve outdoors

[arista]

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Dover : A driver shows the Police that he
has had a negative test confirmed.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/23/08/37178778-9080041-image-a-40_1608712602190.jpg
Look Driver - get you Covid Test
then leave. It is not the Police fault.
French Leader Macron started all this.

[arista]

[Covid-19: Ministers to decide on extension of tier 4 curbs to more areas

15 minutes ago]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55422358

[user104658]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/340A/production/_116222331_gettyimages-1230261912-1.jpg
Dover : A driver shows the Police that he
has had a negative test confirmed.

Weird random addition;

This is an aesthetically gorgeous picture :clap1:.

[Vanessa]

...it’s heartbreaking seeing the drivers not being able to get home to their families.../...mess...

They have their presents ready for their children :bawling:

[arista]

Times Radio Reporter
said the Boats change staff today.

But the Chang over Staff can not get to the port
there is a load of Polish & other EU nations with Vans blocking the port.
They will not go to and get a Covid Test,
they said on SkyNewsHD Live not trust.

Police have arrested one driver

[arista]

Parliament has a Live
Select Committee
on the New Variant.

[arista]

In Ireland
an Irish Minister has Covid-19


BBCNewsHD

[Vanessa]

Thye need to leave those drivwrs go home.
It's Christmas!

[arista]

3pm Live 10 Downing St.

Health Sec.

Possible new zones into Tier 4

[Vanessa]

Another national lockdown :bawling:

[arista]

Another national lockdown :bawling:


Most think its other places to go onto Tier 4
or as you fear a national lockdown.

3PM Live
SkyNewsHD
BBC1HD
LBC
radio5
Times Radio

[Mystic Mock]

...it’s heartbreaking seeing the drivers not being able to get home to their families.../...mess...

Will this nightmare ever end?:laugh:

We're seriously run by incompetent idiots.

[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

10.447 new cases

297 new hospitalisations (2.289 in total)

56 new ICU patients (603 in total)

106 new deaths

[Nicky91]

Germany's christmas corona rules


What are the contact restrictions right now?

Until at least January 10th 2021, private meetings indoors and outdoors are only allowed with members of your own household and one other household, with a maximum of five people over the age of 14; younger children are exempt from the rule.

What's changing at Christmas?

For the period from December 24th to 26th, the government and states have agreed to allow a slight relaxation of this rule.

"Even in this special year, it should be possible for the Christmas days to be celebrated together. However, in view of the high incidence of infection, this will only be possible on a much smaller scale than usual," said the German government and 16 states in a final decision paper.

Here's what is allowed:

1. Your household can invite or gather with four people over the age of 14 during this time

2. Children under the age of 14 are not counted in the total number of people.

3. Only meetings within the closest family circle are allowed. However, because this is difficult to define formally, the politicians have specifically named various groups of people. They mention "spouses, partners and partners in a non-marital partnership as well as relatives in a straight line, siblings, siblings' children and their respective household members".

4. The policy appeals to everyone to take a "protection week" before meetings. That means that people should cut down social contact as much as possible for five to seven days before celebrating with people.

Examples:

- So an older couple can celebrate with two adult children, their partners and all grandchildren under 14 (household plus four).

- Note the rule only extends to relatives in a "straight line". An elderly couple with one adult child would therefore not be allowed to invite uncles and aunts in addition to their family (household plus two), even if the number of four adult guests is not reached.

- If the couple has three adult children with their own family (household plus six), one of the adult children would have to celebrate elsewhere.

- The situation is different if one of the three children is older but still lives at home. Then it counts as part of the parents' household (household plus four).

What happens if you are not celebrating with family?

Then the current rule applies: no more than two households in total can meet with a maximum of five people. Children under 14 are exempt from the rule.

Was this one of the topics thoroughly discussed?

Most likely. The examples show how difficult it was for Chancellor Angela Merkel and state leaders to find a solution for Christmas.

Not all sides are happy with the wording announced either. According to a transcript from the meeting participants, the point "does not make the intention sufficiently clear", reported Spiegel.

Previously, the government and states were to allow a maximum of 10 people to meet from any number of households between December 23rd and 31st, but this does not apply anymore.

The paper also contains an important restriction: the Christmas rule only applies "depending on the respective infection situation" in the state.

Should the situation escalate further, individual state governments can switch to stricter contact restrictions during the holidays.

Can you travel to visit people?

Travel is not banned, but a further appeal is being made to the public to refrain from non-essential domestic and international travel. The quarantine rule for arrivals from foreign risk areas remains in place.

What about state differences?

As we said earlier, states can choose to enforce different rules depending on the Covid-19 situation.

Keep an eye on your local government decisions for any state differences.

https://www.thelocal.de/20201218/what-exactly-are-germanys-christmas-meeting-rules

[Nicky91]

"protection week" means creating a 'bubble' yourself, if anyone there got plans to have family over for christmas

+ selftestkits which is also very useful, to test yourself, make sure the ones who come over also get themselves tested etc


those government and state council meetings over there have been going on like marathons daily, but finally they also come to some agreements now

[arista]

We go Live to 10 Downing St.
in a min

[arista]

Live Now

[Zizu]

We go Live to 10 Downing St.
in a min



Have they not released the new figures ??

I’m dreading the infection rate reaching 40,000 + daily

Even the Uk Gov site only quotes yesterday’s figures !!!!
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[arista]

Have they not released the new figures ??

I’m dreading the infection rate reaching 40,000 + daily


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Not yet.

But the R rate has gone up to 1.3

He saying cases rising in Tier 3.


He is talking about yesterday 691 deaths

[Zizu]

Not yet.



But the R rate has gone up to 1.3



He’s LIVE now but for some bizarre reason he’s omitted the daily infection figure !!
I fear that it’s an outrageously high number and he’s scared of revealing it !!


Deaths
Hospital cases
Admissions


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[arista]

He’s LIVE now but for some bizarre reason he’s omitted the daily infection figure !!

Deaths
Hospital cases
Admissions


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They come out 4PM or later

[Zizu]

They come out 4PM or later



Why tell us all the other figures though .. but not the infection figure


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[arista]

Good news Vanessa
not total lockdown

Its Tiers going up.

Cornwall moves to Tier2

[Mystic Mock]

Good news Vanessa
not total lockdown

Its Tiers going up.

Cornwall moves to Tier2

His dragging this **** out.

They're clearly gonna put us all in another Lockdown so it's better to do it sooner rather than later imo.

[arista]

On Boxing Day
Essex
Norfolk
Sussex
Waverlely in Surrey
Oxfordshire
Hampshire

All move into Tier 4



[Sussex
Oxfordshire
Suffolk
Norfolk
Cambridgeshire
Parts of Essex currently not in Tier 4
Waverley in Surrey
Hampshire, with the exception of the New Forest]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-several-more-areas-in-england-put-into-tier-4-12171224

[Zizu]

Yikes yet ANOTHER new strain in the UK !!

Two cases already identified !!!


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[arista]

Yikes yet ANOTHER new strain in the UK !!

Two cases already identified !!!


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Yes South African Variation

[arista]

Now
its Jenny with her slides

[bots]

the whole country is going to be in tier 4 by new year

[Zizu]

Yes South African Variation



But it’s HERE ... and it’s modified even more than the one from last week


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[Zizu]

Now
its Jenny with her slides



Maybe she’s gonna reveal the infection figure ...


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[Denver]

What did they expect? Viruses adapt to didnt environments and always strain of into other variants hence why when it first came to Europe it was a different variant to the one in Asia

[Cherie]

Mr. C has a colleague who has corona, his wife and 2 kids have it and both sets of Grandparents as they look after the kids one day a week each, so it looks like a highly contagious strain

[Zizu]

Have they not released the new figures ??

I’m dreading the infection rate reaching 40,000 + daily

Even the Uk Gov site only quotes yesterday’s figures !!!!
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39,237 new infections !!!!!


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[arista]

Today 744 have Died

39,237 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
20,917

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,529


69,051 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

39,237 new infections !!!!!


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They are testing more symptomatic so Im guessing that is contributing to the number

[arista]

1341762919634186246

Virgin Media unlike Sky
can not update its media fast.
BBC1 Cancelled that film, Put a shorter animation
on as they were aware of a 10 Downing St., Briefing today.

[arista]

1341708424900452352

Yes the left wing Mirror Paper
typical fake news

[arista]

1341819830442274819

[Crimson Dynamo]

was in 3 supermarkets today and it was normal

no one in the last bothered by the latest hysteria

[arista]

1341825912699031552

[Vanessa]

was in 3 supermarkets today and it was normal

no one in the last bothered by the latest hysteria

I'm going tomorrow. :worry:

[Zizu]

Did I just hear right ??

I was just passing past the telly and there was some medical guy on saying on sky saying they’re concerned about these new variants and they’re frantically checking data from those who’d had the first strain to see if any have had the second one ( or third)


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[user104658]

1341708424900452352

Yes the left wing Mirror Paper
typical fake news

It's an easy mistake to make; the first picture was taken just after Niamh had been in and they hadn't had time to restock yet.

[joeysteele]

It may depend where the Stores are however, I've seen no empty shelves and enough of everything in the Stores I've been in yesterday and today.

Plus, Hancock was interesting to listen to today at his press conference.
He seemed more ready to give more information and answer questions properly.

If his actions were to match his verbal side, he may start to get much more needed to be, right.

I did once think he'd have made a better leader of the Cons.
Today in what he said, he impressed me surprisingly.

[Beso]

All stores I was in today were actually faster moving than they normally are ..it was a delight.

Couldnt find goose fat though...1 day to go to stop a xmas meltdown.

[Vanessa]

It may depend where the Stores are however, I've seen no empty shelves and enough of everything in the Stores I've been in yesterday and today.

Plus, Hancock was interesting to listen to today at his press conference.
He seemed more ready to give more information and answer questions properly.

If his actions were to match his verbal side, he may start to get much more needed to be, right.

I did once think he'd have made a better leader of the Cons.
Today in what he said, he impressed me surprisingly.
Yes, he did well today.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/23/21/37203232-0-image-m-4_1608757944678.jpg

[Zizu]

Did I just hear right ??

I was just passing past the telly and there was some medical guy on sky saying they’re concerned about these new variants and they’re frantically checking data from those who’d had the first strain to see if any have had the second one ( or third)


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Just seen it again .. Dr Richard Lessells ( South African Infectious Disease Specialist)


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[arista]

China has now Banned all Flights from UK to China
until further notice.

Covid-19 Variation Concern.

[Zizu]

China has now Banned all Flights from UK to China
until further notice.

Covid-19 Variation Concern.



How rude :)


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[Alf]

Nightingale, gone


1341750522773159936

[Captain.Remy]

The best part of this pandemic is no office Secret Santa.

[user104658]

Just seen it again .. Dr Richard Lessells ( South African Infectious Disease Specialist)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProYes, there is another concerning new strain identified in South Africa.

[Zizu]

The best part of this pandemic is no office Secret Santa.



... and no office parties !!


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[arista]

How rude :)





China has no choice
they gave the World this Killer Virus
they do not want a Variation Covid-19 Killer
sneaking in.

[arista]

Nightingale, gone


1341750522773159936



Yes a PR stunt.

[James]

I just heard an advert on Spotify, where they said when spending more time indoors at this time of year, you should let fresh air into your house to let the virus particles out.

I hadn't heard that advice before.

[bots]

I just heard an advert on Spotify, where they said when spending more time indoors at this time of year, you should let fresh air into your house to let the virus particles out.

I hadn't heard that advice before.

i'm not really a fan of open windows when it's close to zero outside :laugh:

I think the good ventilation aspect only comes into play when you have multiple households under the same roof, which is pretty much a no no for most of the UK

[bots]

in the lorry queue down the road from me ... 2000 lorry drivers have been tested so far and 3 of those tests are positive

[Kizzy]

in the lorry queue down the road from me ... 2000 lorry drivers have been tested so far and 3 of those tests are positive

That's probably waaaay less than average for the rest of the UK the SE definately!.. Let the poor sods go home before we infect them!
Bet they have some lovely stories of how warm and hospitable we were :/

[arista]

in the lorry queue down the road from me ... 2000 lorry drivers have been tested so far and 3 of those tests are positive


Yes those 3 can go to a Hotel
to wait 10 days, for next test.

[Zizu]

Nightingale, gone


1341750522773159936



It looks like we will be needing it back !!

And soon


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[Kizzy]

Just sums up our whole response really doesn't it?.. facade and no substance.

[arista]

Today 574 have died

39,036 today got Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
21,286

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,529

69,625 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

[Zizu]

Today 574 have died

39,036 today got Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
21,286

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,529

69,625 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths



Bet they ‘keep’ the daily infection rate under 40,000 for as long as they can then there’ll be a computer glitch and we’ll get a crazy high number one day when
can’t hide the truth any longer .


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[arista]

It is close to 40,000

Open up that not used, wasted
fast built hospital.

[arista]

Important Update on this Holiday Time
Numbers are Lower because of this
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#holiday-season-2020-schedule

Today 570 have Died

70,195 Total Deaths


Patients in hospital same numbers as Yesterday


32,725 have got Covid -19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

New Infections ?



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[MTVN]

Nice to see lower cases on Christmas

[arista]

Nice to see lower cases on Christmas


They are Not lower
read that link

Over This Holiday
not all 4 nations give the numbers

[MTVN]

Going in the right direction it seems to me, feared it might be over 40,000

[arista]

New Infections ?



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Yes 32 thousand
but check that Link
we are not getting all nation numbers
over the holiday

[Zizu]

Yes 32 thousand

but check that Link

we are not getting all nation numbers

over the holiday



Thanks


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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/170DA/production/_116262449_mirrorfront26dec-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/126A2/production/_116262457_thesun-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/402A/production/_116262461_26dec1front01-nc.png

[Nicky91]

Japan, South Korea also going up in terms of new cases, some bit of cause to be on high alert but its not that high

Japan: just over 3.100 new cases

South Korea: slightly over 1.100 new cases

a record daily amount for them, so yeah it is good they are paying close attention to this, likely some stricter measures to come there, good to see they are on high alert even with ''low numbers'' compared to back with us in western countries

[Zizu]

The first case of the “ UK variant “ has been confirmed in France this morning ..


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[arista]

The first case of the “ UK variant “ has been confirmed in France this morning ..






Yes bound to happen.

[Cherie]

The first case of the “ UK variant “ has been confirmed in France this morning ..


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are we able to call it the UK variant, given we can’t call it the Chinese virus? :fan:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: we received our first batch of vaccine doses of Pfizer

so in the fridge until 8th of January

[Zizu]

are we able to call it the UK variant, given we can’t call it the Chinese virus? :fan:



That’s what TalkSport called it :)



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[DouglasS]

are we able to call it the UK variant, given we can’t call it the Chinese virus? :fan:

It’s ridiculous isn’t it :laugh:

[arista]

The first case of the “ UK variant “ has been confirmed in France this morning ..





Also, Sweden now has a case of it.

[bots]

Spain also has the variant

[Cherie]

And the Republic of Ireland

[Nicky91]

yeah so, it just means we all need the vaccinations to go a bit quicker if possible

no reason for panic

[arista]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#holiday-season-2020-schedule

No data from Scotland or Northern Ireland

Today 210 have Died
Total deaths 70,405


Today 34,693 have got Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
21,286

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,529

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Additional Data :Covid-19 / UK Variant has spread to
France
Sweden
Switzerland
Spain
Italy
Ireland
Canada
Netherlands

From BBC:
[Three things are coming together that
mean the new variant is attracting attention:

It is rapidly replacing other versions of the virus
It has mutations that affect part of the virus likely to be important
Some of those mutations have already been shown
in the lab to increase the ability of the virus to infect cells.

All of these build a case for a virus that can spread more easily,
says the BBC's health and science correspondent, James Gallagher.

However, there is no evidence that the new variant is more lethal,
and the leading vaccines developed in recent months
should still work, experts say.]


Also
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55428953
2 have the South African Variant Covid-19

[Vanessa]

Just came back from Kew Gardens.
So happy it's open.
I love the place.

[arista]

Just came back from Kew Gardens.
So happy it's open.
I love the place.



Yes great to Photograph.

[Nicky91]

in Germany, first vaccine had been given to 101 yr old Edith Kwoizalla in the town of Halberstadt in region Sachsen-Anhalt

also 40 other residents of a care home and 10 of care home workers there have been vaccinated

[arista]

in Germany, first vaccine had been given to 101 yr old Edith Kwoizalla in the town of Halberstadt in region Sachsen-Anhalt

also 40 other residents of a care home and 10 of care home workers there have been vaccinated


That would be good on Worldwide news.

[Zizu]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#holiday-season-2020-schedule

No data from Scotland or Northern Ireland

Today 210 have Died
Total deaths 70,405


Today 34,693 have got Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
21,286

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,529

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Additional Data :Covid-19 / UK Variant has spread to
France
Sweden
Switzerland
Spain
Italy
Ireland

From BBC:
[Three things are coming together that
mean the new variant is attracting attention:

It is rapidly replacing other versions of the virus
It has mutations that affect part of the virus likely to be important
Some of those mutations have already been shown
in the lab to increase the ability of the virus to infect cells.

All of these build a case for a virus that can spread more easily,
says the BBC's health and science correspondent, James Gallagher.

However, there is no evidence that the new variant is more lethal,
and the leading vaccines developed in recent months
should still work, experts say.]


Also
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55428953
2 have the South African Variant Covid-19



Again the news infections is scarily high for the weekend


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[Zizu]

in Germany, first vaccine had been given to 101 yr old Edith Kwoizalla in the town of Halberstadt in region Sachsen-Anhalt

also 40 other residents of a care home and 10 of care home workers there have been vaccinated



Some hopeful news ... my auntie of 94 has made a full recovery from Covid !!


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqPCfvlXMAUtD11?format=jpg&name=small

[Vanessa]

The Oxford vaccine is expected to be approved very soon.
This is great news!

[AnnieK]

Some hopeful news ... my auntie of 94 has made a full recovery from Covid !!


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That's great news Zizu. A strong lady :love:

[bots]

The Oxford vaccine is expected to be approved very soon.
This is great news!

i'm not so sure. It has a protection rate something like 60%+, and i'm going to refuse it if there is one that is 95%+

[Vanessa]

i'm not so sure. It has a protection rate something like 60%+, and i'm going to refuse it if there is one that is 95%+

It's 95 %now.
I would take it in a heartbeat.
Sounds excellent!

[Kizzy]

i'm not so sure. It has a protection rate something like 60%+, and i'm going to refuse it if there is one that is 95%+

Where did you get 60% from?

[Zizu]

This doesn’t sound too hopeful .. I’ve had doubts all along about various aspects of the vaccines .

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[Cherie]

This doesn’t sound too hopeful .. I’ve had doubts all along about various aspects of the vaccines .

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Is that the Mirror? They were peddling no deal last week, bringing politics into health issues should be criminalised

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: corona testing locations are closed due to the storm, so lesser people could get tested today

todays numbers NL

9.108 new cases

243 new hospitalisations (2.428 in total)

42 new ICU patients (631 in total)

29 new deaths

[bots]

It's 95 %now.
I would take it in a heartbeat.
Sounds excellent!

no, it has a protection rate 60-90%, that hasn't changed

[Vanessa]

no, it has a protection rate 60-90%, that hasn't changed

It goes up to 90%if administered one dose and then half dose.

[Zizu]

It goes up to 90%if administered one dose and then half dose.



I heard that they were considering giving as many as possible ONE dose to try and but some time and give them all ‘some’ protection and worry about the second dose later on ...


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[arista]

Is that the Mirror? They were peddling no deal last week, bringing politics into health issues should be criminalised

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqM3SOAUcAAM-cp?format=jpg&name=small


Yes the Mirror
trying to sell their paper

[Cherie]

I heard that they were considering giving as many as possible ONE dose to try and but some time and give them all ‘some’ protection and worry about the second dose later on ...


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Some are calling for it, the government are not considering it

Personally I think do the job the right way, I presume in the trials the second shot was given 3 weeks after the first, so tinkering with that would be madness as there is no data on delaying the second jab?

[bots]

It goes up to 90%if administered one dose and then half dose.

no, there were examples where that occured but that could be explained by the group it was given to were also all younger. The data states 60-90% ... that is the factual result, and as such, I won't be taking it when there is a vaccine that offers 95% protection without caveat.

[Zizu]

Some are calling for it, the government are not considering it



Personally I think do the job the right way, I presume in the trials the second shot was given 3 weeks after the first, so tinkering with that would be madness as there is no data on delaying the second jab?



Plus this morning on the radio I heard that the army will be going into schools on January to show teachers how to administer the vaccines !!!

Surely not !?!?


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[user104658]

I heard that they were considering giving as many as possible ONE dose to try and but some time and give them all ‘some’ protection and worry about the second dose later on ...


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Doesn't work like that; yes one dose of a vaccine can give some protection, but if you miss the "window" for the second dose you have to start over... you can't just "worry about it later" and take it whenever. I guess they might mean give one dose to bring down case numbers and then totally restart with "proper" vaccination later, but that would be a massive waste of MILLIONS of doses which seems utterly immoral given that there are many countries out there that aren't going to be able to vaccinate at all.

[Zizu]

Doesn't work like that; yes one dose of a vaccine can give some protection, but if you miss the "window" for the second dose you have to start over... you can't just "worry about it later" and take it whenever. I guess they might mean give one dose to bring down case numbers and then totally restart with "proper" vaccination later, but that would be a massive waste of MILLIONS of doses which seems utterly immoral given that there are many countries out there that aren't going to be able to vaccinate at all.



Well that’s what was mentioned ... they are clearly expecting the worst in the coming weeks and a huge increase in infections equates to huge numbers of deaths ..


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[Kizzy]

I haven't followed the stats as closely are as many dying as a proportion as there were in april/may?
I thought the new strains were more infectious but less deadly?

[arista]

Today Sunday the 27th Dec 2020
316 have died.

30,501 Got Covid-19 today.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
21,286

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,529


70,752 Total UK Deaths (without some parts)
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#holiday-season-2020-schedule

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

TalkSport just reported that a German hospital has had to dispose of tens of THOUSANDS of vaccines due to them not being kept at a low enough temperature ..

I was slighted when I mentioned my concerns weeks ago that I had doubts that the vaccines would all go smoothly - as mistakes happen ..


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

they are going to have to do a really strict national lockdown to reduce the pressure on the nhs. We still have 2 or 3 weeks before the Christmas mingling has an affect

[Vanessa]

they are going to have to do a really strict national lockdown to reduce the pressure on the nhs. We still have 2 or 3 weeks before the Christmas mingling has an affect

We definitely need a lockdown.

[Nicky91]

they are going to have to do a really strict national lockdown to reduce the pressure on the nhs. We still have 2 or 3 weeks before the Christmas mingling has an affect

everyone is already in lockdown

[bots]

everyone is already in lockdown

no they are not, they can be a lot stricter. You need to work on your attitude Nicky, it stinks

[AnnieK]

they are going to have to do a really strict national lockdown to reduce the pressure on the nhs. We still have 2 or 3 weeks before the Christmas mingling has an affect

I agree....the main thing being they need to keep schools closed this time for a couple of weeks considering they have found out this spreads even easier in children. Its not ideal but given we are so close with the vaccines now, they need to just keep us in like in March for a couple of weeks to really give it time to drive the infections down again then the immunisation programme can ne most effective

[Zizu]

I agree....the main thing being they need to keep schools closed this time for a couple of weeks considering they have found out this spreads even easier in children. Its not ideal but given we are so close with the vaccines now, they need to just keep us in like in March for a couple of weeks to really give it time to drive the infections down again then the immunisation programme can ne most effective



Gove has just confirmed on Sky News
Primary Schools all return as normal !
Secondary Schools will also return on 4th Jan but ONLY for Yr 11 and Yr 13 pupils plus KeyWorker children !!!

All Secondary pupils to return as normal 11th Jan !!


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[AnnieK]

Gove has just confirmed on Sky News
Primary Schools all return as normal !
Secondary Schools will also return on 4th Jan but ONLY for Yr 11 and Yr 13 pupils plus KeyWorker children !!!

All Secondary pupils to return as normal 11th Jan !!


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I'll give it a week before my son is off then....:laugh:
He was off 3 times when cases were lower so they are bound to be isolated again

[Nicky91]

no they are not, they can be a lot stricter. You need to work on your attitude Nicky, it stinks

yes you're right, it can go a lot stricter still

especially now with the more contagious new strain

we need to act before it is too late, as for the vaccines going way too slow here in my country ugh, all because we don't want to disappoint that french company

[Denver]

they are going to have to do a really strict national lockdown to reduce the pressure on the nhs. We still have 2 or 3 weeks before the Christmas mingling has an affect

With this Oxford Jab set to roll out next week they are predicting around 15m people will have the vaccine by March which would suggest we are almost out of the woods and we will probaly have another 1 month lockdown in between

[Vanessa]

With this Oxford Jab set to roll out next week they are predicting around 15m people will have the vaccine by March which would suggest we are almost out of the woods and we will probaly have another 1 month lockdown in between

Omg can you imagine that we could soon be able to have our normal life back?
I'm so emotional at the thought :bawling:

[Mystic Mock]

Omg can you imagine that we could soon be able to have our normal life back?
I'm so emotional at the thought :bawling:

We're really close now.:)

[user104658]

Dunno how it could be any stricter here. No travel between counties, non-essential retail closed (thankfully no dumb **** like taping off areas of supermarkets), work from home, and schools closed until the 18th at least(I thi k into February is more likely). Unless they start a "don't leave your homes for any reason" policy.

[user104658]

With this Oxford Jab set to roll out next week they are predicting around 15m people will have the vaccine by March which would suggest we are almost out of the woods and we will probaly have another 1 month lockdown in between

Bull****.

[Zizu]

With this Oxford Jab set to roll out next week they are predicting around 15m people will have the vaccine by March which would suggest we are almost out of the woods and we will probaly have another 1 month lockdown in between



Sadly THEY make a lot of predictions... I saw something last week suggesting that only about 5% of ‘those’ promised laptops ever made it to the schools /colleges


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[Vanessa]

At least we need the most vulnerable people to be vaccinated.
Then things will get better.

[bots]

The oxford vaccine leaves a 40% chance you will catch covid, therefore it only becomes effective when the majority of the world is vaccinated, and that isnt going to happen any time soon

[Cherie]

Bull****.

Don’t see why not, the Oxford vaccine would be similar to a flu jab roll out and that takes about 2/3 months for 25 million

[arista]

Today 357 have Died
Total Deaths :71,109


41,385 Today have been tested and have Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
21,286

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,529


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


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[bots]

41,385 is an enormous number of newly infected cases. This doesnt yet take Christmas into account, January is going to be hell