Coronavirus Outbreak

[arista]

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[bots]

We will apparently get more news at a press conference this morning at 11am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54229845

[joeysteele]

Well, have to wait and see what's said.
However certainly in part, perhaps a harder line ought to have been taken with Johnson over the virus and lockdown easing measures.

They looked gloomy as he was announcing the first and then more.
However said little at the time.

They must have a bad outlook for it, to be doing it alone.
Then this week Universities returning too.
There's more potential to add to risks.
Anyhow, have to wait to see what the new words are going to be as to this now.

[Strictly Jake]

It concerns me that its at 11am rather then the usual tea time. To me that says measures are going to be in place from tomorrow. That said its in lockdown where i am from tomorrow anyway

[bots]

they didn't make any mention of Boris attending, just the medical people, so my guess would be that they will show some graphs showing it's getting worse, then they will suggest measures that could be taken. Then, either later today or tomorrow Boris will set it in stone. They are still arguing about it in cabinet. If i were to guess it will be limits on travel, and shielding will be re-introduced. Activities related to school and work will be maintained

[user104658]

Different countries doing different things both in terms of lockdown, and PPE/social distincing... All tracking essentially the same graph curves with very few exceptions.

As always I'll comply with what we're asked to do but my feeling is that we're grasping at straws with a lot of this stuff, "circuit breaker" lockdowns, etc... and the drop over summer was simply because viruses drop off in summer months as standard.

[bots]

Different countries doing different things both in terms of lockdown, and PPE/social distincing... All tracking essentially the same graph curves with very few exceptions.

As always I'll comply with what we're asked to do but my feeling is that we're grasping at straws with a lot of this stuff, "circuit breaker" lockdowns, etc... and the drop over summer was simply because viruses drop off in summer months as standard.

We should protect the old and vulnerable as much as we can through shielding and let the rest of the population get on with it i think. Build up some community immunity and the problem will largely resolve itself. A sort of gentle form of herd immunity

[Nicky91]

We should protect the old and vulnerable as much as we can through shielding and let the rest of the population get on with it i think. Build up some community immunity and the problem will largely resolve itself. A sort of gentle form of herd immunity

no since youth can't obey rules on their own, we need to order those vile superspreaders to stay home

getting youth off the streets makes it a more safe place for old and vulnerable if they want to go to supermarket

[AnnieK]

We should protect the old and vulnerable as much as we can through shielding and let the rest of the population get on with it i think. Build up some community immunity and the problem will largely resolve itself. A sort of gentle form of herd immunity

I completely agree with this.

[arista]

We will apparently get more news at a press conference this morning at 11am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54229845



Yes but Whitty and Vallance
will not take questions, though

[arista]

One easy rule they could bring in
is Every Pub must close at 10PM.

[arista]

Tomorrow we get the PM.
Today in a min it's Live without any MP's

Just Vallance & Whitty.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/21/11/33431196-8755321-image-a-14_1600682731648.jpg
They were Live behind a desk.

Even on ITV1HD "this morning"



Showing a new increase in Deaths in Spain and France,
on a Graph.

As a warning to the UK.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/21/10/article-8753519-33430080-353_964x544.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8753519/Downing-Street-threatens-shut-bars-let-people-dont-customers-details.html

[joeysteele]

Calling for quick action they say.

I wonder if Johnson and co are hearing that.
Even if they still aren't actually LISTENING properly.

[The Slim Reaper]

Who's made a killing?

Expect there are more wealthy people who have lost a huge amount of money from the pandemic than there are those who've profited from it

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18516290.uk-billionaires-see-personal-wealth-grow-25bn-pandemic-lockdown/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/03/billionaires-pandemic-giving-super-rich

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/jul/16/family-fortunes-of-wealthy-increase-as-super-rich-ride-coronavirus-storm

I mean if we want to break it down to individuals, then no doubt some have lost out, but as a group, the wealthiest individuals in the world have increased their wealth, and the wealth gap has increased.

Let's say that they've all lost 10% of their wealth across the board, are you arguing that balancing budgets on the poor is the right move, after a decade of austerity? Putting money in the hands of low income/poor people is the quickest way to stimulate local economies as any money they get goes straight into local businesses.

[bots]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18516290.uk-billionaires-see-personal-wealth-grow-25bn-pandemic-lockdown/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/03/billionaires-pandemic-giving-super-rich

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/jul/16/family-fortunes-of-wealthy-increase-as-super-rich-ride-coronavirus-storm

I mean if we want to break it down to individuals, then no doubt some have lost out, but as a group, the wealthiest individuals in the world have increased their wealth, and the wealth gap has increased.

Let's say that they've all lost 10% of their wealth across the board, are you arguing that balancing budgets on the poor is the right move, after a decade of austerity? Putting money in the hands of low income/poor people is the quickest way to stimulate local economies as any money they get goes straight into local businesses.


different sectors have done better than others of course. For example computers and technology got a massive boost from people working from home. Hand sanitisers, masks etc have seen a boost ... that was completely expected. People see changes in the market, and those that move quickly can take advantage of it ... that is a normal market economy.

You can always find examples to suit any narrative, so providing single examples is meaningless.

[bots]

After that press conference, there are going to be further restrictions, thats a given. Shutting the pubs an hour earlier is not going to cut it

[The Slim Reaper]

different sectors have done better than others of course. For example computers and technology got a massive boost from people working from home. Hand sanitisers, masks etc have seen a boost ... that was completely expected. People see changes in the market, and those that move quickly can take advantage of it ... that is a normal market economy.

You can always find examples to suit any narrative, so providing single examples is meaningless.

I mean, I actually point out that that individuals will win and lose, but as a group the wealth gap has increased. Anyone want to answer whether trying to balance the books on the poor is either the right approach or moral?

[arista]

The reason why we have low Death rates
is due to 20-30year olds getting Covid-19.



Ref:LBC

[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

i worked for Serco for a little while a long time ago and they were grim then :laugh:

[Nicky91]

if only more youth were like me :bored:

then we would see huge decreases in new cases again, if no one goes unnecessary partying, drinking

[arista]

Perfect for Slim a Long Docu' 7PM tonight

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[The Slim Reaper]

Perfect for Slim a Long Docu' 7PM tonight

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I didn't know about it, but I'll definitely watch. Cheers.

[The Slim Reaper]

i worked for Serco for a little while a long time ago and they were grim then :laugh:

I don't think tea-boys really contribute much :smug:





I feel all powerful dismissing low level workers. Think I'll vote tory from now on :fist:

[Cherie]

They seem cautiously optimistic about a vaccine by Spring?

[Nicky91]

They seem cautiously optimistic about a vaccine by Spring?

what about the quick testing thing? is this something also being considered in UK, Ireland?

[bots]

I don't think tea-boys really contribute much :smug:





I feel all powerful dismissing low level workers. Think I'll vote tory from now on :fist:

if you knew what i was responsible for while i was there you would have Nicky marching me off to face the firing squad :smug:

[The Slim Reaper]

if you knew what i was responsible for while i was there you would have Nicky marching me off to face the firing squad :smug:

I haven't ruled it out, even without knowing what you did :smug:

[user104658]

They seem cautiously optimistic about a vaccine by Spring?That's just the point at which they have a working, tested vaccine in the lab. It'll take 6+ months (probably a year) to get from that point to full mass production.

[user104658]

if you knew what i was responsible for while i was there you would have Nicky marching me off to face the firing squad :smug:Nicky IS the firing squad.

[The Slim Reaper]

:smug:

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[bots]

crazy. I guess the good news is that they will all be super fit from all the cycling to the testing center and therefore in better shape to deal with the virus

[Zizu]

The reason why we have low Death rates
is due to 20-30year olds getting Covid-19.



Ref:LBC



Yep that was always going to be the case ... as I’ve said previously — the trouble starts from now on as the infected under 30’s pass it on to their parents/ grandparents, older friends ..


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[The Slim Reaper]

crazy. I guess the good news is that they will all be super fit from all the cycling to the testing center and therefore in better shape to deal with the virus

And think of the money we'll save on eye tests, travelling that far.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Is there a 2nd lockdown yet

[bots]

i think Boris will be putting his mind to thinking up a new name for a lockdown

- winter calming
- frosty fortnight
- moonshot
- stay home and eat in

[The Slim Reaper]

i think Boris will be putting his mind to





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[arista]

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The Health Secretary went live at 10AM
on ITV1HD
Cock' said nothing new

[The Slim Reaper]

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The Health Secretary went live at 10AM
on ITV1HD
Cock' said nothing new

Killing the elderly and poor?

[bots]

1307970287942676480

The Health Secretary went live at 10AM
on ITV1HD
Cock' said nothing new

was he talking out his ass as usual?

[Cherie]

what about the quick testing thing? is this something also being considered in UK, Ireland?

Dont know but they should be if not

[Strictly Jake]

Loved when phil asked hancock whether people would be socialising in pubs this weekend and he couldnt answer. It was a clear no and a big indication of boris plans tomorrow

[Strictly Jake]

Also can people stop blaming young people. Its old people who dont seem to be understanding social distancing. Every shop im in they ram up my ass!!!!

[Nicky91]

Also can people stop blaming young people. Its old people who dont seem to be understanding social distancing. Every shop im in they ram up my ass!!!!

well young people make news headlines with their illegal partying though

a factor in why they more get the blame


also ironic that old people don't understand this when this virus affects them most along with those who got other medical conditions

but i do not blame elderly for wanting to keep going to the shops (i mean otherwise they are in their homes all day long doing nothing, and being bored)


but agree Jake, last thing we need is start blaming each other

[arista]

was he talking out his ass as usual?


Yes he was.

[arista]

[Coronavirus: PM to chair emergency COBRA meeting tomorrow
ahead of statement on pandemic
Boris Johnson is expected to announce
new measures designed to curb the number
of COVID-19 infections.]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pm-to-chair-emergency-cobra-meeting-tomorrow-ahead-of-statement-on-pandemic-12077942


Sir Keir is live from 11AM

So this PM needs to go live tomorrow after 10AM?

[Nicky91]

Netherlands latest numbers

2.223 new cases highest amount since begin of June

27 new hospitalisations

2 new deaths

[Nicky91]

and again most new cases are from Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20200921/munich-tightens-coronavirus-mask-rules-and-contact-restrictions

update from Germany, Munich tightens coronavirus mask rules and contact restrictions


https://www.thelocal.de/20200921/fever-outpatient-clinics-german-health-minister-proposes-new-coronavirus-strategy

and here a article about a new coronavirus strategy by German health minister ''fever outpatient clinics''

[arista]

4,368 New Cases of Covid-19 in the UK
just announced


And Wales has locked down 4 zones.

[arista]

[Coronavirus: PM to chair emergency COBRA meeting tomorrow
ahead of statement on pandemic
Boris Johnson is expected to announce
new measures designed to curb the number
of COVID-19 infections.]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pm-to-chair-emergency-cobra-meeting-tomorrow-ahead-of-statement-on-pandemic-12077942


Sir Keir is live from 11AM

So this PM needs to go live tomorrow after 10AM?



First time for months
Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland
Also the Mayor of London
are on Zoom or Skype to the COBRA meeting.

[arista]

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[user104658]

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The GBP are going to be FURIOUS. Some Scampi Fries will be thrown at the telly at my local tonight, let me tell you.

[Nicky91]

closing pubs will very likely anger certain people i agree TS

[bots]

if they close pubs, people will just meet up elsewhere, probably in a lot less safe environment. People are at their limits in accepting restrictions, and this may well be the straw that breaks the camels back

[arista]

if they close pubs, people will just meet up elsewhere, probably in a lot less safe environment. People are at their limits in accepting restrictions, and this may well be the straw that breaks the camels back



Of course Private Party for the youngers - who do not care.........


Maybe it could be all pubs to close at 10PM.

[bots]

Do you really think closing the pubs an hour earlier is going to drop the numbers of infections Arista? I don't

[arista]

Do you really think closing the pubs an hour earlier is going to drop the numbers of infections Arista? I don't


Yes it may not help that much

[Kizzy]

That Tim wotsit the wetherspoons guy has been quiet lately, his crappy pubs are a breeding ground for many things covid included.

[Scarlett.]

Also can people stop blaming young people. Its old people who dont seem to be understanding social distancing. Every shop im in they ram up my ass!!!!

It's idiots of all ages, to be fair :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

That Tim wotsit the wetherspoons guy has been quiet lately, his crappy pubs are a breeding ground for many things covid included.

I read something a couple of weeks ago, that around 70 of his bar workers had contracted covid.

[Kizzy]

I read something a couple of weeks ago, that around 70 of his bar workers had contracted covid.

Yep I saw that and that's just the ones reported, if you want a source for regional outbreaks in inner cities my guess would be start there.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yep I saw that and that's just the ones reported, if you want a source for regional outbreaks in inner cities my guess would be start there.

Especially when you throw in the Galahad, anti-mask patronage of those places. Absolute breeding ground.

[The Slim Reaper]

Vote tory, get tories.

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[MTVN]

70 cases amongst 43,000 Wetherspoons employees :think:

I think a 10pm curfew would be quite effective. It puts an end to the 'big night out' which a lot of people seem to have been returning to city centres for recently and stops people drinking to excess

[The Slim Reaper]

70 bar staff (employee numbers represent different staffing positions) exchanging money with customers, holding the same surfaces, talking in close proximity. 70 infected bar staff isn't about those 70, it's about who they spread it to, who in turn then spread it on again, and again, etc.

Already scrapped the tracing part of track and trace.

[MTVN]

70 bar staff (employee numbers represent different staffing positions) exchanging money with customers, holding the same surfaces, talking in close proximity. 70 infecte bar staff isn't about those 70, it's about who they spread it to, who in turn then spread it on again, and again, etc.

Already scrapped the tracing part of track and trace.

No different to infections that have happened in any other customer facing industry which has happened all over, seems to be a bit of a snobbish attitude that because its Wetherspoons they must have not been taking any precautions although I think big chains are often a lot better at implementing the correct procedures

Last I heard track and trace were still reaching the majority of contacts and people were complying with isolating. Good news that the track and trace app is also launching this Thursday

[The Slim Reaper]

No different to infections that have happened in any other customer facing industry which has happened all over, seems to be a bit of a snobbish attitude that because its Wetherspoons they must have not been taking any precautions although I think big chains are often a lot better at implementing the correct procedures

Last I heard track and trace were still reaching the majority of contacts and people were complying with isolating. Good news that the track and trace app is also launching this Thursday

That app is launching without trace.

I hold my hands up to the snobbish attitude towards weatherperspoons in general, but lets not pretend tim martin wouldn't have happily kept his pubs open throughout saying "you can't get covid in bars". He'd happily have killed loads of people if his bars would have remained open.

I read earlier that the app was without trace, but just read the gov said it will have trace so you were correct on that.

[MTVN]

That app is launching without trace.

I hold my hands up to the snobbish attitude towards weatherperspoons in general, but lets not pretend tim martin wouldn't have happily kept his pubs open throughout saying "you can't get covid in bars". He'd happily have killed loads of people if his bars would have remained open.

I read earlier that the app was without trace, but just read the gov said it will have trace so you were correct on that.

Yeah I saw there was some confusion with that earlier with some contradictory briefings going on

[Kizzy]

It will be interesting to see if the death rate correlates to the rate of infection, I'm with the theory there is more than one strain and hopefully the more deadly one is not the one currently rising exponentially.

[Zizu]

It will be interesting to see if the death rate correlates to the rate of infection, I'm with the theory there is more than one strain and hopefully the more deadly one is not the one currently rising exponentially.



I’m convinced that the severity of your illness is directly linked to the size of the virus load you are in contact with ..


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[Kizzy]

I’m convinced that the severity of your illness is directly linked to the size of the virus load you are in contact with ..


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Oh yes that too without a doubt, however some asymptomatic and others dying within hours?... surely that can't be the exact same thing? Regardless of age/dose that's extreme.

[user104658]

It will be interesting to see if the death rate correlates to the rate of infection, I'm with the theory there is more than one strain and hopefully the more deadly one is not the one currently rising exponentially.

I'm sure they've identified "for certain" that there are two main strains, the first one in China was more severe but spread less easily (which would, if true, explain why China was able to stop the spread more effectively even with their huge population) ... the other strain is the one that is thought to have mutated in Europe (probably Italy) and actually is the milder strain - fewer severe cases and deaths per case but spreads from person to person much more easily. But that's already thought to be the one that has infected most of Europe, the US, and pretty much everywhere outside of East Asia.

[user104658]

Oh yes that too without a doubt, however some asymptomatic and others dying within hours?... surely that can't be the exact same thing? Regardless of age/dose that's extreme.

It's just viruses in general :shrug:. I was actually reading earlier that there was a (tiny) Ebola virus outbreak in the US a few years ago, just 4 cases identified and they were all asymptomatic. And Ebola has like a 60% death rate and melts people's eyeballs, so...

[Ammi]

Panic-buying recommences in supermarkets as second lockdown speculation mounts...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/panic-buying-recommences-supermarkets-second-153612282.html

[bots]

All pubs, bars, restaurants and other hospitality venues in England must have a 22:00 BST closing time from Thursday, to help curb the spread of coronavirus.

The sector will also be restricted by law to table service only.

The measures will be set out by the prime minister in Parliament before an address to the nation to be broadcast live at 20:00 on Tuesday.

It comes as the UK's Covid-19 alert level moves to 4, meaning transmission is "high or rising exponentially".

The government's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance warned there could be 50,000 new coronavirus cases a day by mid-October without further action - which, he said, could lead to more than 200 deaths per day by mid-November.

On Monday, a further 4,368 daily cases and 11 deaths were reported in the UK. There were 3,899 cases reported on Sunday.

[bots]

Panic-buying recommences in supermarkets as second lockdown speculation mounts...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/panic-buying-recommences-supermarkets-second-153612282.html

*rushes to put toilet roll on ebay*

[Kizzy]

So both strains are floating about obv... there's no way there would be a lockdown proposed for something that only renders the majority asymptomatic.
It must to be to prevent the more aggressive strain mutating and being as easily transmitted as the 2nd.

[Cherie]

Panic-buying recommences in supermarkets as second lockdown speculation mounts...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/panic-buying-recommences-supermarkets-second-153612282.html

Surely supermarkets should be on top of this now :bored:

Anyhoo we are not locking down and even if we were the supermarkets won’t close, what is wrong with these cloth for brains people

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

The guy on the train is an MP... not a real person, an MP! Nobody in Westminster actually has to abide by any pleb rules, don't you know anything?

[arista]

The guy on the train is an MP... not a real person, an MP! Nobody in Westminster actually has to abide by any pleb rules, don't you know anything?



Yes a Conservative

[arista]

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[bots]

i just don't see the logic in closing pubs an hour earlier to reduce the number of infections. People are still travelling to and from the pub and socialising which, to me would be the fundamental points where infection could occur :huh:

[arista]

PM Johnson is Live at 12:30PM
today giving out the New Restrictions.
In Parliament.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20200921/take-coronavirus-seriously-berlin-mum-makes-plea-after-30-days-in-coma

Take Coronavirus seriously, Berlin mum makes plea after 30 days in a coma

[joeysteele]

It doesn't sound like it's going to be a shutdown of sorts.
I never thought I'd agree with Edwina Currie, yet she pointed out pubs always used to close around 10pm or so.
Weren't open all day.
Also Sundays only opened shorter times if at all in some areas.

Sometimes, when I hear from those much older than myself, my family, and reading up on life pre and post the war, particularly post the second world war.

It seems to me looking back.
In those periods, 50s and 60s moreso.

We seemed to have the answers to what was better for things arising.
While here now, we've gone back to the questions.
Struggling to come up with any relevantly better answers now too.

What I hope to hear, since the worry is that this virus is possibly, not certain, to take off even more dangerously again.
Just what is Johnson and this worrying at the very least, government.
What are they intending to do to ensure the fullest protection of the most vulnerable and elderly.
Oh better add, before the critics fly in, nitpicking my words, protection for those vulnerable and elderly WHO WANT the fullest protection.

They took the aid away when ending shielding the vulnerable and elderly had in place from government.
Are they now going to put that back in place, FOR those who WANT it to be and/ or NEED it.

[bots]

the vulnerable need to be shielded if they want to keep the hospitalisations and deaths under control. To me it seems so obvious. It doesn't matter what the young are doing if the vulnerable are shielded properly

[user104658]

The panic buying...

...I was at tesco two days ago and I ****ing KNEWE it was suspicious that there were no Heinz Baked Beans! They're usually in a massive "stack" because they don't come in multipacks any more, and the space where that stack lives was a big empty space. I was like "lol reminds me of when everyone was panic buying toilet roll, beans and pasta".

Turns out someone probably DID panic buy all the damn beans :fist:.

[Ammi]

The panic buying...

...I was at tesco two days ago and I ****ing KNEWE it was suspicious that there were no Heinz Baked Beans! They're usually in a massive "stack" because they don't come in multipacks any more, and the space where that stack lives was a big empty space. I was like "lol reminds me of when everyone was panic buying toilet roll, beans and pasta".

Turns out someone probably DID panic buy all the damn beans :fist:.

...all the damn beans...the filthy cowboys in their planned camp outs...

[joeysteele]

Well they can panic buy beans all they like.
I detest beans with a passion.
Would never eat them.

[Liam-]

Well they can panic buy beans all they like.
I detest beans with a passion.
Would never eat them.

Your full English must be so dry :omgno:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: our minister of foreign affairs has put parts of Czech Republic and places in France as Code Orange negative travel advice

france's regions which are listed as that are: Aveyron, Indre et Loire, Bas-Rhin, Haute-Marne, Maurthe et Moselle, Landes, Marne, Seine Maritime, Tarn, Vienne

[user104658]

Well they can panic buy beans all they like.
I detest beans with a passion.
Would never eat them.

Today it's beans, Joey... tomorrow we'll all be back to wiping our arses with the Daily Mail :bawling:.

[user104658]

In fact to pre-empt this new panic buying craze, I'm off out today to buy a few hundred rolls of Cushelle.

You know what they say. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again!

[Lewismacfarlane]

Big announcement tonight

[Nicky91]

yes lewis, new measures will be announced

[user104658]

Watch them ban travel when I have a 4 day trip planned to the same place I had to cancel when they announced the first travel ban. FFS.

[Nicky91]

i had been comparing to first SARS outbreak, that one was also very horrible, awful yet in certain countries not mentioned much on news, i mean me and my parents weren't aware at all back then about the virus, and we just went to america on holiday, when we had landed we were made aware since they announced ''we might have a suspected SARS case on board, remain in your seats until we give the green light to leave''


difference i feel like between then and now is social media being more used now

[joeysteele]

Your full English must be so dry :omgno:

I never eat a full English.
I'm vegetarian anyway.

I've hated beans though since having beans on toast as a kid.
Ugh it was awful.:joker:

[joeysteele]

Today it's beans, Joey... tomorrow we'll all be back to wiping our arses with the Daily Mail :bawling:.

I wouldn't even do that with the Daily Mail TS.:joker:
Wouldn't even pick my dogs mess up with that vile publication.

I just long for the day it's out of print for good.

[user104658]

I never eat a full English.
I'm vegetarian anyway.

I've hated beans though since having beans on toast as a kid.
Ugh it was awful.:joker:

Mmmmm sloppy toast covered in bean juice.

[user104658]

I wouldn't even do that with the Daily Mail TS.:joker:
Wouldn't even pick my dogs mess up with that vile publication.

I just long for the day it's out of print for good.

I actually find The Sun even more sinister, but yes they can all go :fist:

[AnnieK]

I never eat a full English.
I'm vegetarian anyway.

I've hated beans though since having beans on toast as a kid.
Ugh it was awful.:joker:

I'm with you on the beans thing Joey...:yuk:

[arista]

The panic buying...

...I was at tesco two days ago and I ****ing KNEWE it was suspicious that there were no Heinz Baked Beans! They're usually in a massive "stack" because they don't come in multipacks any more, and the space where that stack lives was a big empty space. I was like "lol reminds me of when everyone was panic buying toilet roll, beans and pasta".

Turns out someone probably DID panic buy all the damn beans :fist:.


Yes the buggers

[joeysteele]

I actually find The Sun even more sinister, but yes they can all go :fist:

I try to avoid recognising the existence of the Sun TS.

It beats me why people waste hundreds of pounds yearly on these trash publications.

[joeysteele]

I'm with you on the beans thing Joey...:yuk:

I even hate seeing them just on a plate Annie.

[user104658]

I even hate seeing them just on a plate Annie.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/66/18/be/6618be2a04859eb16b77fdea5e98d17f.jpg

[arista]

Johnson is doing a pre-recorded
Message to the nation at 8PM tonight


All Out Politics Live
SkyNewsHD


ITV1HD has it ready for 8PM
there saying is short just 5mins.

[joeysteele]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/66/18/be/6618be2a04859eb16b77fdea5e98d17f.jpg

That's like something out of a horror movie TS.:joker:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EidHoAeWoAI3OO-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

1308108331668697089

Last night Ch4HDnews in Wales Live
a local pony does not like the invasion of its field.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1308124262516035585

Miss Ursula had a discussion with their special advisor on Covid-19 about evolution of the pandemic

best chance remains development of tests, treatments, vaccines

[arista]

1308366695287975936

[arista]

The PM is Live


Parliament


https://twitter.com/i/events/1308308504021626886

[arista]

The Labour Leader just got back
in time, to question the PM

[arista]

Not wearing a mask
is now a £200 fine

[Cherie]

Not wearing a mask
is now a £200 fine

yaaa bruv,

is it mandatory everywhere?

[joeysteele]

Not wearing a mask
is now a £200 fine

He hasn't said anything about it..
While now saying staff have to wear mask/ facecoverings too.
He hasn't raised the exemption issue.

As to those who claim to be exempt with no official documentation to support their claim, medically or otherwise.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Is there still an announcement tonight

[bots]

i will make a prediction now that none of these new measures will affect the infection rate. People were wearing masks anyway etc ... this will not bring the infection numbers down

[Cherie]

Is there still an announcement tonight

maybe for Scotland? The English one is done, basically table service at pubs, close at 10, work from home if you can

[bots]

maybe for Scotland? The English one is done, basically table service at pubs, close at 10, work from home if you can

Boris is on at 8pm to speak to da people

[user104658]

maybe for Scotland? The English one is done, basically table service at pubs, close at 10, work from home if you can

lol, lip service.

[arista]

Is there still an announcement tonight


Yes Pre-Recorded
Prime Minister 8PM
BBC1Scotland HD
STV1HD
SkyNewsHD

And radio 8PM

[user104658]

Not that I'm saying they could do more; the rise is most likely due to the (growing) section of people who are not currently following the rules that are already in place, and they're not going to follow any new rules either, so it doesn't REALLY matter what new rules are announced. Fines might discourage a few. Probably not. They're mostly empty posteuring.

The other option is physical enforcement of rules and frankly, with the current global political temperature, that'll only end in city centres on fire. Shrug.

[Nicky91]

some more detailed numbers here Netherlands in one week

13.471 new cases out of 192.255 people tested

152 new hospitalisations

33 new dead

[bots]

Not that I'm saying they could do more; the rise is most likely due to the (growing) section of people who are not currently following the rules that are already in place, and they're not going to follow any new rules either, so it doesn't REALLY matter what new rules are announced. Fines might discourage a few. Probably not. They're mostly empty posteuring.

The other option is physical enforcement of rules and frankly, with the current global political temperature, that'll only end in city centres on fire. Shrug.

yeah, the measures wont change anything related to infection rate ... maybe the working from home will change it a bit

[user104658]

I feel like I've really come full circle on this now. I remember being adamant back in April that people wouldn't comply long enough for there to be any point in huge restrictions... I sort of moved away from that stance because people did seem to be being mostly sensible... but yeah, it turns out people won't comply long enough for restrictions to work. It was a one-shot deal and compliance will only drop further over time. I guess I should trust my gut reading on human nature more, it's never far off the mark, I've fallen victim to self-doubt :fist:.

[user104658]

yeah, the measures wont change anything related to infection rate ... maybe the working from home will change it a bit

Doubt it, most people who can work from home still are working from home in Scotland (everyone office-based I know is, including people working for some huge Edinburgh based finance companies) and it's made **** all difference to the increase in Scotland vs England.

[bots]

Doubt it, most people who can work from home still are working from home in Scotland (everyone office-based I know is, including people working for some huge Edinburgh based finance companies) and it's made **** all difference to the increase in Scotland vs England.

yeah i think those that can work from home still are. They still have time to shield the vulnerable, that's what they should be doing now and yet Boris said no need for that yet .... I dont believe that for a minute

[user104658]

In fact, if you look at the graphs of basically every country in Europe, the shapes of the curves are similar or close to identical and always have been. Some variation in actual numbers and levels but the trajectories just don't vary much, despite plenty of variation in response. Feels quite a bit like we're firing peashooters at a freight train and then patting ourselves on the back when the driver coincidentally hits the brakes at the same time, and lambasting people for not launching enough peas when the train speeds up again.

That's not to say that it's all pointless, stopping ICU's from being overwhelmed is as important as it ever was but I think at some point everyone forgot that's what we were doing, and started to think we were "beating" the virus with our fleshy little brains.

But the best way to stop that from happening was to use the time we had over summer to dig those ICU trenches deep, pile money into them, accept that the second wave was coming no matter what and make sure that hospitals weren't "safe from being overwhelmed" because of fewer cases - but because of greater capacity.

We've done jack **** with the respite time we had.

[Vanessa]

I'm not shielding.
I have to work or I won't be able to pay rent/bills.
Also, I refuse to hide away.
The best thing to do is wash your hands, keep distance and wear masks where required.

[bots]

We've done jack **** with the respite time we had.

that's just no true, Boris had a holiday in Scotland :fist:

i think we are pissing in the wind with the virus too, and that's why i am hammering home shielding for the vulnerable

[James]

I feel like I've really come full circle on this now. I remember being adamant back in April that people wouldn't comply long enough for there to be any point in huge restrictions... I sort of moved away from that stance because people did seem to be being mostly sensible... but yeah, it turns out people won't comply long enough for restrictions to work. It was a one-shot deal and compliance will only drop further over time. I guess I should trust my gut reading on human nature more, it's never far off the mark, I've fallen victim to self-doubt :fist:.

I think people in this country have been very obedient really. Maybe more so than other countries (looking at the economic numbers).

To me it looks like this virus is a force-of-nature that can't be stopped. other than locking people in their own homes, which you can't do forever.

[bots]

To me it looks like this virus is a force-of-nature that can't be stopped. other than locking people in their own homes, which you can't do forever.

That's very much my conclusion too and the simple fact is that the majority of the population don't need to do anything ... we have one/two groups of people that require extra protection. If we opened up fully we could still protect them from the benefits we would see from the economy

[Nicky91]

if my mom was health minister, she said she would put in a nationwide requirement to wear face masks

closing pubs, not necessary stores, leaving only supermarket open, cancelling all football matches

[Strictly Jake]

I can just see the headlines tomorrow

Christmas is Cancelled!

Well no it isnt cancelled..... I can definitely see the levels of cases/deaths going up but not maybe as much as the worst case scenario is telling us so it hopefully will be in a better place by then but im thinking not

It isnt cancelled...people need to use their brain to adapt to a different christmas....enjoy the fact it will be more intimate, use zoom for having present opening, meals, a cheeky drink together, use amazon etc to send your presents. Actually use a phone to ring your loved one up and have a meaningful chat

It isnt cancelled

(I must say I havent ever celebrated christmas so its not any different for me. But during that time I do tend to do a lot of stuff with different family and friends and we do a day for all the kids in my family/sisters family where we play games they are given presents etc this is usually the weekend they break up from school. Sad that we cant do that this year but zoom will come in handy!)

[user104658]

I think people in this country have been very obedient really. Maybe more so than other countries (looking at the economic numbers).

To me it looks like this virus is a force-of-nature that can't be stopped. other than locking people in their own homes, which you can't do forever.

If the group that doesn't comply is large enough to sustain transmission, it doesn't really matter if everyone else is obedient and I think people are getting tired and either deliberately rebelling, or simply getting sloppy. I haven't seen many people defiantly rule breaking, that's true, but things like 2m distancing in supermarkets and religious hand-sanitising on the way in and out of shops? It just doesn't happen like it did at the start. I've been complying regardless but I still managed to wander into Pets @ Home a couple of weeks back with no mask on - totally forgot - and I often forget to use hand sanitiser as soon as I get in the car after I've been into the shop. I so usually remember but not until I've touched loads of stuff :shrug:.

Social distancing is the main one I think. If you're in the shops and someone is umming and ahhing over a selection on a shelf, and you can't get past them without coming within say 1m of them, realisticall at this point how many people are waiting for them to move, or going around another way? Most people will quickly tiptoe past. As though tiptoeing somehow makes infection less likely :joker:.

[Kizzy]

i will make a prediction now that none of these new measures will affect the infection rate. People were wearing masks anyway etc ... this will not bring the infection numbers down

Kind of a glass half full prediction there.. and that glass is full of piss :joker:

[Cherie]

lol, lip service.

I think its the right way to go, the house parties, family gathering will carry on whatever happens anyway

He said Nicky was broadly in agreement

[bots]

Kind of a glass half full prediction there.. and that glass is full of piss :joker:

not true, i haven't been in wetherspoons this year :joker:

[Nicky91]

its more called glass half empty but thats more being nitpicky at sayings :laugh:

[Strictly Jake]

its more called glass half empty but thats more being nitpicky at sayings :laugh:

People that say glass half full are optimistic. People that say glass half empty are negative people. Says a lot.

[arista]

I'm not shielding.
I have to work or I won't be able to pay rent/bills.
Also, I refuse to hide away.
The best thing to do is wash your hands, keep distance and wear masks where required.


The PM does not want you to hide away
unless you are in a Lockdown mini zone

[arista]

I think people in this country have been very obedient really. Maybe more so than other countries (looking at the economic numbers).

To me it looks like this virus is a force-of-nature that can't be stopped. other than locking people in their own homes, which you can't do forever.



New Zealand Stopped it
no one to enter that nation.


A slight return when a few New Zealanders
flew back in
and when straight into a home to visit relatives.


But since that slight error
Well done to New Zealand.

[arista]

He hasn't said anything about it..
While now saying staff have to wear mask/ facecoverings too.
He hasn't raised the exemption issue.

As to those who claim to be exempt with no official documentation to support their claim, medically or otherwise.


It has been reported
to come from Downing St.


8PM tonight
all main channels
Prerecorded - 5mins from our PM.

£200 Fine for any that refuse to put a mask
on.

[joeysteele]

It has been reported
to come from Downing St.


8PM tonight
all main channels
Prerecorded - 5mins from our PM.

£200 Fine for any that refuse to put a mask
on.

I put that wrongly.

Yes he said about facecoverings in retail outlets now extended to staff wearing them too.

What I meant was the getting around these people who CLAIM to be exempt while never having to prove they may be with medical documentation.

What's he going to do with those?
Without something more official.

To be fair, I see very few in Stores with no facecovering on.
The last one I saw was in an automated wheelchair so I assumed they could be exempt.

See if he says any more on that tonight.

[bots]

I put that wrongly.

Yes he said about facecoverings in retail outlets now extended to staff wearing them too.

What I meant was the getting around these people who CLAIM to be exempt while never having to prove they may be with medical documentation.

What's he going to do with those?
Without something more official.

To be fair, I see very few in Stores with no facecovering on.
The last one I saw was in an automated wheelchair so I assumed they could be exempt.

See if he says any more on that tonight.

if you make people get a certificate, you then put the pressure on doctors to approve it, which is crazy too

[joeysteele]

if you make people get a certificate, you then put the pressure on doctors to approve it, which is crazy too

Why.
Doctors have all patients ful medical history and current conditions information with them at the surgeries.

They'd know of any patients they themselves would not expect to wear a facecovering were they needed to be seen at the surgery.

How is it crazy to expect medical Doctors to officially confirm?

What if someone on the other example, got fined when they could or should have been exempt?

Not crazy at all, just have the authorisation from the Doctors who KNOW the facts.

[arista]

"See if he says any more on that tonight."

Yes but make sure you watch it 8PM sharp
as many are saying its brief, prerecorded.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think there is also a prominent cut off of point for the tolerance of the public to follow the rules, and that was Dominic Cummings.

[bots]

I think there is also a prominent cut off of point for the tolerance of the public to follow the rules, and that was Dominic Cummings.

if you look back on it, that was a turning point that could have been smoothed if Boris had the balls to sack him

[bots]

"See if he says any more on that tonight."

Yes but make sure you watch it 8PM sharp
as many are saying its brief, prerecorded.

it will be available on line everywhere Arista, no need to rush ....

[joeysteele]

I think there is also a prominent cut off of point for the tolerance of the public to follow the rules, and that was Dominic Cummings.

Yes, it's still a factor in part, I agree.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Was planning a catch up with an old school friend but will have to wait until next year or whenever its safe to do so

[user104658]

I think there is also a prominent cut off of point for the tolerance of the public to follow the rules, and that was Dominic Cummings.I think people were starting to slide but yes, the whole Cummings circus was definitely a catalyst. They needed to send a message that the rules were serious, and thus that breaking them would come with serious consequences. Then Cummings broke them massively, they argued blue in the face that he didn't and everyone had misunderstood, and made excuses for him. He faced no visible consequence whatsoever, so people realised that... Hey... If you just don't bother following the rules, in all likelihood nothing will happen. There would never have been massive consequences, but the all-important illusion of consequences was shattered.

[Ammi]

I think there is also a prominent cut off of point for the tolerance of the public to follow the rules, and that was Dominic Cummings.

....I would say that, that was the point of standard which doubled...a step too far or a car ride too far...

[Nicky91]

netherlands: our celebs are becoming against the corona regulations, especially singers who have no work now these times

and they will boycott any further corona regulations

[arista]

Today 37 Dead

41,825 Total UK Deaths from Covid-19


New Cases of Covid-19 today 4,926


1,319 in hospital


More data:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

....I would say that, that was the point of standard which doubled...a step too far or a car ride too far...

should have gone to spec savers

[Dogeatdog]

I think there is also a prominent cut off of point for the tolerance of the public to follow the rules, and that was Dominic Cummings.

I agree with this.

[Scarlett.]

Why are people panic buying again?

[arista]

Why are people panic buying again?


They are the stupid ones.

[arista]

Scotland Goes more than PM Johnson
she is banning all homes from mixing.
From tomorrow

[arista]

USA reaches 200,005 Deaths from Covid-19
this hour


CNN HD Live

[Zizu]

Not that I'm saying they could do more; the rise is most likely due to the (growing) section of people who are not currently following the rules that are already in place, and they're not going to follow any new rules either, so it doesn't REALLY matter what new rules are announced. Fines might discourage a few. Probably not. They're mostly empty posteuring.

The other option is physical enforcement of rules and frankly, with the current global political temperature, that'll only end in city centres on fire. Shrug.



I fear that you are correct ... and it does seem likely that they will bring in the armed forces sooner rather than later

The truth is the the young people don’t care about is older ones .. .. it may hit home when they start losing their parents and grandparents but even then they will be in denial and blame everyone else apart from themselves ..

I feel sorry for the real old folk who fought or suffered during the war to give these very same youngsters a better life ..

They must feel so very , very disappointed

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[Nicky91]

exactly Zizu

[arista]

Thought they would


Ch4HDnews Extended by 15 mins
to cover the PM
7PM - 8:15PM

[michael21]

Thought they would


Ch4HDnews Extended by 15 mins
to cover the PM
7PM - 8:15PM

You said pm to many times in that post :laugh:

[user104658]

Why are people panic buying again?Because they're really, really stupid :joker:. "Oh I know that last time there was a lockdown, there were no supply issues at all in the end and supermarkets were pretty much stocked as normal. But THIS TIME we deffo need to stockpile!!!"

[bots]

i think people are using empty toilet rolls for arts and crafts

[arista]

8PM Johnson talks

[arista]

The Pm is on now

[LaLaLand]

Pubs here in Wales must close 10pm from Thursday.

[joeysteele]

He's unbelievable this PM, in as many negative ways as is possible.

Contrast his address with the delivery of Nicola Sturgeon.
She came over compassionate and sincere.

[michael21]

Pubs here in Wales must close 10pm from Thursday.

What time would there normally close

[LaLaLand]

What time would there normally close

Anywhere from midnight - 2/3am usually around here.

[Zizu]

Jonathan Ashworth blabbering now .... this guy scares me


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[joeysteele]

It was said, on Sky that a pub now has a problem as it runs a quiz between 9.30pm and 11pm.

What !!!

Just run it 8pm to 9.30pm.
Where's the problem?

[joeysteele]

Jonathan Ashworth blabbering now .... this guy scares me


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I can't really understand why, he's only talked sense that I've seen all day.
That's your view however so I respect that.

The one however who would scare me is the Prime Minister.
Still that's just my view.

[Zizu]

I can't really understand why, he's only talked sense that I've seen all day.

That's your view however so I respect that.



The one however who would scare me is the Prime Minister.

Still that's just my view.



He’s a typical wishy-washy waffler ... I cringe every time he opens his mouth ( normally to criticise something well after the event) .

He was on last week’s Question Time and I felt that once again he embarrassed himself.


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[joeysteele]

He’s a typical wishy-washy waffler ... I cringe every time he opens his mouth ( normally to criticise something well after the event) .

He was on last week’s Question Time and I felt that once again he embarrassed himself.


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I see him differently sorry.

I think he far from waffles, he's one who addresses the issue usually in my view.

He was ineffective on QT but far from embarrassed himself.
The screen audience were mostly in agreement with him.

It's always interesting though to learn what others think.
So it's good to have read your input.

[Zizu]

I see him differently sorry.



I think he far from waffles, he's one who addresses the issue usually in my view.



He was ineffective on QT but far from embarrassed himself.

The screen audience were mostly in agreement with him.



It's always interesting though to learn what others think.

So it's good to have read your input.



There’s always this infamous gaff :)

Mr Ashworth, who has represented Leicester South since 2011, argued party MPs had "*******ed it up" in 2016 in their bid to remove the Labour leader, saying they "went too early".

Regarded as a key ally of Mr Corbyn, he also suggested that if the Labour leader got into No 10, the civil service machine would "pretty quickly move to safeguard security".

As the recording was aired, the Shadow Secretary of State appeared on the BBC to insist it was all just “banter” with a friend and that he did not mean what he had said and was, in fact, joking

Not forgetting this from not long ago ..

LABOUR'S shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth saw his poorly-timed criticism of the Government's coronavirus response unravel live on-air during an awkward interview on BBC Breakfast, after host Naga Munchetty pointed out that ministers were already doing what he was demanding.


If you’ve got time then ‘this’ is an interesting read ;)

https://thoughtsofaleicestersocialist.wordpress.com/2020/04/14/the-truth-about-jonathan-ashworth-and-emilie-oldknow-an-anti-corbyn-retrospective/amp/

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eii6xANX0AIM6Nw?format=jpg&name=medium

Thats todays edition

[arista]

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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/0F88/production/_114567930_thetimes.jpg

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/F600/production/_114567926_23sep1front01.jpg

[joeysteele]

There’s always this infamous gaff :)

Mr Ashworth, who has represented Leicester South since 2011, argued party MPs had "*******ed it up" in 2016 in their bid to remove the Labour leader, saying they "went too early".

Regarded as a key ally of Mr Corbyn, he also suggested that if the Labour leader got into No 10, the civil service machine would "pretty quickly move to safeguard security".

As the recording was aired, the Shadow Secretary of State appeared on the BBC to insist it was all just “banter” with a friend and that he did not mean what he had said and was, in fact, joking

Not forgetting this from not long ago ..

LABOUR'S shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth saw his poorly-timed criticism of the Government's coronavirus response unravel live on-air during an awkward interview on BBC Breakfast, after host Naga Munchetty pointed out that ministers were already doing what he was demanding.


If you’ve got time then ‘this’ is an interesting read ;)

https://thoughtsofaleicestersocialist.wordpress.com/2020/04/14/the-truth-about-jonathan-ashworth-and-emilie-oldknow-an-anti-corbyn-retrospective/amp/

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No he didn't.
He has always been more concensus in supporting government action during this covid crisis.

Yes the government were doing the things he indicated needed to however he has always said that efficient testing/track and trace has to be in place at the same time.
To help ensure the success of the measures more.

The track and trace and testing has not been in place and fully operating effectively.
Hence his criticism of the government on that failure to have the adequate testing.
He was spot on.

There's no reasoned pundit who is ever saying this government had done even fairly well never mind well as to the testing.
So Ashworth's point of the measures he supports but needing the efficient testing in place at the same time.
Was and remains totally valid.

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/130C/production/_114567840_telegraph.jpg

[arista]

Nations Above 10,000 around the World
Covid-19 deaths.



200,641 USA deaths
137,272 Brazil deaths
88,935 India deaths
73,697 Mexico deaths
41,951 United Kingdom deaths
35,738 Italy deaths
31,424 France deaths
31,369 Peru deaths
30,904 Spain deaths
24,656 Iran deaths
24,397 Colombia deaths
19,575 Russia deaths
16,118 South Africa deaths
13,482 Argentina deaths
12,321 Chile deaths
11,126 Ecuador deaths


Pro Data :
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

BBC2HD Newsnight
introduced Alan Johnson is down the line in HELL
Emily then said "Hull."



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[Kizzy]

I have a cold.. :/ nose running and sneezing no sore throat, cough or temp.

[Ammi]

...:hug:..feel well soon, Kizzy...

[bots]

I have a cold.. :/ nose running and sneezing no sore throat, cough or temp.

it's that time of year, i have a sore throat and a cough .... this time last year i wouldn't have cared less, now, i can't avoid thinking ... hmm i will need to watch this

[Nicky91]

it's that time of year, i have a sore throat and a cough .... this time last year i wouldn't have cared less, now, i can't avoid thinking ... hmm i will need to watch this

i have sore throat too, my nose very much filled up, also having a beeping sound in my ears (something what runs in family, my mom has that too sometimes) but i tend i have that a lot when i got a cold, probably because my nose is too filled up unable to breathe through properly

it really is that time of year, ideal for regular colds too, especially now with warm during the day, and really cold in evenings, nights

[Kizzy]

Thanks Ammi, I feel OK just a bit of a chill :)... bots, you watch your temperature, you might have to isolate for a week . In fact I'd ring 119 and get a test if I were you.

[Ammi]

..what Kizzy said, bots...:hug:...you take care and get a test, yeah...you take care as well, Nicky, be well soon...:hug:..

[Lewismacfarlane]

Scotland are now banned from going to other houses

[Ammi]

...I just feel that there is something that we’re not being told...(...conspiracy theory #567869...)...yeah, we’re okay, we’re doing well.../...no we’re doomed and gloomed and it’s pretty grim...


...hold on there, Lewismacfarlane...:hug:..

[Strictly Jake]

I do find it suspicious that now these announcements have been made we all have something new to talk about when it comes to government....onky days ago we were talking about the illegal move with the brexit shizz.

Tactical moves Boris?

[bots]

I think you just have to look across europe to see that it really doesn't matter what people do, they are going to catch covid in ever increasing numbers. The only sure protection is complete isolation.

The 50k number used by the experts earlier in the week, it was designed to shock people into action, but it bears no relation to probable reality. They used Spain and France for other examples and their infection rate is nothing like 50k. The infection rate may get to 10k a day, but 50k is extremely doubtful.

However, having floated that 50k figure, the government can basically say their measures are effective cause look, we didn't go above 10k .... i hate being manipulated, and this is manipulation 101

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[Strictly Jake]

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Agree with every word here!

Yes there are so many conflicting messages, so many u turns, shocking track and trace systems, no tests available etc

People were pushed so forcefully to get back to work and then now being told they shouldnt.

And yeah I also feel that the blame was all put on the public in the speeches

They dont ever seem to want to admit they have failed

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[Strictly Jake]

Also the biggest U turn of all

Obey the rules now or face a second lockdown

I thought they told us there wouldnt be a second lockdown.....I said a couple of times on here I think there will be....and some members on here believed boris and co and were adament that there wouldnt be a second lockdown.

Also the vaccine when it comes into play, will be priortised for the elderly and vunerable....you really think thats going to happen?!!!

It will be titanic all over again the top class will be given priority while the lower classes of us that actually work in the real world manually will be left waiting in a sinking ship. And the elderly and vunerable will be told to keep quiet.

[arista]

The Army
are to be used at Nuclear Power Plants
so the Police that work as Guards,
can then move to helping the main police.

[user104658]

Scotland are now banned from going to other houses

England will follow in a week or so. Witwicky is already making grunts about it.

[Kizzy]

Also the biggest U turn of all

Obey the rules now or face a second lockdown

I thought they told us there wouldnt be a second lockdown.....I said a couple of times on here I think there will be....and some members on here believed boris and co and were adament that there wouldnt be a second lockdown.

Also the vaccine when it comes into play, will be priortised for the elderly and vunerable....you really think thats going to happen?!!!

It will be titanic all over again the top class will be given priority while the lower classes of us that actually work in the real world manually will be left waiting in a sinking ship. And the elderly and vunerable will be told to keep quiet.

The policy on vaccination will be like our economics ... trickle down.

[bots]

England will follow in a week or so. Witwicky is already making grunts about it.

i think he already told Boris to do it and was ignored. I can see it from a couple of different angles ... don't put all your eggs in 1 basket and leave somewhere to go in a week with regard to "expected" restrictions .. or go all in ... Nicky chose all in ... Personally, i think the restriction should have been applied as it is known to be one of the biggest contributors .... however, people will ignore it ... and how do you enforce it ... it can get ugly very quickly. Would you allow the police in to your house to check if you are entertaining 10 families? I wouldn't ... also the police could use it as an excuse to do a drug bust or search for stolen goods etc .... it's a minefield

[user104658]

the top class will be given priority while the lower classes of us that actually work in the real world manually will be left waiting in a sinking ship. And the elderly and vunerable will be told to keep quiet.

The policy on vaccination will be like our economics ... trickle down.

I find that very unlikely; they're too lazy. They'll just use their existing annual flu vax list and give it to everyone on that first.

Of course, the majority of the wealthy elite are over 65 so they'll be on that list anyway. I doubt they'll take it first, though. They'll want it tested on the wrinkly proles.

[The Slim Reaper]

I find that very unlikely; they're too lazy. They'll just use their existing annual flu vax list and give it to everyone on that first.

Of course, the majority of the wealthy elite are over 65 so they'll be on that list anyway. I doubt they'll take it first, though. They'll want it tested on the wrinkly proles.

Dido Harding has already said the daily moonshot testing won't be available on the NHS, which will automatically allow people with means to live a fully normal life whilst denying it to folks that are probably more in need of it to put food on their tables and a roof over their heads.

[Kizzy]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

[bots]

in America they are planning to test the vaccine on the BAME community first. Take from that what you will ... guinea pigs or most in need

[smudgie]

England will follow in a week or so. Witwicky is already making grunts about it.

Aye, it’s on the cards I reckon.
Family visit with takeaway tonight then. :cheer2:

[Nicky91]

our youth celebrities mostly singers and influencers have started a #AgainstCoronaMeasures thing

more with slogan ''onlytogetherwecanoverthrowourcorruptgovernment''


it makes me cringe how stupid, dumb some youth can be, and especially if they call themselves influencers, just because they cannot earn money now with lots cancelled :facepalm:

[Nicky91]

also how bad they are making the youth look in general with this stupid mess of a cause now :(

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20200923/german-foreign-minister-quarantines-over-coronavirus-exposure-fear

Germany's foreign minister is in quarantine over coronavirus exposure, more out of precaution


good of him to be this cautious

[arista]

[Furlough 2.0: Rishi Sunak draws up German-style
scheme for the Treasury to subsidise workers' wages
after Boris Johnson ditches back to work drive]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8763049/Rishi-Sunak-draws-German-style-scheme-businesses-Treasury-jointly-pay-workers-wages.html

[Josy]

it's that time of year, i have a sore throat and a cough .... this time last year i wouldn't have cared less, now, i can't avoid thinking ... hmm i will need to watch thisI have a cold too, I'm not worried at all though as I know it's just a normal cold plus already had temp taken at work

[Beso]

Is it true that mixing with a lot of people increases your immune system...ie going in and out of different houses each day.

I'm not saying it would help against covid (yet) but I got told that by the other engineers.

[bots]

Is it true that mixing with a lot of people increases your immune system...ie going in and out of different houses each day.

I'm not saying it would help against covid (yet) but I got told that by the other engineers.

i know when i first worked in london and was on the tube every day, i caught every bug imaginable and then after a couple of months it settled down

[Cherie]

I have a cold too, I'm not worried at all though as I know it's just a normal cold plus already had temp taken at work

I just had a cold and I never get colds, no cough or temp, it was all in my head :fist:

[arista]

6,178 New Covid-19 Cases


Thats Real High for the UK.


1,469 in Hospital


37 Deaths today

41,862 Total deaths UK.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

I fear it’s time for the armed forces to be shipped in ..


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[Vanessa]

I fear it’s time for the armed forces to be shipped in ..


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I agree.

[arista]

I fear it’s time for the armed forces to be shipped in ..


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No they are takeover duties at Guarding Nuclear Power Stations
letting those Police return to the squad.

[AnnieK]

I fear it’s time for the armed forces to be shipped in ..


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To do what though?

Its time people took care of themselves and their loved ones, follow the rules and don't take risks. I don't want to live in a world where there are armed soldiers, trained killers, patrolling the streets. That is terrifying

[Zizu]

No they are takeover duties at Guarding Nuclear Power Stations

letting those Police return to the squad.



Well that’s disappointing ... I hope they’re also guarding our freshwater industrial plants as well


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[Zizu]

To do what though?



Its time people took care of themselves and their loved ones, follow the rules and don't take risks. I don't want to live in a world where there are armed soldiers, trained killers, patrolling the streets. That is terrifying



More terrifying than dying needlessly from a virus spread by our thoughtless / selfish young people ?


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[AnnieK]

More terrifying than dying needlessly from a virus spread by our thoughtless / selfish young people ?


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Quite frankly yes.

My dad had to shield as he is in a high risk group. I have been so ridiculously careful during this, putting my life on hold to protect him. If people followed the rules, that will be enough. We do not need military presence at the moment.

[The Slim Reaper]

To do what though?

Its time people took care of themselves and their loved ones, follow the rules and don't take risks. I don't want to live in a world where there are armed soldiers, trained killers, patrolling the streets. That is terrifying


You leaving Manchester?

[bots]

the government cannot coerce the population to do anything, it is law by consent. Putting soldiers on the streets would be a guaranteed end of the government

[Beso]

I wonder what the tougher measures will be when people dont follow the new guidelines?

Cause I'm like, erm, why ain't they implemented now if things are so serious that the nations leaders have to address the public from behind a desk looking all serious.

[arista]

[Furlough 2.0: Rishi Sunak draws up German-style
scheme for the Treasury to subsidise workers' wages
after Boris Johnson ditches back to work drive]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8763049/Rishi-Sunak-draws-German-style-scheme-businesses-Treasury-jointly-pay-workers-wages.html


Confirmed
Rishi is making a Statement Tomorrow
in Parliament.

Protection through the winter
Not a Budget.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54264689

[Beso]

Are there many self employed workers in Germany?

[arista]

Are there many self employed workers in Germany?


a few.

[user104658]

Are there many self employed workers in Germany?a few.There's 12.

[arista]

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