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So there wont be anything for the self employed this time.:bawling:
Quite frankly yes.
My dad had to shield as he is in a high risk group. I have been so ridiculously careful during this, putting my life on hold to protect him. If people followed the rules, that will be enough. We do not need military presence at the moment.
Young people are not and will not abide by the rules .. we know that .. something has to change and quickly ..
Over 6,000 new cases today !
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I just had a cold and I never get colds, no cough or temp, it was all in my head :fist:I was actually thinking my mask caused my cold, weve had to wear them in work for months when in crowded areas, meetings etc but after some workers testing positive a few weeks ago we now have to wear them constantly, it's only since then my cold came on :fist:
Young people are not and will not abide by the rules .. we know that .. something has to change and quickly ..
Over 6,000 new cases today !
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProI think it's unfair to blame young people tbh yes some will completely ignore the rules without care about who it affects but many elderly are very stubbornly ignoring the rules too and then im aware of other adults of various ages with a horrible '**** you jack I'm alright' attitude
Scarlett.
23-09-2020, 06:22 PM
I think it's unfair to blame young people tbh yes some will completely ignore the rules without care about who it affects but many elderly are very stubbornly ignoring the rules too and then im aware of other adults of various ages with a horrible '**** you jack I'm alright' attitude
Completely this, the problem doesn't lie with any specific generation, it lies with selfish idiots
Dogeatdog
23-09-2020, 06:28 PM
I think it's unfair to blame young people tbh yes some will completely ignore the rules without care about who it affects but many elderly are very stubbornly ignoring the rules too and then im aware of other adults of various ages with a horrible '**** you jack I'm alright' attitude
Agree completely. It wasn’t so long ago that the beaches were packed with admittedly young people but families as well. It’s the same with the pubs, I went to one pub the other weekend and I’m sure I was the youngest person in there and I’m 26. It’s not just young people that are causing the problem, there’s plenty of adults that are having a terrible attitude to the rules so to just keep blaming young people just doesn’t make sense to me.
I think it's unfair to blame young people tbh yes some will completely ignore the rules without care about who it affects but many elderly are very stubbornly ignoring the rules too and then im aware of other adults of various ages with a horrible '**** you jack I'm alright' attitude
I feel ( and surveys/ stats show ) that it’s the under 30’s who are ‘driving’ this new frightening new wave ..
A spike in young people getting COVID-19 will result in more older people being admitted to hospital with the virus, scientists have warned.
Dr Adam Kucharski, infectious disease epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said it could be just a few weeks until the UK sees an increase in older people being admitted to hospital after the spike in young people testing positive.
He told Sky News: "We've seen lots of changes in behaviours recently, more people are gathering now and in younger groups especially, more people are happy to gather."
Over the summer, cases have risen faster in younger groups than any other, with cases tripling in the 20-29 age group at the end of August compared to the first week of July - when it reached its lowest point.
England's deputy chief medical officer, Jonathan Van-Tam, has warned there has been a marked rise in cases in the 17-21 age group and urged people to "re-engage and realise that this is a continuing threat to us".
The latest Public Health England (PHE) data found the 20-29 age group now has the highest coronavirus infection rate, with 28 people infected per 100,000 people in England in the week ending 30 August.
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Panic buyers are 'selfish and divisive' as 'only the better-off can afford it'...
Panic buyers are “selfish and socially divisive” because only middle classes can afford to do it, an MP and supermarket have said.
Reports suggest that the UK is beginning to stockpile again after the imposition of new restrictions, prompting urgent pleas from retailers for customers to only buy what they need.
Supermarkets insisted that they have strengthened their supply chains and boosted home delivery capacity in response to the empty shelves seen in March meaning there is no need to panic buy.
However, Alex Davies-Jones, the MP for Pontypridd, said she had been made aware of a “spree” of panic buying in her constituency.
She said: “People engaging in panic buying shouldn’t be. I have been assured [by local shopkeepers] that there is no need and that the supply chains are there. Anyone panic buying is selfish and they aren’t thinking of others.”
A spokesman for Iceland said there is no shortage of products or delivery slots at the supermarket.
He added: “There would also have been no shortage of products at the start of lockdown if people had resisted the urge to stockpile.
“Panic buying is selfish and socially divisive because stockpiling is only an option for the better-off, and it seriously disadvantages those including the elderly and vulnerable who can only afford to buy what they need.”
In an email to customers the chief executive of Aldi, Giles Hurley, urged customers to shop “considerately”, while Tesco boss Dave Lewis told Sky News that “unnecessary” panic buying could cause “tension” in the supply chain.
Some corner shops have prepared for possible panic buying by rearranging stores to place high-demand items, like cleaning products, in a more prominent place.
One shop owner in the Midlands posted a picture on Twitter of a display of cleaning sprays and disinfectant and said the shop is “ready for the second lockdown”.
Meanwhile, shop workers union Usdaw said that enforcing social distancing and the wearing of face masks had become the main trigger for abuse of retail staff. General secretary Paddy Lillis said the abuse was “a disgrace”.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/panic-buyers-selfish-divisive-only-161037031.html
Scarlett.
23-09-2020, 10:19 PM
I feel ( and surveys/ stats show ) that it’s the under 30’s who are ‘driving’ this new frightening new wave ..
A spike in young people getting COVID-19 will result in more older people being admitted to hospital with the virus, scientists have warned.
Dr Adam Kucharski, infectious disease epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said it could be just a few weeks until the UK sees an increase in older people being admitted to hospital after the spike in young people testing positive.
He told Sky News: "We've seen lots of changes in behaviours recently, more people are gathering now and in younger groups especially, more people are happy to gather."
Over the summer, cases have risen faster in younger groups than any other, with cases tripling in the 20-29 age group at the end of August compared to the first week of July - when it reached its lowest point.
England's deputy chief medical officer, Jonathan Van-Tam, has warned there has been a marked rise in cases in the 17-21 age group and urged people to "re-engage and realise that this is a continuing threat to us".
The latest Public Health England (PHE) data found the 20-29 age group now has the highest coronavirus infection rate, with 28 people infected per 100,000 people in England in the week ending 30 August.
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So what you're saying is, those more likely not to be working from home, such a students with part time jobs, or shop assistants, or waiters caught the virus more than those who are more likely to be working from home?
So what you're saying is, those more likely not to be working from home, such a students with part time jobs, or shop assistants, or waiters caught the virus more than those who are more likely to be working from home?
No ... I'm guessing its youngsters / under 30's who are carrying on with their social lives as though we weren't in the middle of a catastrophic pandemic .. wether it be in parks , raves , parties , get togethers , pubs , clubs etc etc
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arista
24-09-2020, 02:09 AM
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Kizzy
24-09-2020, 02:21 AM
Oh look at that 57% increase in complaints to Thames water... wasn't it a Corbyn policy to re-nationalise water?... oh well.
No ... I'm guessing its youngsters / under 30's who are carrying on with their social lives as though we weren't in the middle of a catastrophic pandemic .. wether it be in parks , raves , parties , get togethers , pubs , clubs etc etc
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...any/all younger people that I know, Zizu ..?..are very much not carrying on with their social lives at all, their lives have very much been stunted and they’re very much following all restrictions that other ages are...there will obviously be some who don’t/haven’t so much because ‘all’ is a very powerful word...?...but that ‘ally would be the same with older people as well, though...this is where news media and social media and such the like can be so divisive and add another layer to any virus fears or anxieties...how things are portrayed and reported to slant...’IT’S THEM, THEY’RE THE ONES..’...?...sadly it’s something that’s part of politics as well, to have everyone looking at each other as a diversion/distraction, type thing...whenever we ourselves have personally seen social distancing or mask wearing etc, not being observed, though...?...the reality is of the different age ranges it’s applying to because as is the way with these things, it’s applying to individuals as opposed to a section of society or generation...in general and on the whole and excluding those comparatively few individuals, Zizu...younger people are caring for and helping to protect and safeguarding older people, they’re not endangering them, they’re as diligent as any of us are...they are most definitely not ‘the enemy’...and the only way to battle this virus, is to not take our eyes off it as the enemy it is that we all need to focus on in our protections.../...which most people are, from the children to the elderly...
We know that the younger demographic are catching covid more, but we can't say with any certainty how they are catching covid. By definition, they are more active in the community so are therefore statistically going to be more prone to catching it than other age groups, that doesnt mean that they are flouting rules in vast numbers ... it might, but there would need to be more evidence than a couple of choice pictures in the media.
Looking across europe as a whole, cases are increasing everywhere. The simple truth is that we cannot stop nature. Even with face masks and a "sensible" social distancing strategy, you can still catch covid. The increase in transmission is clearly more related to the change in seasons than anything else. Strong UV kills the virus and that has now gone for this year so we need to be extra careful, but even then, total isolation is the only sure fire way of staying clear of the virus
...I think with the ‘catching more’ bots...?...to me, that was always a likelihood anyway, or maybe more of an inevitable, even...just because they were always, in general...’the least protected’ as they’re seen as the least vulnerable...I guess that it’s all showing as well, how successful it’s been in protection of the more/most vulnerable if the the highest ratio is in the least vulnerable.../...there are varying perspectives of looking at it...
...anyways, I know that it’s the same old, same old of our government being particularly bad at how they’ve implemented measures and restrictions etc...:laugh:...yes I know, I do go on...but Spain was obviously ahead of us from the off and their easing of measures were often a little ahead of us as well...but atm, they’re behind in that their restrictions aren’t what ours have had to become...the travel restrictions and socialising restrictions etc aren’t what we are experiencing ...I mean, that might be to come as well but atm they’re more behind, when they were ahead of...and they’ve had..(..in their tourist areas...)...quite an influx of overseas tourists as well...
we need to be careful when using Spain as a comparison because they have been under reporting their figures for months. It's better to look at overall trends in countries rather than actual figures as none of them use the same reporting methods
Just to add, that we have the ONS data as a cross reference, so we have checks and balances on our figures
...the U.K.’s overall trend is that we’re now in crisis atm in terms of figures and restrictions etc and the mention of possible army policing etc... and that can’t be denied...and it also can’t be denied that many countries ‘predicted’ that we weren’t doing well in terms of government actions and those predictions are becoming realities for us...
...Spain isn’t the only comparison we can make and we should make comparisons if we want to progress etc in the battle against the virus...we compare successes and failures etc.../...it’s all part of it...
Nicky91
24-09-2020, 05:59 AM
Netherlands:
1.4 Billion for people who lost their jobs during the coronacrisis
extra help for them also to find new jobs a lot faster again
another 150 million for people who got debts since coronacrisis to get them out of debts also as fast as possible again
AnnieK
24-09-2020, 06:01 AM
The new App launches today but scientists fear that people won't download it.
I think we should be doing far more research into quick antibody tests and finding out how immune you are after you've had Covid so those people who have had it and are unlikely to get it again can resume a more normal life and this would hopefully help the economy too if they can get back to work and other activities.
...the U.K.’s overall trend is that we’re now in crisis atm in terms of figures and restrictions etc and the mention of possible army policing etc... and that can’t be denied...and it also can’t be denied that many countries ‘predicted’ that we weren’t doing well in terms of government actions and those predictions are becoming realities for us...
we are not in crisis, that's the press being alarmist as usual. The levels of infection are a fraction of what they were in March, restrictions have been implemented early to help keep the numbers down and stop us going in to crisis. The army are on call to back fill police activities like royal and diplomatic protection. The army will not be performing a public facing policing role. That has been made very clear
Nicky91
24-09-2020, 06:08 AM
The new App launches today but scientists fear that people won't download it.
I think we should be doing far more research into quick antibody tests and finding out how immune you are after you've had Covid so those people who have had it and are unlikely to get it again can resume a more normal life and this would hopefully help the economy too if they can get back to work and other activities.
its already here for a long while now, and i still haven't downloaded that app
it wants my personal information, I don't think so that i would give government that :idc:
AnnieK
24-09-2020, 07:01 AM
its already here for a long while now, and i still haven't downloaded that app
it wants my personal information, I don't think so that i would give government that :idc:
You're government will already have all the information on you Nicky, just as ours does here.
i've heard stories about similar apps in other countries ... and it doesn't take account of walls :laugh: ... if the bluetooth can get through its considered a contact ....
...any/all younger people that I know, Zizu ..?..are very much not carrying on with their social lives at all, their lives have very much been stunted and they’re very much following all restrictions that other ages are...there will obviously be some who don’t/haven’t so much because ‘all’ is a very powerful word...?...but that ‘ally would be the same with older people as well, though...this is where news media and social media and such the like can be so divisive and add another layer to any virus fears or anxieties...how things are portrayed and reported to slant...’IT’S THEM, THEY’RE THE ONES..’...?...sadly it’s something that’s part of politics as well, to have everyone looking at each other as a diversion/distraction, type thing...whenever we ourselves have personally seen social distancing or mask wearing etc, not being observed, though...?...the reality is of the different age ranges it’s applying to because as is the way with these things, it’s applying to individuals as opposed to a section of society or generation...in general and on the whole and excluding those comparatively few individuals, Zizu...younger people are caring for and helping to protect and safeguarding older people, they’re not endangering them, they’re as diligent as any of us are...they are most definitely not ‘the enemy’...and the only way to battle this virus, is to not take our eyes off it as the enemy it is that we all need to focus on in our protections.../...which most people are, from the children to the elderly...
I see the pubs ... parties ... I notice the ( usually ) young women in their twenties in the stores not wearing masks ( I heard one actually say “ it messes up my makeup “)
The stats above clearly show who are getting infected ...
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I see the pubs ... parties ... I notice the ( usually ) young women in their twenties in the stores not wearing masks ( I heard one actually say “ it messes up my makeup “)
The stats above clearly show who are getting infected ...
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but Zizu, these are individual examples that you can attribute to any age group doing exactly the same. It's human nature to want to blame something or someone. We honestly don't have the evidence to support the notion that the majority of youngsters are breaking the rules. In my experience as a youngster, we all took things very seriously, yes we may have got up to high jinx, but the vast majority of the population have always been law abiding and considerate and I see no reason why that would change now
joeysteele
24-09-2020, 07:40 AM
its already here for a long while now, and i still haven't downloaded that app
it wants my personal information, I don't think so that i would give government that :idc:
Well apparently according to Hapless Hancock,this app doesn't work on older phones.
I know of many elderly and even sick and disabled who don't even have a smartphone.
So this app isn't going to help them at all.
There's been around 8 months to get something really effective and safe too.
It feels like groundhog Day with every announcement made here in the UK.
I'm glad something is going in place.
However if someone vulnerable or elderly is in a Store, who hasn't this app or the means to get it via a more up to date phone.
Who then comes in contact with someone with this virus.
Those with the app will be contacted however the ones vulnerable and elderly not.
So those most at risk of serious illness or death to this, unprotected fully again.
AnnieK
24-09-2020, 07:41 AM
The young will blame the old, the old will blame the young. Until we all realise that we have to do our own bit and take responsibility for our own safety and that of our loved ones, the virus will continue to spread. Playing a blame game is counter productive in my opinion
Nicky91
24-09-2020, 07:44 AM
Well apparently according to Hapless Hancock,this app doesn't work on older phones.
I know of many elderly and even sick and disabled who don't even have a smartphone.
So this app isn't going to help them at all.
There's been around 8 months to get something really effective and safe too.
It feels like groundhog Day with every announcement made here in the UK.
I'm glad something is going in place.
However if someone vulnerable or elderly is in a Store, who hasn't this app or the means to get it via a more up to date phone.
Who then comes in contact with someone with this virus.
Those with the app will be contacted however the ones vulnerable and elderly not.
So those most at risk of serious illness or death to this, unprotected fully again.
i haven't got a smartphone, but if i want to i can download the app on my samsung galaxy tablet
AnnieK
24-09-2020, 07:46 AM
i haven't got a smartphone, but if i want to i can download the app on my samsung galaxy tablet
It would only be useful on your tablet if you took it out and about with you though.
...Dear Hapless Hancock,
...I’d just like to say, and another thing...
...with best regards, Joey...
...sorry, that made me smile, Joey...Hapless Hancock...:laugh:..
the uk app only runs on phones, not tablets and Huawei phones are also excluded
The young will blame the old, the old will blame the young. Until we all realise that we have to do our own bit and take responsibility for our own safety and that of our loved ones, the virus will continue to spread. Playing a blame game is counter productive in my opinion
...there’s also that whole psychology, sub-conscious ‘noticing’ thing...if a mindset and thought process is of...‘it’s the younger ones who don’t adhere to’...etc...then the younger non mask wearers would be more what someone could notice most and first and possibly overlook those sneaky little older non mask wearers hiding in another aisle...a whole other psychological aisle to go down, so I won’t no more, no more etc...
Nicky91
24-09-2020, 07:57 AM
https://www.thelocal.de/20200923/why-is-germany-doing-better-than-the-uk-at-fighting-a-resurgence-of-covid-19
nice article, why germany is doing better than uk at fighting a resurgence of covid-19
but Zizu, these are individual examples that you can attribute to any age group doing exactly the same. It's human nature to want to blame something or someone. We honestly don't have the evidence to support the notion that the majority of youngsters are breaking the rules. In my experience as a youngster, we all took things very seriously, yes we may have got up to high jinx, but the vast majority of the population have always been law abiding and considerate and I see no reason why that would change now
Stats ...
Oh and we’re in Gtr Manchester .. the hotbed of the virus apparently..
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joeysteele
24-09-2020, 08:07 AM
...Dear Hapless Hancock,
...I’d just like to say, and another thing...
...with best regards, Joey...
...sorry, that made me smile, Joey...Hapless Hancock...:laugh:..
:joker: I rarely make anyone smile Ammi, especially these days.
I'm really glad I made you smile however.
That's a special moment for me today then.
Nicky91
24-09-2020, 08:08 AM
overall germans have trust in their government, something i can easily believe since i also find Merkel a very good leader
i saw on their news-report show stern tv last night, something about cruise ships these times, which still are active towards countries like Greece
there is a good form of hygiene, everything getting disinfected for example in the concert hall after a evening of music/entertainment, every seat being thoroughly disinfected with special spray, also door handles of bathrooms
at swimming pool on deck, only those who belong in one household to sit next to each other, with social distancing (and in open air that is ok)
in restaurants tables with lots of space from each other
when arrived at destination, just go to sightseeing places you want to go, maintain social distancing, do not seek up contacts with too many strangers, and of course daily amount of the ''quick-testing'' of temperature
expanded medical section too now onboard of their cruise liners, crew wear face masks all the time when on duty
:joker: I rarely make anyone smile Ammi, especially these days.
I'm really glad I made you smile however.
That's a special moment for me today then.
...you make me smile a lot, Joey...this was just a little bit of a wider smile because...Hapless Hancock...:laugh:...
arista
24-09-2020, 08:20 AM
...you make me smile a lot, Joey...this was just a little bit of a wider smile because...Hapless Hancock...:laugh:...
Yes the Cock' was on
every channel
even GMBHD itv used a BBC clip of him.
user104658
24-09-2020, 08:23 AM
the uk app only runs on phones, not tablets and Huawei phones are also excluded
Only the newer ones that aren't running normal Android distributions / Google Play store and no one in the UK is likely to have one of those anyway (since they're so limited in what apps they can have). Any Huawei handset more than about 18 months old that's still running Android will load it fine.
That said, I've heard the NHS England app is full of problems and the track & trace system is basically dead in the water. Thankfully (thus far) the Protect Scotland track and trace system and app are still working well (and has been key in identifying the risk of household mixing, by narrowing down the West of Scotland outbreaks to mostly meetings in private households).
Nicky91
24-09-2020, 08:25 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/coronavirus-cases-top-100000-in-the-netherlands-more-regional-measures-likely/
yesterday it topped 100.000 cases here in my country :worry:
arista
24-09-2020, 08:40 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/coronavirus-cases-top-100000-in-the-netherlands-more-regional-measures-likely/
yesterday it topped 100.000 cases here in my country :worry:
Yes You have anti mask groups
like us.
Nicky91
24-09-2020, 08:51 AM
anything about a vaccine from Netherlands labs will remain a secret from the media, to prevent any fake news from happening
work is being done, and after testing and it being a good vaccine, until government has enough proof of it being safe for public, then they will share the news
our health minister De Jonge said last night
arista
24-09-2020, 10:09 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/24/09/33562772-8767465-image-m-53_1600934719683.jpg
Look do not call that Copper a PIG.
[Shocking moment police officers
drag passenger
off busy London train for refusing
to wear face mask
Officer is seen speaking to a young man on
London Overground train yesterday
Passenger put on a mask after repeatedly
being asked to by transport police
The officer then followed the passenger down
the train as an argument ensued
He was removed from the train moment
after saying 'you'll have to drag me off']
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8767465/Shocking-moment-police-officers-drag-passenger-busy-London-train-refusing-wear-face-mask.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK
arista
24-09-2020, 10:23 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/24/10/33566010-0-image-m-9_1600940925269.jpg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8763869/Carrie-Symonds-enjoys-five-star-Italian-holiday-Rishi-Sunak-unveils-urgent-measures-save-jobs.html
So his Wife was Lucky to have
a Italian Holiday
without Boris Johnson.
arista
24-09-2020, 10:40 AM
Rishi Sunak Live in Parliament at Mid Day
with some New Money help for after October.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/24/09/33563510-0-image-m-5_1600937343707.jpg
arista
24-09-2020, 10:57 AM
Rishi is Live now
Starting from November
New Job Support Scheme
to run for 6 months
Nicky91
24-09-2020, 10:58 AM
Yes You have anti mask groups
like us.
every country around us, they wear face masks
and here they are like ''masks take away our freedom''
Belgium, Germany also placed Utrecht under ''Code Red'' now
arista
24-09-2020, 11:10 AM
Rishi was just 10mins.
arista
24-09-2020, 11:26 AM
[Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak
last night cancelled
plans for a full-scale Budget in November
Today he mapped out an emergency
'Winter Economy Plan' designed to help firms
cope with restrictions
Whitehall sources said Chancellor's plans would
include a new wage subsidy modelled on
German scheme
Mr Sunak is also expected to extend the number
of cheap loan schemes for business
and help self-employed
Experts warned the UK will face
'hefty tax rises' likely by the middle of the
decade to pay for Covid-19 crisis]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8768129/Rishi-Sunak-announces-coronavirus-bailout-business.html
arista
24-09-2020, 11:29 AM
[11:10
Chancellor reveals extension of VAT cut
Rishi Sunak says the 5% rate of VAT will remain
in place for hospitality and tourism until the end of March 2021
and won't go back up to 20% in January.
He says today's measures are an "important evolution in our approach"
to COVID-19.
The chancellor says ministers have "done much" to
mitigate the trade-offs between health, the economy and employment.
Mr Sunak says it is "dishonest" to say there is now
a "risk free solution" when it comes to balance health
and the economy, "or that we can mandate behaviour
to such an extent we lose any sense of personal responsibility".
The chancellor ends by saying that when it
comes to coronavirus, "it's on all of us and we
must learn to live with it and live without fear."]
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-live-latest-uk-news-updates-as-covid-19-cases-spike-12071480
user104658
24-09-2020, 11:45 AM
They should stick a 2 - 3% tax on online retail IMO. You'd most likely still get things cheaper than on the high street, doesn't make a massive difference to the consumer (let's say you're buying a £200 appliance... would it really bother you if it went up to £205?) but cumulitavely it would add up to rather large sums. I'm talking stuff off Amazon etc. of course, not online groceries. Basically I would always argue for taxing luxury spends before anything else and that's what online buying tends to be.
arista
24-09-2020, 11:50 AM
They should stick a 2 - 3% tax on online retail IMO. You'd most likely still get things cheaper than on the high street, doesn't make a massive difference to the consumer (let's say you're buying a £200 appliance... would it really bother you if it went up to £205?) but cumulitavely it would add up to rather large sums. I'm talking stuff off Amazon etc. of course, not online groceries. Basically I would always argue for taxing luxury spends before anything else and that's what online buying tends to be.
That can come later
This was Emergency Funding for after October.
They should stick a 2 - 3% tax on online retail IMO. You'd most likely still get things cheaper than on the high street, doesn't make a massive difference to the consumer (let's say you're buying a £200 appliance... would it really bother you if it went up to £205?) but cumulitavely it would add up to rather large sums. I'm talking stuff off Amazon etc. of course, not online groceries. Basically I would always argue for taxing luxury spends before anything else and that's what online buying tends to be.
the last thing they want to do is discourage online purchases when no-one is going to the high street. Think M&S, John Lewis etc .... The likes of Amazon are a different matter of course
arista
24-09-2020, 12:08 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 02:09 PM
Rishi
now in 10 Downing St. taking Questions
from press.
arista
24-09-2020, 02:30 PM
He used the "Bounce Back" Economy
term.
Thats not going to happen.
Of course every press question
never got a chance to speak again.
Best question from Times Radio "Tom Newton Dunn"
Asked "can he ensure we do not go over 4 Million unemployed"
Rishi said "he is throwing everything at it ........"
He did 30mins
but took a great deal of Press Questions
around 16 press reporters
user104658
24-09-2020, 02:37 PM
the last thing they want to do is discourage online purchases when no-one is going to the high street. Think M&S, John Lewis etc .... The likes of Amazon are a different matter of courseI just don't think a 3p-per-£ tax would actually discourage anyone much... You're not going to look at an item that's £20 and be all for buying it, but then be like "£20 and 60p??? No that'll break the bank". And I think that scales right up. If you're spending £1000 on a new TV, does it being £1030 make you reconsider?
I just don't think a 3p-per-£ tax would actually discourage anyone much... You're not going to look at an item that's £20 and be all for buying it, but then be like "£20 and 60p??? No that'll break the bank". And I think that scales right up. If you're spending £1000 on a new TV, does it being £1030 make you reconsider?
i think you are jumping the gun a little, come january the price will either have doubled or be waiting in a lorry for 4 weeks before delivery :laugh:
DouglasS
24-09-2020, 03:01 PM
My flatmate officially has COVID meaning I am having to self isolate.
He thinks he got it in Ireland on the weekend (typical of the Irish to be spreading the disease), although he said his plane back to England was so full (every single seat taken) and so it’s likely he’s passed it on to tonnes of people. He started feeling ill on the plane back, meaning he most definitely had it prior
arista
24-09-2020, 03:37 PM
My flatmate officially has COVID meaning I am having to self isolate.
He thinks he got it in Ireland on the weekend (typical of the Irish to be spreading the disease), although he said his plane back to England was so full (every single seat taken) and so it’s likely he’s passed it on to tonnes of people. He started feeling ill on the plane back, meaning he most definitely had it prior
Take Care
arista
24-09-2020, 03:39 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 04:05 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 04:15 PM
England
All Pubs must close by 10PM from tonight.
arista
24-09-2020, 04:18 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 04:26 PM
Today 6,634 New Cases
And
40 Died from Covid-19 today.
SkyNewsHD
AC Milan striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic has tested positive for coronavirus, the club has said.
The 38-year-old former Sweden international has been placed in quarantine at home, with "relevant authorities" informed of his diagnosis.
His positive result came in a second round of testing after defender Leo Duarte tested positive on Wednesday.
Both players will miss Thursday's Europa League third qualifying round match with Bodo/Glimt.
All other players and staff at AC Milan were negative in the latest round of testing.
In a tweet, the former Manchester United player said he had not displayed any symptoms of the virus.
AC Milan striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic has tested positive for coronavirus, the club has said.
The 38-year-old former Sweden international has been placed in quarantine at home, with "relevant authorities" informed of his diagnosis.
His positive result came in a second round of testing after defender Leo Duarte tested positive on Wednesday.
Both players will miss Thursday's Europa League third qualifying round match with Bodo/Glimt.
All other players and staff at AC Milan were negative in the latest round of testing.
In a tweet, the former Manchester United player said he had not displayed any symptoms of the virus.
He will probably issue a statement to say that Covid 19 has been tested positive for Zlatan ...
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Nicky91
24-09-2020, 04:52 PM
Rotterdam Mayor Aboutaleb has made his plea to government to come with more stricter national covid-measures, and he is pro-anotherlockdown
The Slim Reaper
24-09-2020, 05:23 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 05:46 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 05:47 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 05:48 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 06:12 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 06:37 PM
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Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2020, 06:46 PM
Rotterdam Mayor Aboutaleb has made his plea to government to come with more stricter national covid-measures, and he is pro-anotherlockdown
then let him lockdown
eejit
arista
24-09-2020, 11:34 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 11:35 PM
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arista
24-09-2020, 11:36 PM
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24-09-2020, 11:37 PM
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24-09-2020, 11:37 PM
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24-09-2020, 11:38 PM
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24-09-2020, 11:39 PM
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24-09-2020, 11:40 PM
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Strictly Jake
25-09-2020, 08:04 AM
Several universities across the country are dealing with major outbreaks of the virus, with many students in halls of residence in Glasgow, Dundee, Aberdeen and Edinburgh all being told to self-isolate.
A total of 172 Glasgow University students have so far tested positive, with 600 in isolation, while all 500 residents at the Parker House halls in Dundee*have been told to quarantine.
And 120 cases have been identified in an outbreak at Edinburgh Napier University.
Opposition parties have argued that the Scottish government should have been better prepared for outbreaks when university students returned for the new term.
Ms Sturgeon has said the number of positive cases at universities was likely to increase, but claimed this showed that the test and protect system "is working, and we must continue to have confidence in that".
She urged students to follow the latest guidance and said she was sorry that the pandemic was "making this special time of your lives so tough
This is making me so anxious. As I have said a few times I clean at one of the busiest buildings(library) at the university I work at. Its all supposed to be covid safe here, bubbles etc but bubbles dont work in a building like the one I work at
The students here are arriving as we speak and already we have had a few rule breakers and thats not even everyone here yet!!
Hundreds of positive cases have been confirmed at scottish universities so we will definitely have hundreds here too! We are in local lockdown as well which shows how severe it is here. 15 people in the hospital 10 mins from here all have covid.
Im wearing gloves a mask and a visor. Still worried its not enough!
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“Time to live without fear “ which translates to “ we have no money left “
Politicians nowadays are just the same as they were in the 60’s and ever since ..
Useless and dishonest.
I’d get rid of all politicians ( and politics) then let a team of success business people and scientists run the country
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This is making me so anxious. As I have said a few times I clean at one of the busiest buildings(library) at the university I work at. Its all supposed to be covid safe here, bubbles etc but bubbles dont work in a building like the one I work at
The students here are arriving as we speak and already we have had a few rule breakers and thats not even everyone here yet!!
Hundreds of positive cases have been confirmed at scottish universities so we will definitely have hundreds here too! We are in local lockdown as well which shows how severe it is here. 15 people in the hospital 10 mins from here all have covid.
Im wearing gloves a mask and a visor. Still worried its not enough!
That’s why I don’t understand al this talk of a severe lockdown YET we will keep schools and universities open ..there was a scientist on the other day saying the only way to stop this in its tracks ( until a vaccine is available) is to absolutely minimise all human interactions/contact
The virus spreads like wildfire indoors so it seems like madness to me .
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i don't think it will take much longer before they realise it's untenable to keep universities/colleges open in their current form and I think schools will follow shortly after that. They need to close these places down in the winter and open them in the summer until we have the virus under control
Nicky91
25-09-2020, 09:33 AM
That’s why I don’t understand al this talk of a severe lockdown YET we will keep schools and universities open ..there was a scientist on the other day saying the only way to stop this in its tracks ( until a vaccine is available) is to absolutely minimise all human interactions/contact
The virus spreads like wildfire indoors so it seems like madness to me .
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yes virus spreads mostly indoors
Czech Republic also pubs are closing earlier than usual in evening
joeysteele
25-09-2020, 10:16 AM
Unless Sunak is permitted now to look at things again and go a bit further.
I think he's done pretty well in some areas of need.
To help both businesses and their staff.
Nothing for self employed again really.
It's this 'viable' business condition that is the cause of a lot of concern.
As was stated on QT last night.
A business/ organisation can be viable but not be able to because of restrictions in place by government now.
They cannot operate at all, never mind have staffing for a third of the time.
Is working from home for near all the time, not considered to qualify as that third.
Or is it only if businesses have people actually physically on the premises for a third of the time.
Oh dear, it seems Sunak has been forced to join the ranks of procrastination and confusing signals and messaging like the rest of them.
More still needed, I'd still rate the Chancellor as the best of the lot of them.
That headline 'time to live without gear's I, with the virus increasing again on all figures, aid now being cut back, so people's livelihoods and lives at risk too.
That headline is really at worst insulting and in the very least inappropriate.
things are going to be very grim jobs wise, there really isn't any way of avoiding that. Employers will see it as an opportunity to streamline while blaming the government for all their ills.
Speaking for the small business owner, i've received a tax demand with a warning to pay promptly ... i've never seen that before ... so the government are desperately trying to claw the cash in
Nicky91
25-09-2020, 10:30 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/fury-as-tilburg-lets-football-fans-party-but-glasgow-rangers-end-willem-iis-european-hopes/
fury as Tilburg lets football fans party, and there were no social distancing measures, no masks either
arista
25-09-2020, 10:32 AM
This is making me so anxious. As I have said a few times I clean at one of the busiest buildings(library) at the university I work at. Its all supposed to be covid safe here, bubbles etc but bubbles dont work in a building like the one I work at
The students here are arriving as we speak and already we have had a few rule breakers and thats not even everyone here yet!!
Hundreds of positive cases have been confirmed at scottish universities so we will definitely have hundreds here too! We are in local lockdown as well which shows how severe it is here. 15 people in the hospital 10 mins from here all have covid.
Im wearing gloves a mask and a visor. Still worried its not enough!
Yes Jake - you are taking good precautions.
Its Shocking all those Younger's
in Scottish University and night
time gatherings have caught Covid-19
Scotland were mean't to be strict.
TS ? What the hell are they doing???????????????
arista
25-09-2020, 10:36 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/fury-as-tilburg-lets-football-fans-party-but-glasgow-rangers-end-willem-iis-european-hopes/
fury as Tilburg lets football fans party, and there were no social distancing measures, no masks either
Yes Evil Covid-19
will enjoy that Party.
Yes Jake - you are taking good precautions.
Its Shocking all those Younger's
in Scottish University and night
time gatherings have caught Covid-19
Scotland were mean't to be strict.
TS ? What the hell are they doing???????????????
What !!
Younger folk catching and spreading the virus like wildfire ?!
Who would have imagined ...
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arista
25-09-2020, 10:39 AM
What !!
Younger folk catching and spreading the virus like wildfire ?!
Who would have imagined ...
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Yes a super spreader among them
I assume.
Nicky91
25-09-2020, 10:42 AM
Yes Evil Covid-19
will enjoy that Party.
one anti-masker idiot was at a tv talk show in my country
he said about that partying, well no need to worry as this was all outdoors, most infections take place indoors
user104658
25-09-2020, 10:50 AM
Yes Jake - you are taking good precautions.
Its Shocking all those Younger's
in Scottish University and night
time gatherings have caught Covid-19
Scotland were mean't to be strict.
TS ? What the hell are they doing???????????????Bugs spread like wildfire in Universities especially in the first month or two of each new year... Happens every year... It's what they call "freshers flu" (not an actual flu but an observation that tonnes of students get ill at the beginning of term). Combination of large numbers of people from different locations all coming together, and lowered immune systems from drinking too much and not eating well.
It was inevitable that it would happen with Covid.
arista
25-09-2020, 10:57 AM
Bugs spread like wildfire in Universities especially in the first month or two of each new year... Happens every year... It's what they call "freshers flu" (not an actual flu but an observation that tonnes of students get ill at the beginning of term). Combination of large numbers of people from different locations all coming together, and lowered immune systems from drinking too much and not eating well.
It was inevitable that it would happen with Covid.
Just Watched Your Scottish Health
Covid Warning Ad
a Mum with Green mud her face
spreading it all over the Kitchen.
We need that in England.
On a Live Debate Ch5HD AM
they showed it.
arista
25-09-2020, 11:00 AM
There are Tests
that take 20mins.
Make more of them
Use them in the University.
Nicky91
25-09-2020, 11:13 AM
Bugs spread like wildfire in Universities especially in the first month or two of each new year... Happens every year... It's what they call "freshers flu" (not an actual flu but an observation that tonnes of students get ill at the beginning of term). Combination of large numbers of people from different locations all coming together, and lowered immune systems from drinking too much and not eating well.
It was inevitable that it would happen with Covid.
every school is like a heaven for bacteria in general, especially if u don't open windows too often
idk why they thought schools could stay open since its already dangerous for regular flu virusses, let alone covid-19
Liam-
25-09-2020, 12:10 PM
Cardiff, Swansea and Llanelli have all been put into lockdown
One in 500 people in homes in England had Covid-19 in the week of 19 September, according to the latest figures from the Office for National Statistics.
This is up from one in 900 reported last week (nearly doubled) and equates to 103,600 people.
The ONS estimates that there were 9,600 new infections per day in the same week, up 60% on the 6,000 cases per day reported in the previous week.
Cherie
25-09-2020, 01:33 PM
Just Watched Your Scottish Health
Covid Warning Ad
a Mum with Green mud her face
spreading it all over the Kitchen.
We need that in England.
On a Live Debate Ch5HD AM
they showed it.
I’m afraid if the thickos haven’t grasped how it is spread by now, they never will
Cherie insults half of the UK in a single swipe :laugh:
Strictly Jake
25-09-2020, 01:38 PM
Bugs spread like wildfire in Universities especially in the first month or two of each new year... Happens every year... It's what they call "freshers flu" (not an actual flu but an observation that tonnes of students get ill at the beginning of term). Combination of large numbers of people from different locations all coming together, and lowered immune systems from drinking too much and not eating well.
It was inevitable that it would happen with Covid.
Yep your right. I can tell you that the first week in october without fail I always catch the freshers flu. Im dreading this years. Lasts for about 2 weeks of cough and runny nose!!
arista
25-09-2020, 01:50 PM
Cherie insults half of the UK in a single swipe :laugh:
Only the bad ones who are helping spread
China's Covid-19.
arista
25-09-2020, 01:52 PM
Cardiff, Swansea and Llanelli have all been put into lockdown
Thats a Shame
but best to try to stop this
Possibly for some, the Deadly Virus
China's Covid-19
...I read earlier that Morrison’s have already begun with the rationing/only two items of certain things again...anticipating shortages and panic buying....and so they’re contributing to shortages and panic buying...
Cherie
25-09-2020, 03:01 PM
Cherie insults half of the UK in a single swipe :laugh:
I aim to please :laugh:
Cherie
25-09-2020, 03:02 PM
I was in Sainsburys earlier and all stock was normal, I did buy a jumbo pack of TR though just in case :laugh:
arista
25-09-2020, 03:33 PM
The Highest New Covid-19 Cases Today in England, Wales and Northern Ireland
6,874
SkyNewsHD
Scotland has not given numbers.
[Due to a power outage at National Records of Scotland,
we have not been able
to update the deaths figures for Scotland.]
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
34 dead today
41,396 Total Deaths.
arista
25-09-2020, 04:16 PM
The UK Royal Family are £35 Million
in the Red.
Because of Covid-19
no paying visitors to any of the buildings etc.
The UK Royal Family are £35 Million
in the Red.
Because of Covid-19
no paying visitors to any of the buildings etc.
My heart bleeds for them ... hopefully these hard times has curtailed all the hunting of innocent creatures ..
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Strictly Jake
25-09-2020, 04:45 PM
...I read earlier that Morrison’s have already begun with the rationing/only two items of certain things again...anticipating shortages and panic buying....and so they’re contributing to shortages and panic buying...
Was in there today just to do a normal shop. No restrictions regarding rationing had happened yet but it was busy and I did see quite a few ladies coming out of the shop with bulk toilet roll at which point i said to my wife quite loudly near them theu do realise there is a toilet roll making factory 5 minutes from here, we arent gonna run out!!
But the flour ailes looked pretty empty!
Nicky91
25-09-2020, 04:52 PM
i told my parents already about this hamstering news in UK, they didn't know but we are taking precautions with toilet rolls
btw why just toilet rolls, not food?
michael21
25-09-2020, 04:56 PM
i told my parents already about this hamstering news in UK, they didn't know but we are taking precautions with toilet rolls
btw why just toilet rolls, not food?
toilet rolls sales out fast so you have to get them
Food can go of
arista
25-09-2020, 05:18 PM
ITV1HD London,
claims Parts of London could go into Lockdown.
One area Redbridge
has a massive amount of new cases.
It is on the Governments Watchlist.
Now in general terms I've made a bit of a u turn and embraced mask wearing but I've just come into my local pub, I've got to wear a mask on entering but then not once seated. So I've worn it for 30 seconds in here, and will now not be wearing it in here for the next 2 hours until I have to put it on again for 30 seconds to leave
What is the point of this
Cherie
25-09-2020, 05:47 PM
Now in general terms I've made a bit of a u turn and embraced mask wearing but I've just come into my local pub, I've got to wear a mask on entering but then not once seated. So I've worn it for 30 seconds in here, and will now not be wearing it in here for the next 2 hours until I have to put it on again for 30 seconds to leave
What is the point of this
Its 60 secs of protection for your fellow drinkers :love:
Yeah stupid
Its 60 secs of protection for your fellow drinkers :love:
Yeah stupid
Pubs need to shut, after tomorrow.
arista
25-09-2020, 06:22 PM
Ch4HD News just said
a Local lockdown in Manchester
because of Students.
AnnieK
25-09-2020, 06:28 PM
Ch4HD News just said
a Local lockdown in Manchester
because of Students.
We're already under local lockdown its MMU Halls that are now locked down and have to self isolate, 1,700 students
arista
25-09-2020, 06:30 PM
We're already under local lockdown its MMU Halls that are now locked down and have to self isolate, 1,700 students
Thats alot.
Ch4HD News just said
a Local lockdown in Manchester
because of Students.
Students are banned from pubs in glasgow
Infections by region
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That graphs like an Alton towers ride you just dont want to be on..
Kizzy
25-09-2020, 09:39 PM
As of midnight us in Leeds can't visit anyone...not even in the garden! I do my mum's shopping so that's going to be awkward :/
As of midnight us in Leeds can't visit anyone...not even in the garden! I do my mum's shopping so that's going to be awkward :/
Jeezo kizzy.. that doesn't sound good.
AnnieK
25-09-2020, 09:45 PM
As of midnight us in Leeds can't visit anyone...not even in the garden! I do my mum's shopping so that's going to be awkward :/
Is your mum on her own? If so if you're under the same rules that we are she can be classed as part of a support bubble with you and therefore classed as the same household so you can go to her house and she can come to yours. It only applies to single people or single parents with children under 18. I was in the same position with my dad but we are able to carry on as normal with him as he lives alone.
Kizzy
25-09-2020, 10:25 PM
Is your mum on her own? If so if you're under the same rules that we are she can be classed as part of a support bubble with you and therefore classed as the same household so you can go to her house and she can come to yours. It only applies to single people or single parents with children under 18. I was in the same position with my dad but we are able to carry on as normal with him as he lives alone.
Ah right... t's me and my son (22) at home and we both work. My sister orders her some stuff with her order but she lives an hour away and only comes once a week I live 5 doors away from mum. I sit in her porch with the patio doors closed atm if I pop in and use an antibacterial spray in the air as I leave. I did her shopping today, just don't know what to do for the best :(
Ch4HD News just said
a Local lockdown in Manchester
because of Students.
The only ones who won’t abide by the new regulations will be the students ..
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Kizzy
25-09-2020, 10:51 PM
x_Cizl7ifkA
arista
26-09-2020, 12:44 AM
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arista
26-09-2020, 12:46 AM
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Ah right... t's me and my son (22) at home and we both work. My sister orders her some stuff with her order but she lives an hour away and only comes once a week I live 5 doors away from mum. I sit in her porch with the patio doors closed atm if I pop in and use an antibacterial spray in the air as I leave. I did her shopping today, just don't know what to do for the best :(
...:hug:..this was updated just a few days ago, Kizzy....
You do not need to socially distance from anyone in your household, meaning the people you live with. You also do not need to socially distance from someone you’re in an established relationship with, or anyone in your legally-permitted support bubble if you are in one.
It may not always be possible or practicable to maintain social distancing when providing care to a young child, or person with a disability or health condition. You should still limit close contact as much as possible when providing these types of care, and take other precautions such as washing hands and opening windows for ventilation
....here’s the link to read through the whole thing if you need to...it should be ok to carry on as you have been doing, I hope that your mum is doing ok with it all...
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing
Nicky91
26-09-2020, 07:31 AM
Mayor of Eindhoven (my city) Jorritsma wants a MUST to wear face masks
he will go into a meeting with OMT, RIVM on monday about this
first of the local mayors who wants this :D
he does not want it for ''medical reasons'' but more group aspect he said, more in a way of together we can fight corona, and right now not everyone wants to wear face mask as it isn't a requirement
Cherie
26-09-2020, 08:06 AM
Ah right... t's me and my son (22) at home and we both work. My sister orders her some stuff with her order but she lives an hour away and only comes once a week I live 5 doors away from mum. I sit in her porch with the patio doors closed atm if I pop in and use an antibacterial spray in the air as I leave. I did her shopping today, just don't know what to do for the best :(
That’s tough Kizzy, I would carry on seeing your Mum, she is vulnerable and needs to have company, when you visit wear a mask and keep your distance as much as is practical is what I would advise
Kizzy I'm sure if you help out an elderly relative then you/they are exempt from the no entering other peoples house rule, at least that's how it is here
Kizzy
26-09-2020, 08:31 AM
Brill thanks guys :) was having a bit of a wobble over it all yesterday, will carry on as we have been then.
you are always allowed to enter the house of someone who needs care, no matter the lockdown conditions
joeysteele
26-09-2020, 08:42 AM
Ah right... t's me and my son (22) at home and we both work. My sister orders her some stuff with her order but she lives an hour away and only comes once a week I live 5 doors away from mum. I sit in her porch with the patio doors closed atm if I pop in and use an antibacterial spray in the air as I leave. I did her shopping today, just don't know what to do for the best :(
Aw Kizzy, I understand totally your worry here.
For me it was easier, I got my Mum over from Republic of Ireland and into my home before the first lockdown.
I've been able to look out for and ensure she is as near 100% safe as is possible.
I know how relieved I am to be able to do that, so I fully understand your need and hope to see your Mum and you yourself are safe too.
On the surface, you should be okay still attending to your Mum's needs.
As others have said, it's more you are in her support bubble.
There are unfortunately differences of conditions in different areas of the UK.
Some in restrictions, some in near full lockdown, others still rumbling on to some normality, some with little restrictions
However, as Ammi and Cherie have indicated, you should be in the identity of a support bubble for your Mum.
So should be fine to continue to support and assist her.
You know her ways and her needs more than anyone else likely so that is the ideal solution to helping see to her needs.
I commend you on your care for her and concern at maybe being restricted not to.
I cannot see where you shouldn't continue as you have been for your Mum.
They are precious individuals.
So I hope everything is and goes well for you all Kizzy..
Thinking of you.
AnnieK
26-09-2020, 09:46 AM
Ah right... t's me and my son (22) at home and we both work. My sister orders her some stuff with her order but she lives an hour away and only comes once a week I live 5 doors away from mum. I sit in her porch with the patio doors closed atm if I pop in and use an antibacterial spray in the air as I leave. I did her shopping today, just don't know what to do for the best :(
If your mum lives alone she is in your support bubble and you can treat her as if she lived in your home.
I had the same wobble as you when we went into local lockdown with my dad being alone but we have been able to carry on as normal with him legally.
Kizzy
26-09-2020, 09:57 AM
Thanks so much Joey and Annie it means a lot you've all taken the time to put my mind at rest about it.
I can't really treat her as in my bubble because we work, I'm around a lot of people a lot of the time. My sis has asthma so she is in mums bubble. I can't risk her coming here and limit my time in her home ( in the porch) as I can't risk being around either of them.
I suppose we're lucky really to have the porch it's a kind of 'safe space' easy to keep clean but she can still see and talk to us :/
joeysteele
26-09-2020, 10:05 AM
Thanks so much Joey and Annie it means a lot you've all taken the time to put my mind at rest about it.
I can't really treat her as in my bubble because we work, I'm around a lot of people a lot of the time. My sis has asthma so she is in mums bubble. I can't risk her coming here and limit my time in her home ( in the porch) as I can't risk being around either of them.
I suppose we're lucky really to have the porch it's a kind of 'safe space' easy to keep clean but she can still see and talk to us :/
I understand that.
It's so hard and all you'll want to do is keep her safe.
It is good you have the porch.
You are correct however, although it was because he was NHS staff.
A friend lived with his Father who had a serious health condition.
He was advised to leave the house and live elsewhere so as not to put his Father at risk.
That was in the full first lockdown.
He still could go to the gate and see him to wave to and take him things.
Not really talk to.him and go in the house.
You having the porch is an asset with these restrictions in place still now.
I really do commend your concern and determination to protect your Mum Kizzy.
This virus is truly detestable.
Cruel in so many ways.
AnnieK
26-09-2020, 10:08 AM
Thanks so much Joey and Annie it means a lot you've all taken the time to put my mind at rest about it.
I can't really treat her as in my bubble because we work, I'm around a lot of people a lot of the time. My sis has asthma so she is in mums bubble. I can't risk her coming here and limit my time in her home ( in the porch) as I can't risk being around either of them.
I suppose we're lucky really to have the porch it's a kind of 'safe space' easy to keep clean but she can still see and talk to us :/
Aw it's so hard isn't it? I've had the same dilemma for the last two weeks as my son has been isolating due to a confirmed case in his class so we've had to stay well away so we didn't pass anything to him. We've also limited the time spent there since Matthew went back to school and have social distanced whilst there and then cleaned as we've left. Horrid times
...it’s not really a positive thing as such...but the thing with the COVID and everything COVID related...?....is knowing that no one is ever to feel isolated in their worries and wobbles and anxious moments etc...because we all go them at different times and over different things and in different ways...so no one is ever ‘alone’, you know....
All you need to know about coronavirus compliance officers and what they do...
As the government warns that coronavirus marshals will be a common sight on UK streets for the foreseeable future, local councils have already engaged staff to monitor restaurants and bars, on the lookout for illegal lock-ins and late-night drinkers.
Boris Johnson has warned that COVID-secure compliance officers are being employed to enforce social distancing rules to help stop the spread of coronavirus.
And as a 10pm curfew on the hospitality came into force on Thursday City of Westminster inspectors were out in force peering through pub windows on the lookout for anyone breaching the rules.
Venues and business owners could face fines of up to £10,000 if they do not abide by the curfew, which could be in place for up to six months, as could members of the public who flout the ‘Rule of Six’ and other restrictions.
In Cornwall, street marshals were introduced in Camborne, Helston, Newquay, Redruth, St Austell, St Ives and Truro in July.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/what-are-coronavirus-compliance-officers-161118381.html
Crazily, having all these venues closing at the same time pushes everyone out on the streets at the same time creating pedestrian congestion
Mayor of Eindhoven (my city) Jorritsma wants a MUST to wear face masks
he will go into a meeting with OMT, RIVM on monday about this
first of the local mayors who wants this :D
he does not want it for ''medical reasons'' but more group aspect he said, more in a way of together we can fight corona, and right now not everyone wants to wear face mask as it isn't a requirement
You can all look good in masks ..
There are some beaut masks available at £3 or £4
It bemuses me when I see celebs or sports presenters wearing those drab cheap white masks ..
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arista
26-09-2020, 11:09 AM
Crazily, having all these venues closing at the same time pushes everyone out on the streets at the same time creating pedestrian congestion
Yes that was on the news.
No way around this,
Crazily, having all these venues closing at the same time pushes everyone out on the streets at the same time creating pedestrian congestion
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Oliver_W
26-09-2020, 11:38 AM
Interesting how the government was happy to use tax payers' money to bail out the banks, but aren't so happy to help the tax payers...
(yes, I know it's an entirely different government at this point, but still!)
arista
26-09-2020, 11:38 AM
A clip on SkyNewsHD
in Oldham, showed Police going into a Chicken take away
as after 10PM they are meant to be Delivery Only.
They sold Hot Food to some blokes
at 10:40PM, the officer gave that place a Warning.
If they do it again
£1000 fine.
Strictly Jake
26-09-2020, 11:46 AM
...it’s not really a positive thing as such...but the thing with the COVID and everything COVID related...?....is knowing that no one is ever to feel isolated in their worries and wobbles and anxious moments etc...because we all go them at different times and over different things and in different ways...so no one is ever ‘alone’, you know....
Great post Ammi
I had a bit of a breakdown today. Feels like all my anxieties and worries and financial worries and family worries all piled on top of each other and one thing just made me snap. It made me scream and it upset the kids
But I feel like as this all gets worse again we are all going to have good days and bad days and we all need to look out for each other
Cherie
26-09-2020, 11:50 AM
I think we are handling this all wrong, I think we should be financially and/or emotionally supporting anyone at risk of death from the virus, but given the vast majority are not, with occasional exceptions as with any disease, the majority of the population should carry on as normal and police themselves ie if there are vulnerable family members living with them or that they visit then take the necessary precautions
I think it is stupid locking down 18 year olds in halls for instance
I think we are handling this all wrong, I think we should be financially and/or emotionally supporting anyone at risk of death from the virus, but given the vast majority are not, with occasional exceptions as with any disease, the majority of the population should carry on as normal and police themselves ie if there are vulnerable family members living with them or that they visit then take the necessary precautions
I think it is stupid locking down 18 year olds in halls for instance
yeah i think so too ... we could keep everything running and take extra special care of the vulnerable. A 3 month lock down was acceptable at the time ... but being lockdown 6 months+ every year is not going to work
DouglasS
26-09-2020, 12:05 PM
I’m confused about the law, my flatmate has COVID, and so I am self isolating. Does this mean I can’t go to the supermarket to buy both of our food/shopping also? Because we need groceries soon
Scarlett.
26-09-2020, 12:06 PM
I’m confused about the law, my flatmate has COVID, and so I am self isolating. Does this mean I can’t go to the supermarket to buy both of our food/shopping also? Because we need groceries soon
You would need to order them online, and have them leave the groceries at the door/limit contact as much as possible
Strictly Jake
26-09-2020, 12:07 PM
I’m confused about the law, my flatmate has COVID, and so I am self isolating. Does this mean I can’t go to the supermarket to buy both of our food/shopping also? Because we need groceries soon
No you cant go to the shop. Online delivery?
Great post Ammi
I had a bit of a breakdown today. Feels like all my anxieties and worries and financial worries and family worries all piled on top of each other and one thing just made me snap. It made me scream and it upset the kids
But I feel like as this all gets worse again we are all going to have good days and bad days and we all need to look out for each other
...Jake..:hug:...it wouldn’t upset your children for very long because they know that it’s not you...they don’t associate a loving parent with being upset...in that moment, it’s not something you could do because you obviously felt a need to release as well, which we also need...?...but again, these things can be turned into a ‘positive’ opening in asking if they have any worries/questions etc. themselves...just any aspects of anything at all that they might be unsure of..?....maybe do something together like making a worry tree or some such similar activity thing for your older child to hang any worries she may have on the tree so you and Mrs Jake will see them...
AnnieK
26-09-2020, 12:26 PM
I’m confused about the law, my flatmate has COVID, and so I am self isolating. Does this mean I can’t go to the supermarket to buy both of our food/shopping also? Because we need groceries soon
If someone in your home is self isolating because they are a confirmed case everyone in the home has to isolate for 14 days even if no symptoms. No leaving for any reason.
If someone in your home is self isolating because they have been in contact with a confirmed case, only they have to stay home.
DouglasS
26-09-2020, 12:40 PM
12 more days to go then :bored:
Cherie
26-09-2020, 01:06 PM
12 more days to go then :bored:
Let us know how you get on with getting an online slot :bored:
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Won’t that affect the air-con ?
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Thousands of people have gathered for an anti-coronavirus restrictions protest in Trafalgar Square, London.
None of those at the "we do not consent" rally appeared to be social distancing or wearing masks as they demonstrated against government rules.
Protests are exempt from the rule-of-six restrictions, but organisers must submit a risk assessment and comply with social distancing.
Police said the rules were designed to keep people safe from a lethal virus.
The Metropolitan Police said enforcement of distancing rules and dispersing crowds "remains a last resort but will be undertaken if required".
Earlier, police confiscated a makeshift riot shield from one man.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54309603
Strictly Jake
26-09-2020, 01:40 PM
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Thousands of people have gathered for an anti-coronavirus restrictions protest in Trafalgar Square, London.
None of those at the "we do not consent" rally appeared to be social distancing or wearing masks as they demonstrated against government rules.
Protests are exempt from the rule-of-six restrictions, but organisers must submit a risk assessment and comply with social distancing.
Police said the rules were designed to keep people safe from a lethal virus.
The Metropolitan Police said enforcement of distancing rules and dispersing crowds "remains a last resort but will be undertaken if required".
Earlier, police confiscated a makeshift riot shield from one man.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54309603
This is what grinds my gears. All these protests in london yet the case rate apparently isnt that high yet where I live no protests whatsoevet and we are in lockdown!!
Cherie
26-09-2020, 01:45 PM
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Thousands of people have gathered for an anti-coronavirus restrictions protest in Trafalgar Square, London.
None of those at the "we do not consent" rally appeared to be social distancing or wearing masks as they demonstrated against government rules.
Protests are exempt from the rule-of-six restrictions, but organisers must submit a risk assessment and comply with social distancing.
Police said the rules were designed to keep people safe from a lethal virus.
The Metropolitan Police said enforcement of distancing rules and dispersing crowds "remains a last resort but will be undertaken if required".
Earlier, police confiscated a makeshift riot shield from one man.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54309603
A few months ago I would have said twats, but the bungling mis management has me firmly in their corner now
constant lockdowns are untenable, more and more people will ignore them
Boris Johnson ‘never discussed 10pm pub curfew with science advisers’...
A scientist advising Boris Johnson has claimed he never heard the 10pm pub curfew plan discussed before it was announced.
The prime minister told people in England this week to work from home where possible and ordered restaurants and bars to close early from Thursday to tackle a fast-spreading second wave of coronavirus.
Some politicians have questioned whether those measures go far enough, however, with the first minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, telling households they also cannot mix indoors.
Professor Graham Medley, who sits on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) committee, has now said the group never talked about the impact the policy of closing hospitality services earlier would have on infection rates.
He said: “I never discussed it or heard it discussed.”
His colleague on Sage, Professor John Edmunds, also previously said the curfew was “fairly trivial” and would have a “very small impact on the epidemic”.
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Thousands of people have gathered for an anti-coronavirus restrictions protest in Trafalgar Square, London.
None of those at the "we do not consent" rally appeared to be social distancing or wearing masks as they demonstrated against government rules.
Protests are exempt from the rule-of-six restrictions, but organisers must submit a risk assessment and comply with social distancing.
Police said the rules were designed to keep people safe from a lethal virus.
The Metropolitan Police said enforcement of distancing rules and dispersing crowds "remains a last resort but will be undertaken if required".
Earlier, police confiscated a makeshift riot shield from one man.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54309603
Will we find out how many of them get poorly from today’s outing I wonder
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Cherie
26-09-2020, 03:31 PM
Boris Johnson ‘never discussed 10pm pub curfew with science advisers’...
A scientist advising Boris Johnson has claimed he never heard the 10pm pub curfew plan discussed before it was announced.
The prime minister told people in England this week to work from home where possible and ordered restaurants and bars to close early from Thursday to tackle a fast-spreading second wave of coronavirus.
Some politicians have questioned whether those measures go far enough, however, with the first minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, telling households they also cannot mix indoors.
Professor Graham Medley, who sits on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) committee, has now said the group never talked about the impact the policy of closing hospitality services earlier would have on infection rates.
He said: “I never discussed it or heard it discussed.”
His colleague on Sage, Professor John Edmunds, also previously said the curfew was “fairly trivial” and would have a “very small impact on the epidemic”.
It will have bugger all impact on infection rates
...yeah, I think that the impact on those businesses with the restrictions/curfew placed on them will be huge though, sadly...if it’s not something that will have infection rate benefit.../..reduction...
arista
26-09-2020, 04:32 PM
This is what grinds my gears. All these protests in london yet the case rate apparently isnt that high yet where I live no protests whatsoevet and we are in lockdown!!
Its now moved to, Hyde Park
10 arrests, at this time
SkyNewsHD Live
There will be holes in any plan but for me it's obvious that if you restrict the hours of an industry that can be risky (especially with late night venues) then there's less potential for transmission
It's not like this is a new idea as many countries in have done similar as have states in the US
There will be holes in any plan but for me it's obvious that if you restrict the hours of an industry that can be risky (especially with late night venues) then there's less potential for transmission
It's not like this is a new idea as many countries in have done similar as have states in the US
we will see within the week if it is having a good effect on numbers or not .... my bet is not
we will see within the week if it is having a good effect on numbers or not .... my bet is not
Well we might see but I expect infections will still creep up so be hard to know if this has slowed it or not, same as how infections have still risen with masks so we don't know exactly how effective that's been
Well we might see but I expect infections will still creep up so be hard to know if this has slowed it or not, same as how infections have still risen with masks so we don't know exactly how effective that's been
yeah i think at some point 2 metre distance and face masks are less effective in mitigating infection ... we don't know enough about it yet
arista
26-09-2020, 05:50 PM
Patients in hospital
1,727
6,042 New Covid-19 cases.
34 Deaths today
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
41,971 Total deaths of Covid-19
yeah i think at some point 2 metre distance and face masks are less effective in mitigating infection ... we don't know enough about it yet
Mmm.. today in London
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Yesterday in Italy
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arista
26-09-2020, 06:16 PM
Yes Zizu
it's going on all over many places in the World.
Except New Zealand.
Yes Zizu
it's going on all over many places in the World.
Except New Zealand.
They are only 5 million or less in an area larger than the UK plus they’re in the middle of nowhere :)
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arista
26-09-2020, 11:03 PM
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arista
26-09-2020, 11:04 PM
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26-09-2020, 11:05 PM
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Nicky91
27-09-2020, 10:39 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/new-coronavirus-measures-likely-in-amsterdam-the-hague-prime-minister-says/
new coronavirus measures likely in Amsterdam, The Hague our PM had said
Coronavirus: 'Follow the rules if you want students home for Christmas', says culture secretary...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-follow-the-rules-if-you-want-students-home-for-christmas-says-culture-secretary-12083205
the student stuff is a mess, but did anyone seriously think it would work out differently the moment they opened them up? I certainly didn't ... and all this talk about isolating students away from their families gets closer to 1984 by the minute. This needn't have happened if they had prepared for distance learning
...it’s almost like they’re being held hostage or ensure compliance...only for that section of society though...frightening ...
user104658
27-09-2020, 12:36 PM
I think opening up universities for all subjects was probably an error - especially when most subjects can be studied just as effectively by distance learning. They should have given the majority of students the option of deferring or starting the degree fully online.
Some subjects need to be studied on campus (those that require lab and practical access etc.) and some of those subjects had to resume (nursing, medicine, dentistry etc... You can't just put them "on pause" because you'd create a huge workforce deficit next year).
From what I understand, the University nearest to me has basically done that - most subjects are distance learning and that frees up the campus for nursing students etc. who can't really do distance learning, but can be there in person with far fewer other people around, so massively reducing the risks.
as an 18 year old, who wouldn't be crapping it if a squad of police and security turned up and stopped anyone leaving the building, with no opportunity to get food an supplies in
Cherie
27-09-2020, 01:56 PM
Coronavirus: 'Follow the rules if you want students home for Christmas', says culture secretary...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-follow-the-rules-if-you-want-students-home-for-christmas-says-culture-secretary-12083205
How dare he try to bully people into submission like that
Nicky91
27-09-2020, 02:00 PM
has anyone else also read about Covid-19 not only leaving you with lung problems, but also can lead to other organ problems such as with kidney, heart or brain
i saw something about this on our dutch tv, also interviews with covid survivors how horrendous this virus really is, and how it affects them even after being recovered from it
Strictly Jake
27-09-2020, 02:04 PM
Ah just reading about manchester university positive cases! I work at lancaster uni. Its not that far off from it at all! Im responsible for ensuring everything stays clean and sanitised and have been given extra hours at work in order to sanitise touch points etc. Ermmmm no pressure then....
the latest research shows that smaller covid droplets are now causing a problem, because they a smaller and lighter, they get through masks wearers and hang around in the air and travel further than 2 metres (the weight of the larger droplets makes them fall before 2 metres. The upshot is that people are still catching covid, but they arent getting as big a dose from the smaller droplets, so it is less damaging
the latest research shows that smaller covid droplets are now causing a problem, because they a smaller and lighter, they get through masks wearers and hang around in the air and travel further than 2 metres (the weight of the larger droplets makes them fall before 2 metres. The upshot is that people are still catching covid, but they arent getting as big a dose from the smaller droplets, so it is less damaging
That’s the ‘ theory’ I mentioned a while back .. how important it is to keep the viral load you get to a minimum
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arista
27-09-2020, 04:10 PM
5,693 New Cases
17 Deaths from Covid-19 today
41,988 Total UK Deaths
Ch4HDnews
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joeysteele
27-09-2020, 04:23 PM
Coronavirus: 'Follow the rules if you want students home for Christmas', says culture secretary...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-follow-the-rules-if-you-want-students-home-for-christmas-says-culture-secretary-12083205
Oh that Dowden waste of political space.
I'm surprised he even kept to the topic.
There's rather ugly and threatening tones from just about all in this Cabinet.
This guy is another pathetic incompetent.
i don't like the tones coming from the government at all, it seems the default it to be accusatory and terse
reece(:
27-09-2020, 04:52 PM
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Shambles.
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Shambles.
That was the worshipped Nicky that started that
Cherie
27-09-2020, 05:41 PM
Yesterday there were some students interviewed and they could have gone home, and they said some were collected, but they chose to stay so they could party in halls so they aren’t imprisoned as such
Yesterday there were some students interviewed and they could have gone home, and they said some were collected, but they chose to stay so they could party in halls so they aren’t imprisoned as such
some halls the police and security were there blocking anyones exit ... i wouldnt be happy with that at all under any circumstances
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arista
28-09-2020, 07:44 AM
Yesterday there were some students interviewed and they could have gone home, and they said some were collected, but they chose to stay so they could party in halls so they aren’t imprisoned as such
Yes on GMBHD itv
they had five students all sitting together Live in Manchester
but two in the middle brought Covid-19
to that bubble
now they all have it.
But they are not Coughing at all
these youngers are just Spreaders
Nicky91
28-09-2020, 08:11 AM
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/coronavirus-does-impact-the-brain-via-immune-system-dutch-researchers-find/
coronavirus does impact the brain via immune system, dutch researchers find
joeysteele
28-09-2020, 08:21 AM
has anyone else also read about Covid-19 not only leaving you with lung problems, but also can lead to other organ problems such as with kidney, heart or brain
i saw something about this on our dutch tv, also interviews with covid survivors how horrendous this virus really is, and how it affects them even after being recovered from it
Yes it can.
People have been left needing kidney transplants after this virus.
Permanent lung damage.
Liver damage and yes brain damage too.
It's a hateful and cruel virus.
It's not only lives it can take as to those who get it, it can destroy their quality of life after getting it too.
That's the long list of devastation it brings to those unfortunate to get it and for their loved ones too seeing the effects of it.
user104658
28-09-2020, 08:22 AM
Yes on GMBHD itv
they had five students all sitting together Live in Manchester
but two in the middle brought Covid-19
to that bubble
now they all have it.
But they are not Coughing at all
these youngers are just Spreaders
That's an extra part of the problem with Universities though; huge groups of people from all over the country (the world, even) and the vast majority are under 25 so more likely to be asymptomatic. In theory a whole university could be infected with only a fairly small percentage showing any symptoms at all... But they're mingling with the community, too.
Like I said would have been far more sensible to offer distance learning where possible this year. Keep the campus for things that require it like medicine/nursing/lab subjects.
Universities have been set up for digital submissions etc. for years, and most already record lectures etc, they don't even need any new tech to go distance.
joeysteele
28-09-2020, 08:23 AM
Listening to a so called Care Minister Helen Whateley this morning, interviewed by Kay Burley.
How on earth does she keep her job, for goodness sake.
arista
28-09-2020, 08:32 AM
Listening to a so called Care Minister Helen Whateley this morning, interviewed by Kay Burley.
How on earth does she keep her job, for goodness sake.
Yes that bit was used on GMBHD itv.
Who the Conservatives have banned.
So they borrow Edits from Kay Buleys show
giving her big credits.
covid can and does affect all the major organs, it plays havoc with your circulation. I know someone young that had 3 heart attacks from it
Nicky91
28-09-2020, 08:35 AM
covid can and does affect all the major organs, it plays havoc with your circulation. I know someone young that had 3 heart attacks from it
oh that's awful :(
arista
28-09-2020, 08:35 AM
covid can and does affect all the major organs, it plays havoc with your circulation. I know someone young that had 3 heart attacks from it
So far the bunch in Manchester seem fine
arista
28-09-2020, 08:40 AM
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it's this type of thing that really pisses people off and stops them following rules
Liam-
28-09-2020, 09:19 AM
It’s almost like they’re trying to piss people off
It’s almost like they’re trying to piss people off
...they just know that they’re fairly untouchable so really don’t care, is what I think...they’re not the voice of the people or in the interest of the people, they’re much greater than the people so they’ll apply their own rules to their ‘stature’...
...I can’t even apply the energy to be annoyed, it’s just too much and too expected now...
Here’s why panic buying happens – and how it will likely go digital as the threat of a second lockdown looms...
https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-panic-buying-happens-likely-115354200.html
Kizzy
28-09-2020, 09:48 AM
x_Cizl7ifkA
...it’s a tale as old as time, isn’t it...
https://media.giphy.com/media/lrE7YHleIbm2PtY1RL/giphy.gif
joeysteele
28-09-2020, 10:31 AM
Yes that bit was used on GMBHD itv.
Who the Conservatives have banned.
So they borrow Edits from Kay Buleys show
giving her big credits.
Was that done by Piers Morgan arista?
He cannot bear Whateley either.
arista
28-09-2020, 10:34 AM
Was that done by Piers Morgan arista?
He cannot bear Whateley either.
Yes Piers does not like her.
Its clever to borrow Conservative MP's clips
on Kay Burleys AM show
It is the only way they get them on GMBHD itv.
arista
28-09-2020, 10:39 AM
It’s almost like they’re trying to piss people off
Now a U turn
Parliament has U-turned over the sale
of alcohol on its premises, deciding to follow
the 10pm curfew imposed on all pubs, bars and restaurants.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-parliament-u-turns-on-exempting-own-bars-from-10pm-curfew-12084299
Nicky91
28-09-2020, 10:43 AM
my mom said, UK does a lot better than Netherlands :skull:
Netherlands tonight a urgent press conference with our PM, and health minister, for announcement of new stricter measures
Nicky91
28-09-2020, 11:02 AM
right now in Utrecht there is a meeting of safety council members of all regions and also attended by minister Grapperhaus
arista
28-09-2020, 11:13 AM
my mom said, UK does a lot better than Netherlands :skull:
Netherlands tonight a urgent press conference with our PM, and health minister, for announcement of new stricter measures
Thats Nice of Her.
Kizzy
28-09-2020, 12:42 PM
my mom said, UK does a lot better than Netherlands :skull:
Netherlands tonight a urgent press conference with our PM, and health minister, for announcement of new stricter measures
I read about euthanasia in the Netherlands, maybe there aren't as many people affected as those most vulnerable have already killed themselves?
arista
28-09-2020, 01:19 PM
On the Radio
An Official Phoned someone who was meant to be a home with Covid-19
then said can open your Front Door.
And of course they were not a Home isolating.
They need to do more of these.
arista
28-09-2020, 01:24 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/28/12/33711800-8780327-Boris_Johnson_pictured_on_a_visit_to_a_school_in_R uislip_today_i-a-15_1601293483744.jpg
arista
28-09-2020, 01:26 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/28/12/33678584-8780327-A_huge_queue_of_people_formed_outside_Tesco_Expres s_in_Portsmout-a-9_1601293148267.jpg
[A huge queue of people formed outside Tesco Express
in Portsmouth, Hampshire,
as many opted to keep the night going with
cans and bottles bought from a supermarket]
[Tory MPs label 'idiotic' 10pm curfew a 'sick experiment' to 'incubate a second wave
after crowds of pub goers pile out to party in streets and at
homes instead as police and council leaders say it's doing 'more harm than good']
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8780327/Manchester-Mayor-Andy-Burnham-says-10pm-curfew-doing-harm-good.html
arista
28-09-2020, 01:31 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/28/12/33715702-8780179-image-a-1_1601291990647.jpg
user104658
28-09-2020, 01:49 PM
TBH yes I can see how 10pm pub curfew is a potential disaster; once people have a few drinks in them, going back to each other's houses to continue the night is going to seem like a great plan, which is obviously riskier than just staying put.
Nicky91
28-09-2020, 01:51 PM
requirement on masks in public places is what might happen in my country
but Jaap Van Dissel should be held responsible for the unnecessary amount of covid deaths what could've been prevented, him and his failing outbreak management team
Strictly Jake
28-09-2020, 02:01 PM
On the Radio
An Official Phoned someone who was meant to be a home with Covid-19
then said can open your Front Door.
And of course they were not a Home isolating.
They need to do more of these.
Philip said this on this morning her said friends of his friends had this happen to them
arista
28-09-2020, 02:18 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/28/14/33720574-0-image-m-1_1601301440185.jpg
TBH yes I can see how 10pm pub curfew is a potential disaster; once people have a few drinks in them, going back to each other's houses to continue the night is going to seem like a great plan, which is obviously riskier than just staying put.
...those were my thoughts completely when it was first announced...’the danger zones’ or high risk areas seem to be residential homes...this is what has been reported...so a restriction/curfew is brought out which would make sense to possibly lead to ‘continued drinking’ in homes...and then if neighbours see that drinking, they’re encouraged to report it...which will lead to a fine, while the virus continues to flourish...I really can’t fathom this government’s decisions at all...
...those were my thoughts completely when it was first announced...’the danger zones’ or high risk areas seem to be residential homes...this is what has been reported...so a restriction/curfew is brought out which would make sense to possibly lead to ‘continued drinking’ in homes...and then if neighbours see that drinking, they’re encouraged to report it...which will lead to a fine, while the virus continues to flourish...I really can’t fathom this government’s decisions at all...
maybe we will all be proven wrong if the figures go down next week ... then we would all congratulate them on a wonderful strategy
Police broke up "at least" 300 house parties across Scotland over the weekend, with 14 arrests being made.
More than 100 fines were issued between Friday and Sunday, with officers having to force entry to three households.
Police Scotland said its analysis suggested house parties were being held "in every community and age group".
Chief Constable Iain Livingstone said most people were following the rules - but "decisive action" would be taken where necessary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54323354
user104658
28-09-2020, 04:11 PM
Police broke up "at least" 300 house parties across Scotland over the weekend, with 14 arrests being made.
More than 100 fines were issued between Friday and Sunday, with officers having to force entry to three households.
Police Scotland said its analysis suggested house parties were being held "in every community and age group".
Chief Constable Iain Livingstone said most people were following the rules - but "decisive action" would be taken where necessary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54323354
I might call 'em on my neighbours for old times sake :joker:
user104658
28-09-2020, 04:12 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/28/14/33720574-0-image-m-1_1601301440185.jpg
The mindset that asks this question is the mindset that sees drinking as an essential on the level of schools and hospitals, rather than as a completely optional leisure activity. Anyone who has that mindset might want to address their casual alcoholism.
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