Coronavirus Outbreak

[bots]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

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yep and hand out fines to those who aren't at their homes in time

[arista]

yep and hand out fines to those who aren't at their homes in time


Yes sad the Youngers out in Paris Streets
last night saying no to Lockdown


Macron hand out Big Fines


Fools.



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Times Radio DAB

[arista]

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[A 'lonely and scared' elderly woman was found
sleeping rough on the streets of
Manchester city centre with only a duvet to keep her warm]


Burnham get that biddie
into a Hotel
send the Bill to London.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8896779/Lonely-scared-elderly-woman-sleeping-Manchester-street-duvet.html

[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

11,141 new cases

250 new hospitalisations (2,385 in total)

37 new on the ICU (in total 567)

87 new deaths

[Kizzy]

West Yorkshire's tier 3 from Monday, so what's the plan when the whole country is tier 3 as it looks like it's going to end up that way soon.
Tier 4? 5? 6?

[The Slim Reaper]

Midlands going t3 next week, too.

[Nicky91]

West Yorkshire's tier 3 from Monday, so what's the plan when the whole country is tier 3 as it looks like it's going to end up that way soon.
Tier 4? 5? 6?

go for a even stricter lockdown than at the first wave

that is another possibility (cause you can't go back to the same lockdown, so if you guys need another one, it needs to be a lot stricter)

and that might be like, only leave your home with a form (paperwork) only for crucial things such as grocery shopping, pharmacy, doctor but other than that no one out on streets who got no specific reason of doing so

that will put an end to illegal partying

and to fight off loneliness, create your own ''socializing bubble'' with family who live with you, socialize at home with them, perhaps a time to dust off old board games, or watch shows on tv together

those who live alone, very much a helpful advice to use facetime, skype maybe 3 or 4 days a week, frequent phone calls with relatives, friends whom you got phone numbers of

#StayHome and lemme use our slogan (translating into english for this forum) #OnlyTogetherWeCanBeatCorona

[bots]

its quite possible that most regions may get to t 3 at some point, but by staggering when they come in and out of it, we stand a chance of keeping the economy going rather than places closing that don't need to

We have 5 months of this to get through yet, we cannot remain shut for 5 months without being bankrupt

[arista]

its quite possible that most regions may get to t 3 at some point, but by staggering when they come in and out of it, we stand a chance of keeping the economy going rather than places closing that don't need to

We have 5 months of this to get through yet, we cannot remain shut for 5 months without being bankrupt


Sure many ways forward,
it is shocking that Nurse staff are still getting infected with
Covid-19.

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

its quite possible that most regions may get to t 3 at some point, but by staggering when they come in and out of it, we stand a chance of keeping the economy going rather than places closing that don't need to

We have 5 months of this to get through yet, we cannot remain shut for 5 months without being bankrupt

I don't understand what you mean by staggering when we come in and out of it, we don't get to choose when we come in and out of it the virus does?

The only places that are not going to be severely impacted are semi rural areas, how are they meant to support the economy?

[bots]

I don't understand what you mean by staggering when we come in and out of it, we don't get to choose when we come in and out of it the virus does?

The only places that are not going to be severely impacted are semi rural areas, how are they meant to support the economy?

not everyone is going in to t3 at the same time .... the time they are in t3 will depend on how quick they get the numbers under control, so regions are staggered in their timing in t3. They are not all going to come out of t3 on March 31st

[Ammi]

Coronavirus: Second wave death toll set to exceed worst-case scenario, Sage warns...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-second-wave-death-toll-155246950.html

[Zizu]

Sure many ways forward,

it is shocking that Nurse staff are still getting infected with

Covid-19.



Plus many care home deaths are supposedly higher than they were at its peak .. it’s bewildering to imagine that happening again !


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[bots]

Coronavirus: Second wave death toll set to exceed worst-case scenario, Sage warns...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-second-wave-death-toll-155246950.html

here is the cheery report ....

Covid is spreading "significantly" faster through England than even the government's predicted "worst-case" scenario, documents reveal.

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) says there are around four times as many people catching Covid than anticipated.

A "reasonable worst-case scenario" is used by officials and the NHS to plan for the months ahead.

It had estimated 85,000 deaths from Covid over the course of winter.

But an official Sage document, dated 14 October and published today, reveals we are in a worse position than expected.

Scientists crunching the numbers estimated that, by mid-October, there were between 43,000 and 74,000 people being infected with coronavirus every day in England.

Their report said: "This is significantly above the profile of the reasonable worst-case scenario, where the number of daily infections in England remained between 12,000-13,000 throughout October."

It added that the number of people with Covid needing hospital care is already higher than the winter plan and deaths will "almost certainly" exceed the plan in the next two weeks.

[Zizu]

Just watching Sky News showing the horrific scenes in Nottingham centre last night where thousands congregated drinking and dancing .. some were even shown going behind the police then knocking their hats off and scarpering .
All faces clear to see not a mask to be seen


We’re doomed .


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[utopianman]

mark drakeford has given up on any subtlety or nuanced approach and said no more local lockdowns , just total wales lockdowns. His reasoning to avoid any confusion. But Cardiffs rate is 15 times that of cardigan per person, as it has been before , surely he needs to treat the 2 places differently doesnt he?
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even if we factor in cardiffs population is about 6 times the size at 478,000 and ceredigion is only 75000

The cardiff rate is still 15 times per person greater than ceredigion

Yet drakeford is treating both areas the same? seems a bit draconian and plain daft

[utopianman]

whats the latest on ventilators? do we have enough

[Zizu]

whats the latest on ventilators? do we have enough



A few months ago I seem to recall the talk was all about not needing ventilation for most cases ... wasn’t there some development in a machine that simply got more oxygen into the system thereby nullifying the need for ventilation ??

It’s all gone quiet on that front for some reason


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[utopianman]

A few months ago I seem to recall the talk was all about not needing ventilation for most cases ... wasn’t there some development in a machine that simply got more oxygen into the system thereby nullifying the need for ventilation ??

It’s all gone quiet on that front for some reason


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very odd , they talk a subject to death a few months ago as you say and now no one mentions it?

also why has no journalist ever asked about shutting down the channel tunnel for all but essential emergencies?

[bots]

we have loads of ventilators and they are indeed not needed as much because of more refined treatment methods. We should also remember that hospitals always fill up in winter with respiratory disease

[utopianman]

Setting up covid quarantine hospitals in these field hospitals is the ONLY way we can survive this covid tidal wave

[arista]

24,405 tested for Covid-19 today

274 have died from Covid-10 today

Patients in hospital
10,708

Patients in ventilator beds
975

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

24,405 tested for Covid-19 today

274 have died from Covid-10 today

Patients in hospital
10,708

Patients in ventilator beds
975

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[utopianman]

24,405 tested for Covid-19 today

274 have died from Covid-10 today

Patients in hospital
10,708

Patients in ventilator beds
975

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


all 10,708 of those badly infected hospitalized covid patients should be in covid quarantine in the field hospitals

[arista]

Midnight Sunday
Belgium goes into Lockdown.

Ref: BBCNewsHD

[Zizu]

all 10,708 of those badly infected hospitalized covid patients should be in covid quarantine in the field hospitals



I thought that would be a given but I heard that all necessary equipment AND the most appropriately qualified staff are all based in hospitals.. to care for ALL emergencies.

Makes you wonder why they haven’t picked /trained specifically trained COVID teams over the last 6 months - it’s not as though it was ever just gonna disappear ..


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[utopianman]

I thought that would be a given but I heard that all necessary equipment AND the most appropriately qualified staff are all based in hospitals.. to care for ALL emergencies.

Makes you wonder why they haven’t picked /trained specifically trained COVID teams over the last 6 months - it’s not as though it was ever just gonna disappear ..


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exactly. if not that what the heck is the point of spending billions and creating 45000 new beds 30,000 new nurses/doctors and a million volunteers?

[Kizzy]

Well well well...

"The empirical estimates suggest that the scheme may be responsible for around 8-17% of all new detected Covid-19 clusters (at least two new infections in the same area) emerging during August and into early September in the UK,” Fetzer concludes.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/30/treasury-rejects-theory-eat-out-to-help-out-caused-rise-in-covid

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Johnson Prime Minister
has a new announcement on Monday
hence, all these Front pages.

[MTVN]

Well well well...

"The empirical estimates suggest that the scheme may be responsible for around 8-17% of all new detected Covid-19 clusters (at least two new infections in the same area) emerging during August and into early September in the UK,” Fetzer concludes.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/30/treasury-rejects-theory-eat-out-to-help-out-caused-rise-in-covid

Fetzer used rainfall to try to estimate whether the increase was caused by the programme. He found that in areas that had a lot of rain during lunch and dinner hours on Mondays to Wednesday that month, fewer people ate out and fewer people were infected. The same pattern was not visible if it rained on other days of the week, suggesting that the scheme itself was directly responsible for the increase in infections.

An estimate based solely on rainfall :umm2:

[arista]

[Covid: Birmingham shisha cafe shut down after second breach

Police have closed a shisha cafe after finding about
150 people inside, days after the venue was hit
with a £10,000 fine for Covid-19 breaches.
Officers forced their way in to Kasablanca in
the Highgate area of Birmingham
at 01:00 BST on 24 October.

Video posted on YouTube shows officers
forcing entry to the smokers' lounge on Moseley Street,
with shrieks audible as they disperse the crowds.
The venue had broken restrictions
earlier this month, police said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54754841




Double the Fines

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Not saving Christmas, as if it’s going to be anything near normal :skull:

[arista]

Not saving Christmas, as if it’s going to be anything near normal :skull:


Test and Trace failed to reach its target.
So we have no solid data.

[Cherie]

[Covid: Birmingham shisha cafe shut down after second breach

Police have closed a shisha cafe after finding about
150 people inside, days after the venue was hit
with a £10,000 fine for Covid-19 breaches.
Officers forced their way in to Kasablanca in
the Highgate area of Birmingham
at 01:00 BST on 24 October.

Video posted on YouTube shows officers
forcing entry to the smokers' lounge on Moseley Street,
with shrieks audible as they disperse the crowds.
The venue had broken restrictions
earlier this month, police said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54754841




Double the Fines


:skull:

[thesheriff443]

Not saving Christmas, as if it’s going to be anything near normal :skull:

Christmas is overrated, basically one day of nonsense.

[bots]

While some are still ignoring the guidelines, the vast majority are complying. What this implies to me is that the virus remains airborne for a while so that the social distancing of 2 metres is less effective. If the virus remains airborne for say 15 or even 30 mins then you could catch it by walking in to an infected "pocket" even if you do stick to the 2 metre distancing. Something like this must be happening for the rate to be increasing as it is.

[Nicky91]

no lockdown for netherlands, our PM Rutte has said it isn't necessary yet, despite numbers still going up

[Cherie]

While some are still ignoring the guidelines, the vast majority are complying. What this implies to me is that the virus remains airborne for a while so that the social distancing of 2 metres is less effective. If the virus remains airborne for say 15 or even 30 mins then you could catch it by walking in to an infected "pocket" even if you do stick to the 2 metre distancing. Something like this must be happening for the rate to be increasing as it is.

Doesn’t the science say you have to be in the presence of someone for 15 minutes. This is being spread indoors in homes and businesses like the one above who are flouting the law ..150 people smoking shisha? ..how many businesses are going undetected

[Nicky91]

Boris the cowardly rat, stick to your initial tiers system :idc:

[Cherie]

Christmas is overrated, basically one day of nonsense.

I agree! My point is its irresponsible to imply it will be anywhere near ‘normal’

[Cherie]

Boris the cowardly rat, stick to your initial tiers system :idc:

I hope he does :worry:

[Nicky91]

I hope he does :worry:

corona is only deadly to old people, so still a lot of panic over nothing

lockdowns aren't necessary if you see ICU's still can handle it, what my country's health minister De Jonge said, hence why we are not going for another lockdown yet


tbh ICU's are the more serious cases so if you see that one is flattening down in daily numbers that is good

[bots]

i think our government should be flexible enough to alter its plans where necessary to do whats best for the country. I don't care if it branded a u turn or whatever. If the spread of the virus means that a broader system becomes appropriate then do it.

There is only one message anyway whatever restrictions are in place .... social distance, hardly difficult to understand

[thesheriff443]

I agree! My point is its irresponsible to imply it will be anywhere near ‘normal’

People will still be doing the same old crap, probably going further by saying let’s make this Christmas one to remember apart from all those people that have died from Covid and who’s seat will be empty.

[Ammi]

i think our government should be flexible enough to alter its plans where necessary to do whats best for the country. I don't care if it branded a u turn or whatever. If the spread of the virus means that a broader system becomes appropriate then do it.

There is only one message anyway whatever restrictions are in place .... social distance, hardly difficult to understand

...no the social distance or ‘space’ part of the slogan isn’t difficult to understand...but it can be difficult to maintain and practice in supermarkets for instance...in ours anyway, the space was maintained through restricted number of people in store at one time...?..but now with mask wearing, the restricted number is no longer applied...and in a busy supermarket, maintaining space is becoming more and more difficult...

[user104658]

While some are still ignoring the guidelines, the vast majority are complying. What this implies to me is that the virus remains airborne for a while so that the social distancing of 2 metres is less effective. If the virus remains airborne for say 15 or even 30 mins then you could catch it by walking in to an infected "pocket" even if you do stick to the 2 metre distancing. Something like this must be happening for the rate to be increasing as it is.

This isn't March-April, they know the physical properties of the virus and how it spreads fairly robustly at this point. It isn't secretly airborne.

Also, Scotland's numbers are levelling off whilst England's continue to increase which means, essentially, that the Scottish central belt restrictions had a significant effect on the spread.

[arista]

Look at the amount of places in England getting,
Fined.

Public ignoring Social Distancing
Piss heads

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/31/09/article-8898985-35071368-161_964x544.jpg

[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html

[arista]

Johnson PM has NOW
ordered an Afternoon Cabinet. Downing St.

Not usual on a Saturday
so many in the press are saying possible Lockdown sooner?



SkyNewsHD / LBC

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/31/04/35063326-8898985-The_Government_s_SAGE_advisers_released_papers_yes terday_evening-a-23_1604118934070.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html

At this stage most people should be able to adapt their own behaviour not be forced to do it :idc:

[Vanessa]

I think a lockdown is needed, otherwise the NHS will be overwhelmed.
Unfortunately until they find a vaccine, we will have to have lockdowns to bring numbers down.

[arista]

I think a lockdown is needed, otherwise the NHS will be overwhelmed.
Unfortunately until they find a vaccine, we will have to have lockdowns to bring numbers down.


Looks like it could change
as Cabinet Meeting today on Saturday
is rare.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

I think a lockdown is needed, otherwise the NHS will be overwhelmed.
Unfortunately until they find a vaccine, we will have to have lockdowns to bring numbers down.

Could all be avoided if people actually socially distanced

[arista]

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[Zizu]

[Covid: Birmingham shisha cafe shut down after second breach

Police have closed a shisha cafe after finding about
150 people inside, days after the venue was hit
with a £10,000 fine for Covid-19 breaches.
Officers forced their way in to Kasablanca in
the Highgate area of Birmingham
at 01:00 BST on 24 October.

Video posted on YouTube shows officers
forcing entry to the smokers' lounge on Moseley Street,
with shrieks audible as they disperse the crowds.
The venue had broken restrictions
earlier this month, police said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54754841




Double the Fines



Take their licence to trade away - permanently with a huge fine .

Sadly the owners / money men will always find away around things but it would at least make things uncomfortable for them .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

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For England ONLY

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Zizu]

While some are still ignoring the guidelines, the vast majority are complying. What this implies to me is that the virus remains airborne for a while so that the social distancing of 2 metres is less effective. If the virus remains airborne for say 15 or even 30 mins then you could catch it by walking in to an infected "pocket" even if you do stick to the 2 metre distancing. Something like this must be happening for the rate to be increasing as it is.



That was the theory I was sharing around back in March ... when scientists abroad said the virus particles travelled up to 13’ in the air and could remain airborne for up to 15 minutes...


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[arista]

For England ONLY


So Far
on Monday
it could be Scotland
as well in the National 4 week Lockdown

[Zizu]

i think our government should be flexible enough to alter its plans where necessary to do whats best for the country. I don't care if it branded a u turn or whatever. If the spread of the virus means that a broader system becomes appropriate then do it.



There is only one message anyway whatever restrictions are in place .... social distance, hardly difficult to understand



Well there’s been many , many u-turns made by Boris thus far ... all criticised


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[Zizu]

This isn't March-April, they know the physical properties of the virus and how it spreads fairly robustly at this point. It isn't secretly airborne.



Also, Scotland's numbers are levelling off whilst England's continue to increase which means, essentially, that the Scottish central belt restrictions had a significant effect on the spread.



Nobody seems to know much about the virus at all it seems ...


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[AnnieK]

I know that there is a massive worry about the NHS but it seems like this lockdown is another knee jerk. Surely we will not have seen full results yet of the Tier systems yet. The R rate is dropping again and so surely case numbers will follow suit and anyone who is now infected will end up in hospital whether we are locked down or not. We don't seem to be giving anything a chance to see if its working

[smudgie]

If there is a national lockdown then the schools and universities should shut as well.
Perhaps public information adverts on telly showing people that 2 metres is just over the length of a bed rather than the less than 2ft you see all those numpties out in public seem to think it is.

[bots]

the fixation with keeping schools and universities open when they seem to be directly responsible for the uptick in infections is beyond me

[The Slim Reaper]

the fixation with keeping schools and universities open when they seem to be directly responsible for the uptick in infections is beyond me

Universities is the craziest one, and was done to protect landlords. Eat out to help out responsible for 1/5 of the spike according to studies, shaming people back into offices whilst cutting financial support. All crazy decsions taken as a reaction rather than working with the scientists.

12b on serco track and trace that isn't working, as medical professionals have been replaced by regular folks so serco can increase profits. Cronyism is killing people.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not much of a technology person, but why is track and trace a)so expensive and b)such a failure?

Like, surely everything needed to make it work -location tracking and/or check-ins, the ability to "update status" of covid, and cross-referencing these- already exists? Why is it so hard to string them together? Surely someone taking a computing or coding course at university could make something workable for a fraction of the cost... Or heck, give those billions to a (/group of) student(/s) if it gets the job done. It'd certainly make more of a difference than flushing it away into some faceless company.

But like I side, I'm not a computer person. ICT is something you get from Costa.

[Strictly Jake]

Well I guess it means I will be going to work at uni while everyone else is off. Yey.

[AnnieK]

I've only gone back to work this week, gonna be so pissed off if I can't work again

[Nicky91]

If there is a national lockdown then the schools and universities should shut as well.
Perhaps public information adverts on telly showing people that 2 metres is just over the length of a bed rather than the less than 2ft you see all those numpties out in public seem to think it is.

No since in Germany they went into lockdown again (because of really bad regional outbreaks, and if you don't act quickly it will turn out for the worse)

but schools and day care centres remain open under strict mask requirement rules, if they do not obey these rules, they must still close

[bots]

if i had under estimated a worse case scenario by 4 times in a normal job, i would have been sacked, no ifs or buts. So why aren't heads rolling on this. People have clearly ****ed up big time with their planning and estimation. It's not like we didnt have experience from March

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not much of a technology person, but why is track and trace a)so expensive and b)such a failure?

Like, surely everything needed to make it work -location tracking and/or check-ins, the ability to "update status" of covid, and cross-referencing these- already exists? Why is it so hard to string them together? Surely someone taking a computing or coding course at university could make something workable for a fraction of the cost... Or heck, give those billions to a (/group of) student(/s) if it gets the job done. It'd certainly make more of a difference than flushing it away into some faceless company.

But like I side, I'm not a computer person. ICT is something you get from Costa.

Because they took it away from the nhs, who already ran successful track and trace schemes before covid existed, and gave it to a private company who see it as a way to make money rather than do the service it was intended to do. On top of that, they put friends in charge (dido harding - husband of tory minister), rather than experts, just like everything else this gov does.

[arista]

I've only gone back to work this week, gonna be so pissed off if I can't work again


Yes not nice for you

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Boris is walking after Brexit. He's shown what a natural coward he is by the way he's hiding through this crisis rather than leading.

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[user104658]

Because they took it away from the nhs, who already ran successful track and trace schemes before covid existed, and gave it to a private company who see it as a way to make money rather than do the service it was intended to do. On top of that, they put friends in charge (dido harding - husband of tory minister), rather than experts, just like everything else this gov does.

Indeed - it was originally the case that T&T managers were to be band 6 NHS nurses at minimum. Obviously not manning every phone, but running the service. When it was handed out to contractors though, instead it has been kids in their late teens and early 20's hired based on call centre experience and not trained in the slightest to handle the challenges presented by track and trace. Also paid half the wage of course, as an experienced band 6 nurse will be on £40k.

[user104658]

Boris is walking after Brexit. He's shown what a natural coward he is by the way he's hiding through this crisis rather than leading.

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I think he planned to anyway. I think a short stint as PM and "getting bwexit dun" was going to be the cherry on top of his political career and he would have semi-retired to the back benches/journalism. That was his plan for 2020.

Then SURPRIIIISE!! Covid time. :hehe:

[The Slim Reaper]

I think he planned to anyway. I think a short stint as PM and "getting bwexit dun" was going to be the cherry on top of his political career and he would have semi-retired to the back benches/journalism. That was his plan for 2020.

Then SURPRIIIISE!! Covid time. :hehe:

There were definitely whispers about this from just after the election. He definitely won't want to be PM when food/medicine shortages potentially hit, and nothing is getting through customs as Kent is one big lorry park. I think he saw it as the perfect opportunity to walk off as the hero that delivered it. not be accountable for the impending clusterfcuk.

[user104658]

So Far
on Monday
it could be Scotland
as well in the National 4 week Lockdown

From what I'm hearing today, the numbers in Scotland wouldn't necessarily require lockdown, however if Westminster is only going to fund support packages at this time, Scotland won't have the option of doing it later so might have to go ahead at the same time. This is because HMRC etc is Westminster based and the transition of Social Security (benefits) to Scotland is in process but far from complete (Universal Credit still handled centrally in England). Financially complicated and yet another example of why independence or at least full devolution is the only sensible option for Scotland in the 21st century.

[Cherie]

I know that there is a massive worry about the NHS but it seems like this lockdown is another knee jerk. Surely we will not have seen full results yet of the Tier systems yet. The R rate is dropping again and so surely case numbers will follow suit and anyone who is now infected will end up in hospital whether we are locked down or not. We don't seem to be giving anything a chance to see if its working

Exactly, and on top of that people who are actually following the guidelines will throw caution to the wind in December if lockdown is the answer, may as well have a good time eh :shrug:

[Nicky91]

Exactly, and on top of that people who are actually following the guidelines will throw caution to the wind in December if lockdown is the answer, may as well have a good time eh :shrug:

people need to boycott this lockdown as well

drive those governments in a corner, get rid of the dictator Boris Johnson

[arista]

From what I'm hearing today, the numbers in Scotland wouldn't necessarily require lockdown, however if Westminster is only going to fund support packages at this time, Scotland won't have the option of doing it later so might have to go ahead at the same time. This is because HMRC etc is Westminster based and the transition of Social Security (benefits) to Scotland is in process but far from complete (Universal Credit still handled centrally in England). Financially complicated and yet another example of why independence or at least full devolution is the only sensible option for Scotland in the 21st century.


No
in the Next 4 years you ain't getting it.

Our Prime Minister is not permitting the Cocky Scotts
their wish.

Up Yours

[Cherie]

people need to boycott this lockdown as well

drive those governments in a corner, get rid of the dictator Boris Johnson

If he blocks off the Home aisle in Sainsburys I will be doing just that :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

Exactly, and on top of that people who are actually following the guidelines will throw caution to the wind in December if lockdown is the answer, may as well have a good time eh :shrug:

Obviously people are responsible for their own actions, but you must see that the tide turned with doms eye test and the way the tories protected him, then the gov scrapped shielding which then allowed employers to force the vulnerable back into work, then we had pint with a pie, eat out to help out, Boris shaming people back into workspaces etc.

One of the biggest rises in hospitalisations at the moment are 17-40 yr old women, who are massively represented in the hospitality industry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

so far
on monday
it could be scotland
as well in the national 4 week lockdown

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[Cherie]

Obviously people are responsible for their own actions, but you must see that the tide turned with doms eye test and the way the tories protected him, then the gov scrapped shielding which then allowed employers to force the vulnerable back into work, then we had pint with a pie, eat out to help out, Boris shaming people back into workspaces etc.

One of the biggest rises in hospitalisations at the moment are 17-40 yr old women, who are massively represented in the hospitality industry.

Yes of course I can, however the tide was turning even before Doms eye test, look at Europe they don’t have Dom to blame or eat out, if they were the only factors the UK would be the only European country to be struggling, eat out ended in August two months ago infection should have peaked 3rd week of September, if you end up hospitalised 3 weeks after getting infected? I dont know any office workers that went back to work full time, do you? The pubs in the Republic opened in September and closed two weeks later, was the virus circulating in empty pubs?

I didn’t agree with shielding being scrapped btw

[Crimson Dynamo]

From what I'm hearing today, the numbers in Scotland wouldn't necessarily require lockdown, however if Westminster is only going to fund support packages at this time, Scotland won't have the option of doing it later so might have to go ahead at the same time. This is because HMRC etc is Westminster based and the transition of Social Security (benefits) to Scotland is in process but far from complete (Universal Credit still handled centrally in England). Financially complicated and yet another example of why independence or at least full devolution is the only sensible option for Scotland in the 21st century.

our measures are working well

[Zizu]

the fixation with keeping schools and universities open when they seem to be directly responsible for the uptick in infections is beyond me



‘ the economy’ . ..


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[The Slim Reaper]

Yes of course I can, however the tide was turning even before Doms eye test, look at Europe they don’t have Dom to blame or eat out, if they were the only factors the UK would be the only European country to be struggling, eat out ended in August two months ago infection should have peaked 3rd week of September, if you end up hospitalised 3 weeks after getting infected? I dont know any office workers that went back to work full time, do you? The pubs in the Republic opened in September and closed two weeks later, was the virus circulating in empty pubs?

If asymptomatic spreading wasn't a thing, and the government wasn't ignoring the advice from scientists then yeah, you may have a point.

As soon as dom happened we went from stay home, to stay alert instantly. Before the rules changed the gov were constantly leaking potential end dates of lockdown to journalists which gave people the confidence that life was coming back. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

Sage have been warning the gov this was about to happen, and the initial lockdown was supposed to buy us time to get t&t working and get an action plan in place. Boris went on another holiday then has been hiding again ever since. Sage wanted the circuit breaker in Sep, the gov knew better.

[Zizu]

I'm not much of a technology person, but why is track and trace a)so expensive and b)such a failure?

Like, surely everything needed to make it work -location tracking and/or check-ins, the ability to "update status" of covid, and cross-referencing these- already exists? Why is it so hard to string them together? Surely someone taking a computing or coding course at university could make something workable for a fraction of the cost... Or heck, give those billions to a (/group of) student(/s) if it gets the job done. It'd certainly make more of a difference than flushing it away into some faceless company.

But like I side, I'm not a computer person. ICT is something you get from Costa.



That’s my take on things as well .

Seems easy enough to look at all the other systems around the world .. select the best/most appropriate then either copy it or pay for their blueprint/template ..




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[Zizu]

Well I guess it means I will be going to work at uni while everyone else is off. Yey.



High school for me on Monday ...

1,500 of us in a huge contaminated , incubated bubble :(


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[Zizu]

Because they took it away from the nhs, who already ran successful track and trace schemes before covid existed, and gave it to a private company who see it as a way to make money rather than do the service it was intended to do. On top of that, they put friends in charge (dido harding - husband of tory minister), rather than experts, just like everything else this gov does.



To be fair ALL governments are simply jobs for the boys ...


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[bots]

Boris is holding a news conference at 4pm

[Zizu]

people need to boycott this lockdown as well



drive those governments in a corner, get rid of the dictator Boris Johnson



What and put Starmer in charge...

I’d rather have a panel of scientists / medics/ financiers in charge .


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[The Slim Reaper]

To be fair ALL governments are simply jobs for the boys ...


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Not really to this extent, and certainly not in the middle of a pandemic, using the public health crisis specifically to enrich their friends.

Just to point out the obvious, there is no way Corbyn would have done that.

[Cherie]

If asymptomatic spreading wasn't a thing, and the government wasn't ignoring the advice from scientists then yeah, you may have a point.

As soon as dom happened we went from stay home, to stay alert instantly. Before the rules changed the gov were constantly leaking potential end dates of lockdown to journalists which gave people the confidence that life was coming back. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

Sage have been warning the gov this was about to happen, and the initial lockdown was supposed to buy us time to get t&t working and get an action plan in place. Boris went on another holiday then has been hiding again ever since. Sage wanted the circuit breaker in Sep, the gov knew better.

Asymptomatic should not be an issue if people social distance, treat everyone as riddled :laugh: Track and trace is a joke and Dido Harding should be sacked, but there is a stat that just 17 per cent of people isolated for the full 14 days when contacted anyway, :shrug: We can talk about how poorly the government have dealt with this, but the real losers are families who have lost loved one too soon, and the general public when businesses go under left right and centre

[Ammi]

Boris is holding a news conference at 4pm

...here we go...

[user104658]

our measures are working well

I think our level 3 (in the 5 level 0 - 4 tier system) has proven to be a good compromise for most well-populated areas, with level 2 working well in rural areas. Fairly robust measures but not full lockdown. Central belt (3/4 of the entire population) has been on Level 3 for a while and rates seem to be coming down well, suggesting that it's a good middle ground :shrug:.

[arista]

Boris is holding a news conference at 4pm


Yes with his 2 helpers


Monday could be all change.

[Oliver_W]

What and put Starmer in charge...

I’d rather have a panel of scientists / medics/ financiers in charge .


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Why would ditching BoJo mean Sir Kier would replace him? There'd be another Tory leadership vote.

[The Slim Reaper]

Asymptomatic should not be an issue if people social distance, treat everyone as riddled :laugh: Track and trace is a joke and Dido Harding should be sacked, but there is a stat that just 17 per cent of people isolated for the full 14 days when contacted anyway, :shrug: We can talk about how poorly the government have dealt with this, but the real losers are families who have lost loved one too soon, and the general public when businesses go under left right and centre

I agree here, however we know people are lemmings that follow leaders. That's not meant to disparage anyone, it's just how we are as a species. Even the isolation policies weren't enforced. Take farage, he went over to the us during their first wave, then he came back here and a couple of days later was back on TV being interviewed about chasing refugees across the channel.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think our level 3 (in the 5 level 0 - 4 tier system) has proven to be a good compromise for most well-populated areas, with level 2 working well in rural areas. Fairly robust measures but not full lockdown. Central belt (3/4 of the entire population) has been on Level 3 for a while and rates seem to be coming down well, suggesting that it's a good middle ground :shrug:.

yes we are level 2 and the scottish graph is now levelling. We are coping and long may it continue

[The Slim Reaper]

Boris is holding a news conference at 4pm

First it was 1, then 1.30, and now 4? Get the waster out of bed fgs.

[bots]

First it was 1, then 1.30, and now 4? Get the waster out of bed fgs.

that was a cabinet meeting, this is addressing the public :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The TL went for her flu jab there and the lady who was in front of her said to the Nurse:

"Ah tested positive for COvid yesterday can I still get ma jab?"

no word of a lie :facepalm:

Luckily this was outside and the lady was wearing a mask and 2m away

she was sternly told to go home and isolate

[arista]

First it was 1, then 1.30, and now 4? Get the waster out of bed fgs.


It is 1:30pm for the Cabinet Meeting, silly slim

4PM or later for Johnson and his 2 helpers Live

[Zizu]

Not really to this extent, and certainly not in the middle of a pandemic, using the public health crisis specifically to enrich their friends.

Just to point out the obvious, there is no way Corbyn would have done that.



Please ... not Corbyn .. we are all suffering enough ... let it go


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[Zizu]

Why would ditching BoJo mean Sir Kier would replace him? There'd be another Tory leadership vote.



Fair point ... but who


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[The Slim Reaper]

Please ... not Corbyn .. we are all suffering enough ... let it go


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You're right, who needed a leader to genuinely care when there are contracts to dish out to donors.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

PM is now live at 5PM
as he is now in his Cabinet Meeting


Ref: Times Radio DAB

[DouglasS]

Better not be another full lockdown

[Samm]

A big round of applause to people who voted these ridiculous baboons in office

[bots]

A big round of applause to people who voted these ridiculous baboons in office

try blaming the people not social distancing, they are the real problem

[arista]

Better not be another full lockdown


Monday it will be Voted on in Parliament

[DouglasS]

A big round of applause to people who voted these ridiculous baboons in office

I don’t see how covid is solely a Tory problem when it’s a problem Around Europe, and tonnes of European countries are going into lockdowns...

[arista]

A big round of applause to people who voted these ridiculous baboons in office

They were not going to vote for Corbyn,
thats a fact.

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

9,839 new cases (1,288 less than yesterday)

314 new hospitalisations

76 new ICU patients

51 new deaths

[Nicky91]

I don’t see how covid is solely a Tory problem when it’s a problem Around Europe, and tonnes of European countries are going into lockdowns...

yes all stupid european countries :fan:

[DouglasS]

Looks like the Chinese virus is here to cause more problems

[Nicky91]

Looks like the Chinese virus is here to cause more problems

yet in Asia it is going well :flutter:, oh wait you guys don't believe them so i won't bother that information then anymore

[Dogeatdog]

https://i.ibb.co/pyvnzNV/B60-EC37-C-C2-A8-4-CBB-943-C-7-CA555-D379-DE.jpg

[The Slim Reaper]

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Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol. President of Epidemiology & PH, Royal Society of Medicine. Member of
@IndependentSage

[arista]

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Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol. President of Epidemiology & PH, Royal Society of Medicine. Member of
@IndependentSage


Yes he was good on
NewsnightHD last night BBC2

[Ammi]

https://i.ibb.co/pyvnzNV/B60-EC37-C-C2-A8-4-CBB-943-C-7-CA555-D379-DE.jpg

....cos R rate is higher...?...

[arista]

....cos R rate is higher...?...


Yes Lady.

[Dogeatdog]

....cos R rate is higher...?...

:laugh:

[Josy]

A big round of applause to people who voted these ridiculous baboons in officeThe people that are unable to use basic common sense are the problem

[bots]

But the R rate has come down across the UK in the last week and in March it was 3, more than double what it is now .... so someone isn't giving us the right figures

[The Slim Reaper]

The people that are unable to use basic common sense are the problem

I disagree here. In no other area of public life do we leave danger up to common sense, otherwise we wouldn't have drink driving or seatbelt laws.

[bots]

I disagree here. In no other area of public life do we leave danger up to common sense, otherwise we wouldn't have drink driving or seatbelt laws.

do we have police monitoring people in their homes in case they stick a fork in the power socket?

[Josy]

I disagree here. In no other area of public life do we leave danger up to common sense, otherwise we wouldn't have drink driving or seatbelt laws.I dont think those comparisons are good examples here, the main difference being that this ongoing situation is unprecedented there were no laws or rule books on how to go forward with it and most countries governments are doing similar to the UK so bringing up people who voted in the tories is a pretty moot point in this thread

Thinking people would apply basic common sense in regards to this situation is a pretty fair expectation IMO

[Strictly Jake]

How will this impact shows that have come back like strictly, im a celeb etc?

Also can they even call it a lockdown when schools are still open, all those parents that will be taking their kids to school etc

But then I suppose at least the children will get fed at school so thats a plus I suppose

[arista]

How will this impact shows that have come back like strictly, im a celeb etc?

Also can they even call it a lockdown when schools are still open, all those parents that will be taking their kids to school etc

But then I suppose at least the children will get fed at school so thats a plus I suppose


Yes
Other Zones are doing just that.

[The Slim Reaper]

do we have police monitoring people in their homes in case they stick a fork in the power socket?

Now this is a bad comparison :smug:

I dont think those comparisons are good examples here, the main difference being that this ongoing situation is unprecedented there were no laws or rule books on how to go forward with it and most countries governments are doing similar to the UK so bringing up people who voted in the tories is a pretty moot point in this thread

Thinking people would apply basic common sense in regards to this situation is a pretty fair expectation IMO

I agree that comparisons aren't good examples when it comes to a pandemic, but I only used them to show we don't actually do this in any other area of life.

I disagree about the tories point though, because they've demonstrated over and over again their unwillingness to actually follow independent advice, and instead they've used the pandemic as an excuse to give money to their friends, which shows their focus has been on completely the wrong things.

I say this with vulnerable people in my family. I planned to go and spend a few days with my folks a couple of weeks ago, so I isolated to make sure I was clear as my ma will die if she gets it (COPD). As it turned out they had stuff they needed to do so I ended up isolating for 2 weeks, just to go and have lunch with them.

I'm fortunate that I was able to do that in the first place, but when impositions are being put on peoples lives, there is a need to mandate things, because I'd wager most people will subscribe to the "just this once won't hurt" practice, then once they were safe that once, the floodgates are open.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/31/11/35072746-8898985-image-a-13_1604142376665.jpg

Madame You can still Shop under Lockdown
Greedy Bitch

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/31/05/35050626-8898985-_There_were_many_of_them_but_I_want_to_nominate_tw o_nurses_in_pa-a-27_1604122453968.jpg


Look you Scottish
Angry Folk


You will be under a Lockdown with us (Via your new Tiers 5)

[Liam-]

If only we could have foreseen the massive second wave forcing people back to work, encouraging people to dine out for half the cost to help the economy and forcing people back to school and university would have caused, who could have predicted that?

[Ammi]

If only we could have foreseen the massive second wave forcing people back to work, encouraging people to dine out for half the cost to help the economy and forcing people back to school and university would have caused, who could have predicted that?

https://media.giphy.com/media/j0GW2I35KnU5e5BT7L/giphy.gif

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElqF6woXIAUaGL6?format=jpg&name=small

For Slim

[Josy]

Now this is a bad comparison :smug:



I agree that comparisons aren't good examples when it comes to a pandemic, but I only used them to show we don't actually do this in any other area of life.

I disagree about the tories point though, because they've demonstrated over and over again their unwillingness to actually follow independent advice, and instead they've used the pandemic as an excuse to give money to their friends, which shows their focus has been on completely the wrong things.

I say this with vulnerable people in my family. I planned to go and spend a few days with my folks a couple of weeks ago, so I isolated to make sure I was clear as my ma will die if she gets it (COPD). As it turned out they had stuff they needed to do so I ended up isolating for 2 weeks, just to go and have lunch with them.

I'm fortunate that I was able to do that in the first place, but when impositions are being put on peoples lives, there is a need to mandate things, because I'd wager most people will subscribe to the "just this once won't hurt" practice, then once they were safe that once, the floodgates are open.I like to think I'm pretty far away from being a fan of the Tories so I'm not defending them as such but I do stand by my opinion that bringing up people that voted for them in this thread is pointless as most governments are doing the same thing right now and giving out guidelines which if the public apply common sense to and follow it will ensure ourselves and our families safety.

In all honestly I believe leaders of all the countries are in a no win situation during this pandemic, if they lockdown, give guidelines to follow, hand out fines threaten harsher punishment etc then they are accused of ruining the economy and infringing on human rights if they dont do the stuff mentioned above they are accused of not caring and putting people at risk of dying.

[Glenn.]

I like to think I'm pretty far away from being a fan of the Tories so I'm not defending them as such but I do stand by my opinion that bringing up people that voted for them in this thread is pointless as most governments are doing the same thing right now and giving out guidelines which if the public apply common sense to and follow it will ensure ourselves and our families safety.

In all honestly I believe leaders of all the countries are in a no win situation during this pandemic, if they lockdown, give guidelines to follow, hand out fines threaten harsher punishment etc then they are accused of ruining the economy and infringing on human rights if they dont do the stuff mentioned above they are accused of not caring and putting people at risk of dying.

Jacinda Ardern says hi

[Cherie]

I like to think I'm pretty far away from being a fan of the Tories so I'm not defending them as such but I do stand by my opinion that bringing up people that voted for them in this thread is pointless as most governments are doing the same thing right now and giving out guidelines which if the public apply common sense to and follow it will ensure ourselves and our families safety.

In all honestly I believe leaders of all the countries are in a no win situation during this pandemic, if they lockdown, give guidelines to follow, hand out fines threaten harsher punishment etc then they are accused of ruining the economy and infringing on human rights if they dont do the stuff mentioned above they are accused of not caring and putting people at risk of dying.

Agree with you Josy, I think people want a solution handed to them, but are ignoring the fact that the solution is in their own hands, some people just won’t give up their freedoms, and that’s fine but this is where following that train of thought ends ...lockdown for everyone

It wont surprise me if this turns ugly this time round

[The Slim Reaper]

I like to think I'm pretty far away from being a fan of the Tories so I'm not defending them as such but I do stand by my opinion that bringing up people that voted for them in this thread is pointless as most governments are doing the same thing right now and giving out guidelines which if the public apply common sense to and follow it will ensure ourselves and our families safety.

In all honestly I believe leaders of all the countries are in a no win situation during this pandemic, if they lockdown, give guidelines to follow, hand out fines threaten harsher punishment etc then they are accused of ruining the economy and infringing on human rights if they dont do the stuff mentioned above they are accused of not caring and putting people at risk of dying.

That's fair even though I mostly disagree. I do think that a bit of a myth has popped up about economy versus people though, as though they aren't now and won't forever be inextricably linked.

[Ammi]

Teaching union calls for schools to close

The National Education Union (NEU) has called for schools and colleges to be included in any lockdown.

The Union says schools should only remain open to vulnerable children and those of key workers during such a general closure period. Boris Johnson is expected to say that schools, universities and colleges should remain open in a four-week lockdown.

Kevin Courtney, the joint general secretary of the NEU, said:

It is clear from ONS data that schools are an engine for virus transmission. It would be self-defeating for the government to impose a national lockdown, whilst ignoring the role of schools as a major contributor to the spread of the virus.

Such a lockdown would impose pain on the whole community - but not be as effective as it could be if schools were included. Ignoring the role of schools and colleges in the spread of the virus is likely to lead to the need for even longer lockdowns in future.

The latest figures from the ONS estimate that 1% of primary pupils and 2% of secondary pupils have the virus and that these levels have increased dramatically since wider opening in September. NEU analysis of ONS figures shows that virus levels are now 9 times higher amongst primary pupils and an astonishing 50 times higher amongst secondary pupils.

The National Education Union called for a two week circuit break over half term to include schools, which the Wales Government and the Northern Ireland assembly have done - but the Government in Westminster has ignored this call. More severe measures are now called for as a result, the Government should not make this mistake again.

The government should include all schools in proposals for an immediate national lockdown and as a minimum be preparing for school rotas at the end of that period, including by actually meeting its promise to deliver broadband and equipment to those children who do not have them.

It is also vital that the government ensure proper financial support for all those affected by lockdown including crucial supply teachers and other staff.

[Ammi]

Universities must move all non-essential teaching online if England goes into another national lockdown, a union has said.

The University and College Union (UCU) said it would be “incomprehensible” if teaching continued in person if England is put under tighter restrictions from next week as expected.

Figures put together by the union suggest that there have been more than 35,000 cases on campuses since term started last month.

The UCU general secretary, Jo Grady, said:

The health and safety of the country is being put at risk because of this government’s insistence that universities must continue with in-person teaching.

It would be incomprehensible if universities were allowed to continue to do this after the outbreaks we have seen on campuses across the country this term.

Ministers must tell universities to move all non-essential in-person teaching online as part of any national lockdown.

The union has been campaigning for a complete shift online for some time, and previously launched a petition demanding that the switch be made “where possible”.

It is thought that education settings will be told they can remain open if another lockdown is announced.

[Ammi]

Local and regional and authorities across the UK are sending out different messages over Halloween celebrations tonight.

In some places, notably Scotland and tier 3 areas on England, trick-or-treating is being actively discouraged.

In other areas parents and children are being urged to respect their neighbours.

[arista]

Local and regional and authorities across the UK are sending out different messages over Halloween celebrations tonight.

In some places, notably Scotland and tier 3 areas on England, trick-or-treating is being actively discouraged.

In other areas parents and children are being urged to respect their neighbours.


Forget all the tiers

We will be in a National Lockdown
Lady

[Ammi]

Forget all the tiers

We will be in a National Lockdown
Lady

...we won’t be in National lockdown today for Halloween, Arista...there is no National guidance for that...each local authority are issuing their own guidelines...the National lockdown will begin on Wednesday, I think...

[arista]

On Twitter

They are all going potty

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elqg4uSWMAEJwYA?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

...we won’t be in National lockdown today for Halloween, Arista...there is no National guidance for that...each local authority are issuing their own guidelines...the National lockdown will begin on Wednesday, I think...


Sure could be Weds.

Today we Find out from The Prime minister around 5PM
what is the rush...................

BBC1HD 4:30PM
SkyNewsHD now
Times Radio DAB
LBC

[The Slim Reaper]

And here we are again, a government governing by leaks. Click on the tweet if you want to read all of the measures being introduced.

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[arista]

1322569018784550912


We need this

[arista]

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[arista]

Scotland goes into 5 Tiers on Monday

Not part of the England Lockdown month

[Kate!]

The*Prime Minister*is set to announce a month long Tier 4 arrangement for England at 5pm, according to ITV.

All*pubs and restaurants*will close, although takeaway services will carry on and supermarkets will stay open.

The Prime Minister is set to make a major announcement on*coronavirus*at 5pm today.

The Tier 4 rules will take force from one minute past midnight on Thursday.

All non-essential retail outlets will be forced to close, and there will no social mixing inside homes with exceptions for childcare and other essential support.

[arista]

326 Died today

Patients in hospital
10,918

Patients in ventilator beds
978


21,915 New Cases of Covid-19

46,555 Total Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Smithy]

Conference is at 6:30 not 5 now

[arista]

Conference is at 6:30 not 5 now


Yes getting later all the time

[Strictly Jake]

Conference is at 6:30 not 5 now

Are they ****ting me. Little mix is on then which is fsr more important that bojo!!!!!!!!

[Smithy]

Are they ****ting me. Little mix is on then which is fsr more important that bojo!!!!!!!!

No it’s not it’s pushed back to next week

[Zizu]

Are they ****ting me. Little mix is on then which is fsr more important that bojo!!!!!!!!



In which parallel universe ?

:)


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[arista]

Are they ****ting me. Little mix is on then which is fsr more important that bojo!!!!!!!!



All the Back Benchers like Steve Baker
going into Debate with the Prime Minister.


Adding on extra time.


BBC1HD stated at 4:30PM
now its long time until 6:30PM

[Strictly Jake]

In which parallel universe ?

:)


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I am of course joking


However that show has been a disaster because if delays etc. The final was supposed to be next week!

[arista]

No it’s not it’s pushed back to next week


Yes On Sky Info
Little Mix has gone

[arista]

1322586003647963136

[Ammi]

..so the main difference from the Spring lockdown is that education will remain fully open without restrictions...

[Smithy]

..so the main difference from the Spring lockdown is that education will remain fully open without restrictions...

Genius

[arista]

..so the main difference from the Spring lockdown is that education will remain fully open without restrictions...


Yes the Teachers Union
want it online

[Strictly Jake]

1322586003647963136

Why does he keep pushing it back

At this rate he will be donning a sequin jacket and twirling craig revel horwood before his announcement

[joeysteele]

More procrastination leading to him having to do the opposite he insisted was right.

This man and his Cabinet are unbelievable.
The science, Labour under Starmer, Mayors, all called for what's likely to be announced.

How many deaths could have been avoided had he done a more stronger restrictive lockdown earlier.

He seems to have learned little, if anything, from March in reality.

[reece(:]

More kicking the can down the road. Yay!

[Strictly Jake]

Wont the rates just go up again in December?

[reece(:]

No furlough, here cometh the job losses.

And for those who live alone, like me, a month on my own? Nah, don't think so Boris.

[LukeB]

Well with no furlough, christmas won't be saved for some families it's going to be ruined.

[Kazanne]

If we go in lockdown as it looks like we might, it is because its necessary, its not to spoil your Christmas, by locking down now it might just save Christmas as Christmas seems to be what people are moaning about, If it has to be done it has to be done. some want lockdown,others dont,we cant do both.

[bots]

There is of course bright side, the shops will be able to save on Christmas decorations :dance2:

[Zizu]

Have you seen Sky News with massive groups of young folk queueing up outside fancy dress shops in Liverpool as we speak ?!




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[Cherie]

Wont the rates just go up again in December?

Yes

[Cherie]

Boris and Co must be enjoying Liverpool being 1 nil down to West am

[Kazanne]

Have you seen Sky News with massive groups of young folk queueing up outside fancy dress shops in Liverpool as we speak ?!




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Im really not surprised Zizu.:fist:

[reece(:]

The briefing keeps being postponed because he can't get out of his fridge he's been in all week.

[bots]

i don't know who they are trying to kid saying that the lockdown is needed to provide a more normal Christmas. We will be lucky if the numbers are coming down by then

[Ammi]

...once again Boris Johnson held out and resisted the expert medical advice he was given and taking lives in the process of his ‘political accident’...as it’s being described...

[Cherie]

i don't know who they are trying to kid saying that the lockdown is needed to provide a more normal Christmas. We will be lucky if the numbers are coming down by then

Just irresponsible, it took 8 weeks to get the numbers down in March

[Cherie]

What’s the point of the briefing given everything’s already been leaked

[Zizu]

The guy interviewed some off camera and they freely admitted they won’t be abiding by any rules or regulations..

They’re young they just don’t care about others ... crazy when they all have older relatives..

This isn’t an attack on Liverpool.. it’s the same across the whole country

Didn’t they show hoards drinking and dancing in Nottingham centre last night

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[bots]

...once again Boris Johnson held out and resisted the expert medical advice he was given and taking lives in the process of his ‘political accident’...as it’s being described...

in fairness the purpose of the lockdown is always to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, and we are not overwhelmed yet

[arista]

Why does he keep pushing it back

At this rate he will be donning a sequin jacket and twirling craig revel horwood before his announcement


Its the Back Benchers
like Steve Baker
going into 10 Downing St.

To give their views to the PM.

[arista]

What’s the point of the briefing given everything’s already been leaked


Not everyone knows

[Crimson Dynamo]

so businesses are open ok in england just not shops, pubs and restaurants?

like the local plumber is still working and solicitors etc?

[bots]

i think its leaked ahead on purpose so that they can hear peoples complaints ahead of time and provide answers rather than being caught off guard

[bots]

i will say it again, if they wanted to bring the numbers down, they should have closed education. Its what caused this spike

[arista]

No furlough, here cometh the job losses.

And for those who live alone, like me, a month on my own? Nah, don't think so Boris.



We do not know yet.
Lets see.

[Vanessa]

Come on, Boris. Strictly is on tonight :fist::laugh:

[Vanessa]

i will say it again, if they wanted to bring the numbers down, they should have closed education. Its what caused this spike

I think they need to close all universities and schools.
They can study online.

[joeysteele]

If we go in lockdown as it looks like we might, it is because its necessary, its not to spoil your Christmas, by locking down now it might just save Christmas as Christmas seems to be what people are moaning about, If it has to be done it has to be done. some want lockdown,others dont,we cant do both.


Oh for goodness sake.

How many deaths have happened of others loved ones since he was advised to do a circuit breaker on 21st September.

He was told on the 8th of this month.
Stronger measures were needed.
3 weeks ago.

He's procrastinated again, as he did in March.
Costing others loved ones lives over the last 6 weeks.

Insisting he'd never do another national lockdown.
Now he's being likely dragged kicking and screaming to do it now.

Blind support for total and utter dangerous as to others lives incompetence is not admirable.
Not in my book anyway.

[arista]

Come on, Boris. Strictly is on tonight :fist::laugh:



Yes the Celebrity Mastermind
before it will have to go.

[arista]

I think they need to close all universities and schools.
They can study online.


Yes the Unions want it Online

[bots]

Oh for goodness sake.

How many deaths have happened of others loved ones since he was advised to do a circuit breaker on 21st September.

He was told on the 8th of this month.
Stronger measures were needed.
3 weeks ago.

He's procrastinated again, as he did in March.
Costing others loved ones lives over the last 6 weeks.

Insisting he'd never do another national lockdown.
Now he's being likely dragged kicking and screaming to do it now.

Blind support for total and utter dangerous as to others lives incompetence is not admirable.
Not in my book anyway.


this is just plain wrong joey. The purpose of a lockdown is to reduce the infection rate to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. The NHS is not yet close to being overwhelmed yet, but it will if the rate keeps on rising.

[Josy]

i will say it again, if they wanted to bring the numbers down, they should have closed education. Its what caused this spikeI agree

Keeping the schools open is just stupidity

[LukeB]

Even the cat is waiting...casually just sitting outside number 10 :love:

[arista]

Its meant to start in the next 15mins.

[Zizu]

What’s the point of the briefing given everything’s already been leaked



I look forward to Beth telling us exactly what he’s going to say and then straight afterwary explaining what he actually said .


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[Vanessa]

What's the point of another lockdown if they're keeping schools and universities open? :fist:

[joeysteele]

this is just plain wrong joey. The purpose of a lockdown is to reduce the infection rate to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. The NHS is not yet close to being overwhelmed yet, but it will if the rate keeps on rising.

No it's not.
Not that I expected any different response from you if you have one.

Lives could and should have been saved .the scientific advice stated in September WITHOUT a national circuit breaker or lockdown.
More LIVES would be lost.

That's not wrong at all.

Yes, it saves the NHS places too.
Because more in hospital in intensive care, are likely to die.

This done sooner would have saved some of those lives lost.
Actually it's you whose more wrong with respect.

[Vanessa]

Even the cat is waiting...casually just sitting outside number 10 :love:

Good old Larry :love:

[arista]

What's the point of another lockdown if they're keeping schools and universities open? :fist:


Sure could backfire

[bots]

No it's not.
Not that I expected any different response from you if you have one.

Lives could and should have been saved .the scientific advice stated in September WITHOUT a national circuit breaker or lockdown.
More LIVES would be lost.

That's not wrong at all.

Yes, it saves the NHS places too.
Because more in hospital in intensive care, are likely to die.

This done sooner would have saved some of those lives lost.
Actually it's you whose more wrong with respect.

no need to get personal joey, you clearly just dont understand what the purpose is of a lockdown

[arista]

Looks like Strictly on BBC1HD
will now be Delayed

[Strictly Jake]

This is doing my tits in now. Im sick of waiting. Are they having a halloween party all the mps and stuff and pretended all day that they are working? Onky aboris has drank a bit too much pumpkin cocktail and they are trying to calm him down

Strictly best still be on!

[Strictly Jake]

Looks like Strictly on BBC1HD
will now be Delayed

FFS :fist::fist::fist::fist:

[Strictly Jake]

Sod it im not waiting any longer. Gonna crack open the wine

[arista]

This is doing my tits in now. Im sick of waiting. Are they having a halloween party all the mps and stuff and pretended all day that they are working? Onky aboris has drank a bit too much pumpkin cocktail and they are trying to calm him down

Strictly best still be on!


It will but Delayed


BBC1HD is now the News ch.

[arista]

Sod it im not waiting any longer. Gonna crack open the wine

take it slow

[Liam-]

no need to get personal joey, you clearly just dont understand what the purpose is of a lockdown

Saving the nhs isn’t the only function of a lockdown, so maybe it’s you that doesn’t quite understand

[arista]

Come on, Boris. Strictly is on tonight :fist::laugh:


It is Delayed
can not go on BBC2HD
As Rugby starts 7:30PM

[utopianman]

Oh for goodness sake.

How many deaths have happened of others loved ones since he was advised to do a circuit breaker on 21st September.

He was told on the 8th of this month.
Stronger measures were needed.
3 weeks ago.

He's procrastinated again, as he did in March.
Costing others loved ones lives over the last 6 weeks.

Insisting he'd never do another national lockdown.
Now he's being likely dragged kicking and screaming to do it now.

Blind support for total and utter dangerous as to others lives incompetence is not admirable.
Not in my book anyway.

They key to this is to turn all the field hospital into covid quarantine hospitals for ALL the badly infected patients. This keeps ALL covid out of the main hospitals. Transfer the staff needed from main hospitals to these field hospitals. Thus allowing main hospitals to be covid free and actually carry out other life saving treatments. It will also reduce the infections in patients and staff and less staff will be off sick and self isolating. as usual the brainless media sheep dont mention this, just as they havent mentioned closing the chanel tunnel

[Ammi]

in fairness the purpose of the lockdown is always to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, and we are not overwhelmed yet

...but the NHS is about to be overwhelmed is what was said and why the lockdown has been advised for a few weeks and Boris resisted again...

[Josy]

Saving the nhs isn’t the only function of a lockdown, so maybe it’s you that doesn’t quite understandReducing the burden on the NHS was the main reason for the last lockdown and according to the data guy on sky news not 20 mins ago this lockdown is for the same reason, theyve apparently been shown new data saying the infection rate will rise a whole lot more than previously expected within 8 weeks ie xmas, causing the NHS to buckle

[Ammi]

I agree

Keeping the schools open is just stupidity

...they’re still trying to suggest a one week open/one week closed possibility but I think that would probably be too chaotic...

[Strictly Jake]

Right come on its time bojo

[utopianman]

Reducing the burden on the NHS was the main reason for the last lockdown and according to the data guy on sky news not 20 mins ago this lockdown is for the same reason, theyve apparently been shown new data saying the infection rate will rise a whole lot more than previously expected within 8 weeks ie xmas, causing the NHS to buckle

Yes and that was the main reason for the field hospitals and the 45000 beds, but they simply havent been used , why?

[Josy]

Yes and that was the main reason for the field hospitals and the 45000 beds, but they simply havent been used , why?Lockdown slowed infection rate enough that the main hospitals were no longer struggling so there was no need to use the nightingale?

[MTVN]

Tier one to full lockdown overnight, sigh..

Hoped our government would be braver than this

[arista]

LIVE NOW


BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Times radio DAB
LBC
Radio 5

[joeysteele]

Yes and that was the main reason for the field hospitals and the 45000 beds, but they simply havent been used , why?

They haven't the staff.
They opened them but haven't got the staff in place needed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

thank god we have Nicola in charge here

[Liam-]

Tier one to full lockdown overnight, sigh..

Hoped our government would be braver than this

What would have been the ‘brave’ choice?

[arista]

thank god we have Nicola in charge here


On Monday you go to your new Tiers 5

[Amy Jade]

All the girlies and gays tuning in to see Little Mix and this guff is on again.

[joeysteele]

no need to get personal joey, you clearly just dont understand what the purpose is of a lockdown

... and you say don't get personal.
I don't get personal.

I don't agree with you, you don't me.
You were the one who jumped in to try to tell me I'm wrong.
Now you're inferring I'm thick.

I'll send back to you don't get personal then.

I certainly don't need educating on covid from you thank you.
I've lost enough people to last a lifetime already to it.

You end up in hospital, hospitals can't cope, get overwhelmed, lives are lost.
So why was this not done earlier to stop that happening.

Or do lives not matter if they're lost if hospitals aren't overwhelmed.
Unbelievable.

[utopianman]

Lockdown slowed infection rate enough that the main hospitals were no longer struggling so there was no need to use the nightingale?

That is utter madness, the field hospital would quarantine the disease so it would NOT spread through the main hospitals to other patients and staff. Put ALL the covid in 1 building away from everyone else. Then all staff to wear a tonne of PPE in the covid hospitals. This is the ONLY way to defeat this disease.

The main hospitals can then be used for all other procedures, all of which as are also essential. 25 million plus cancellations in main hospitals in 6 months because patients and staff are too scared to go there in case they catch it. with ALL covid sent to quarantine hospitals all that fear and infections in the main hospitals would disappear.

please do not fall for the line these field hospitals are not needed, they are needed and will be essential in the coming months. BUT they cannot be used for regular patients as they do NOT have the essential equipment, mris , x rays, ct scanners , operating theatres etc etc so they can ONLy be used for covid. The governments have dithered and failed to act on them, they must do so NOW

[Beso]

They all seem very nervous

[MTVN]

What would have been the ‘brave’ choice?

Continue with a regional approach and put the focus on developing smarter tools to combat the rise in infections/protect the vulnerable

Boris too scared to be an outlier when the rest of Europe is locking down imo

[utopianman]

They haven't the staff.
They opened them but haven't got the staff in place needed.


That is utter madness, they need to transfer some of the staff and all of the covid patients to these field hospitals NOW

The field hospital would quarantine the disease so it would NOT spread through the main hospitals to other patients and staff. Put ALL the covid in 1 building away from everyone else. Then all staff to wear a tonne of PPE in the covid hospitals. This is the ONLY way to defeat this disease.

The main hospitals can then be used for all other procedures, all of which as are also essential. 25 million plus cancellations in main hospitals in 6 months because patients and staff are too scared to go there in case they catch it. with ALL covid sent to quarantine hospitals all that fear and infections in the main hospitals would disappear. The numbers of staff then off with covid whether infected or self isolated or through fear of cathcing it would all fall through the floor. so far more staff would become available.

please do not fall for the line these field hospitals are not needed, they are needed and will be essential in the coming months. BUT they cannot be used for regular patients as they do NOT have the essential equipment, mris , x rays, ct scanners , operating theatres etc etc so they can ONLy be used for covid. The governments have dithered and failed to act on them, they must do so NOW

[arista]

They all seem very nervous

Yes as they have had a long Afternoon
With MP's and Bleedin' backbenchers

[reece(:]

Continue with a regional approach and put the focus on developing smarter tools to combat the rise in infections/protect the vulnerable

Boris too scared to be an outlier when the rest of Europe is locking down imo

This is a first for me but totally agree with you!! :joker:

[joeysteele]

Continue with a regional approach and put the focus on developing smarter tools to combat the rise in infections/protect the vulnerable

Boris too scared to be an outlier when the rest of Europe is locking down imo

Well yes.
That should have been done from the end onwards of the last lockdown.

They took away the official protection of the vulnerable, even for those who wanted it.

[arista]

Hairdressers
will be Angry.