Coronavirus Outbreak

[arista]

Shaun Posted:
"If anyone wants to make a 2nd thread feel free, there's usually a 5000~ post limit per thread on here so I guess we're way overdue"
His mega thread:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364573&page=429


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[arista]

Covid 19 Worldwide Deaths
at over 50 mark
nations


USA :93,163
UK : 35,785
Italy:32,330
France :28,135
Spain:27,888
Brazil :17,971
Belgium :9,150
Germany :8,144
Iran :7,183
Canada:6,143
Netherlands: 5,767
Mexico:5,666
China: 4,667
Turkey:4,222
Sweden :3,831
India :3,434
Peru:3,024
Russia:2,972
Ecuador:2,839
Switzerland:1,892
Ireland:1,571
Portugal:1,263
Indonesia:1,242
Romania:1,147
Pakistan:885
Poland:962
Philippines :842
Japan :768
Egypt:680
Austria:633
Colombia :613
Algeria:568
Ukraine:564
Denmark:554
Chile:544
Hungary:470
Dominican Republic:446
Argentina:394
Bangladesh :386
Saudi Arabia :339
South Africa:339
Finland:304
Czechia:304
Panama:281
Israel :279
South Korea:263
Serbia:235
Norway:234
United Arab Emirates:233
Moldova:228
Morocco:194
Nigeria :192
Bolivia:189
Afghanistan:187
Belarus:179
Greece:166
Honduras:147
Cameron :140
Bosnia: 136
Iraq:134
Kuwait:124
Bulgaria:116
Malaysia :114
Sudan:111
North Macedonia:110
Luxembourg:109
Slovenia:105
Australia:100
Croatia:96
Cuba: 79
Estonia:64
Congo (DRC):61
Somalia:61
Lithuania:60
Niger:58
Chad:57
Thailand :56
Mali :52
Andorra:51
Burkina Faso:52
Andorra:51
Kenya:50


Professional Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

USA update from CNN HD

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[arista]

On BBCnewsHD Hardtalk
A Sweden Official.

They spoke of Stricter Early "Denmark" first Lockdown

This got me Angry with MP Gove
who said on interviews, yesterday casually
look at "Denmark" for School Education.
But they have a Lockdown much Harder
then our Conservative stupid run
UK.

[arista]

Michael O'Leary the Ryan Air CEO
was just on Radio 4.
He is going ahead with Flights in July
and all must put a mask on.

He said the Government can not Police
this 14 day
UK quarantine plan is idiotic, unenforceable

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ryanair-quarantine/ryanair-ceo-says-uk-quarantine-plan-is-idiotic-unenforceable-idUSKBN22O0YN

A link 6 days ago.

[Nicky91]

tomorrow there will be new easing down measures

now elementary schools will partially reopen

and it is looking like very likely the 1st of June easing down to go ahead as planned, like movie theatres partially reopening, restaurants partially reopening

but all will be said in more detail tomorrow evening in the annual press conference by Mark Rutte and minister of health Hugo De Jonge

[arista]

tomorrow there will be new easing down measures

now elementary schools will partially reopen

and it is looking like very likely the 1st of June easing down to go ahead as planned, like movie theatres partially reopening, restaurants partially reopening

but all will be said in more detail tomorrow evening in the annual press conference by Mark Rutte and minister of health Hugo De Jonge

Are Mask's going to be compulsory there
unlike England?

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[Cherie]

At least there is more capacity train wise this morning

[Nicky91]

Are Mask's going to be compulsory there
unlike England?

more like a advice, not a must

and movie theatres partially reopening like, just a handful of people at a time spread across the room, so not people too close to each other

same goes for restaurants, also tables with 1.5 metres distance from each other and also not overly crowded, more pre-arranged dining appointments with requested specific times

[Nicky91]

in light of more positive news, here in Netherlands

40 people have volunteered to let themselves getting infected with COVID-19 for research.

[Kazanne]

A woman on JV this morning had a good point about schools , people moan about the lockdown being 2 weeks too late, but the virus was about then when schools were operating as normal and nothing was out of the norm, its ok for teachers to not want to go back as they have the unions behind them and are on full pay, some children are in vunerable homes etc and need to be somewhere safe, also some schools have never closed ,and pupils have been attending,so for me I think we are being unnecessarily scared,as life is never guaranteed 100% no one can guarantee anywhere is 'safe' .

[Zizu]

in light of more positive news, here in Netherlands

40 people have volunteered to let themselves getting infected with COVID-19 for research.



Wow


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[AnnieK]

A woman on JV this morning had a good point about schools , people moan about the lockdown being 2 weeks too late, but the virus was about then when schools were operating as normal and nothing was out of the norm, its ok for teachers to not want to go back as they have the unions behind them and are on full pay, some children are in vunerable homes etc and need to be somewhere safe, also some schools have never closed ,and pupils have been attending,so for me I think we are being unnecessarily scared,as life is never guaranteed 100% no one can guarantee anywhere is 'safe' .

I personally think that older kids should have gone back first - those who have more of a chance of understanding and being able to abide by social distancing. Then we could see what would happen to the R and made decisions on getting the younger children back based on the scientific evidence of having schools open again.

[bots]

Loss of smell or taste have been added to the UK's list of coronavirus symptoms that people should look out for and self-isolate with.

Until now, only a fever and cough were triggers for people to shut themselves away in self-isolation in case they had and could spread the infection.

Ear, nose and throat doctors had been warning for weeks that more symptoms should be included.

Scientific advisers told the government to update the advice.

If you or someone you live with has any of these symptoms - a new, continuous cough, fever or loss of smell or taste (also called anosmia) - the advice is stay at home for seven days to stop the risk of giving coronavirus to others.

Cough and loss of smell or taste can persist after seven days. You do not need to keep self-isolating after seven days, unless you have a high temperature or are unwell, says the advice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52704417

I know quite a few people who lost their sense of taste or smell with no other symptoms

[arista]

"update the advice."

Yes its new info
to some, so worth posting.

[The Slim Reaper]

Loss of smell and taste were known as symptoms fairly early on.

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[Niamh.]

Phase 1 has begun here today, bit nervous/interested to see how this goes. Fingers crossed we don't go backwards

[Kizzy]

A woman on JV this morning had a good point about schools , people moan about the lockdown being 2 weeks too late, but the virus was about then when schools were operating as normal and nothing was out of the norm, its ok for teachers to not want to go back as they have the unions behind them and are on full pay, some children are in vunerable homes etc and need to be somewhere safe, also some schools have never closed ,and pupils have been attending,so for me I think we are being unnecessarily scared,as life is never guaranteed 100% no one can guarantee anywhere is 'safe' .

Teachers are not on full pay, there has to be certain criteria before state schools can even furlough staff.

Yes schools were open in the two weeks before lockdown, the death rate was exploding at that time, and you say nothing was out of the norm?
Key workers and vulnerable kids are already at school they have been throughout, including over the Easter holidays. Don't forget teachers not only have that backing of the unions but the BMA.
What does life isn't guaranteed 100% mean? That you should just recklessly put your faith in government advisors rather that experts again, I know Mr Gove is all about that but for me?.. No thank you.

https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-state-schools-can-furlough-some-staff?amp

[arista]

Coronavirus: Ryanair describes 14-day flight
quarantine plan as 'nonsense'

Michael O'Leary told Sky News he believed
ministers were "making stuff up as
they go along" - saying such a precaution
was unworkable and unenforceable.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-ryanair-describes-14-day-flight-quarantine-plan-as-nonsense-11990221



As a CEO he has made the best points today
on every UK TV news and Radio.

[arista]

Phase 1 has begun here today, bit nervous/interested to see how this goes. Fingers crossed we don't go backwards


So long as all follow your new rules
as they change.

[Cherie]

Coronavirus: Ryanair describes 14-day flight
quarantine plan as 'nonsense'

Michael O'Leary told Sky News he believed
ministers were "making stuff up as
they go along" - saying such a precaution
was unworkable and unenforceable.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-ryanair-describes-14-day-flight-quarantine-plan-as-nonsense-11990221



As a CEO he has made the best points today
on every UK TV news and Radio.

He has a point, people were told to self isolate if they came from a country with an outbreak, took the train home, went to work, took cabs to A and E, it will be no different this time, in China they were taken from the airport to accommodation where they were fed and watered for 14 days before they were left loose in the country, that is not going to happen here

[Niamh.]

So long as all follow your new rules
as they change.

Yeah, let's hope so, the next week or two will tell a lot

[Niamh.]

It all feels so odd though, it feels like everyone has been hibernating the last couple of months and we're slowly starting to wake up and stick a toe out of bed again

[Cherie]

It all feels so odd though, it feels like everyone has been hibernating the last couple of months and we're slowly starting to wake up and stick a toe out of bed again

Are you back in the office Niamh or at home?

[Niamh.]

Are you back in the office Niamh or at home?Still at home right now but the phones have already started getting a bit busier since this morning so we'll see how the next few days go, I think I'll be going back in soon

[Cherie]

Still at home right now but the phones have already started getting a bit busier since this morning so we'll see how the next few days go, I think I'll be going back in soon

Are you ready to go back?

[Nicky91]

NL

27 new hospitalisations

14 new dead (death total now here at 5,694

146 new cases

[Cherie]

NL

27 new hospitalisations

14 new dead (death total now here at 5,694

146 new cases

Never thought I would be clapping 14 dead but that's great news and given you are guys are partially open as well, it gives me hope

[Niamh.]

Are you ready to go back?

I don't know, I think I've become a bit institutionalised :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't know, I think I've become a bit institutionalised :laugh:

One flew over the Cork-hoo's nest? :smug:

[Niamh.]

One flew over the Cork-hoo's nest? :smug:

:laugh:

[Cherie]

I don't know, I think I've become a bit institutionalised :laugh:


I think we all have

We had a virtual meet with friends at the weekend, drinks in hand who needs to go out :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I think we all have

We had a virtual meet with friends at the weekend, drinks in hand who needs to go out :shrug:

Luke is just about to go out the door to go for walk with one of his friends, the first time since March. He's been so good through it all, he hasn't complained once

[arista]

The Chancellor Sunak MP
is live on TV News
taking questions in Parliament
on his scheme.

[arista]

NL

27 new hospitalisations

14 new dead (death total now here at 5,694

146 new cases


5,713
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Zizu]

Loss of smell and taste were known as symptoms fairly early on.



Just heard that on LBC radio news ... they said that they’d asked one million people who thought they’d had the virus for their symptoms !!

Asking people who ‘thought’ they may have had the virus doesn’t sound very scientific to me !!!!


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[arista]

[Coronavirus: Bella Italia owner in talks with creditors
about restructuring
The company, which employs about 6,000 people,
is preparing to launch a radical
financial restructuring]


[It is expected to involve company
voluntary arrangements (CVAs) for two of its
three brands - Bella Italia, Café Rouge and Las Iguanas - with the
other being placed into administration.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-bella-italia-owner-in-talks-with-creditors-about-restructuring-11990344


Cafe Rouge can hardly adapt to Covid 19 Safety, I assume.

[Scarlett.]

The company I work for is days away from admin itself

[arista]

The company I work for is days away from admin itself


Hang in there Scarlett.

Sadly its getting worse
all over the World.

China's Covid 19
is putting so many nations
into a depression.

Japan as expected
got far worse today

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[arista]

Around 5PM its Raab MP
10 Downing St. Live briefing

No Johnson PM- Typical coward.

[arista]

West Yorkshire
Care home Boss said he can not get tests
was just live on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Spain aims to welcome
back foreign visitors by late June
Spain will welcome back foreigners
once its own nationals can move freely
around the country, its transport minister has said.]


In time for Ryanair July launch.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-spain-aims-to-welcome-back-foreign-visitors-by-late-june-11990331

[arista]

Raab is Live

[Scarlett.]

Hang in there Scarlett.

Sadly its getting worse
all over the World.

China's Covid 19
is putting so many nations
into a depression.

Japan as expected
got far worse today

I will, hopefully we can claw our way through

[Vanessa]

I think it's getting better.
But we still need it social distance and wear masks/gloves.

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[arista]

I think it's getting better.
But we still need it social distance and wear masks/gloves.



Yes they should post them to everyone
Washable mask

[Denver]

An Ebola drug is expected to be approved for us in the UK after a lot of people got better with the use of it

[Cherie]

Yes they should post them to everyone
Washable mask

why waste money on that when you can buy your own for 1.00 and most people aren't using them anyway

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=16820

[Zizu]

An Ebola drug is expected to be approved for us in the UK after a lot of people got better with the use of it



Sounds like BOLLOX


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[Zizu]

Sounds like BOLLOX


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The guy heading the oxford trials who got £87 million in funding yesterday said on LBC that it’s optimistic to expect a vaccine before Christmas .. and we may NEVER get a vaccine


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[arista]

Raab did 44mins.

When will Coward Johnson PM
do one , again?

[arista]

Sounds like BOLLOX


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No it helps "some" with Covid 19
already proved in USA tests

[Zizu]

Apparently just one week after a third of French schoolchildren went back to school ( easing of the coronavirus lockdown ) there have been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.


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[Zizu]

No it helps "some" with Covid 19

already proved in USA tests



The internet is full of those stories ..

I’ve just added a story about the French schools .. I’m still looking for official confirmation it’s 100% correct


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[Beso]

N Ireland introducing a relaxation to allow meetings of up to six people.

[Zizu]

Apparently just one week after a third of French schoolchildren went back to school ( easing of the coronavirus lockdown ) there have been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.


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Bit more info

Just a week after one-third of French schoolchildren went back to school in an easing of the coronavirus lockdown, there has been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.

Some schools were opened last week and a further 150,000 secondary school students went back to the classroom on Monday as further restrictions were loosened by the government. The move initially spelled relief: the end of homeschooling for many hundreds of thousands of exhausted French parents, many of whom were also working from home.

But French education minister Jean-Michel Blanquer sounded the alarm on Monday, telling French radio RTL that the return has put some children in new danger of contamination. He said the affected schools are being closed immediately.



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[Zizu]

Interestingly France chose certain areas to reopen their schools !!


This week France is reopening junior high schools in “green” regions less affected by the virus, which do not include Paris.


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[Zizu]

Sooooo on the Sophie Ridge show yesterday Michael Gove said that they’d signed up 17,000 ‘track and trace’ people yet in today’s briefing it’s suddenly 22,000 ?!?!


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[Kazanne]

Looks like a lot of people actually caught the virus when IN hospital and the NHS failed to pass information on which could have saved lives.

[Liam-]

And so it begins

[Denver]

Sounds like BOLLOX


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Well its proven to help including an Ipswich teen who was given the drug.

It's not a drug for the vaccine it's a drug to help people suffering bad

[arista]

34,796 is the UK Covid 19 Death total
today


Increase of 160 deaths

[arista]

[Anybody aged five and over who has coronavirus symptoms
is now eligible for a test to see
if they have the disease,
the health secretary has announced.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-anybody-five-and-over-with-covid-19-symptoms-now-eligible-for-test-11990510

[Kizzy]

Looks like a lot of people actually caught the virus when IN hospital and the NHS failed to pass information on which could have saved lives.

Failed to pass what info, to who?

[Kazanne]

Failed to pass what info, to who?

It was on the ITV news at 6, They failed to pass the info of the virus onto other hospitals apparently, there was too much noise at mine to get everything but that was the gist of it, it was 'exclusive' news so it may be repeated on the later news.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Zizu]

So is this a political thing now ??
Where Labour councils will prevent their schools from following the Tory’s plea to reopen 1st June ??

At least 300 schools in England will ignore the government’s plans to open to more pupils on June 1 as several councils said it was not safe for them to do so.

Liverpool, Hartlepool, Rochdale and Stockport councils have told parents that the primary schools they control will not be reopening to children from reception, year 1 and year 6 at the start of next month, as proposed by the government, with more local authorities yet to commit.

The growing list of dissenting councils — most led by the opposition Labour party — emerged as a stand-off persisted between ministers and teaching unions demanding more information before accepting that it is safe to begin a phased reopening of schools for up to 2m children. The children of key workers have been able to attend schools through the coronavirus crisis.


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[The Slim Reaper]

70 schools in France closing again, after new spikes.

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[AnnieK]

We've had an update from my sons school. They are a small one class per year intake and have today prepared the classrooms as per social distancing guidelines. They can fit 6 children plus one adult in each classroom and therefore cannot actually accommodate the number of children from the proposed year groups who wish to return.

The classrooms have all been stripped of all soft furnishing, toys and every bit of comfort that the young age group they are trying to bring back are used to. The classrooms look so sterile and cold. :sad:

This is the reception class....

[Zizu]

70 schools in France closing again, after new spikes.



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Yet Sky News just reported minutes ago that supposedly 22 countries have said sending schools back made no difference to the infection/ death rates ... even thought many of them haven’t been back long enough for any any effects to be showing ...

No wonder we are all confused !!


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[Zizu]

It's not just about the kids, it's also about the staff. Teachers, assistants, office staff, cleaners, dinner ladies, caretaker - all the people it takes to run a school will be at OR feel at risk. Some of them won't be the youngest and fittest but they will be required to go back to work and spend 6 hours in the same room as a 15(?) kids from 15(?) other households, yet they are not yet allowed to spend time in a room with their own families if they are from a different household. How does one teacher on their own keep 15 primary kids social distanced for the whole day? How do they keep them separated at break and meal times?

I can see why no-one is happy with this situation. Right from the beginning we were told that the little darlings were all super spreaders and that's why we had to close the schools, and grandparents were kept away. Now they say children don't transmit the virus, or they are low risk of community transmission so the schools can be opened and the parents can get back to work. However they are not brave enough yet to say it is safe for the kids to mix with their own grandparents so something isn't quite right with this story. Why is it safe enough for strangers to mix with the kids but not their own families from different households?


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Trump taking that Drug?

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A Way to put the bonkers Star Front page
in a post

[Niamh.]

70 schools in France closing again, after new spikes.



1262498532692500482Glad we're waiting till September here

[Kizzy]

It was on the ITV news at 6, They failed to pass the info of the virus onto other hospitals apparently, there was too much noise at mine to get everything but that was the gist of it, it was 'exclusive' news so it may be repeated on the later news.
Watching the article it seems clear that it was
Sage that failed to pass on the info,as data collected since march on hospital infections was classified and not released until may 5th.

[bots]

there are going to have been 100's of mistakes made by any front line worker/government representative/agency ... we are human. This is something none of us has had to deal with before. It's easy for us to sit in our armchairs and criticize, it's much more difficult when having to make decisions in the moment.

[arista]

there are going to have been 100's of mistakes made by any front line worker/government representative/agency ... we are human. This is something none of us has had to deal with before. It's easy for us to sit in our armchairs and criticize, it's much more difficult when having to make decisions in the moment.


Sure
But when the French Leader said
sorry for his big errors
he got more massive support.



Johnson PM is like Trump who
never says sorry.

He has terrible ratings now
because he is not honest at all

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[Cherie]

Glad we're waiting till September here

tbf it's an easier decision for the Irish government, the schools didn't stay open for key workers kids and they close for the holidays in two weeks anyway, schools didn't close here, and there are 8 weeks of the school year left, for the first six weeks of lockdown every day someone was complaining about the impact of schools being closed, now they are proposing to partially reopen everyday someone is complaining about the impact of open schools :laugh:

[Cherie]

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I don't understand why everyone is 'confused' wear a bloody face covering in an enclosed space, you don't need to be Einstein to understand that surely

Sounds like people are having to wait for up to 15 minutes for a train ..:umm2:

[Kazanne]

there are going to have been 100's of mistakes made by any front line worker/government representative/agency ... we are human. This is something none of us has had to deal with before. It's easy for us to sit in our armchairs and criticize, it's much more difficult when having to make decisions in the moment.

Spot on bots,we will deal with it as best we can, I'm tired of listening to the moaning all the time,its not going to change anything,let's just get on with it and do our bit, mistakes will be made as you said, but a bit more positive thinking would be nice,we cant change anything,all we can do is follow what's put in place and be patient.:wavey:

[AnnieK]

I think if mistakes have been made, they will need to be investigated and any wrong doing should be highlighted and the people responsible should be held accountable BUT I don't think now is the time to do that. If we run around blaming x,y and z for errors, more errors will be made. Let's get through it and then dissect it, if only to be more prepared for any future spikes of the disease.

[arista]

I don't understand why everyone is 'confused' wear a bloody face covering in an enclosed space, you don't need to be Einstein to understand that surely

Sounds like people are having to wait for up to 15 minutes for a train ..:umm2:


Yes there is not enough Tube Trains running
so anyone on that Danger Early AM Rush Hour time
should get a mask, at least

[MTVN]

Most outlets reporting that its 70 new cases affecting schools in France which has forced eight of them to close. That would be less than 0.1% of the schools that have reopened

[user104658]

I love that they have this plan of trying to get 5 year olds to stay two metres apart. I wonder if any of these politicians have actually encountered a 5 year old, or if Nanny did most of the early child raising? :joker:

Spoiler: Herding cats.


You cannot REALISTICALLY get most children under at least 9 or 10 to socially distance reliably. Even then there are going to be some that either flout the rules or just plain forget.

[Zizu]

I love that they have this plan of trying to get 5 year olds to stay two metres apart. I wonder if any of these politicians have actually encountered a 5 year old, or if Nanny did most of the early child raising? :joker:

Spoiler: Herding cats.


You cannot REALISTICALLY get most children under at least 9 or 10 to socially distance reliably. Even then there are going to be some that either flout the rules or just plain forget.



Even secondary pupils age don’t / won’t follow the 2 metre rule .. and that’s with just 6 in each class ...


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[Cherie]

I love that they have this plan of trying to get 5 year olds to stay two metres apart. I wonder if any of these politicians have actually encountered a 5 year old, or if Nanny did most of the early child raising? :joker:

Spoiler: Herding cats.


You cannot REALISTICALLY get most children under at least 9 or 10 to socially distance reliably. Even then there are going to be some that either flout the rules or just plain forget.

I don't disagree, just finding it hard to swallow the hypocrisy of head teachers who have rotated their staff daily for the past 8 weeks to look after key worker children so rather than limiting contact with adults, they have opened up a whole pool of adults and children who can get infected but don't appear to have? apart from the odd case here and there

[arista]

USA Covid 19 Death rate now at 90,369

[Marsh.]

I love that they have this plan of trying to get 5 year olds to stay two metres apart. I wonder if any of these politicians have actually encountered a 5 year old, or if Nanny did most of the early child raising? :joker:

Spoiler: Herding cats.


You cannot REALISTICALLY get most children under at least 9 or 10 to socially distance reliably. Even then there are going to be some that either flout the rules or just plain forget.

It's even funnier given that this isn't just about kids. From what I've witnessed most people seem to think 2 metres is about 2 feet. :joker:

[Zizu]

It's even funnier given that this isn't just about kids. From what I've witnessed most people seem to think 2 metres is about 2 feet. :joker:



That’s so true .. many over the age of about 50 are still unsure about metric measurements


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[Zizu]

I don't disagree, just finding it hard to swallow the hypocrisy of head teachers who have rotated their staff daily for the past 8 weeks to look after key worker children so rather than limiting contact with adults, they have opened up a whole pool of adults and children who can get infected but don't appear to have? apart from the odd case here and there



Yeah and just the odd 65 deaths here and there during a five week period in the eight weeks you refer to ..

It is rather odd that nobody seems to care about those losses ... and it rarely makes the mainstream news ..

:::
There were 65 deaths attributed to the Covid -19 virus in education between 9th March and 20th April including 26 teachers , 10 teaching assistants , 2 secretaries and various other educational staff.


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[arista]

[Coronavirus: Isle of Wight contact-tracing app
trial - a mixed verdict so far]

[It is 10 days since all Isle of Wight residents were
invited to test the NHS app at the heart
of the government's test,
track and trace strategy. So how's it going?

Mixed would probably be a fair verdict.

The big concern was how many people
would download it. Epidemiologists suggest that
for the UK as a whole, about 60% of the
population needs to install and use the software
for it to live up to its full potential.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52709568

[Cherie]

Yeah and just the odd 65 deaths here and there during a five week period in the eight weeks you refer to ..

It is rather odd that nobody seems to care about those losses ... and it rarely makes the mainstream news ..

:::
There were 65 deaths attributed to the Covid -19 virus in education between 9th March and 20th April including 26 teachers , 10 teaching assistants , 2 secretaries and various other educational staff.


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The weeks I am referring to are from 23rd March - todate ...there were no admin staff, school inspectors or further education staff working since lockdown, so 37 deaths of staff who may have had underlying conditions and would have been going about their business like the rest of us up to 23rd March...and would not be covering rotas as they are not being asked to if they have a health condition

You are fixated on 27 people who died out of a workforce of 500,000 ...

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/05/ministers-firm-cafe-terraces-will-remain-closed-until-june-1/

Netherlands: ministers ''cafe terraces will remain closed until 1st of June''

[AnnieK]

Aw, have just heard the husband of one of my worl colleagues has just been admitted into intensive care woth Covid19. He has Huntingtons disease and so is very vulnerable anyway. :sad:

[bots]

There are so many sad stories Annie :sad:

I think it's easy to fall into a mindset that we are over the worst, but we aren't. We need to social distance until/if a vaccine comes through

[Nicky91]

the pollen what causes hayfever right now, that slows down covid-19 apparently this was on the news here today

that is why many think the second wave might hit us after summer when the last of the pollen (grass pollen) are gone by august/september

[Niamh.]

Aw, have just heard the husband of one of my worl colleagues has just been admitted into intensive care woth Covid19. He has Huntingtons disease and so is very vulnerable anyway. :sad:Aw sorry Annie, I hope he pulls through

[Kazanne]

Aw, have just heard the husband of one of my worl colleagues has just been admitted into intensive care woth Covid19. He has Huntingtons disease and so is very vulnerable anyway. :sad:

Aw Annie,hope he pulls through, we must be quite lucky where we live I don't know anyone who has it or has had it although I am thinking my eldest daughter may have had this in February as she was so ill with what we thought was flu,but it really knocked her about,but so far here very few cases I know of, I think I would feel more anxious in a city tbh.

[Zizu]

The weeks I am referring to are from 23rd March - todate ...there were no admin staff, school inspectors or further education staff working since lockdown, so 37 deaths of staff who may have had underlying conditions and would have been going about their business like the rest of us up to 23rd March...and would not be covering rotas as they are not being asked to if they have a health condition

You are fixated on 27 people who died out of a workforce of 500,000 ...



Is that you Matt ??


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[Zizu]

Mmmm

I'm not sure if the BBC's example of a vulnerable family who struggle to work remotely will have much sympathy. A family with 6 kids who can't afford a a tablet or laptop and then down the road another family with 5 kids who also can't afford a tablet /laptop.

I’m wondering... "if you have no money why would you have 6 kids?"

I think lots of people were asking the same question. :smiley:


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[user104658]

Mmmm

I'm not sure if the BBC's example of a vulnerable family who struggle to work remotely will have much sympathy. A family with 6 kids who can't afford a a tablet or laptop and then down the road another family with 5 kids who also can't afford a tablet /laptop.

I’m wondering... "if you have no money why would you have 6 kids?"

I think lots of people were asking the same question. :smiley:


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProTo be fair I don't think it's just about money, homeschooling multiple kids must be an actual hellscape.

We have a somewhat ridiculous amount of tech. I have a gaming PC, we have 2 windows laptops and a Macbook, kids both have tablets etc. but we've still run into hurdles. Google classroom basically works MUCH better on a decent desktop PC than it does on a laptop and it's just generally easier to work with that space, but it's also hard for me to work from home on laptop, so me and my daughter were bickering over PC use for weeks (yes I bicker with a 10 year old). So much so that last week I caved and bought a 2nd hand graphics card and cobbled together a second desktop for her... So she now has a full "school station" at the dining table.

It's still hard going some days.

That's ONE KID! My other daughter only has simple things to do on her tablet and her "attendance" isn't mandatory so easier there.

But trying to orchestrate home schooling for 3 or 4 kids? I can't even imagine. I can only assume it's near-impossible and some kids are simply falling way behind.

A colleague of mine (we're all working from home) has just taken 6 weeks long term sick off with stress because she's not coping with homeschooling 4 kids + work from home.

It really is a mess.

[Zizu]

Sky News reporting on the Swedish care home scandal !!

A whistleblower ( nurse) was happy to reveal that dreadfully poorly care home patients ( many as young as 65 ) were NOT sent to hospital just dealt with in-home ... looks like the government are trying to shift the blame for those decisions onto the care homes mmmmmmm..

Also in Sweden there is no indication that the rate of new infections coming down ..

Oh and why is it that Sweden, as one of the few countries only publishes the number of patients in ICU but not general hospital admissions related to Covid?

I wonder....






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[Zizu]

To be fair I don't think it's just about money, homeschooling multiple kids must be an actual hellscape.

We have a somewhat ridiculous amount of tech. I have a gaming PC, we have 2 windows laptops and a Macbook, kids both have tablets etc. but we've still run into hurdles. Google classroom basically works MUCH better on a decent desktop PC than it does on a laptop and it's just generally easier to work with that space, but it's also hard for me to work from home on laptop, so me and my daughter were bickering over PC use for weeks (yes I bicker with a 10 year old). So much so that last week I caved and bought a 2nd hand graphics card and cobbled together a second desktop for her... So she now has a full "school station" at the dining table.

It's still hard going some days.

That's ONE KID! My other daughter only has simple things to do on her tablet and her "attendance" isn't mandatory so easier there.

But trying to orchestrate home schooling for 3 or 4 kids? I can't even imagine. I can only assume it's near-impossible and some kids are simply falling way behind.

A colleague of mine (we're all working from home) has just taken 6 weeks long term sick off with stress because she's not coping with homeschooling 4 kids + work from home.

It really is a mess.



The two families illustrated in the interview claimed there was only one mobile between each family .. and when the dad went out to work he took the phone with him .. mmmmm


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[user104658]

The two families illustrated in the interview claimed there was only one mobile between each family .. and when the dad went out to work he took the phone with him .. mmmmm


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThat sounds like shock-news rubbish though, like when The Sun did a story about a woman who stockpiled loads of food "only to have to throw it away a month later" but showed a picture of things like crisps and biscuits with a use by of 2022 and beyond, and a jar of bloody PICKLES that will be good for several years.

Nonsense. Turn off the tabloid news channels and bin the papers, would be my advice.

To be fair though, the work they get does take up (almost) a full school day. I'd say about 3 of 4 hours worth of work, so if you factor in a break for lunch etc... Even if a family with 5 kids has 3 computers it wouldn't be enough. Taking turns wouldn't work. A family of 7 with both parents working from home and 5 school age kids would need to be running 7 computers D:. And that's not even factoring in kids needing help/guidance with their work which, again, is bad enough with two kids. It's just not really feasible long term for large families. I dunno what the answer is.

[Nicky91]

NL update

21 new dead (death total now at 5,715

34 new hospitalisations


and our press conference today by PM Rutte and minister of health Hugo De Jonge is at 19:00 CET, mostly to announce the easing down measures planned for 1st of June to go through

and what current status of our country is now

[Kizzy]

there are going to have been 100's of mistakes made by any front line worker/government representative/agency ... we are human. This is something none of us has had to deal with before. It's easy for us to sit in our armchairs and criticize, it's much more difficult when having to make decisions in the moment.

Sage are not a government agency... they are the leading experts in the associated field! To have the information that Covid 19 could explode exponentially in hospitals classified is a sign not only that they knew about it, but that they actively kept it from the public. Not because they didn't know or think it was important, but because it was.

But instead of inquiry and explanations we get the goto response to any criticism, blame the NHS!

[arista]

SkyNewsHD reports Care homes in the North East
are going Collapse in 5 days time
due to lacking of funding.

North Tyneside Council.

This should be on Tomorrows PMQ
Johnson PM
one public visit

[Kizzy]

I think if mistakes have been made, they will need to be investigated and any wrong doing should be highlighted and the people responsible should be held accountable BUT I don't think now is the time to do that. If we run around blaming x,y and z for errors, more errors will be made. Let's get through it and then dissect it, if only to be more prepared for any future spikes of the disease.

After the fact it will be the old ' ah well that was ages ago, let the past go' , while it is still fresh in the minds of everyone affected and the concern still showing in those that haven't lost anyone there needs to be scrutiny now.
It shouldn't lead to more errors, not sure why it would. It won't be the same people reacting to new challenges who focus on the old.

[Kizzy]

I don't disagree, just finding it hard to swallow the hypocrisy of head teachers who have rotated their staff daily for the past 8 weeks to look after key worker children so rather than limiting contact with adults, they have opened up a whole pool of adults and children who can get infected but don't appear to have? apart from the odd case here and there

So what would your solution be to the staffing issue, ask for volunteers to sacrifice themselves for the duration?

[Cherie]

So what would your solution be to the staffing issue, ask for volunteers to sacrifice themselves for the duration?

My solution would be rather simpler than that, rather than trying to be fair to staff by bringing everyone in for one day every two weeks or so, put the children's safety first and have the same staff in for at least a week at a time so the children are not mixing with a different set of staff members every day...simples :hee:

I refer you to this post from another thread which you might have missed

I have friends who work in the local special needs school, 4 kids in, 2 per class, every day they have 3 different support staff looking after them as they are on two weekly rotas so over a two week period the kids come into contact with 30 different people and the staff are not even put in with the same two children when they go back in after two weeks, plus one of my friends works in Tesco part time, but the management say that is not an issue So far no Covid oh and no teachers it's just the support staff in, so that is how 'hero's' kids are treated, now it's all about safety?

Teachers possibly furloughed as they are more expensive and it is an Academy?

[Denver]

Just copy the French model on going back to School

[Cherie]

Aw, have just heard the husband of one of my worl colleagues has just been admitted into intensive care woth Covid19. He has Huntingtons disease and so is very vulnerable anyway. :sad:

That's tough, :fc: for him Annie

[Crimson Dynamo]

Specsavers making 450 redundant

[Kizzy]

My solution would be rather simpler than that, rather than trying to be fair to staff by bringing everyone in for one day every two weeks or so, put the children's safety first and have the same staff in for at least a week at a time so the children are not mixing with a different set of staff members every day...simples :hee:

I refer you to this post from another thread which you might have missed

I have friends who work in the local special needs school, 4 kids in, 2 per class, every day they have 3 different support staff looking after them as they are on two weekly rotas so over a two week period the kids come into contact with 30 different people and the staff are not even put in with the same two children when they go back in after two weeks, plus one of my friends works in Tesco part time, but the management say that is not an issue So far no Covid oh and no teachers it's just the support staff in, so that is how 'hero's' kids are treated, now it's all about safety?

Teachers possibly furloughed as they are more expensive and it is an Academy?
The same risk exists, the kids and the teacher whether support or not if they attend every other day or every other week. As you said each teacher is exposed to the same risk out of school so there is literally no difference.

What makes you bring up its an academy, what makes that a factor?

[Niamh.]

Just copy the French model on going back to School

Didn't they have another big outbreak since their schools went back or did I imagine that?

[Nicky91]

overall response of dutch people is good, hopeful, positivity for now it seems ''gone'' but it is more because of the pollen

so i hope our government, and RIVM will be prepared and in time going back to lockdown before second wave hits us

[Cherie]

The same risk exists, the kids and the teacher whether support or not if they attend every other day or every other week. As you said each teacher is exposed to the same risk out of school so there is literally no difference.

What makes you bring up its an academy, what makes that a factor?

Well its heartening to see how few of the profession have died given the number of interactions they will have had with students up to 23rd March. How is it the risk the same for the kids? when limiting your interaction with other people is key to stopping transmission? in the special school where they can't social distance and have to be fed and have personal care, if staff came in once a week the kids would interact with 6 people in a week rather than 30, they want it both ways its seems, but its the kids being put at risk here.

Academy is a business so the bottom line is the balance sheet like any other business?

[Cherie]

overall response of dutch people is good, hopeful, positivity for now it seems ''gone'' but it is more because of the pollen

so i hope our government, and RIVM will be prepared and in time going back to lockdown before second wave hits us

wonderful, overall reaction of the UK, let's stay inside until a vaccine is found :laugh:

[Nicky91]

wonderful, overall reaction of the UK, let's stay inside until a vaccine is found :laugh:

:facepalm:

in these calmer moments you can work on economy i think, you just should go back into lockdown whenever that second wave comes


some music festivals here in Brabant already have found new dates for 2021, in september next year, also moved some of the line ups meant for this year to then either

and some of our artists here also want to give home concerts as a compensation for this year's mess


in Germany, schlager icon Heino (81) he gave a ''carpark concert'' just few days ago on his farewell tour this year, in his 60 yrs of being a musician he never had done something like that, and found it quite beautiful still

[Zizu]

Specsavers making 450 redundant



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[Niamh.]

Didn't they have another big outbreak since their schools went back or did I imagine that?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-france-close-some-reopened-schools-covid-cases-flare-up-today-2020-05-18/

[Kizzy]

Well its heartening to see how few of the profession have died given the number of interactions they will have had with students up to 23rd March. How is it the risk the same for the kids? when limiting your interaction with other people is key to stopping transmission? in the special school where they can't social distance and have to be fed and have personal care, if staff came in once a week the kids would interact with 6 people in a week rather than 30, they want it both ways its seems, but its the kids being put at risk here.

Academy is a business so the bottom line is the balance sheet like any other business?
It's far from heartening, no death could ever be described as that. Remember the article quoted went back to 9th March prior to lockdown to 20th April the number of deaths is high enough for that time frame.

Miss x and mr y work in the same year group they both have partners and 2 children, if miss x works every other day and mr y the remainder of the time for 2 weeks the kids are exposed to them both for the same amount of time as both of them working one week each.

If academies are centrally government funded how are they a business, do you think the fact that they are centrally and not locally funding is the reason for the rush to return?

[Cherie]

It's far from heartening, no death could ever be described as that. Remember the article quoted went back to 9th March prior to lockdown to 20th April the number of deaths is high enough for that time frame.

Miss x and mr y work in the same year group they both have partners and 2 children, if miss x works every other day and mr y the remainder of the time for 2 weeks the kids are exposed to them both for the same amount of time as both of them working one week each.

If academies are centrally government funded how are they a business, do you think the fact that they are centrally and not locally funding is the reason for the rush to return?


surely even you can see interacting with 6 adults in one week is preferable to interacting with 30 but whatever, let's leave it there

[Kazanne]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/who-chief-rules-it-is-safe-for-schools-to-reopen-next-month-after-widespread-concern/ar-BB14ix0y?ocid=spartanntp

WHO chief rules it's 'safe' for schools to reopen next month.

[Zizu]

surely even you can see interacting with 6 adults in one week is preferable to interacting with 30 but whatever, let's leave it there



Sounds great unless you’re one of the six potentially putting your life and your family’s lives at risk every working day ... presumably they’d also be on duty over the holidays and bank holiday breaks ??


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[Zizu]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/who-chief-rules-it-is-safe-for-schools-to-reopen-next-month-after-widespread-concern/ar-BB14ix0y?ocid=spartanntp

WHO chief rules it's 'safe' for schools to reopen next month.



Mmmmm and they’ve been proved to be so reliable .. not



I think people need to realise that the way countries have handled this epidemic has come from advice from WHO

eg - they advised against closing airports but some went against WHOs advice and some had better outcomes now of fatality rates, so it's debatable that WHO's advice has been correct.

There is a review on how they have communicated all things COVID-19 going on now.

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[Kazanne]

Mmmmm and they’ve been proved to be so reliable .. not


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So we ignore them and do what we think is best ? really ?

[Cherie]

Sounds great unless you’re one of the six potentially putting your life and your family’s lives at risk every working day ... presumably they’d also be on duty over the holidays and bank holiday breaks ??


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We are talking about schools Zizu, they would have ended up working one week in 6 and schools are closed in the Easter holidays and bank holidays what schools do you know that are open

[Zizu]

So we ignore them and do what we think is best ? really ?



No just don’t do exactly what they suggest without rigorous checking


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[arista]

Daily Briefing live around 5PM
10 Downing St.

George Eustice MP

[Zizu]

We are talking about schools Zizu, they would have ended up working one week in 6 and schools are closed in the Easter holidays and bank holidays what schools do you know that are open



Schools stayed open during the Easter holidays and the bank holidays to care for the vulnerable and key worker kids - as they have done since they ‘apparently’ closed in March ... how can you not be aware of that fact !?


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[Cherie]

Schools stayed open during the Easter holidays and the bank holidays to care for the vulnerable and key worker kids - as they have done since they ‘apparently’ closed in March ... how can you not be aware of that fact !?


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Where you getting your facts from, do you know anyone that work in a school? because I do, and they didn’t work over Easter, the kids need a break as well you know :umm2:

[arista]

Live Now

[arista]

After Tomorrow
Another Holiday for Parliament - for 2 weeks
That's Crazy during this Covid 19 Crisis
most are at home broadcasting
they should carry on working

Back the 2nd of June.

[arista]

UK Death rate today is 35,341

[hijaxers]

After Tomorrow
Another Holiday for Parliament - for 2 weeks
That's Crazy most are at home broadcasting
they should carry on working

Back the 2nd of June.

Oh the NHS and all key workers slog on and they bow out for 2 weeks ~ what are they thinking !!!

[arista]

USA :92,128
UK : 35,704
Italy:32,007
France :28,242
Spain:27,563
Brazil :16,941
Belgium :9,108
Germany :8,067
Iran :7,119
Canada:5,960
Netherlands:5,734
Mexico:5,332
China: 4,667
Turkey:4,171
Sweden :3,743
India :3,169
Russia:2,837
Ecuador:2,799
Peru:2,789
Switzerland:1,890
Ireland:1,547
Portugal:1,247

[Zizu]

Where you getting your facts from, do you know anyone that work in a school? because I do, and they didn’t work over Easter, the kids need a break as well you know :umm2:



I suggest you go and do some research then come back here and apologise !!

We both work in schools and both schools have remained open since mid February.. including the Easter holidays !

Aggggghh !!!!

In the meantime ..

::::


Coronavirus: Schools open over Easter for children of key workers
Many schools are remaining open over what should be the Easter holidays to provide childcare for children of key workers.
Annie James, deputy headteacher of Llanishen Fach Primary School in Cardiff, says it has been "very different" with the emphasis on childcare rather than traditional schooling.
The school is one of Cardiff's largest "hubs", acting as a safe environment for children from six neighbouring schools.
And some of the pupils seem to be enjoying the experience, describing it as "more fun than normal school".

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[The Slim Reaper]

Still waiting for Cherie's apology...

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[Zizu]

Breaking from sky news : 748 football players and club staff have been tested for covid 19 and 6 have tested positive from three clubs. They were tested between the period of Sunday & Monday and will continue to test. At present they haven’t been told which clubs the players and staff come from. They will go into self isolation for 7 days. In the meantime the FA will update on developments as the tests continue.


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[Zizu]

Still waiting for Cherie's apology...



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Perfect :)


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[Zizu]

......

[hijaxers]

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Hardly surprising ~ sex parties have never stopped :fist:

[MTVN]

Breaking from sky news : 748 football players and club staff have been tested for covid 19 and 6 have tested positive from three clubs. They were tested between the period of Sunday & Monday and will continue to test. At present they haven’t been told which clubs the players and staff come from. They will go into self isolation for 7 days. In the meantime the FA will update on developments as the tests continue.


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Great news, get the game on

[Cherie]

I suggest you go and do some research then come back here and apologise !!

We both work in schools and both schools have remained open since mid February.. including the Easter holidays !

Aggggghh !!!!

In the meantime ..

::::


Coronavirus: Schools open over Easter for children of key workers
Many schools are remaining open over what should be the Easter holidays to provide childcare for children of key workers.
Annie James, deputy headteacher of Llanishen Fach Primary School in Cardiff, says it has been "very different" with the emphasis on childcare rather than traditional schooling.
The school is one of Cardiff's largest "hubs", acting as a safe environment for children from six neighbouring schools.
And some of the pupils seem to be enjoying the experience, describing it as "more fun than normal school".

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what am I apologising for telling the truth? :laugh: Schools in this Borough CLOSED!!!!!!!


so how many days do you go in a week Zizu and did you work on the last bank holiday ...May :smug:

[Cherie]

Still waiting for Cherie's apology...

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Get ready for a long wait :hehe:

[michael21]

Great news, get the game on

Sure in Germany only

[michael21]

Didn't they have another big outbreak since their schools went back or did I imagine that?

Mess :idc:

[Zizu]

what am I apologising for telling the truth? :laugh: Schools in this Borough CLOSED!!!!!!!





:



Just as expected from you ...

You have just proven that it’s pointless discussing anything with you as you can’t accept your failings or mistakes ..




We are talking about schools Zizu .

Schools are closed in the Easter holidays and bank holidays what schools do you know that are open

[The Slim Reaper]

Waiting for Cherie to admit her failings and mistakes...

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:smug:

[Kizzy]

surely even you can see interacting with 6 adults in one week is preferable to interacting with 30 but whatever, let's leave it there

Even me?... patronising me doesn't make your point any more logical :/ what year group has 30 teachers?

And even if they had, those 30 individual teachers would have no more risk attached to them than 6... why would they?

[Zizu]

The Department for Education’s chief scientific adviser admitted he has not assessed whether guidance on reopening schools is effective, adding the current advice is “draft” and “will be developed”.

Appearing in front of the Parliamentary science and technology committee today, Osama Rahman also admitted the DfE had done no modelling on the impact on transmission rates of starting to reopen schools after the May half term break.

During a hearing that left some MPs visibly bemused, Rahman also suggested the government guidance issued yesterday on safety is a “draft”, and will be reissued after further consultation with Public Health England.

He also said the decision to reopen schools was made by cabinet, not the DfE.

Carol Monaghan, the SNP’s education spokesperson, said that as a former teacher, she “did not think the profession will be satisfied or put at ease with what they are hearing”.

It comes just hours after education secretary Gavin Williamson accused unions who have raised concerns about the reopening plans as “scaremongering”.

Asked about the transmission rate among children during the hearing, Rahman said the evidence is mixed, and there’s a “low degree of confidence in evidence they might transmit it less”.

Monaghan responded: “We’re putting together hundreds of potential vectors that can then go and transmit. Is that correct?”

Rahman said: “Possibly, depending on school sizes.”


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

As Expected Rolls-Royce
are to get rid of 9,000 workers
They Build Engines for new Planes
which no one is ordering.

China's Covid 19 Virus
is Destroying so many jobs
all over the World.

The Rolls-Royce Chief
went on Ian King 9:30AM Business Show
SkyNews HD, he talked some good sense
on why the cut backs must happen
because of Covid 19.

[arista]

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Well Done GMBHD itv for interviewing Andrew Neil
who was in France.
He is ready for his BBC2HD to come back, but as he said
the BBC has put it all on their one news channel.

Well done to Adam Boulton
now from 10AM SkyNewsHD who still does
his Political newspaper review once a day, now.

[Cherie]

Waiting for Cherie to admit her failings and mistakes...

https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1459457523ra/18614466.gif
:smug:

Give your head a wobble lad ..failings and mistakes :oh:

[Cherie]

Even me?... patronising me doesn't make your point any more logical :/ what year group has 30 teachers?

And even if they had, those 30 individual teachers would have no more risk attached to them than 6... why would they?

How have you missed the point in so many posts that it’s the key workers kids safety being compromised

Year group ... 30 teachers. ...what are you on about now...like I said in the last thread it’s exhausting having to explain everything in triplicate to you ...go back and read the posts again maybe

[Marsh.]

I suggest you go and do some research then come back here and apologise !!

:joker:

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

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I- :skull:

RIVM's Jaap Van Dissel admitting he and RIVM made mistakes in comparisons of death rate with other european countries, now saying death rate of covid in Netherlands is among one of highest in europe

[Nicky91]

but more good positive news now here

very soon visitors are allowed again in care homes

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/05/dutch-press-ahead-with-easing-covid-19-rules-and-ramping-up-testing/

more detail from last nights press conference here

now it'll move into the ''more testing and immediately isolation phase''


as minister of health Hugo De Jonge says we follow a specific ''planned route'' based on advice by RIVM and the OMT

so the easing down of measures will still be one step at a time


our PM Rutte also applauded the youth here, for sticking to the rules overall, staying at home most of the time, he also wished us a nice holiday for tomorrow (ascension day) but still warns us to remain cautious, while still trying to resume bit close to normal life

[Zizu]

Sooooo ..

If an authority ( say Liverpool for example ) has stated their schools won’t be reopening on the 1st June as per government guidelines BUT then a school decides to open a week or so later anyways ..

I wonder how that school will be regarded by the council / council leader ??


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[arista]

LBC Live James
he said look at Hong Kong
its zero deaths in the Care homes????????????????

Bloody Nutter, UK is much Larger

[arista]

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LBC James is saying alot on it,
even talking to Workers that built it.

[Niamh.]

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LBC James is saying alot on it,
even talking to Workers that built it.

Why does that make it Bollocks though, things turn out better than worst case scenario and that means everything was bollocks? It's only real if it gets really bad.....wasn't the whole point of Lockdown to stop that happening?

[Zizu]

Why does that make it Bollocks though, things turn out better than worst case scenario and that means everything was bollocks? It's only real if it gets really bad.....wasn't the whole point of Lockdown to stop that happening?



Haters will hate . .. especially after the event .

I’d suggest that if the NHS had been overwhelmed a few weeks ago then the same critics would be screaming that the government should have built temp hospitals like the other countries did ..


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[Niamh.]

Haters will hate . .. especially after the event .

I’d suggest that if the NHS had been overwhelmed a few weeks ago then the same critics would be screaming that the government should have built temp hospitals like the other countries did ..


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Yeah absolutely. We built temporary hospitals here in Ireland too, thankfully because of Lockdown we haven't been overwhelmed either and I'm very grateful for that, our health system wouldn't have handled that very well. It would have been devastating to have had to watch scenes like there was in Italy where medical staff had to choose between patients for ventilator use, horrific. We should be so thankful for that

[Zizu]

Yeah absolutely. We built temporary hospitals here in Ireland too, thankfully because of Lockdown we haven't been overwhelmed either and I'm very grateful for that, our health system wouldn't have handled that very well. It would have been devastating to have had to watch scenes like there was in Italy where medical staff had to choose between patients for ventilator use, horrific. We should be so thankful for that



Yes ... this is why I detest politics - apart from anything else it basically makes threads like this one meaningless .


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[Nicky91]

also Jaap Van Dissel: we might still see covid cases until 2022

and we also don't know what the consequences will be from the easing down of the measures now, we will find that one out, in few months from now

[The Slim Reaper]

also Jaap Van Dissel: we might still see covid cases until 2022

and we also don't know what the consequences will be from the easing down of the measures now, we will find that one out, in few months from now

I liked him in fast and furious.

[Nicky91]

I liked him in fast and furious.

https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/styles/card_image/public/2018-11/006191_IB_24_10_interview_foto1_fc.jpg?itok=gRqumL Y4

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/styles/card_image/public/2018-11/006191_IB_24_10_interview_foto1_fc.jpg?itok=gRqumL Y4

He played a good role in Thor and the avengers.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

Yes Slim, clever remix

The PM is live in PMQ's
Claims by 1st of June he will have his 25,000 staffed
doing his test, track, & trace


The Scottish Leader
is angry with the New £600 charge
for Foreign nurses

[arista]

A Silly Eastbourne Conservative MP
said she wants to Bounce Back.

Yesterday Sunak MP
said we will not get a "Bounce Back"

[Nicky91]

NL update

14 new hospitalisations

33 new dead (death total now 5,748

[arista]

Jacob Rees-Mogg MP Leader of the House
wants more MPs to Drive down or up
to Parliament on their return in 2 weeks.

He said their assistants can stay at home to work

[Kizzy]

My solution would be rather simpler than that, rather than trying to be fair to staff by bringing everyone in for one day every two weeks or so, put the children's safety first and have the same staff in for at least a week at a time so the children are not mixing with a different set of staff members every day...simples :hee:

I refer you to this post from another thread which you might have missed

I have friends who work in the local special needs school, 4 kids in, 2 per class, every day they have 3 different support staff looking after them as they are on two weekly rotas so over a two week period the kids come into contact with 30 different people and the staff are not even put in with the same two children when they go back in after two weeks, plus one of my friends works in Tesco part time, but the management say that is not an issue So far no Covid oh and no teachers it's just the support staff in, so that is how 'hero's' kids are treated, now it's all about safety?

Teachers possibly furloughed as they are more expensive and it is an Academy?

Well its heartening to see how few of the profession have died given the number of interactions they will have had with students up to 23rd March. How is it the risk the same for the kids? when limiting your interaction with other people is key to stopping transmission? in the special school where they can't social distance and have to be fed and have personal care, if staff came in once a week the kids would interact with 6 people in a week rather than 30, they want it both ways its seems, but its the kids being put at risk here.

Academy is a business so the bottom line is the balance sheet like any other business?

How have you missed the point in so many posts that it’s the key workers kids safety being compromised

Year group ... 30 teachers. ...what are you on about now...like I said in the last thread it’s exhausting having to explain everything in triplicate to you ...go back and read the posts again maybe

Right instead of being rude look at your own posts and see the lack of understanding in them. Limiting your interaction with people is difficult if administering care but there is nothing to say there is less risk attached to one support worker/ teacher than another. That's my point.

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McD. Opened 39 British Drive Through today
with a limited menu
but still far to may want it

[The Slim Reaper]

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Regardless of whether or not you like the walking wotsit, it's pretty undeniable that he's morbidly obese.

[arista]

Regardless of whether or not you like the walking wotsit, it's pretty undeniable that he's morbidly obese.

Of Course
thanks to Mc.D and KFC non stop food

[arista]

Around 5PM
Daily Briefing Live
10 Downing St.

Oliver Dowden MP.

[arista]

Live Now

[hijaxers]

Around 5PM
Daily Briefing Live
10 Downing St.

Oliver Dowden MP.

Who is he ?

Where is Boris MIA again ! No doubt getting ready for his 2 week break :joker:

[arista]

Who is he ?

Where is Boris MIA again ! No doubt getting ready for his 2 week break :joker:


Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport

[arista]

Johnson PM was live for PMQ's today
but it was a strict 30mins only

[hijaxers]

Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport

Turned him off unwatchable :laugh:

[Beso]

What was that ginger twat waffling about?

[Cherie]

I don't disagree, just finding it hard to swallow the hypocrisy of head teachers who have rotated their staff daily for the past 8 weeks to look after key worker children so rather than limiting contact with adults, they have opened up a whole pool of adults and children who can get infected but don't appear to have? apart from the odd case here and there

So what would your solution be to the staffing issue, ask for volunteers to sacrifice themselves for the duration?

[B]





Right instead of being rude look at your own posts and see the lack of understanding in them. Limiting your interaction with people is difficult if administering care but there is nothing to say there is less risk attached to one support worker/ teacher than another. That's my point.

I am merely reacting to your abrasive style of posting, when interacting with me at any rate. This was the post you quoted, it’s clear my point was about the kids, and the number of staff they were having to interact with in a week

If there is no increased risk to interacting with numerous people why are we all limiting our interactions on a daily basis

[arista]

What was that ginger twat waffling about?

Yes Posh Fella

[Beso]

I'm worried today's figures of new cases...arista..

Are they rising from yesterday or the day before, cause Tuesdays are wierd.


I'm worried that the heat and the UV ain't effecting it as much as I hoped.

[arista]

I'm worried today's figures of new cases...arista..

Are they rising from yesterday or the day before, cause Tuesdays are wierd.


I'm worried that the heat and the UV ain't effecting it as much as I hoped.

UK Deaths are at 35,704


Yes up by around 363 Deaths

[Vanessa]

It really is so hot today.
Hoping it will help improve things.

[Beso]

UK Deaths are at 35,704


Yes up by around 300 or more died

I said "new cases"

[Beso]

It really is so hot today.
Hoping it will help improve things.

I'm doubting that now, infact I think it wi help the virus to become stronger in its severity.


I remember Scotland got a blast of heat about 3 or 4 weeks back when England shivered..

Look at the Scots figures now..

Since then london has had 3 weekends of heat and after going down..the figures seem to me to be rising again..

[Beso]

If all your family tree still alive could spit in a cup for you to drink and that drink would guarantee you got all the covid they will ever get in one go..to save them..


Would you down it?

[Cherie]

I said "new cases"

No new cases in London today

Tests going up, number of new cases gradually going down

Number of people in hospital under 10k lowest since March

[bots]

it's not really heat that kills the virus, it's uv light and that is rarely high in Scotland :laugh:

The UV index where I am is 6.94 today, which is pretty high, 8 would be very high for here

[Scarlett.]

It really is so hot today.
Hoping it will help improve things.

It might have improved things, if people didn't gather in busy town centers and ignore social distancing

[Cherie]

I liked him in fast and furious.

https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/styles/card_image/public/2018-11/006191_IB_24_10_interview_foto1_fc.jpg?itok=gRqumL Y4

He played a good role in Thor and the avengers.

:joker:

[Beso]

No new cases in London today

Tests going up, number of new cases gradually going down

Number of people in hospital under 10k lowest since March

Thanks..but out of 24 people tested at Watford fc today 3 had it...

They felt well enough to go to work and don't look like needing 47 days on a ventilator, I would class them as fresh cases from the 3 weekends of heat we have had..

[Beso]

it's not really heat that kills the virus, it's uv light and that is rarely high in Scotland :laugh:

The UV index where I am is 6.94 today, which is pretty high, 8 would be very high for here

That's what I used to think, I'm not sure now.

Imagine if this was 5 years in the making, the virus all ready to go all over the world..

All a government's weatheroligist or whatever it's called would need is a very accurate judgement on about 3 months of weather..they then have 5 years to judge their capacity of getting it correct which would be about 20 trial runs...all they would have to look out for is a weather cycle that is going to be unusually warm..

Then you release the virus when it cold to spread it to maximise the effect the heat has on it....


Ps, what's this mutants lowest temperature it can survive on?

[Cherie]

Thanks..but out of 24 people tested at Watford fc today 3 had it...

They felt well enough to go to work and don't look like needing 47 days on a ventilator, I would class them as fresh cases from the 3 weekends of heat we have had..

Do you have a link because Peston said at the briefing there were 0 new cases in London and that has been reported in media as well
although it may be due to a lag in reporting as there was a glitch at the weekend, and if they were tested today they wouldn't have the results for at least 48 hours?



No new cases of coronavirus were recorded in London over a 24-hour period, data published by Public Health England (PHE) has shown.
On Monday, the capital recorded no new infections, down from 19 cases reported the day before. Previously, London has been one of the regions hardest hit by the outbreak in the UK since the first case was reported in February.

Although it appears promising, the new figure should be approached with caution as it could be attributed to a glitch in the Covid-19 patient notification system – which occurred temporarily on 16 May.

NHS England confirmed the system “did not operate for a period of time on Saturday 16 May”.


The Department of Health and Social Care warns the new figures do not mean the epidemic is anywhere close to coming to an end, and are likely a result of a lag in the reporting of new cases from the previous few days. Data for recent days or constantly being revised as more information becomes available.

But the rate of coronavirus infections in London has been falling, raising hopes for further easing of the lockdown.
Research by PHE and the University of Cambridge’s MRC Biostatic Unit showed on 15 May that the rate of infection fell to fewer than 24 cases a day, the lowest in the UK.
Over 200,000 cases were recorded in the capital in a day at the peak of the outbreak in March. But recent data showed the figures in London were halving every 3.5 days

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-new-cases-london-public-health-england-covid-19-a9523876.html

[Beso]

Do you have a link because Peston said at the briefing there were 0 new cases in London and that has been reported in media as well



Cherie..I was in a cafe yesterday sat down waiting in the corner on my tiger roll and egg baggy.just of chiswick, (ealing probably)..mr munchies or something..

It was their first day open, a maintenance bloke from a school came in and hugged one of the waitresses..she leaped upon him like me at the end of a strictly dance with my partner before she buckled and broke her ankle.

No new cases now because of the cold weekend, but just you wait until 4 weeks from now.


No I don't have a link to that slavering arsehole either

[The Slim Reaper]

Today on southend beach.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYe5Y2rXgAAbxZE?format=jpg&name=small

[Barry.]

Oh dear.

[Zizu]

So let’s talk about the government tracking system ... apparently already hitting issues ..

Why are all other European countries going with the Google / Apple app ??


Any experts out there to shed some light on this matter ??

Maybe someone can start a new thread to discuss this matter ??




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[Zizu]

Today on southend beach.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYe5Y2rXgAAbxZE?format=jpg&name=small



What could go wrong ...


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[Cherie]

I'm worried today's figures of new cases...arista..

Are they rising from yesterday or the day before, cause Tuesdays are wierd.


I'm worried that the heat and the UV ain't effecting it as much as I hoped.

I said "new cases"

Cherie..I was in a cafe yesterday sat down waiting in the corner on my tiger roll and egg baggy.just of chiswick, (ealing probably)..mr munchies or something..

It was their first day open, a maintenance bloke from a school came in and hugged one of the waitresses..she leaped upon him like me at the end of a strictly dance with my partner before she buckled and broke her ankle.

No new cases now because of the cold weekend, but just you wait until 4 weeks from now.


No I don't have a link to that slavering arsehole either


You asked about new cases today. I cant tell you what will happen next week :laugh: i was enquiring about the 3 cases at Watford

[Cherie]

Today on southend beach.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYe5Y2rXgAAbxZE?format=jpg&name=small

I don’t understand why they would bother it’s a tiny strip of man made beach with dirty looking sea, twats

[The Slim Reaper]

I don’t understand why they would bother it’s a tiny strip of man made beach with dirty looking sea, twats

I believe someone told them it was the cue to hear you apologise to zizu. :smug:

[Beso]

You asked about new cases today. I cant tell you what will happen next week :laugh: i was enquiring about the 3 cases at Watford



the link to Watford is on all news channels

[Samm]

No new cases in London today

Tests going up, number of new cases gradually going down

Number of people in hospital under 10k lowest since March

Not saying you’re wrong, but what’s the source of the under 10k in hospitals? Just because that’s great news, want to see more about it!

[Beso]

I'm hoping this ain't like wasps and bees

[Cherie]

Not saying you’re wrong, but what’s the source of the under 10k in hospitals? Just because that’s great news, want to see more about it!

Watch the daily briefings, first 3 minutes you get the stats, 9,953 in hospital to be precise

G3ugCDBivig

[Cherie]

I believe someone told them it was the cue to hear you apologise to zizu. :smug:

Has hell frozen over :fan:

[Vanessa]

No new cases in London today. This is brilliant news!

[Denver]

My coronavirus test is due tomorrow as I've been asked to take one as I'm due back to work in 3 weeks and they want to make sure I'm clear especially when I told them my migraines are playing me up but I didnt think it was a symptom?

[Kazanne]

Why are people happy to go enmass and mix to beaches etc,but reluctant to send kids to school ?

[Denver]

Why are people happy to go enmass and mix to beaches etc,but reluctant to send kids to school ?

Because they are thick

[Kazanne]

Because they are thick

:joker::joker::joker:well there is that .

[hijaxers]

What could go wrong ...


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Ok so all us locked up inside will be here forever with these selfish gits ! I am getting really angry about this now .

Stop this insane behaviour now Boris !

[Samm]

Watch the daily briefings, first 3 minutes you get the stats, 9,953 in hospital to be precise

G3ugCDBivig

Thanks!

My coronavirus test is due tomorrow as I've been asked to take one as I'm due back to work in 3 weeks and they want to make sure I'm clear especially when I told them my migraines are playing me up but I didnt think it was a symptom?

I had migraines and serve fatigue when I arrived back from Germany in February, I believe I might of had it as I read somewhere it counted for symptoms in around 40% of cases. I wouldn’t worry though as long you’ve not got a cough, fever or breathing issues it won’t be a severe case

[Scarlett.]

Why are people happy to go enmass and mix to beaches etc,but reluctant to send kids to school ?

Not the same people? :shrug:

[Liam-]

Why are people happy to go enmass and mix to beaches etc,but reluctant to send kids to school ?

Because adults can make their own dumb choices in life, children can’t, a massive false equivalence

[Scarlett.]

Do you have a link because Peston said at the briefing there were 0 new cases in London and that has been reported in media as well
although it may be due to a lag in reporting as there was a glitch at the weekend, and if they were tested today they wouldn't have the results for at least 48 hours?



No new cases of coronavirus were recorded in London over a 24-hour period, data published by Public Health England (PHE) has shown.
On Monday, the capital recorded no new infections, down from 19 cases reported the day before. Previously, London has been one of the regions hardest hit by the outbreak in the UK since the first case was reported in February.

Although it appears promising, the new figure should be approached with caution as it could be attributed to a glitch in the Covid-19 patient notification system – which occurred temporarily on 16 May.

NHS England confirmed the system “did not operate for a period of time on Saturday 16 May”.


The Department of Health and Social Care warns the new figures do not mean the epidemic is anywhere close to coming to an end, and are likely a result of a lag in the reporting of new cases from the previous few days. Data for recent days or constantly being revised as more information becomes available.

But the rate of coronavirus infections in London has been falling, raising hopes for further easing of the lockdown.
Research by PHE and the University of Cambridge’s MRC Biostatic Unit showed on 15 May that the rate of infection fell to fewer than 24 cases a day, the lowest in the UK.
Over 200,000 cases were recorded in the capital in a day at the peak of the outbreak in March. But recent data showed the figures in London were halving every 3.5 days

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-new-cases-london-public-health-england-covid-19-a9523876.html

It could be those three new cases will be on tommorows numbers

[Denver]

Thanks!



I had migraines and serve fatigue when I arrived back from Germany in February, I believe I might of had it as I read somewhere it counted for symptoms in around 40% of cases. I wouldn’t worry though as long you’ve not got a cough, fever or breathing issues it won’t be a severe case

I know it's bad to say but I kinda hope I do have a mild case because they say once you have had it you cant contract it again