Coronavirus Outbreak

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

yesterday here in Netherlands, we had for first time, no new deaths

[Cherie]

yesterday here in Netherlands, we had for first time, no new deaths

:clap1:

[arista]

The PM is Live

4th of July Changes

All Covid Secure
Pubs will open


Parliament.


Covid Secure Guides will be published today


Water parks to remain closed
until they have worked out Covid Secure future

[arista]

[11:48
Hairdressers, outdoor gyms and playgrounds,
cinemas, museums, libraries and galleries will also reopen.

But indoor gyms, swimming pools, spas and bowling alleys will remain closed.]

[arista]

[11:47
Restaurants and pubs will be allowed
to reopen on 4 July, Mr Johnson says.

11:46
Households will be able to mix with one
other household indoors at a time,
but households should continue to social distance when inside.

People from two households will also be
able to meet outside, regardless of size.

Outside, the guidance remains that
people from several households
can meet in groups of up to six.

Mr Johnson has made clear the government
is not recommending meetings
of multiple households indoors.


11:40
Two-metre rule reduced
Boris Johnson confirms there will be
a further easing of the lockdown from 4 July.
He also confirms the two-metre social
distancing rule will be reduced.

There will be a "one-metre-plus" rule,
where people will be advised to keep 2m apart
where possible, but where it is not, they
should keep one metre plus.

One metre plus means that in circumstances
where two metres cannot be kept,
there should be other mitigating factors.
This includes wearing a face mask on
public transport, hand washing, screens,
limiting time with people and being outdoors.]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johnson-to-reveal-latest-lockdown-easing-plans-12013103

[Vanessa]

Omg yes! I've missed going to the cinema so much :cheer2:

[arista]

Omg yes! I've missed going to the cinema so much :cheer2:


Yes 4DX Cinema as well.

[Brother Leon]

Thank **** for haircuts. Only so long I can pull off Looking like a caveman at the moment.

[Mitchell]

Theatres and concert halls can begin operating, but cannot stage live performances.

K hun

[Smithy]

Restaurants and pubs? Jesus Christ :joker: talk about saving the economy over peoples lives

[caprimint]

Hairdressers :cheer2:

Cannot wait for this

[Livia]

Hairdressers :cheer2:

Cannot wait for this

Me neither. I've buzzed Alex's hair off with the clippers, made a pretty good job of it... although I'm not considering it as a career choice.

I can't wait for my local pub to restart Sunday lunch.

[Vanessa]

I need a haircut so bad. My hair is way too long :laugh:

[arista]

[Reopening from July 4

Restaurants
Cafes
Bars
Pubs
Hotels
Bed and Breakfasts
Holiday homes
Campsites and caravan parks
Places of worship
Libraries
Community centres
Museums
Art galleries
Workplace canteens
Cinemas
Bingo halls
Theatres and concert halls (but no live performances)
Barbers and hair salons
Outdoor playgrounds
Outdoor gyms
Funfairs, theme parks and adventure parks and activities
Amusement arcades
Indoor leisure centres and facilities including indoor gaming
Social clubs
Model villages
Indoor attractions at aquariums, zoos and safari parks, farms and wildlife centres]

[arista]

[Remaining closed after July 4

Nightclubs
Bowling alleys
Ice skating rinks
Indoor play areas, including soft play
Spas
Nail bars and beauty salons
Massage, tattoo and piercing parlours
Indoor fitness and dance studios
Indoor gyms and sports venues and facilities
Swimming polls and water parks
Exhibition and conference centres where used for external events ]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/23/11/28706510-8450117-Wetherspoon_pubs_will_be_very_different_places_whe n_they_reopen_-m-8_1592908450800.jpg

Wetherspoon
Covid secure set up.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450895/Two-metre-rule-HALVED-let-people-meet-indoors-stay-OVERNIGHT-July-4.html

[arista]

Today is the Final Live 5PM Weekday Briefing
Downing St.

Becoming Ad Hoc.
after today.

[Oliver_W]

Today is the Final Live 5PM Weekday Briefing
Downing St.

Becoming Ad Hoc.
after today.

I wonder if they'll become daily again when "if" we get a second spike...

[MTVN]

Thank you Boris!!!

[arista]

I wonder if they'll become daily again when "if" we get a second spike...


Yes they can change it back.

[arista]

[A county in Germany's most populous state
has been placed back into lockdown
after a coronavirus outbreak at a slaughterhouse.
More than 1,500 people from the Toennies plant
in Guetersloh county tested positive for COVID-19.
The abattoir previously said it had
stopped slaughtering on Wednesday
and was shutting down in stages.]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-german-county-goes-back-into-lockdown-after-outbreak-at-abattoir-12013061

[joeysteele]

Really too much too soon in my view.
Caution still needed I'd say.

I won't be participating, too much to possibly lose as to loved ones.

[bbcanicons]

Really too much too soon in my view.
Caution still needed I'd say.

I won't be participating, too much to possibly lose as to loved ones.

I won't be participating fully either for the same reasons. I really think we're headed towards a second wave, but I will get a haircut that's for sure:hehe:

[Tom4784]

I'm not going anywhere near pubs, cinemas or restaurants until we have more of a handle on this situation. I'm certainly not getting a haircut anytime soon.

It's going to be a disaster, people are not adhering to guidelines as is, lifting more restrictions will not help.

[Cherie]

I haven't been to the shops yet, but gradually will start living our lives again, I went for petrol today I was the only one wearing a mask, I think its the right thing to do, people have found ways around doing things, like drinking in the park, raves. house parties because they are so bored, so better it is in a monitored environment

[joeysteele]

I'm not going anywhere near pubs, cinemas or restaurants until we have more of a handle on this situation. I'm certainly not getting a haircut anytime soon.

It's going to be a disaster, people are not adhering to guidelines as is, lifting more restrictions will not help.


Exactly right, as to your last paragraph even moreso.

[arista]

I'm not going anywhere near pubs, cinemas or restaurants until we have more of a handle on this situation. I'm certainly not getting a haircut anytime soon.

It's going to be a disaster, people are not adhering to guidelines as is, lifting more restrictions will not help.


But MTVN
wants his Pint!

[caprimint]

But MTVN
wants his Pint!
Ahhhhhhhh :joker:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbMdfgSXsAEs2xI?format=jpg&name=small

[Vanessa]

When I go to the cinema I usually go weekdays, when it's very quiet.
I don't like going when it's full.

[arista]

When I go to the cinema I usually go weekdays, when it's very quiet.
I don't like going when it's full.


It can not be full anymore.

[Kazanne]

When I go to the cinema I usually go weekdays, when it's very quiet.
I don't like going when it's full.

Yes,it's much better Vanessa,I hate blinking crowds.

[Vanessa]

It can not be full anymore.

That's good for me. I love it when there's hardly anyone there.
You can enjoy the movie more.

[arista]

The Final , for now, 5PM
Briefing 10 Downing St.
Live.

No more after this one
unless they need to.



Its the PM Live
with 2 advisers

4th July :Step 3

[Vanessa]

Time to get a haircut. I'm starting to look like Cousin it :joker:

[Vanessa]

In our canteen at work we have plexiglass separating the tables.
Everything is separated : the coffe machines, the microwaves, the sinks and the water station.

[arista]

Covid-19 Deaths : 171


UK Covid-19 Death Total 42,927

[arista]

In our canteen at work we have plexiglass separating the tables.
Everything is separated : the coffee machines, the microwaves, the sinks and the water station.


Yes that's Good.

[Cherie]

2 metre rule still in place, one metre plus mitigation

[arista]

SkyNewsHD Sam
asks why are these changes only for England?

The PM : Says the other zones agree with the
move to stage 3.

[Vanessa]

Boris can't wait to go to the pub :joker:

[Cherie]

UK coronavirus LIVE: Boris Johnson ditches two-metre rule with pubs and restaurants to reopen in landmark easing of lockdown

The press in this country are so poor at actually reporting what has been said, it was emphasised quite plainly that the 2m rule is still in place apart from where mitigation can be implemented :facepalm: Are they really that dumb?

[Beso]

It's too hot to do any of that nonsense.

[Cherie]

It's too hot to do any of that nonsense.

keeping apart from people? ideal in hot weather :dance:

[user104658]

Death & hospitalisation rates are still far too high in England for any of this. What a mess.

[Oliver_W]

Death & hospitalisation rates are still far too high in England for any of this. What a mess.

It's redonkulous ain't it. I'm sure people are sick of the lockdown, but I'd rather be bored indoors than have friends and family losing their lives or health.

And a second wave/spike is surely creeping in - things like Cummings inspired jaunts, VE weekend, and weeks of protests all pretty much backed on to each other. All of those stones rolling at the same time are sure to gather some moss...

[MTVN]

It's redonkulous ain't it. I'm sure people are sick of the lockdown, but I'd rather be bored indoors than have friends and family losing their lives or health.

And a second wave/spike is surely creeping in - things like Cummings inspired jaunts, VE weekend, and weeks of protests all pretty much backed on to each other. All of those stones rolling at the same time are sure to gather some moss...

VE Day was six weeks ago now..

[MTVN]

We've kept our bars and restaurants closed a lot longer than most of Europe but the levels of transmission of the virus in the community is now very low and we've seen that the infections and deaths have still decreased even with the easing of other measures, the progress we've made in the last few weeks is massive

[joeysteele]

Death & hospitalisation rates are still far too high in England for any of this. What a mess.

Absolutely they are.

No way am I going to be taking any risks, sadly it's the other people who take the risks then infect others.

This 1 metre with mitigation guideline, while saying 2 metres is still preferable.
What tripe is that.

People in pubs, having a few drinks, caution thrown to the wind.
Going into Stores or shops, then passing on infections to whoever's at home with them.
evthose who they meet on the way home possibly.

Bonkers, raving bonkers and an abandonment of duty by those in charge as to the safety, real safety of ALL.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Absolutely they are.

No way am I going to be taking any risks, sadly it's the other people who take the risks then infect others.

This 1 metre with mitigation guideline, while saying 2 metres is still preferable.
What tripe is that.

People in pubs, having a few drinks, caution thrown to the wind.
Going into Stores or shops, then passing on infections to whoever's at home with them.
It even who they meet on the way home.

Bonkers, raving bonkers and an abandonment of duty by those in charge as to the safety, real safety of ALL.
And the scientific evidence behind your view is what?


Because the government have evidence. I wonder where your view comes from?

[bots]

The danger is that if the guidelines are relaxed, people will just relax them even further. All the scientist say that you are up to 10 times more likely to get the virus at 1 metre than 2 metres. If that then pushes up the infection rate by 10 times, we have a big problem. I'm all for getting things back up and running, but this 1 metre thing does concern me a lot. In a pub environment there will be no masks and people are going to be in an ideal breeding ground for the virus

In florida, they had 3000 new infections yesterday after they relaxed their restrictions. I will be sticking to at least 2 metres until I see concrete evidence that it's not an issue

[Crimson Dynamo]

The danger is that if the guidelines are relaxed, people will just relax them even further. All the scientist say that you are up to 10 times more likely to get the virus at 1 metre than 2 metres. If that then pushes up the infection rate by 10 times, we have a big problem. I'm all for getting things back up and running, but this 1 metre thing does concern me a lot. In a pub environment there will be no masks and people are going to be in an ideal breeding ground for the virus

In florida, they had 3000 new infections yesterday after they relaxed their restrictions. I will be sticking to at least 2 metres until I see concrete evidence that it's not an issue

And your concrete evidence for 2m is what?

[joeysteele]

And the scientific evidence behind your view is what?


Because the government have evidence. I wonder where your view comes from?

It comes from my own view certainly just as yours does.

From all we've been told to do over the last months.
From my determination at all costs to take no risks with any more of my loved ones lives.

Also from the fact I distrust near all the Ministers say and also, there's conflicting scientific advice all around too.

That won't satisfy you but I'll look after my loved ones and I have no respect for a government now set on playing risky games with the lives of people.

Piling more people out in society, opening up this, that and the other, then saying all those shielding are virtually on their own in about 5 weeks now!!!

Have they not lost enough sick and elderly to satisfy yet.
They sure have in my view..
THOUSANDS unnecessarily too.

[Zizu]

It's redonkulous ain't it. I'm sure people are sick of the lockdown, but I'd rather be bored indoors than have friends and family losing their lives or health.



And a second wave/spike is surely creeping in - things like Cummings inspired jaunts, VE weekend, and weeks of protests all pretty much backed on to each other. All of those stones rolling at the same time are sure to gather some moss...



Imagine the parties and celebrations on 4th July .. I dread to think what the infection rate will be by the 15 July ...

Imagine if we have to all go back into a Level 4/5 lockdown situation over the summer school holidays


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[Zizu]

Absolutely they are.

No way am I going to be taking any risks, sadly it's the other people who take the risks then infect others.

This 1 metre with mitigation guideline, while saying 2 metres is still preferable.
What tripe is that.

People in pubs, having a few drinks, caution thrown to the wind.
Going into Stores or shops, then passing on infections to whoever's at home with them.
evthose who they meet on the way home possibly.

Bonkers, raving bonkers and an abandonment of duty by those in charge as to the safety, real safety of ALL.



Well if everyone else is going to 1 metre I’m going up to 3 metres !


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

And your concrete evidence for 2m is what?



I don’t know about concrete evidence ( although I’ve seem various stats quoted over the last few months showing that the airborne virus particles CAN travel 13 ‘ through the air ) but pretty much every scientist/microbiologist who’s spoken on the matter agree that the closer you get to others the better chance you have of contracting the virus .


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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Well if everyone else is going to 1 metre I’m going up to 3 metres !


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I've tried to keep more to that all through.

I think you're wise thinking that way.

[arista]

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[James]

I read hairdressers aren't being allowed to re-open in Scotland until sometime between July 9th and August 11th.

When are they re-opening dentists?

That is pretty much an essential service.

[Kizzy]

And your concrete evidence for 2m is what?

Riddle me this... why have you, by your own admission been wearing a mask for the past few weeks?

[Tom4784]

And your concrete evidence for 2m is what?

LT failing to understand what an opinion is example #43231.

You don't need to qualify an opinion with evidence. Learn the difference between an opinion and a statement because screeching at people to provide proof for their opinions because you lack the smarts to overcome what they're saying is not a good look.

[bots]

I read hairdressers aren't being allowed to re-open in Scotland until sometime between July 9th and August 11th.

When are they re-opening dentists?

That is pretty much an essential service.

Dentists are open now in England I think, but the requirements meant that only a third of them were ready to open

[bots]

And your concrete evidence for 2m is what?

i'm only going by what scientist have said, and in situations like this I would rather be on the side of caution. Luckily, i'm in a position to decide if i want to go to the pub or not, and to decide if i want to remain at a 2m distance.

Plenty of tobacco manufacturers said there was no harm in smoking while science said otherwise, and I think pub owners now are pretty much the same as the tobacco manufacturers were then

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea3ygqqXkAM1dv3?format=jpg&name=small

Any context here arista?

[Nicky91]

imagine easing down regulations when there are still loads of new hospitalisations, new deaths

:umm2: how stupid can one government be



at least ours had waited until numbers were at a very low



also official here in Netherlands now, from september again ''reduced'' audiences at football matches, no chants, no cheers, and there needs to be the 1.5 metre distance ofc at all times and face masks are a must

[Zizu]

It’s a mess .. I heard yesterday on LBC that they’d contacted many of the tracers who admit they’ve not been contacted /given any leads to follow up yet even though there were apparently around 7,000 new infections each DAY until the last week .. it’s still far too high a number to trace them all plus the people they’ve been in contact with .

Out of the 25,000 tracers ( if we can believe that figure in the first place ) apparently 7,000 of them are trained medical professionals, doctors and nurses taking a break from their usual career to join the fight against coronavirus in a different way ( reducing the number of experienced doctors/ nurses seems wrong before we start !)

Others were recruited from call centres or they are students looking for a summer job and their task is to help discover who may have been in contact with a person who has tested positive for coronavirus.

The number of new infections is apparently far too high keep a track on everyone who needs to be isolated.


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[bots]

So, if i'm now understanding things correctly, who you can have in your home is still very restricted, but you can go to a pub in an enclosed space shared with hundreds of strangers

[Crimson Dynamo]

So, if i'm now understanding things correctly, who you can have in your home is still very restricted, but you can go to a pub in an enclosed space shared with hundreds of strangers

Yes and you can also go to the pub but your kids can't go to school

They can go on s demo for a strictly American issue unrelated to the UK however, with thousands, shouting and chanting - 2 things hard science says is very dangerous for transmission:skull:

[Nicky91]

no american citizens for indefinite time allowed into any EU countries, smart decision given covid-19 numbers are still huge in the america's


but EU citizens can go on holiday to any of the EU countries, still with extra precaution that following the country of destination their regulations are followed, to prevent any troubles with their governments etc

also spain is reopening for tourism again, i mean now virus is at a low there, they can use this little ''break'' to boost economy with money made by tourism section again


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/dutch-poised-to-lift-ban-on-large-gatherings-sources-suggest/

as for my country, we could go through more easing down of measures, lifting a ban on large gatherings could be likely, but more then it going along with 1.5 metre distance in the ''covidsociety'' how we call this new form of ''close-to-normal life''

[arista]

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[Cherie]

I think most people who have been observing lockdown will ease themselves back in, those that haven't won't , I reckon on getting my hair cut around mid August, I wont be one of the first ones through the door put it like that

If pubs and restaurants have screens or 2 meters between tables, and cleaning between users I don't see the issue, pubs who are basically restaurants are fine, its the pubs where people stand at the bar and stuff that will be difficult to manage but I guess they will tape them off?

Meat processing plants seem to have the biggest risk at the moment

[arista]

"Meat processing plants seem to have the biggest risk at the moment"

Yes all over the World
All staff crammed together
No Distance set up at all.

It's No wonder UK and Germany
are having to Close them down
due to so many, staff infected.

[arista]

Any context here arista?


No
its out of date.
I just liked the Cartoon.
Sorry Kizzy

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/18209/production/_113052889_f4dd7d00-9cda-4969-a452-b821a655f526.jpg
[Tattoo artist Adam Grant says he was shocked
to learn his studio can't reopen on 4 July ]

Yes you are close , Very Close Fella
Cutting into them,
work out a safe way - tell us a better way
of how to do it without infection.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53068212


["It was a shock. I can understand the
logical argument but personally
it feels very irritating and disappointing,
" says Adam Grant, a tattoo artist
and studio manager at Tattoo UK
in Uxbridge, west London.
He says it was frustrating to hear
that hairdressers can open on 4 July,
while tattoo parlours must remain closed.
It was especially irritating
since tattoo parlours already
have measures in place to
prevent-cross contamination he says,
such as the disposable gloves and aprons
which artists must wear.]

[Liam-]

So you can have people from another household stay over, but you have to remain socially distanced out and about? That logic is bizarre

[Nicky91]

So you can have people from another household stay over, but you have to remain socially distanced out and about? That logic is bizarre

not much logic, since UK is one of the worst affected countries by covid-19


apparently doctors, surgeons, other medical staff have asked your government what to do, and how to possibly prevent a second wave, to think about that

i just heard that on our local radio's news here

[arista]

So you can have people from another household stay over, but you have to remain socially distanced out and about? That logic is bizarre

Still stay distanced in the house
is best

[Cherie]

So you can have people from another household stay over, but you have to remain socially distanced out and about? That logic is bizarre

You have to maintain social distance indoors and it’s restricted to just one other family not different family groups ...outside you can meet up to 6 people from different family groups with social distancing, I don’t know why people find it so complicated tbh :laugh:

[Cherie]

not much logic, since UK is one of the worst affected countries by covid-19


apparently doctors, surgeons, other medical staff have asked your government what to do, and how to possibly prevent a second wave, to think about that

i just heard that on our local radio's news here

It’s not logical because it’s not the guidance

[bots]

i think this last set of easing was too much, but I think the government now want to forget all about it

[Nicky91]

You have to maintain social distance indoors and it’s restricted to just one other family not different family groups ...outside you can meet up to 6 people from different family groups with social distancing, I don’t know why people find it so complicated tbh :laugh:

i heard about few elderly here in Netherlands, how they had hugged family members again, for special occasion ofc, a birthday, and they had not seen each other for like 3 months

also good about visits being allowed again in care homes here too, which is good against dementia etc

[arista]

PMQ's live Parliament
Radio 5 , LBC , SkyNewsHD , BBCnewsHD

The PM is Live

[Liam-]

Still stay distanced in the house
is best

You have to maintain social distance indoors and it’s restricted to just one other family not different family groups ...outside you can meet up to 6 people from different family groups with social distancing, I don’t know why people find it so complicated tbh :laugh:

Socially distanced, in a house with people staying over?..

[arista]

The PM is attacking the Labour Leader
again , over sending children to school.

The SNP leader
via a Monitor
claims many Scottish firms are going under

[joeysteele]

All I'm watching is again a waste of time.
Another PM who thinks they ask the questions rather than being asked them.

One day he might just give a direct and appropriate answer to this serious covid 19 issue.
Rather than try to bluster his way through PMQs.

[Cherie]

Socially distanced, in a house with people staying over?..

How close do you get to your guests :suspect:

Don’t climb into bed with them Liam :nono:

[Cherie]

The PM is attacking the Labour Leader
again , over sending children to school.

The SNP leader
via a Monitor
claims many Scottish firms are going under

Right? Nicky needs to address that

[joeysteele]

So you can have people from another household stay over, but you have to remain socially distanced out and about? That logic is bizarre

It's becoming even more farcical.

[arista]

All I'm watching is again a waste of time.
Another PM who thinks they ask the questions rather than being asked them.

One day he might just give a direct and appropriate answer to this serious covid 19 issue.
Rather than try to bluster his way through PMQs.


Yes he does Bluster away
and it ends around 30mins

[arista]

Sammy Wilson
DUP

Wants to know how the Border Control
will work after Brexit.

The PM has a plan
but would not say it?

[arista]

It's becoming even more farcical.


We need
Rory Bremner to do a 30mins TV special
to explain it all via a muddle


Radio 4 Friday 6:30PM "Dead Ringers"
is worth of having on or recording via your TV box

[joeysteele]

Sammy Wilson
DUP

Wants to know how the Border Control
will work after Brexit.

The PM has a plan
but would not say it?


Probably no plan then has he.

Like most of Hancock's plans.
I lost count of the times Hancock had plans in interviews and the press conferences, while seeing next to nothing of them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Probably no plan then has he.

Like most of Hancock's plans.
I lost count of the times Hancock had plans in interviews and the press conferences, while seeing next to nothing of them.

In a functioning democracy Hancock would be out, but instead he's bragging about how their non-existent plans have worked/are working.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

Probably no plan then has he.

Like most of Hancock's plans.
I lost count of the times Hancock had plans in interviews and the press conferences, while seeing next to nothing of them.

...don’t cross the border../..cross the border...only cross the border with mitigation if you can stay 2 metres from the border...?...wash your hands, sing Happy Birthday and only cross the border if you’re not crossing it..?...run...

[joeysteele]

...don’t cross the border../..cross the border...only cross the border with mitigation if you can stay 2 metres from the border...?...wash your hands, sing Happy Birthday and only cross the border if you’re not crossing it..?...run...

Absolutely Ammi.
Nice one.

In most other settings it would be humerous while embarrassing at the same time.

Sadly playing very serious and dangerous games with the lives of people, make it, for me anyhow, more probably despicable.

[arista]

154 Died of Covid-19


UK Total today Covid-19 Deaths : 43,081

[Zizu]

It’s odd that they’ve had months of these daily briefings yet now when we’re relaxing soooo many lockdown restrictions (maybe too soon )which could easily trigger a massive second wave of infections / deaths ... they stop .



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[Cherie]

It’s odd that they’ve had months of these daily briefings yet now when we’re relaxing soooo many lockdown restrictions (maybe too soon )which could easily trigger a massive second wave of infections / deaths ... they stop .



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Apparently no one watched them, apart from when Bojo hosted so pointless? . The graphs etc will be on the website, think it was just me and Arista were the regular watchers

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Airport ground handling
firm Swissport plans to axe 4,556 jobs
Staff were being informed of the cuts on Wednesday morning.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-airport-ground-handling-firm-swissport-plans-to-axe-4-556-jobs-12013778

Sadly more Job loses
due to China's Covid-19 virus

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Ammi]

...would that be the herd immunity plan..?...

[bots]

Volunteers have begun being immunised with a new UK coronavirus vaccine.

About 300 people will have the vaccine over the coming weeks, as part of a trial led by Prof Robin Shattock and his colleagues, at Imperial College London.

Tests in animals suggest the vaccine is safe and triggers an effective immune response.

Experts at Oxford University have already started human trials.

The trials are among many across the world - there are around 120 vaccine programmes under way.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061288

[Cherie]

Volunteers have begun being immunised with a new UK coronavirus vaccine.

About 300 people will have the vaccine over the coming weeks, as part of a trial led by Prof Robin Shattock and his colleagues, at Imperial College London.

Tests in animals suggest the vaccine is safe and triggers an effective immune response.

Experts at Oxford University have already started human trials.

The trials are among many across the world - there are around 120 vaccine programmes under way.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061288


Grateful thanks to all of them...hope it comes off

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1688A/production/_113089229_daily-telegraph-front-page-.jpg

[user104658]

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"Party political grandstanding is not what the general public wants at the moment. Nor is bluster."

Unfortunately, these are the only two tools Boris has on his belt. He has no idea how to do anything else.

[Cherie]

The beaches :facepalm: Get these people back to work already....twats!

[joeysteele]

"Party political grandstanding is not what the general public wants at the moment. Nor is bluster."

Unfortunately, these are the only two tools Boris has on his belt. He has no idea how to do anything else.


Which is, despite my current dismay at PMQs, why PMQs is relevant.
If more watched it however.

Even moreso since Starmer became leader, his reasoned questioning stands out.
Despite a few more of his cheerleaders behind him, Johnson really hasn't worked out how to deal with the questions put to him.

His bluster and in fact all else, is tiresome in that setting.
However people, (obviously not the Tory diehards who'll never see wrong in Johnson), need to keep seeing his wriggling and deceitful sidestepping, even on really serious issues like this pandemic crisis.

One thing I'd love to see at PMQs however, is that the PM is compelled to answer the question put and NOT to avoid doing so ask questions of the Opposition leader.

This is questions TO the PM not FROM the PM.
Once he starts asking a question back, rather than answering the one put.
He should be stopped by the speaker.

This Speaker is one of the worst ever likely in my view.

If he wants to question the Opposition leader, he has opportunities other times in debates in parliament..
Or actually set up a time for OLQs, as in questions to the opposition leader.
I doubt Labour or any other party would object to that.

Johnson really has brought a new low to just about ALL parliamentary procedure and his performances in parliament.

[user104658]

I agree Joey, PMQ's would be much more worth watching if the rule was that the PM had to make an attempt to answer the question, or say "I don't know the answer to that" and try to give it at a later date, or even "I can't give you that answer" with a brief explanation of why.

What's the point in a PMQ's where the PM can cherry pick which questions to answer and just ignore the rest?

[joeysteele]

I agree Joey, PMQ's would be much more worth watching if the rule was that the PM had to make an attempt to answer the question, or say "I don't know the answer to that" and try to give it at a later date, or even "I can't give you that answer" with a brief explanation of why.

What's the point in a PMQ's where the PM can cherry pick which questions to answer and just ignore the rest?

Exactly. TS.

[arista]

But if a Labour MP ask's about a Death
in their zone.
Johnson PM jumps back to being normal.

[Tom4784]

"Party political grandstanding is not what the general public wants at the moment. Nor is bluster."

Unfortunately, these are the only two tools Boris has on his belt. He has no idea how to do anything else.

The general public that voted for the Tories regularly fall for both. You don't need to be someone of substance and ideas when you have a bunch of sheep that will cheer regardless.

[Oliver_W]

The general public that voted for the Tories regularly fall for both. You don't need to be someone of substance and ideas when you have a bunch of sheep that will cheer regardless.

True, but I think that's starting to change. Sir Kier is great at PMQs, really shows Boris' hollow bluster for what it is. No-one could watch current PMQs and think Boris does well.

[Cherie]

Travel corridors between Italy, France, Spain, Greee, Netherlands and possibly Finland, Norway,Turkey to be announced in next few days, but not Portugal as there has been a spike near Lisbon, so looks like business as usual for summer holidays :shrug:

Illegal rave in South London last night, but its too soon for the twats to go back to work :laugh:

[Tom4784]

True, but I think that's starting to change. Sir Kier is great at PMQs, really shows Boris' hollow bluster for what it is. No-one could watch current PMQs and think Boris does well.

I'll believe it when I see it, Boris is the third in a line of flawed tory PMs (with him being the most flawed of the bunch so far) and I can't see people voting differently.

We've come to a position in history where people will vote for the tories regardless. I don't think there's any stopping their dominance at this point.

[Oliver_W]

I'll believe it when I see it, Boris is the third in a line of flawed tory PMs (with him being the most flawed of the bunch so far) and I can't see people voting differently.

We've come to a position in history where people will vote for the tories regardless. I don't think there's any stopping their dominance at this point.

Who knows, Labour did pretty well in the Snap a few years back. A "better" party leader could have led the a completely different result.

But then, both parties had leaders who damaged their chances. The tabloids dressing up the skeletons in Corbyn's closet held him back, and Theresa May being a living disaster held her back.

Boris has spent so long cultivating his "good old chap" image that his party is probably is guaranteed a bunch of votes from people who don't pay a huge amount of attention to politics ~ and I can be guilty of that, the only issues I really care about are environmental and animals ~ that he'll probably be floating there for a while, until he really cocks it up. And he will. But will it be close enough to the next General to make a difference? and/or bad enough to be held against him anyway?

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: last nights press conference by Mark Rutte and Hugo De Jonge here

most is reopening from 1st of July

also official, from september public allowed again here at football matches, with social distancing, so 1/3 can enter, will have to be drawn who can go to which match i guess


also the eurovision2021 venue Ahoy is reopening then, so some work for that next year can already be starting too

mostly good news

and our health minister de jonge had good news that the corona-app is also underway and ready very shortly from now on :)


daily update

3 new deaths

5 new hospitalisations

so again a low there

[Mystic Mock]

Netherlands: last nights press conference by Mark Rutte and Hugo De Jonge here

most is reopening from 1st of July

also official, from september public allowed again here at football matches, with social distancing, so 1/3 can enter, will have to be drawn who can go to which match i guess


also the eurovision2021 venue Ahoy is reopening then, so some work for that next year can already be starting too

mostly good news

and our health minister de jonge had good news that the corona-app is also underway and ready very shortly from now on :)


daily update

3 new deaths

5 new hospitalisations

so again a low there

Well that's mostly good news Nicky.

You must be happy?

[arista]

1276144724685053952


The PM's new Painted Plane

[arista]

149 Covid-19 Deaths for UK


Covid-19 UK Total : 43,230

[arista]

CNN HD interviewing David Cameron
who says Science must get answers
and does not want G20 to be a fight
the WHO.

[Swan]

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Good old GBP

[The Slim Reaper]

Rules have been over for all intents and purposes since cummings, let's be honest about that fact.

[Swan]

Rules have been over for all intents and purposes since cummings, let's be honest about that fact.

Common sense out the window though.

[bots]

The states that opened up quickly in the USA are really starting to suffer now with huge rises in infected people. Trump has responded by stopping the funding of 13 testing centers including 7 in Texas, one of the worst affected states. I see something similar happening here

[Cherie]

1275857767044132871

Good old GBP

They are the best

Why on earth would you want to sit in that crowd today

[The Slim Reaper]

Common sense out the window though.

I agree with you on this, but when the government defends an advisor over making sure the rules in place are followed, then they instantly lost all moral authority, and ever since then the public have made the rules, the government just announced them.

[Cherie]

I agree with you on this, but when the government defends an advisor over making sure the rules in place are followed, then they instantly lost all moral authority, and ever since then the public have made the rules, the government just announced them.

I think that is a cop out, many people are very angry at Cummings but they didint flout the laws as they care about their families and communities, these people are just selfish twats

[Vanessa]

Ffs, with so many places to go, they all run to the same beach :fist:

[hijaxers]

I'll believe it when I see it, Boris is the third in a line of flawed tory PMs (with him being the most flawed of the bunch so far) and I can't see people voting differently.

We've come to a position in history where people will vote for the tories regardless. I don't think there's any stopping their dominance at this point.

Well i do

[hijaxers]

They are the best

Why on earth would you want to sit in that crowd today

Nutters Cherie 558 parking tickets given out by this afto , i doubt that Bournemouth has ever given that many out in a day before today and they all deserve them !

so not a cheap day out !

[Swan]

I agree with you on this, but when the government defends an advisor over making sure the rules in place are followed, then they instantly lost all moral authority, and ever since then the public have made the rules, the government just announced them.

Yes it's confusing, but again we know there's still a threat, we don't need to hang on every word the Government says, or doesn't say. There is a lot of confusion, but people flocking to beaches in their thousands is just utterly ridiculous. If any of them contract Covid, they only have themselves to blame.

I think that is a cop out, many people are very angry at Cummings but they didint flout the laws as they care about their families and communities, these people are just selfish twats

Yeah i agree with this. Again, all boils down to common sense, which is non existent in this case.

[Ammi]

...this tweet really explains how many of the public seem to be feeling...

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...although many of us might not agree with that thought process, it’s basic psychology and human behaviour, having sacrificed freedoms for so long...with Dominic Cummings it was Boris’ time to show strength but instead he showed weakness and the consequences of that will filter through for a Long time...

[The Slim Reaper]

I think that is a cop out, many people are very angry at Cummings but they didint flout the laws as they care about their families and communities, these people are just selfish twats

I'm one of the people that still hasn't flouted any of the rules, and I'm still going about things as though the rules are a lot stricter, because of family members that would be at severe risk.

You can trace this straight back to Cummings. Within a couple of days the parks were full again. It is a cop out, but the gov gave away their ability to (try and) lead. All the people that thought it was a waste of time and the moaners and complainers went straight back into normal life.

I went to do a bit of shopping today, and I only saw 3 ther people wearing a mask (apart from all the staff).

[arista]

The states that opened up quickly in the USA are really starting to suffer now with huge rises in infected people. Trump has responded by stopping the funding of 13 testing centers including 7 in Texas, one of the worst affected states. I see something similar happening here

Yes that's wrong.


USA Death rate at 122,716

[arista]

Bournemouth was overloaded
people parking in Buss lanes all got tickets.

Everyone demanded to get to the sand and beach
fast.

https://news.sky.com/story/major-incident-declared-in-bournemouth-as-thousands-of-people-flock-to-beaches-12014686

Reported on LBC radio.

[The Slim Reaper]

Ffs, with so many places to go, they all run to the same beach :fist:

I think that misses the point a bit. With this weather, probably not too many beaches on the south coast following social distancing rules.

[hijaxers]

I think that misses the point a bit. With this weather, probably not too many beaches on the south coast following social distancing rules.

Gawd i think we'll be locked in here forever at this rate , i was hopeful but not anymore.

[MTVN]

Tbh if it wasn't good weather a lot of those people would probably be hitting the shops instead in what is an arguably less safe environment, we didn't see a rise in cases from crowded beaches over May Bank Holiday and the virus is in much lower circulation now so I'm not too worried

[bots]

the warm weather hasn't helped them in the southern states in America.

I think some blame can be attached to the way Boris didn't handle Cummings, but the majority of it is that people won't be going for many foreign holidays, so warm days at the seaside need to be savoured

Also, this could take 6-8 weeks before the effects are felt. It takes time to seed infection and have it propagate. We had the virus here in January and it was the end of March before the effects built up, The same could happen from this

[Beso]

Hopefully their parents will sort them all out and make them all self isolate in their bedrooms after this weekend.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbYE5QQWoAQPVd6?format=jpg&name=small

A twitter Remix of the PM 's new plane

[Zizu]

Tbh if it wasn't good weather a lot of those people would probably be hitting the shops instead in what is an arguably less safe environment, we didn't see a rise in cases from crowded beaches over May Bank Holiday and the virus is in much lower circulation now so I'm not too worried



I just don’t understand the mentality of taking your precious wife and kids to an overcrowded beach in the situation we find ourselves in .. and then for loads of people to threaten , intimidate and abuse the council workers as they empty the overflowing litter bins on and near the beach is quite frankly MIND-NUMBING !!


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[arista]

Miami
Mayor says he will now Fine anyone not wearing a Mask

Ref: CNN HD Live

[arista]

Covid 19 Worldwide Deaths
at over 50 mark
nations


USA :122,550
Brazil:54,971
UK :43,314
Italy:34,678
France :29,755
Spain:29,330
Mexico:24,324
India:14,894
Iran: 10,130
Belgium:9,726
Germany :8,940
Peru:8,761
Russia:8,594
Canada:8,556
Netherlands: 6,119
Sweden :5,230
Turkey:5,046
Chile:4,903
China: 4,641
Ecuador:4,343
Pakistan:3,903
Indonesia:2,620
Colombia:2,611
Egypt:2,533
South Africa:2,292
Switzerland:1,958
Ireland:1,727
Bangladesh :1,621
Romania:1,565
Colombia:1,623
Portugal:1,549
Romania:1,565
Iraq:1,437
Saudi Arabia:1,428
Poland:1,412
Philippines :1,212
Argentina:1,124
Ukraine:1,078
Japan :971
Algeria:878
Bolivia:876
Austria:698
Dominican Republic:698
Afghanistan:675
Denmark:603
Guatemala:601
Hungary:577
Sudan:548
Panama:547
Nigeria :542
Moldova:502
Honduras:417
Armenia:397
Belarus: 367
Czechia:345
Kuwait:339
Finland:327
Cameroon:313
Israel :309
United Arab Emirates:308
Yemen:288
South Korea:282
North Macedonia:265
Serbia:264
Norway:249
Morocco:217
Bulgaria:211
Greece:191
Azerbaijan:180
Bosnia: 175
Oman:144
Congo (DRC):142
Kazakhstan:140
Kenya : 132
El Salvador:126
Malaysia :121
Mauritania:116
Mali:113
Luxembourg:110
Slovenia:109
Croatia:107
Qatar:106
Australia:104
Ghana :95
Senegal:94
Haiti:92
Somalia:90
Cuba:85
Ethiopia:81
Lithuania:78
Chad:74
Nicaragua:74
Bahrain:71
Estonia:69
Niger:67
Thailand :58
Cote d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast):58
Sierra Leone:55
Burkina Faso:53
Andorra:52
Djibouti:52
Tajikistan:52
Tunisia:50


Professional Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

USA update from CNN HD


A older one is on page 1

[Nicky91]

Portugal: parts of Lisbon has gone into lockdown again


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[arista]

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[arista]

"Portugal’s image as it struggles to relaunch the vital tourist trade."

Yes they must get on top of the new infections

[arista]

43,414 UK total Covid-19 Deaths


Today Covid-19 total deaths 186

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/8B2ZudL5wnZ9lj10iJujsg/https/media.fyre.co/3LL2qzJtTD2dZhyxZeGG_2706%20Sun.JPG

Coronavirus: Summer holidays abroad to be allowed as UK quarantine rules to be changed

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-summer-holidays-abroad-to-be-allowed-as-uk-quarantine-rules-to-be-changed-12015679

[Ammi]

Boris Johnson's handling of coronavirus crisis to be made into TV series...


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnsons-handling-of-coronavirus-crisis-to-be-made-into-tv-series/ar-BB160ZaF

[Nicky91]

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great news from EU, smart decision from them :clap1: :clap1:

[joeysteele]

Boris Johnson's handling of coronavirus crisis to be made into TV series...


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnsons-handling-of-coronavirus-crisis-to-be-made-into-tv-series/ar-BB160ZaF

If this were to made and it was actually going to be really truthful.

Then were I Johnson, (I thank all powers that be I'm not), I wouldn't want this aired at all.

I was sad to learn he'd got this virus, and frankly I don't think he's fully over it yet.
However it's good he has come through it but he appears to have learned very little from having it

Or he's learned but prefers to stay the deceitful self styled buffoon, than a much needed Statesman.

[arista]

Boris Johnson's handling of coronavirus crisis to be made into TV series...


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnsons-handling-of-coronavirus-crisis-to-be-made-into-tv-series/ar-BB160ZaF


Yes but a bit early to make.

[arista]

1276626426767147008

great news from EU, smart decision from them :clap1: :clap1:


Thats a Big amount of Dollars Lost
Nicky..................

[Nicky91]

Thats a Big amount of Dollars Lost
Nicky..................

health above economy


if only that was also the mindset in the US, they would not be in this big pile of **** right now


also if Dr Fauci's advice was not ignored things would be a lot better in US either, covid would not be gone ok but there wouldn't be as much hospitalisations, cases as there is now (thx to pure stupidity)

[arista]

health above economy


if only that was also the mindset in the US, they would not be in this big pile of **** right now


also if Dr Fauci's advice was not ignored things would be a lot better in US either, covid would not be gone ok but there wouldn't be as much hospitalisations, cases as there is now (thx to pure stupidity)


Yes a Good Doctor in USA

[Nicky91]

also Sanjay Gupta, very good doctor too

[MTVN]

Remember when everyone was lecturing the US on how unfair it was that they banned travel from China and later most of Europe

[arista]

Remember when everyone was lecturing the US on how unfair it was that they banned travel from China and later most of Europe


Yes
he was right to do that early.

[Cherie]

Remember when everyone was lecturing the US on how unfair it was that they banned travel from China and later most of Europe

:joker: ..that was different.......

[caprimint]

Remember when everyone was lecturing the US on how unfair it was that they banned travel from China and later most of Europe
Lol so true

[arista]

Covid-19 Liverpool fans' behaviour 'wholly unacceptable', says club

https://news.sky.com/story/liverpool-fans-behaviour-wholly-unacceptable-says-club-12015852

[bots]

The din of conversation and music that normally fills The Cottonmouth Club in downtown Houston fell silent last Friday when the owners shut it down for a second time during the coronavirus pandemic — a week before the Texas governor ordered all bars to follow suit amid a surge in infections.

Co-owner Michael Neff — questioning what he saw as a rush to reopen by the state and wondering if his industry was making things worse as some bars flouted rules on occupancy limits — said he felt he could no longer provide a safe environment for his staff or customers at the neighborhood bar with a rock ‘n’ roll vibe.

He and his staff had started hearing of workers at other bars getting sick.

“Texas was a terrible, terrible experiment because it experimented with people’s lives and this is where we are,” Neff said.

That ended Friday, with Gov. Greg Abbott’s announcement that bars would again be shuttered, a day after the state reported a record high of nearly 6,000 confirmed cases and on the day that Texas surpassed 5,000 hospitalizations for the first time.

Neff said while he faulted bars that ignored the rules, he also lays blame on local and state officials for what he says was a lack of guidance and support, a lack of a statewide mask order and, until recently, a lack of enforcement.

t’s a sentiment shared by other bar and restaurant owners across the state and beyond who have been deeply hurt financially by anti-virus measures and are also struggling with tough decisions, with some shutting down again after workers became infected or closing as a precaution because of rising cases in their areas.

In a nearly eight-minute video he posted online earlier this month, Neff vented his frustration, beginning with a message directed at Abbott: “You’re leading us to die.”

An email seeking comment from a spokesman for Abbott was not immediately returned Friday. During a news conference Monday, Abbott said the goal has always been to reduce cases and keep people out of hospitals.

“Texans have already shown that we don’t have to choose between jobs and health,” he added. “We can protect Texans’ lives while also restoring their livelihoods.”

From the time bars and clubs in Texas could reopen on May 22 with indoor service, social media has been filled with photos and videos showing packed businesses that were obviously not following rules on capacity and social distancing. But the first operation by the state to suspend the alcohol permits of establishments that ignored rules didn’t happen until a week ago.

In closing bars again on Friday, Abbott said the rise in confirmed cases was “largely driven by certain types of activities, including Texans congregating in bars.” Abbott also ordered restaurants to scale back to half capacity starting Monday.

He added that “every Texan has a responsibility to themselves and their loved ones to wear a mask” — but he has not mandated their use statewide. Last week, he did say cities and counties could order businesses to require that their customers wear masks.

A similar clampdown is happening in several states where confirmed infections are spiking. In some places, owners are doing it voluntarily, as Neff did. On Friday, Florida banned alcohol consumption at bars after confirmed coronavirus cases neared 9,000.

“What we realize is that despite exceeding the required protocols and with very little federal or state guidance, that more needs to be done,” Daniel Wright, the owner of five Cincinnati restaurants and bars that he shut down as a precaution, said in a Facebook post this week.

Houston’s Saint Arnold Brewing Company, which has a popular beer garden that remained mostly closed even before Friday’s order, has also had difficulty navigating what it sees as inconsistent messaging on how to operate, said company spokesman Lennie Ambrose.

“We’re going to follow the laws or the ordinances. But even if something is allowed, maybe that’s not the right thing for Saint Arnold to do from a public health standpoint,” Ambrose said.

That feeling of uncertainty is echoed elsewhere. Sean Kennedy, a spokesman for the National Restaurant Association, said his organization has told officials that the hospitality industry is “just looking for consistency, transparency and forward-looking rules.” The association has pressed local governments to increase efforts to educate customers on their responsibilities when going out, Kennedy said.

An ongoing survey by the Hobby School of Public Affairs at the University of Houston of restaurants and bars in the Austin area found that many are frustrated that the governor has left it up to cities and counties to decide if they would mandate masks, said Mark Jones, one of the research fellows involved in the study.

Neff said he is worried about losing his bar and has worked to find other revenue streams, including selling cocktails to go, starting a podcast and holding a nightly virtual bar livestream. But he said he also feels a responsibility to let people know what went wrong and to help ensure that this doesn’t happen again.

“We are not going to be successful in reopening our economies if we do it the way we’ve been doing it,” he said. “And no one wants that kind of sacrifice both in business and in lives.”


https://apnews.com/71f1065298434bcc56bfa5dc537a8420

I hope we learn from them

[Tom4784]

https://apnews.com/71f1065298434bcc56bfa5dc537a8420

I hope we learn from them

The only thing we seem to be learning from the US are their delusions regarding the virus. I've noticed, at least in my own experience, that people seem to be acting like the virus was a hoax all along. Every time I'm on the bus, there's trouble from someone that's upset they can't use the bus because they don't have a mask and they'll complain about how it's not real and how they don't know anyone that got sick etc.

There's also people I work with who have complained about customers complaining to them saying similar things.

[arista]

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[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8464769/Families-book-summer-getaways-air-bridges-open-travel-operators-slash-prices-70.html

Next week the places are announced
the zones that mean no 14 days quarantine
on return.

[arista]

84 Deaths from Covid-19

Today Total of UK Deaths of Covid-19 : 43,498

[Nicky91]

2 added new deaths here in Netherlands (however those 2 had died last week, only now been added up to the amount) so making it again no new deaths of today or yesterday :love:

now only 25 covid patients remaining at ICU's here too, also very good news

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[arista]

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[The coronavirus 'zombifies' human cells and causes
them to sprout tentacles to spread around the body,
scientists have discovered.
A study led by the University of California
saw researchers take microscopic images
of this process]


[How Covid-19 causes infected human cells
to sprout tentacles loaded with viral venom
to help it spread around the body in a
process scientists call 'sinister'

Study led by University of California saw
researchers take microscopic images
Showed infected human cells
sprouting tentacle-like spikes, known as filopodia
Appears to litter them with viral particles
and 'surf' to healthy cells to infect them]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466195/Pictured-Covid-19-hijacks-human-cells-causes-sprout-TENTACLES.html

[Cherie]

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[The coronavirus 'zombifies' human cells and causes
them to sprout tentacles to spread around the body,
scientists have discovered.
A study led by the University of California
saw researchers take microscopic images
of this process]


[How Covid-19 causes infected human cells
to sprout tentacles loaded with viral venom
to help it spread around the body in a
process scientists call 'sinister'

Study led by University of California saw
researchers take microscopic images
Showed infected human cells
sprouting tentacle-like spikes, known as filopodia
Appears to litter them with viral particles
and 'surf' to healthy cells to infect them]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466195/Pictured-Covid-19-hijacks-human-cells-causes-sprout-TENTACLES.html

Creepy

[Zizu]

I’m hearing so many cases of long term / permanent damage to lungs , kidneys and brain .. this is a very scary virus .


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[joeysteele]

I’m hearing so many cases of long term / permanent damage to lungs , kidneys and brain .. this is a very scary virus .


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It's devastating.
I lost a friend who was a Nurse to it.

What they'd witnessed as to what this virus does, left her filled with fear.
She was in tears after her shifts thinking of all they'd had to deal with that day or night.

Some dismiss this as a bad flu.
No way is it.
It is like something out a horror movie if it gets a real hold on people.

Awful, just awful.

[Nicky91]

I’m hearing so many cases of long term / permanent damage to lungs , kidneys and brain .. this is a very scary virus .


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yes same here in Netherlands, also quite a few reports of people who have recovered, who had for a longer amount of time still damage to lungs, trouble breathing etc

would also be helpful if Boris could share his experiences more, and also after he recovered, if he still has trouble breathing, damage to lungs

my point is, spreading awareness of how dangerous the virus is to the public is good in making people realize they need to stick to the rules, need to think like maybe i need to wear a mask for protection, or also thinking like keeping my distances from elderly relatives whilst visiting, so more spending time together with 2 metres apart outside for example

[Samm]

Yes
he was right to do that early.

Remember when everyone was lecturing the US on how unfair it was that they banned travel from China and later most of Europe

Remember how the UK never checked for arrivals?

Remember that the US is currently exploding with coronavirus cases?

[MTVN]

Sure but I was just commenting on how much attitudes to border closures have changed

If anything the US should have closed off travel from Europe earlier but it didn't stop the EU kicking up a fuss when they did do it only for them now to impose the same restriction on the States

[Nicky91]

Sure but I was just commenting on how much attitudes to border closures have changed

If anything the US should have closed off travel from Europe earlier but it didn't stop the EU kicking up a fuss when they did do it only for them now to impose the same restriction on the States

yeah but Trump was all thinking ''economy first'' which was a huge mistake

if anything now, i can see borders between states also being a topic of if they should be closed or not, since the virus is now more in south, southwest of the country, just saying that could be an idea to prevent spreading the virus Nationwide again, since some had been improving like New York, New Jersey for example who had just been getting out of a peak

[arista]

For Samm

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[Oliver_W]

For Samm

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That's actually a pretty good comparison :laugh: I'd be surprised if no journos at all have scathingly made it yet.

[arista]

Leicester could become first city to
suffer second lockdown within days after fresh spike in coronavirus cases]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8467565/Leicester-city-suffer-second-lockdown.html

[Zizu]

yes same here in Netherlands, also quite a few reports of people who have recovered, who had for a longer amount of time still damage to lungs, trouble breathing etc



would also be helpful if Boris could share his experiences more, and also after he recovered, if he still has trouble breathing, damage to lungs



my point is, spreading awareness of how dangerous the virus is to the public is good in making people realize they need to stick to the rules, need to think like maybe i need to wear a mask for protection, or also thinking like keeping my distances from elderly relatives whilst visiting, so more spending time together with 2 metres apart outside for example



LBC had a super fit female triathlon/ Ironman athlete on a few days she was stricken down very quickly.. back off a training run felt great then an hour later was already dreadfully poorly ..even more worryingly 7 weeks later she’s still not back to training ..


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[Zizu]

All I know is if you lot are moving down to one metre then I’m moving UP to three !!


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[bots]

Staff at US President Donald Trump's rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma earlier this month removed stickers intended to maintain distance between attendees, the Washington Post has reported.

A video obtained by the newspaper shows workers removing stickers placed on seats and designed to ensure that the crowd followed social distancing measures.

[arista]

Staff at US President Donald Trump's rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma earlier this month removed stickers intended to maintain distance between attendees, the Washington Post has reported.

A video obtained by the newspaper shows workers removing stickers placed on seats and designed to ensure that the crowd followed social distancing measures.


Yes on CNN HD all day

[arista]

36 UK Covid-19 deaths


Total for UK : 43,550

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The PM was Live on the new Times Radio DAB

Like the BBC Radio 4/5
Studios News Channels up high with subtitles

[arista]

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[arista]

The Leicester Mayor
Was Live on SkyNewsHD Adam Boulton

He is refusing the Government measures
Have sent measures to not go ahead with the
4th of July in Leicester.


He has No Evidence
that Leicester needs a lockdown

[Cherie]

The Leicester Mayor
Was Live on SkyNewsHD Adam Boulton

He is refusing the Government measures
Have sent measures to not go ahead with the
4th of July in Leicester.


He has No Evidence
that Leicester needs a lockdown

Wasn't he on Sky yesterday saying Leicester was suffering a spike and might need a local lockdown :shrug:

[user104658]

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0 deaths in Scotland several days this week, only 5 people in ICU across the country. Are we going to have to close the border at some point? I'm not even being flippant here - we have family in England I have a genuine concern at the moment that Scotland is well on top of this and England is at real risk of a heavy 2nd wave, and travel across the border for the foreseeable future is going to be simply reckless?

[bots]

0 deaths in Scotland several days this week, only 5 people in ICU across the country. Are we going to have to close the border at some point? I'm not even being flippant here - we have family in England I have a genuine concern at the moment that Scotland is well on top of this and England is at real risk of a heavy 2nd wave, and travel across the border for the foreseeable future is going to be simply reckless?

It's impossible to keep a handle on covid without having serious restrictions in place, but that will affect Scotland's economy massively. Will they allow an edinburgh festival next year? Will they allow people to enter the country without quarantine? If they insist on quarantine it will put them at a distinct economic disadvantage

Difficult decisions can't be avoided forever

[Cherie]

By all accounts London is doing well also, but there are regional spikes but if Mayors refuse to lock down what can be done?

[user104658]

By all accounts London is doing well also, but there are regional spikes but if Mayors refuse to lock down what can be done?

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[arista]

Wasn't he on Sky yesterday saying Leicester was suffering a spike and might need a local lockdown :shrug:


Yes but now all the Pubs
and local firms
are contacting the Mayor of Leicester
he is refusing to talk to the Government , now.


I assume its one area (not thole city)
near the Food factory or something


In Germany (near a Food factory)
they fenced them all inside their flats.
They got angry ,but Police stood by the fences

[user104658]

I think the smallest lockdown that has any chance of staying civil is regional, if they try to shut down cities or worse, sections of cities, things will sour fast.

To lockdown Leicester they need to quarantine the whole of the East Midlands :shrug:.

[bots]

if they see a spike in an area and don't have the data to narrow it down, they need to lock down a region, that's the only way to contain it. It's going to be fun when London is affected which it surely will be

[Nicky91]

yes, in Germany it is no longer national, but more locally still having few peaks of covid cases whom are immediately quarantined

they can be angry for sure, but it is of high importance they stay isolated from rest of the country for 2 weeks at least



meanwhile in rest of country where it is ''corona-free'' or lesser at the moment they went to beaches again (although criticism there too from doctors, medical experts who see the regulations aren't in place at all times)

[arista]

I think the smallest lockdown that has any chance of staying civil is regional, if they try to shut down cities or worse, sections of cities, things will sour fast.

To lockdown Leicester they need to quarantine the whole of the East Midlands :shrug:.


No its one Zone of it
all the poor workers
Fence them Off


Like Germany did
Deliver the Food free.

[arista]

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[bots]

The UK national debt is now £2 000 000 000 000 and rising ... let that sink in :laugh:

[user104658]

The UK national debt is now £2 000 000 000 000 and rising ... let that sink in :laugh:

To be fair, that's only just now hitting 100% of GDP (when total debt equals total GDP) which many western nations hit decades ago. The US hit 100% GDP 9 years ago. Some are far in excess.

If you were to put it in "individual" terms (which you can't really do; it's a clunky comparison), it's like a person with a £50k salary having £50k of debt, which is neither unusual nor worrying.

Also, you worry about paying national debt when economies are booming, and try not to get too anxious about it when things are tight - again similar to personal finances. When you're in crisis you shouldn't sit there fretting about bills - you should just remember to actually start paying them when things are good. That's the part that was overlooked last time. When the economy was surging, we didn't make efforts to reduct debt OR increase productivity. In individual terms, we spashed our excess income on holidays and take-aways. We neeed to remember to NOT do that next time the graphs start heading upwards.

We don't need to start taking debt-reducing efforts during a financial and health crisis. It's not a pressing concern.

[joeysteele]

To be fair, that's only just now hitting 100% of GDP (when total debt equals total GDP) which many western nations hit decades ago. The US hit 100% GDP 9 years ago. Some are far in excess.

If you were to put it in "individual" terms (which you can't really do; it's a clunky comparison), it's like a person with a £50k salary having £50k of debt, which is neither unusual nor worrying.

Also, you worry about paying national debt when economies are booming, and try not to get too anxious about it when things are tight - again similar to personal finances. When you're in crisis you shouldn't sit there fretting about bills - you should just remember to actually start paying them when things are good. That's the part that was overlooked last time. When the economy was surging, we didn't make efforts to reduct debt OR increase productivity. In individual terms, we spashed our excess income on holidays and take-aways. We neeed to remember to NOT do that next time the graphs start heading upwards.

We don't need to start taking debt-reducing efforts during a financial and health crisis. It's not a pressing concern.

I agree with all that.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/dutch-coronavirus-tracing-app-will-undergo-trials-in-twente/

dutch coronavirus tracing app will undergo trials in Twente

[Cherie]

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Hasnt Nicky got her hand out already :hehe:

[user104658]

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There's actually emerging evidence that Japan's "mask culture" really has helped to mostly nip each little outbreak in the bud there. In the bigger cities, it's just something they do by default as soon as they start coughing. Plus the SARS scares in Japan and SK ended up helping them this time round. Test & Trace only works at low infection levels, so could only work when the infrastructure for it already existed from the outset... there wasn't a realistic way for the UK to have an effective tracing system up and running before the numbers were too high for it to be usable.

Of course, we're now getting towards the point where one WOULD be usable but still haven't managed to set up an effective one... so that's a separate problem.

[Nicky91]

Vietnam had virus eliminated after no deaths (few miracle recoveries there, those people who still have trouble breathing, very damaged lungs but can now at least breathe on their own without usage of ventilator)

Greenland had virus eliminated after no deaths (but had only 11 infected whom were immediately quarantined and successfully treated)

[arista]

Vietnam had virus eliminated after no deaths (few miracle recoveries there, those people who still have trouble breathing, very damaged lungs but can now at least breathe on their own without usage of ventilator)

Greenland had virus eliminated after no deaths (but had only 11 infected whom were immediately quarantined and successfully treated)


On Vietnam
they had Sars
so to be fair, they were ready for it

[arista]

Right its East Leicester
that needs fencing off.

An MP from that Zone
just said She has had to close a Supermarket
Food Factory and other places

Live on radio 4 news


Fencing worked in Germany.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Boris also said this morning that Weston-super-mare was in a lockdown and it was going well, unfortunately someone forgot to tell the people living there as they had no idea.

[arista]

Boris also said this morning that Weston-super-mare was in a lockdown and it was going well, unfortunately someone forgot to tell the people living there as they had no idea.


Yes he is in error

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes he is in error

:shocked:

[Cherie]

I think he meant the hospital not taking any further patients when staff were ill

[Cherie]

Right its East Leicester
that needs fencing off.

An MP from that Zone
just said She has had to close a Supermarket
Food Factory and other places

Live on radio 4 news


Fencing worked in Germany.

Fence them off and throw food over the barbed wire :laugh:

[arista]

Fence them off and throw food over the barbed wire :laugh:

No a Truck drives in with Food Boxes
Free.

Police/ Army Guard fences
24/7

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