Coronavirus Outbreak

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[Ammi]

...a new virus/ a new word..’covidiots..’....

Zante flight with coronavirus cases full of ‘covidiots’, says passenger...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/zante-flight-coronavirus-cases-full-075726911.html

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...a new virus/ a new word..’covidiots..’....

Zante flight with coronavirus cases full of ‘covidiots’, says passenger...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/zante-flight-coronavirus-cases-full-075726911.html


Yes Covidiots

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Today 2 deaths

Total UK Covid-19 total deaths : 41,501

New Covid-19 cases in the UK : 1,406

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Defence secretary flouts social distancing rules by
shaking hands before cabinet meeting.
He has said sorry for his mistake.

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Smarter than normal

[Nicky91]

tonight another press conference here in Netherlands, by our PM Rutte and Health minister Hugo de Jonge

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Glasgow now has new restrictions in place due to a rise in cases

[arista]

Glasgow now has new restrictions in place due to a rise in cases


Yes Scotland, again.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-rules-to-be-tightened-around-glasgow-as-cases-rise-12061228

[arista]

Scotland again.

[Young woman who went to house parties instead
of self-isolating is accused of being 'superspreader'
behind covid outbreak of 22 cases in Ayrshire

The woman allegedly went to pubs and 'several parties' before testing positive
Source said: 'She knew that her other friends were self-isolating, it's disgusting'
A major contact tracing operation is underway to stop the virus snowballing]

[A parent told the Ayrshire Advertiser: 'She has been to several parties,
one of them was in Kilmarnock.
'She knew that her other friends were self-isolating,
it's disgusting.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8684917/Young-woman-accused-superspreader-covid-outbreak-22-cases-Ayrshire.html

[arista]

Today 3 Deaths

Total UK Covid-19 Deaths : 41,505

1,295 New Covid-19 cases


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[Ammi]

Greece added to Scotland's quarantine list as cases rise...




Travellers arriving in Scotland from Greece will have to quarantine for two weeks following a "significant" spike in coronavirus cases.

The rule will come into force from 4am on Thursday due to apparent new evidence that COVID-19 is being imported.

In Wales, people coming back from Zante will be asked to self-isolate for two weeks, after seven infections were discovered on a flight from the popular Greek island that landed in Cardiff on 25 August.

The request is not mandatory, but the Welsh first minister wants a meeting with political leaders in the other UK nations to agree to add Greece to all their separate quarantine lists.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-greece-added-to-scotlands-quarantine-list-as-cases-rise-12061282

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Dominic arrived today Downing St.
Smarter than normal



Who’s that with him ?


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[The Slim Reaper]

Let it go Zeez, she's out of your league :smug:

[arista]

Who’s that with him ?


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His Aide

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Greece added to Scotland's quarantine list as cases rise...




Travellers arriving in Scotland from Greece will have to quarantine for two weeks following a "significant" spike in coronavirus cases.

The rule will come into force from 4am on Thursday due to apparent new evidence that COVID-19 is being imported.

In Wales, people coming back from Zante will be asked to self-isolate for two weeks, after seven infections were discovered on a flight from the popular Greek island that landed in Cardiff on 25 August.

The request is not mandatory, but the Welsh first minister wants a meeting with political leaders in the other UK nations to agree to add Greece to all their separate quarantine lists.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-greece-added-to-scotlands-quarantine-list-as-cases-rise-12061282

They pretend to be transparent, but they are not sharing all the information that they have which I think is totally wrong given the risk of catching covid

[Zizu]

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Funny how so many top politicians have rather attractive ‘aides’...


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The PM is going live in a sec.
PMQ's

[joeysteele]

The PM is going live in a sec.
PMQ's

Already as pathetic as ever.

If he will not answer the questions put then there's no point in this idiotic but admittedly clever deceiver, in even putting any questions to him.

Honestly that is the best we can have as PM in the whole of the UK.
REALLY!

Just insulting to watch is this.

[Zizu]

Already as pathetic as ever.



If he will not answer the questions put then there's no point in this idiotic but admittedly clever deceiver, in even putting any questions to him.



Honestly that is the best we can have as PM in the whole of the UK.

REALLY!



Just insulting to watch is this.



I still think he’s a few steps above Corbyn and don’t even mention Trump ..

I just feel that Boris is a kind , caring guy something you can’t say about the other two I mentioned ..


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I still think he’s a few steps above Corbyn and don’t even mention Trump ..

I just feel that Boris is a kind , caring guy something you can’t say about the other two I mentioned ..


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Boris is kind? The man who has used homophobic and racist slurs, and anti-semitic tropes in his books.

Corbyn, the anti-racism campaigner and the guy who to this day works with the homeless, and campaigns for a fairer society, isn't caring?

[joeysteele]

I still think he’s a few steps above Corbyn and don’t even mention Trump ..

I just feel that Boris is a kind , caring guy something you can’t say about the other two I mentioned ..


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Phew, hey I respect that's your view.

Sadly however kind and caring are two things, among hundreds, I'll never be able to relate politically to this PM.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's fine to be pathologically predisposed to vote for, and enjoy the tory cruelty, but dressing it up as care to make yourselves feel better is a little weird.

When tories care:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/dwp-boss-refuses-sympathy-mum-18864373

Work and Pensions Secretary Thérèse Coffey repeatedly refused to express sympathy for a tragic mum who was found dead next to her crying baby.

Dr Coffey, who was born in Billinge but grew up in Liverpool, was repeatedly given the chance to show some compassion for 34-year-old Mercy Baguma - a refugee mother who died next to her malnourished baby in Glasgow - but she would not.

Ms Baguma, from Uganda, was found dead by police after they heard her son's crying from outside her flat earlier this month.

She was reported to have been living in extreme poverty before her death and had contacted charities saying she did not have enough money to support herself.

It is thought that she lost her job after her right to work in the UK expired.

Asked about the situation on Sky today, Dr Coffey seemed unwilling to show any sympathy or sadness about the desperate situation.

Host Kay Burley said 'I know you to be a compassionate woman', before asking her about Ms Baguma's case.

Dr Coffey said: "I think I know the situation and its a lady with immigration status that may have changed. This really is a matter for the Home Office to decide. I'm concious that people can also apply for changes to their status with the Home Office, if they are struggling with aspects of that."

Asked again to show some compassion for a woman who starved to death next to her baby, Dr Coffey again refused, stating: "I don't know the ins and outs, I know it happened in Glasgow fairly recently - but really the Home Office is the place that decides on this."

Given yet another chance to show some humanity, Ms Burley asked 'what sort of society are we when a woman can starve to death next to her child?'

"What I'm trying to say Kay is that when people are in very difficult situations and are looking to the government for help, there are ways they can access that help."

After a final attempt to draw some compassion from the Minister, the Sky host eventually gave up.

Viewers were shocked at the cold-hearted responses to such a tragic story.

On twitter Stuart said: "Wow. Multiple opportunities to even just acknowledge the sadness of a human starving to death in this country and that seemed to be beyond her. Appalling."

[Ammi]

Coronavirus latest news LIVE: Starmer accuses PM of 'serial incompetence' and tells him to 'get a grip'...

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-latest-news-live-millions-of-pupils-in-england-returning-to-school-12060747

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Coronavirus: Lockdown restrictions remain in place in Bolton and Trafford after another government U-turn...

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-restrictions-remain-in-place-in-bolton-and-trafford-after-another-government-u-turn-12061690

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there was no logical reason to lift them there when the other areas restrictions remained in place. My guess is that someone had a friend in cabinet and requested they be lifted. Corruption at it's finest

[AnnieK]

there was no logical reason to lift them there when the other areas restrictions remained in place. My guess is that someone had a friend in cabinet and requested they be lifted. Corruption at it's finest

Their cases were decreasing but Bolton has had a 200% increase in the last week. Wigan was released over a week ago and have maintained low levels of cases....Stockport has dropped significantly and still reducing so released today.

The main problem is most people live in one borough but travel through others to get to work so seems ridiculous to release some but not all and think that its reasonable. Needs to be all in or all out imho

[Kizzy]

It's fine to be pathologically predisposed to vote for, and enjoy the tory cruelty, but dressing it up as care to make yourselves feel better is a little weird.

When tories care:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/dwp-boss-refuses-sympathy-mum-18864373

Work and Pensions Secretary Thérèse Coffey repeatedly refused to express sympathy for a tragic mum who was found dead next to her crying baby.

Dr Coffey, who was born in Billinge but grew up in Liverpool, was repeatedly given the chance to show some compassion for 34-year-old Mercy Baguma - a refugee mother who died next to her malnourished baby in Glasgow - but she would not.

Ms Baguma, from Uganda, was found dead by police after they heard her son's crying from outside her flat earlier this month.

She was reported to have been living in extreme poverty before her death and had contacted charities saying she did not have enough money to support herself.

It is thought that she lost her job after her right to work in the UK expired.

Asked about the situation on Sky today, Dr Coffey seemed unwilling to show any sympathy or sadness about the desperate situation.

Host Kay Burley said 'I know you to be a compassionate woman', before asking her about Ms Baguma's case.

Dr Coffey said: "I think I know the situation and its a lady with immigration status that may have changed. This really is a matter for the Home Office to decide. I'm concious that people can also apply for changes to their status with the Home Office, if they are struggling with aspects of that."

Asked again to show some compassion for a woman who starved to death next to her baby, Dr Coffey again refused, stating: "I don't know the ins and outs, I know it happened in Glasgow fairly recently - but really the Home Office is the place that decides on this."

Given yet another chance to show some humanity, Ms Burley asked 'what sort of society are we when a woman can starve to death next to her child?'

"What I'm trying to say Kay is that when people are in very difficult situations and are looking to the government for help, there are ways they can access that help."

After a final attempt to draw some compassion from the Minister, the Sky host eventually gave up.

Viewers were shocked at the cold-hearted responses to such a tragic story.

On twitter Stuart said: "Wow. Multiple opportunities to even just acknowledge the sadness of a human starving to death in this country and that seemed to be beyond her. Appalling."

I'm just stunned anyone's surprised.. since when we're the tories the party of compassion or humility? Never. :/

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Coronavirus: No tax rise 'horror show', Rishi Sunak
tells Tory MPs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54002505

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He has alot to learn
the press zoomed in on his notes


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Today 10 Deaths


UK total of Covid-19 deaths: 41,514

New Cases Of Covid-19 : 1,508


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Race to track 200 people on flight after officials fail to tell airline of Covid cases...


Health officials are scrambling to contact more than 200 British holidaymakers on a flight from Crete last week after authorities failed to alert the airline that eight passengers had tested positive for coronavirus.


...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/race-track-200-people-flight-170015066.html

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Dwayne Johnson "The Rock"

Says he & his family has Covid-19


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Back in 2017

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I read that, they had it, but are on the mend now.

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There is now a 20min test
You just spit into a small pot.


Salford.


6,732 new cases were confirmed between 20 August and 26 August


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There is now a 20min test
You just spit into a small pot.


Salford.


6,732 New Cases today.


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That's called dating in Salford.

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Coronavirus: Costa may axe 1,650 jobs as it struggles
to recover after lockdown


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-costa-to-axe-1-650-jobs-as-it-struggles-to-recover-after-lockdown-12062409


Meanwhile
Amazon UK
creating 7,000 new permanent jobs in the UK

https://news.sky.com/story/amazon-creating-7-000-new-permanent-jobs-in-the-uk-12062261

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Today 13 Deaths

Total Covid-19 Deaths for the UK : 41,527

New Cases : 1,735

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This is horrendous. Are you bothered by it, Arista?

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Hancock is a tit but he was ambushed in that interview. He has nothing to do with trade

[The Slim Reaper]

Hancock is a tit but he was ambushed in that interview. He has nothing to do with trade

What? The tories have employed the ex pm of Australia with a history of saying offensive things aimed at minority groups. Hancocks area of, and I use this word carefully, expertise, has nothing to do with anything. He was asked to comment on the guy, not trade policy.

[joeysteele]

This is horrendous. Are you bothered by it, Arista?

There'll be excuses made for him no doubt.

He's absolutely a disgrace as a Minister.
Absolutely sickening.

Have you seen him murdering Queens Don't Stop Me Now on YouTube.
Piers Morgan played it on breakfast TV with that other waste of political space, the heartless Therese Coffey.

Honestly, ambushed or not, I couldn't care, his views on Abbott were relevant, being a Minister in government..
It's possible the NHS could have involvement in trade talks, particularly with the USA.

So his views on anyone being part of trade planning or negotiations are perfectly relevant.

Abbott wasn't that good an Australian PM anyway..

For his deceit and the unnecessary losses of lives to this virus however, Hancock should have been OUT months ago.

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[Robert Pattinson 'tests positive for COVID-19',
pausing production of The Batman.]

https://news.sky.com/story/robert-pattinson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-pausing-production-of-the-batman-12062981

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As usual we don't find out if they are I'll...

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[Robert Pattinson 'tests positive for COVID-19',
pausing production of The Batman.]

https://news.sky.com/story/robert-pattinson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-pausing-production-of-the-batman-12062981

Oh no :(

Somewhat ironically the Batman GN I'm reading at the mo is about a breakout of a strain of Ebola in Gotham city. Robin is sick :(

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what a fine upstanding role model they picked to make their point

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His 'mate' filming and commentating was just as annoying as the bloke resisting. UK Police should allowed be us more force for situations like this imo.

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What was his reasons for not wearing a mask.
He for sure had plenty breath in him, and strength.
Could easily make his loud mouth work for him.

I'm not sure about the manhandling of him.
I guess this officer was calling for back up, he should have been.

What is really worrying and unnecessary is that there are individuals who would inconvenience others, endanger themselves and others as to this virus, just to make a point they have no intention of obeying instructions of wearing a facecoverings in any inside setting.

This exempt statement, really needs to be looked at and if anyone can be really exempt from wearing ANY kind of facecovering.
Then they need to have to have an exemption document, OFFICIALLY stamped and authorised by Doctor or Hospital.

Far better to wear a facecovering for a few minutes to an hour or so.
Than have to have or risk forcing others to have, a ventilator down your throat.

All for a simple facecovering for a time.

I wonder did the upstart filming this have a facecovering on either, he sounded another loudmouth.
Both just possibly out to cause a scene and bother.

[Cherie]

The policeman was pretty poor in his reactions, why didn’t he issue a fine or wait for help to arrive if he wanted to remove him, he was going to get on the next train anyway so pointless

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The policeman was pretty poor in his reactions, why didn’t he issue a fine or wait for help to arrive if he wanted to remove him, he was going to get on the next train anyway so pointless


Yes Transport Police
I would think he has had far worse than the fella.

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The policeman was pretty poor in his reactions, why didn’t he issue a fine or wait for help to arrive if he wanted to remove him, he was going to get on the next train anyway so pointless

This is the problem any police have.

There were others on that train fully complying with the rule of wearing facecoverings.

The police cannot be seen to NOT be doing something about it when someone is breaking the rules.

The point really is, this objectionable character should have got off the train or place a facecovering on his face.

It's not the policing fault.
It's morons like that individual and his equally obejctonable mate filming.

This exemption claim, has to be made a more binding than just saying issue.
If anyone HAS to be exempt, which I personally doubt, who is ABLE to be indoors with others.
Then some official document, medically backed and authorised needs to be shown.

No document then too no facecovering, then off or out they should be made to go.
For the protection of all others around them.

However, I don't know from the clip if he intended to, whatever, this officer should have called for further back up.
I agree wholly with you there.
Had he done so, this character and his mate may have then left the train.

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the policeman should have tasered him and then waited for backup

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Silvio Berlusconi's political party Forza Italia insists he's been taken to the San Raffaele hospital in Milan as a precaution after testing positive for coronavirus.

The former Italian prime minister has released a video saying he feels fine.

But he is 83, and reportedly in the early stages of double pneumonia. That's not necessarily any worse than pneumonia in one lung but it is a recognised symptom of Covid-19, which was originally called novel coronavirus-infected pneumonia.

His 30-year-old girlfriend, the Italian MP Marta Fascina, and two of his children have also tested positive.

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Due to Covid-19
Virgin Atlantic Airways is getting rid of 1,150 more staff.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54027229

[The Slim Reaper]

Due to Covid-19
Virgin Atlantic Airways is getting rid of 1,150 more staff.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54027229

Given over a billion in covid money. One of the biggest scandals after all this will be the money wasted by the government. Paying hundreds of millions to businesses owned by their friends, that haven't done what they've been paid for.

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#nomasker lets gooooooooo

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Given over a billion in covid money. One of the biggest scandals after all this will be the money wasted by the government. Paying hundreds of millions to businesses owned by their friends, that haven't done what they've been paid for.


Virgin Atlantic
are looking ahead over 4 years
and assuming it will not improve
I mean no USA flights
has damaged their future

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[arista]

This is horrendous. Are you bothered by it, Arista?


Are on about Tony Abbot


That former Australian Leader has not yet be appointed
to any UK Gov job.

[The Slim Reaper]

Are on about Tony Abbot


That former Australian Leader has not yet be appointed
to any UK Gov job.

Boris shares his opinions so of course he can't criticise him.

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:joker:

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Someone has recorded
an Angry Welch. AM

Yes you spoke to a Very High Up Doctor
he has confused you, dear.......................

[arista]

Today a very High 1,940 have been confirmed with Covid-19

[bots]

Today a very High 1,940 have been confirmed with Covid-19

thats doubled in the last couple of weeks which is very worrying

[AnnieK]

thats doubled in the last couple of weeks which is very worrying

Surely it's mainly down to increased testing though?

[Ammi]

Surely it's mainly down to increased testing though?

...I would say so as well, Annie...

[arista]

Coronavirus: Young people at house parties
blamed as Leeds joins Covid-19 watchlist

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-leeds-added-to-areas-of-concern-list-after-rise-in-coronavirus-cases-rachel-reeves-says-12063432

[Ammi]

Passenger leaves note calling flight attendant a ‘Nazi’ and ‘glorified maid’ after being asked to wear mask...

A passenger reportedly left an offensive note for a flight attendant after being asked to wear their mask over their nose.

Handwritten on an inflight sick bag, the note calls the member of American Airlines cabin crew a “mask nazi” and a “glorified maid”.

A photo of the note was shared on social media by Twitter user @hibiscuslacroix, who captioned the picture: “Today a passenger handed this to a flight attendant upon deplaning.

“The flight attendant had asked her to wear her mask over her nose. Incredibly done with the general public.”

The woman’s note read: “Nobody cares about your stupid seat policies or your nose issues. We pay your salary and your attitude is unnecessary.

“The very fact that we have to listen and kowtow to a nobody who does s*** except collect our trash and serve crappy food makes me absolutely ill.”

The passenger added: “If it wasn’t for this job, you would be cleaning motel rooms for $2 tips and meth.

“I made sure to write this on a bag labelled as to what I think your life actually is… A WASTE.”

The Independent has contacted American Airlines for comment; the airline said it was “looking into” the matter.

The shocking incident follows several cases of travellers being removed from flights, trains, and other modes of transport for refusing to wear a mask.


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Surely it's mainly down to increased testing though?


The problem with testing
some have travel 200 miles or more
in England.

SkyNewsHD /BBCnewsHD/LBC/ Times DAB Radio.

[Ammi]

The problem with testing
some have travel 200 miles or more
in England.

SkyNewsHD /BBCnewsHD/LBC/ Times DAB Radio.

...well that’s because testing centres have been closed down which has created the travel problem ...when attention to testing is surely one of the most important things and the reason that some of other countries have had such successes in controlling and containing...our government really do make it very difficult to contain and yet they want ‘normality’ as soon as possible...

[Ammi]

...the more that industry/businesses and schools etc, return and adapt...the more that test, test, test is needed....


...so let’s close some test centres down...very much not wise...

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Today 10 Died

Total New Cases 1,940

Total UK Covid-19 Deaths : 41,537


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[Ammi]

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...ahhh, that’s a lovely front page story about Ahmad Nawaz as well, Arista...I’m just reading about him...

..’he was only 14 when he was shot by a Taliban gunman during a terrorist attack at his school in Pakistan. His younger brother Haris was one of almost 150 children and teachers killed in the December 2014 massacre. Ahmad survived. Ahmad survived by pretending to be dead but he was severely injured and spent weeks in hospital in Peshawar before being taken to Birmingham for emergency surgery to save his arm.

He stayed in Britain, became an anti-radicalisation campaigner and has now won a place to study philosophy and theology at Oxford. “When the terrorists came to attack children in school they wanted to stop people being educated,” he says. “The fact I’ve got into one of the best universities in the world sends them’

..such sadness but amazing Ahmad...:lovedup:...

[Zizu]

...the more that industry/businesses and schools etc, return and adapt...the more that test, test, test is needed....





...so let’s close some test centres down...very much not wise...



Why on Earth reopen schools across the country but have people potentially travelling 100 miles or so for tests !!!!!??

That’s a recipe for disaster .... with all the talk about how we are all going to be safe - I half expected there to be testing done IN schools. !!


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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Why on Earth reopen schools across the country but have people potentially travelling 100 miles or so for tests !!!!!??

That’s a recipe for disaster .... with all the talk about how we are all going to be safe - I half expected there to be testing done IN schools. !!


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That's not a bad idea tbh... zap all who enter with the temprature gun and if they fail straight to the tented area for a test?

[Zizu]

That's not a bad idea tbh... zap all who enter with the temprature gun and if they fail straight to the tented area for a test?



Oddly enough last week when I went to the dentist I was quizzed then zapped with a temp gun before entering and told to hand wash .... . then went into the doctors for blood tests .. no questions- no temp taken - just walked straight in ..


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[arista]

Today 12 Deaths

Total UK Covid-19 Deaths : 41,549

New Covid-19 Cases : 1,813

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhLOr4lX0AAbR0F?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Kizzy]

#I'mwithdaniel

[arista]

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[Ammi]

More than 1,000 UK doctors want to quit NHS over handling of pandemic...

Over 1,000 doctors plan to quit the NHS because they are disillusioned with the government’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic and frustrated about their pay, a new survey has found.

The doctors either intend to move abroad, take a career break, switch to private hospitals or resign to work as locums instead, amid growing concern about mental health and stress levels in the profession.

“NHS doctors have come out of this pandemic battered, bruised and burned out”, said Dr Samantha Batt-Rawden, president of the Doctors’ Association UK, which undertook the research. The large number of medics who say they will leave the NHS within three years is “a shocking indictment of the government’s failure to value our nation’s doctors,” she added. “These are dedicated professionals who have put their lives on the line time and time again to keep patients in the NHS safe, and we could be about to lose them.”

In all, 1,758 doctors across the UK responded when DAUK undertook an online survey among its members. It asked: “Has the pandemic and the government’s treatment of frontline doctors during the pandemic impacted your decision to stay or leave the NHS?”. Almost seven in ten – 1,214 (69%) – said that it had made them more likely to leave the health service, while 26% said that it had not.

When asked “where do you see yourself working in the next one to three years?”, almost two-thirds of doctors – 1,143 (65%) – said they would be leaving the NHS. That finding has prompted renewed concern about NHS understaffing, as the service in England already has vacancies for 8,278 doctors, according to the most recent official figures.

...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/more-1-000-doctors-want-143010526.html

[joeysteele]

More than 1,000 UK doctors want to quit NHS over handling of pandemic...

Over 1,000 doctors plan to quit the NHS because they are disillusioned with the government’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic and frustrated about their pay, a new survey has found.

The doctors either intend to move abroad, take a career break, switch to private hospitals or resign to work as locums instead, amid growing concern about mental health and stress levels in the profession.

“NHS doctors have come out of this pandemic battered, bruised and burned out”, said Dr Samantha Batt-Rawden, president of the Doctors’ Association UK, which undertook the research. The large number of medics who say they will leave the NHS within three years is “a shocking indictment of the government’s failure to value our nation’s doctors,” she added. “These are dedicated professionals who have put their lives on the line time and time again to keep patients in the NHS safe, and we could be about to lose them.”

In all, 1,758 doctors across the UK responded when DAUK undertook an online survey among its members. It asked: “Has the pandemic and the government’s treatment of frontline doctors during the pandemic impacted your decision to stay or leave the NHS?”. Almost seven in ten – 1,214 (69%) – said that it had made them more likely to leave the health service, while 26% said that it had not.

When asked “where do you see yourself working in the next one to three years?”, almost two-thirds of doctors – 1,143 (65%) – said they would be leaving the NHS. That finding has prompted renewed concern about NHS understaffing, as the service in England already has vacancies for 8,278 doctors, according to the most recent official figures.

...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/more-1-000-doctors-want-143010526.html

Not just Doctors.
Nursing staff too from what I've learned from those I know,still just hanging on working in care, who are still reeling from the anxieties of their own health with the lack of protection equipment by the government.

This doesn't surprise me at all.

For me, for one anyhow, the PM and those Ministers clapping for the Health service workers, was it seems more just show than true respect, thanks and admiration for their efforts.

Lip service only as usual to those vital to save lives from Johnson and co.

[arista]

1301603595842998272


Update on this Fella.


['I'm innocent': Father who was pepper-sprayed
by police after refusing to wear a mask on train claims
he is exempt from the rules because he suffers from panic attacks]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8701013/Father-five-pepper-sprayed-rail-police-claims-innocent.html

[joeysteele]

Update on this Fella.


['I'm innocent': Father who was pepper-sprayed
by police after refusing to wear a mask on train claims
he is exempt from the rules because he suffers from panic attacks]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8701013/Father-five-pepper-sprayed-rail-police-claims-innocent.html

Panic attacks are helped by breathing into a paper bag covering the mouth.
So how a mask is going to bring one about is then suspect to me.

I'd expect a panic attack more if he had to have a ventilator down his throat.

Frankly his attitude in this clip, leaves me thinking he could cause panic attacks in others actually.
If he had a diagnosed medical condition which stated any facecovering, not just a mask, would be bad and wrong for him.
Then fine, make documentation available to be carried by him to prove such.

Otherwise, really anyone can say anything to avoid facecoverings.

[user104658]

There are countless excuses people could and do use, that's true. That said I'm not comfortable with the authorities actively enforcing the use of masks either - certainly not with aggressive tactics. We don't need 100% mask usage for it to be very effective, so long as voluntary use is relatively high (which it is, in my experience) I don't think seeing someone without one warrants anything more than a tut and a shake of the head. Subtle social motivators like that are actually quite powerful.

If a small number want to be defiant and refuse to wear one then make a point of steering well clear of them, and let them get on with it in public spaces.

People should be wearing them definitely but I'd err very much on the side of caution with advocating harsh authoritarian practices to enforce it. My personal moral issues with those tactics aside; I actually think they could inadvertently have the opposite effect and push more people from the "begrudging but wearing one anyway" camp, into the "I'm going to make a stand against this and throw my mask away" camp.

[bots]

Someone that wants to protest against wearing a mask isn't going to wear one. Even after decades, some people don't wear seatbelts even though it's proven to be for their own safety. The numbers are tiny though and the world want end because of them.

A lot of people feel uncomfortable when liberty is being interfered with. I would wear a mask, but I do feel that we are on a precipice regarding liberty and people need to understand what rights they are giving away

[user104658]

A lot of people feel uncomfortable when liberty is being interfered with. I would wear a mask, but I do feel that we are on a precipice regarding liberty and people need to understand what rights they are giving away

I agree (mostly) - I wish there was a way to make people understand that, at the very least, mass mask wearing is "worth a shot" whilst still keeping it as "heavily encouraged" rather than mandatory in public spaces. Although I also wish people would understand that shops and businesses are NOT public spaces that they have "the right" to use and that business owners had the balls (and financial backing of the government) to insist on mask wearing on entry.

However I accept that some people are lnt going to wear one voluntarily and - on balance - I'd rather let those people continue not wearing one then make mask wearing actually enforced in an authoritarian way. It is indeed a slippery slope, and I don't see any need. The "no masks" movement hasn't taken off to the extent that a large number of people aren't wearing them by choice - and I don't see it happening. In my experience thus far, its a very small percentage.

[Beso]

Update on this Fella.


['I'm innocent': Father who was pepper-sprayed
by police after refusing to wear a mask on train claims
he is exempt from the rules because he suffers from panic attacks]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8701013/Father-five-pepper-sprayed-rail-police-claims-innocent.html



Looks like he was having one of those panic attacks once the over zealous policeman grabbed him.

[arista]

Today
Massive amount of Infections of Covid-19 in the UK
2,988

SkyNewsHD

More Young Folks catching Covid-19
on many reports today and last week,

[Beso]

I was at a house party last weekend for my mates 50th, spent the afternoon huddled in a bar together..rather reckless behaviour by all, but worth it.

So far no reported cases.

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Hancock 'concerned' as daily
UK Covid-19 cases hit highest level since May]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-2-988-new-covid-19-cases-reported-in-uk-12065288

[DouglasS]

I was at a house party last weekend for my mates 50th, spent the afternoon huddled in a bar together..rather reckless behaviour by all, but worth it.

So far no reported cases.

Yes I’m hitting the bars this week with lots of friends, looking forward to it

[arista]

Today 2 Dead.

Breakdown on new cases

208 in Scotland
98 in Wales
106 in Northern Ireland
2,576 in England

2,988 new cases in all.

Ref: Ch4HDnews.


Total Number of Deaths of Covid-19 in the UK : 41,551


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

today
massive amount of infections of covid-19 in the uk
2,988

skynewshd

more young folks catching covid-19
on many reports today and last week,

that isnt massive

how many of them are actually ill?

[Zizu]

that isnt massive



how many of them are actually ill?

Not massive ??

The experts suggest that until we get it under 100 new cases daily ( ideally under 50) we should all be very , very worried .

Sky reporting that 3,000 new infections in the UK - highest new cases since May ..

Mainly under 30’s but this follows the pattern in other countries whew these younger ones spread it onto their OLDER family members / friends ..

Great .... all the demixs take liberties then it’s our generation who get real sick and die :(




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[Crimson Dynamo]

Not massive ??

The experts suggest that until we get it under 100 new cases daily ( ideally under 50) we should all be very , very worried .

Sky reporting that 3,000 new infections in the UK - highest new cases since May ..

Mainly under 30’s but this follows the pattern in other countries whew these younger ones spread it onto their OLDER family members / friends ..

Great .... all the demixs take liberties then it’s our generation who get real sick and die :(




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and how many are actually ill - in bed at deaths door?

just a number would be great

[Crimson Dynamo]

or even as bad as a bad cold?

[arista]

that isnt massive

how many of them are actually ill?



It's a massive increase,
it takes time for them to get ill
and Some younger people with Covid-19
do not need a Hospital - lucky them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a massive increase,
it takes time for them to get ill
and Some younger people with Covid-19
do not need a Hospital - lucky them.

yes and how many get actually ill?

ill to go to bed like you would if you got flu

because if these numbers who are positive are just positive and not ill

THAT IS A HUGE THING, ITS ALSO MASSIVELY MISLEADING THE GBP

[Zizu]

and how many are actually ill - in bed at deaths door?



just a number would be great



That’s irrelevant as each one can now pass it onto gawd knows how many others will are far more likely to get very ill and even die ...


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[bots]

the critical figure has always been the number of hospital admissions as that indicates the number of seriously ill and the number of hospital beds taken up by covid patients is tiny at the moment.


The issue with increased infection numbers is that there is a higher chance of catching it and/or passing it on to someone who is vulnerable, however, those that are vulnerable will be fine if they social distance, so it's up to individuals to make sure they are safe, it's in their own hands

[joeysteele]

That’s irrelevant as each one can now pass it onto gawd knows how many others will are far more likely to get very ill and even die ...


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Exactly and with the most vulnerable too, now told they no longer shield.
That danger is even more increased.

You are right in my view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

that’s irrelevant as each one can now pass it onto gawd knows how many others will are far more likely to get very ill and even die ...


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so i take it that you dont know

and this is obviously the problem

what we are doing is projecting that these people are gravely ill and they are not

scaremongering

[Crimson Dynamo]

the critical figure has always been the number of hospital admissions as that indicates the number of seriously ill and the number of hospital beds taken up by covid patients is tiny at the moment.


The issue with increased infection numbers is that there is a higher chance of catching it and/or passing it on to someone who is vulnerable, however, those that are vulnerable will be fine if they social distance, so it's up to individuals to make sure they are safe, it's in their own hands

Epidemiologists have already said the "most vulnerable" are already dead

[bots]

Epidemiologists have already said the "most vulnerable" are already dead

that is absolutely true, because the death rate is now below the year to year average which is because covid has already killed a lot of the vulnerable, however, its not a static situation, people enter the vulnerable category continuously

[Crimson Dynamo]

Infection rates rise but deaths and hospital admissions remain low as experts
say people are passing on smaller doses of coronavirus due to social distancing

In England, there are about 450 patients in hospital with Covid-19 – well below the 17,000 that were during the pandemic's peak in April.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/05/18/32815654-8700927-image-a-4_1599327432867.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8703103/Infection-rates-rise-deaths-hospital-admissions-remain-low.html

[Zizu]

so i take it that you dont know

and this is obviously the problem

what we are doing is projecting that these people are gravely ill and they are not

scaremongering



I truly hope that things aren’t as dire as they seem , bud


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[Zizu]

So those that are vulnerable will be fine if they social distance, so it's up to individuals to make sure they are safe, it's in their own hands



Only up to a point though ...I’m over 60 and still working in classes in a high school with 1200 pupils and well over a 100 staff .. pupils are not wearing masks in class ..


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[arista]

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[Ammi]

Matt Hancock: Rise in COVID-19 cases 'concerning'...


https://news.sky.com/video/matt-hancock-rise-in-covid-19-cases-concerning-12065409


...indeed, very concerning, Matt Hancock...as if he’s had an extended loo break during this time and not played any part in that ‘concerning’....pfffftttt...make sure that you wash your hands while singing Happy Birthday to yourself before you and your government return to culpability land, Matt...

[AnnieK]

One of our local high schools in Salford have had a confirmed case in year 7. That year group are all self isolating for 2 weeks but all the other years are still in. And so it begins....:eek:

[Ammi]

One of our local high schools in Salford have had a confirmed case in year 7. That year group are all self isolating for 2 weeks but all the other years are still in. And so it begins....:eek:

...I guess in a city that you have test centres close by, Annie...because especially as it all strives for ‘normality’ more now...testing is such a vital thing...


....but yeah, it’s been one of the toughest times for year 7’s particularly as well...because so many ‘final things’ that they weren’t able to experience in their year 6...:sad:...and not able to properly meet their new school either as previous year 6 that have gone before...now they’ve barely been there and again that meeting and feeling comfortable is interrupted again...they obviously need to isolate that bubble, but it’s just so sad...

[bots]

it should never get back to the point we were at in March if people are wearing masks and/or social distancing

[user104658]

it should never get back to the point we were at in March if people are wearing masks and/or social distancingAssuming that masks and social distancing are what resulted in the drop in cases.

I'm not saying that isn't the case (although I think it's important to emphasise that it's still social distancing and hand hygiene that are the most important things by far).

But yeah there's no actual data on this. We know the things we did and we know those things work in test conditions, we know that case numbers fell... But we have no real robust data to confirm the causal relationship.

[bots]

what i mean to say is that cases are going to rise as we go from a complete lockdown to having an open society again, and we should never lose sight of the fact that the reason we had the lockdown was to reduce the rate of infection and thus reduce the pressure on the NHS. It doesn't matter how many are infected if the pressure on the NHS remains below it's critical threshold. Obviously from a safety point of view we want the infection rate as low as possible, but it is what it is until we get effective treatment and/or a vaccine

[arista]

Experts are saying the next 7 days
will show us how & what, this (2,988 yesterday) massive infection means.


BBC1 AM

[arista]

Ref:GMBHD itv

The London Mayor confirmed
some in London who needed a Covid-19 Test
were told to go to the Isle of Wight.



MTVN
thinks there is no problem getting tests

How Wrong he is.

[Strictly Jake]

One of our local high schools in Salford have had a confirmed case in year 7. That year group are all self isolating for 2 weeks but all the other years are still in. And so it begins....:eek:

Thats why the year groups are in bubbles. At the school I work at they have assigned each building to a year group and they have to remain in that bubble so if someone on the building is positive then its that year group that has to isolate rather than the whole school

[Strictly Jake]

Do we know what the R rate currently is?

I have no idea where we currently stand on all that now we dont have the daily coronavirus updates and graphs etc. I thought things are supposed to change of the R rate is over 1?

[Ammi]

Thats why the year groups are in bubbles. At the school I work at they have assigned each building to a year group and they have to remain in that bubble so if someone on the building is positive then its that year group that has to isolate rather than the whole school

...it’s so much easier to risk assess for primary schools, I think...for many it would be only one class representing one year group/bubble...obviously more classes for the bigger town/city schools etc...but still much less than a higher school which have multiple primary’s feeding into them...I can’t even begin to fathom that, how to make it all work with all of the assessment considerations that are needed to implement...

[Strictly Jake]

The peak age range of infection is now people in their 20s.

Just consider that for a moment whilst you remember, in the next couple of weeks universities are about to open to 1000s of students at each one flying in from all around the world. Brazil...Spain...France
..India


As I clean at a university and at a school I feel extremely nervous as the days go on. I wear gloves and a mask. But is that enough? Yes im not one of the vunerable. But I have a 5 month old baby at home who hasnt really being exposed to the outside world much during lockdown etc

People on here saying the infection rate increasing isnt worrying. Well for some of us it is

[joeysteele]

Ref:GMBHD itv

The London Mayor confirmed
some in London who needed a Covid-19 Test
were told to go to the Isle of Wight.



MTVN
thinks there is no problem getting tests

How Wrong he is.

The testing is still far from fit for purpose..
Even to the time of getting the results too.

However, Johnson just has to say all is wonderful and it's believed.

People are having to travel fairly long distances still just to get a test, as you say.
However it's stated almost every day on news or shows where covid comes up.

No wonder they stopped the daily briefings.
They can continue to deceive with next to no scrutiny.

[Strictly Jake]

...it’s so much easier to risk assess for primary schools, I think...for many it would be only one class representing one year group/bubble...obviously more classes for the bigger town/city schools etc...but still much less than a higher school which have multiple primary’s feeding into them...I can’t even begin to fathom that, how to make it all work with all of the assessment considerations that are needed to implement...

Well my daughters primary school has 2 classes in her year and they have to stay in that bubble they cant interact with the other class, so you have staggered times of going in being picked up and playtimes. Even parents have to stay in that bubble outside the school they cant wait in another area(how that works for people with kids in different years...I dont know)

In the high school I work at its the same. Each building is big enough for one year group to be in. The building I clean is for year 7s. The main building of the school is for year 11s etc etc

But I do wonder for siblings who are in other year groups would that defeat the purpose of a bubble.

For instance...if the year 11s had one postive case so all got sent home....but the postive case had a younger sibling in year 7 for example....would the year 7s then also go off??

Its all very much a grey area!

[Strictly Jake]

Also within 2 days of being at school my niece has caught a cold. Very likely she will have to be told to stay at home now.

As we go into the winter months that is a lot of students who will be told to stay at home

And if someone can catch a cold that quickly at a school then its easy to catch other viruses too....they say its not worrying for kids to get it....but what about their relatives or teachers and other staff?

[bots]

kids may have to stick within bubbles while they are at school, but, kids will be kids, and they will interact with multiple groups outside of school, they always have and they always will, so the bubble concept is fatally flawed. It never ceases to surprise me how stupid these rule makers are

[user104658]

kids may have to stick within bubbles while they are at school, but, kids will be kids, and they will interact with multiple groups outside of school, they always have and they always will, so the bubble concept is fatally flawed. It never ceases to surprise me how stupid these rule makers are

It gets even more bizarre when you consider sibling links within a school. My daughter is in P7, of her friends in her class (each class is a "bubble"), I know of kids with siblings in P1, 3, 4 and 5 at the very least. So yes they're in a school bubble, not allowed to interact with the other year groups at school, but they're living with people in other bubbles, which effectively makes it all one big bubble :think:.

To further complicate that you have situations like my own; the school in our village doesn't have an ASD provision, so my youngest attends a completely different school in the area, about 15 minutes away. It's within another mainstream primary school (actually a bigger one than my eldest attends). It really puts a tonne of holes in the primary school class bubble concept. If my daughter's friend's little sister is in a class that has to isolate... but she lives with another kid... who is in my daughters class... who lives with her sister who is at another school... etc.

[Crimson Dynamo]

1302702423178448897

[user104658]

I don't claim to know which stat is or isn't most important (at a guess, I would say hospital admissions primarily) but I do definitely find it ... "interesting" ... that for months (and months) we were constantly told by All News Media that deaths was the "important stat" and it was the one on all of the front pages, no one really bothered about any other figure, just that big ol' scary deaths-per-day bell tolling in the afternoon... but now that deaths per day are relatively low it's the "bigger, scarier" new cases number that All News Media is hyper-focussed on. One suspects that it's mainly for that reason; easier to sensationalise a larger number and they have to keep the news "thrilling" (scare people) for the views & clicks.

[Strictly Jake]

I tell you what is a strange experience. Go on the link in the op on the first page of this to see the old coronavirus thread and read the first 10 pages of when this all started. The time it took to escalate was so scary looking back! Also look at how much of a meltdown the country went to when there were just 3 positive cases, now we have almost 3000 daily cases and that isnt a big number...apparently

Also remember the 1 death we had and everything went into chaos and people were stockpiling pasta and toilet rolls. Now we get at least 10 daily deaths. That also is now a low number...

[user104658]

I tell you what is a strange experience. Go on the link in the op on the first page of this to see the old coronavirus thread and read the first 10 pages of when this all started. The time it took to escalate was so scary looking back! Also look at how much of a meltdown the country went to when there were just 3 positive cases, now we have almost 3000 daily cases and that isnt a big number...apparently

To be fair (and I know it often doesn't feel like this) - I think this is because the virus itself isn't as severe as many people were concerned it might be. There was so much uncertainty back then about this being some sort of world-ending apocalyptic virus, so many unknowns, so much conflicting information and numbers coming from all over the place, that a bit of panic was inevitable. Despite everything still being very up in the air in terms of where it's going, we DO know certain things such as; the death rate is around 0.7%, deaths are massively skewed to the very elderly and people with other complex underlying conditions, and the medical profession is making constant advances in the best treatment strategies to reduce mortality. The death toll has been awful, the social and economic effects have been awful, but even at it's absolute worst we know it's not apocalyptic, that most people are asymptomatic, and that most others recover. There are still scare stories around but that's how things stand overall.

Back in the early days we had no idea about those things and it was widely believed that all or most cases were severe and horrendous, and that the death rate might be as high as 10 - 20%.

[user104658]

people were stockpiling pasta and toilet rolls

That part was always crazy. Really fascinating stuff, from a sociology viewpoint. Especially the toilet rolls. Irrationality gone viral.

[bots]

I don't claim to know which stat is or isn't most important (at a guess, I would say hospital admissions primarily) but I do definitely find it ... "interesting" ... that for months (and months) we were constantly told by All News Media that deaths was the "important stat" and it was the one on all of the front pages, no one really bothered about any other figure, just that big ol' scary deaths-per-day bell tolling in the afternoon... but now that deaths per day are relatively low it's the "bigger, scarier" new cases number that All News Media is hyper-focussed on. One suspects that it's mainly for that reason; easier to sensationalise a larger number and they have to keep the news "thrilling" (scare people) for the views & clicks.

yeah this is what i'm inclined to think to. If the death rate starts going up markedly then there is cause for concern, but media shouldn't be creating scaremongering news when it's not appropriate. We all know they have to make money (except the bbc) but they have a public responsibility in this pandemic, and right from the start they have not been responsible in what they have published

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhT0pr9WkAMOLnU?format=jpg&name=900x900

You Bleedin' Trouble Maker

[Ammi]

...I’ve just had a WhatsApp conversation with friends about this...one school is in my local area and the other in the neighbouring county of Norfolk...both counties which apparently have low cases, so many testing centres have been closed down as the government deemed them not needed...this government is just the most chaotic and that’s one of its best days...on its worst, well...


Two schools close after teachers test positive for coronavirus just days after reopening...


Two schools have closed after teaching staff tested positive for coronavirus within days of reopening.

Last week, there were queues at the gates as schools reopened across the UK.

Samuel Ward Academy in Haverhill, Suffolk, closed on Monday for a deep clean after five teachers tested positive for COVID-19, while another two are waiting for their test results.

And Old Buckenham High School near Attleborough, Norfolk, was also closed on Monday for a deep clean after a member of staff tested positive for coronavirus.

Samuel Ward Academy reopened to some pupils last Thursday and many more from other year groups were due to return on Monday.

In a statement, the school said the closure was a “precautionary measure” and that it hoped to reopen on Tuesday.



...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/school-closes-five-teachers-test-positive-coronavirus-095707690.html

[Jessica.]

...I’ve just had a WhatsApp conversation with friends about this...one school is in my local area and the other in the neighbouring county of Norfolk...both counties which apparently have low cases, so many testing centres have been closed down as the government deemed them not needed...this government is just the most chaotic and that’s one of its best days...on its worst, well...


Two schools close after teachers test positive for coronavirus just days after reopening...


Two schools have closed after teaching staff tested positive for coronavirus within days of reopening.

Last week, there were queues at the gates as schools reopened across the UK.

Samuel Ward Academy in Haverhill, Suffolk, closed on Monday for a deep clean after five teachers tested positive for COVID-19, while another two are waiting for their test results.

And Old Buckenham High School near Attleborough, Norfolk, was also closed on Monday for a deep clean after a member of staff tested positive for coronavirus.

Samuel Ward Academy reopened to some pupils last Thursday and many more from other year groups were due to return on Monday.

In a statement, the school said the closure was a “precautionary measure” and that it hoped to reopen on Tuesday.



...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/school-closes-five-teachers-test-positive-coronavirus-095707690.html

I feel so bad for all kids and staff having to work during this mess. :bawling:

[Ammi]

I feel so bad for all kids and staff having to work during this mess. :bawling:

...Gin is the answer I think, Jess...(...apparently...)...adults only though, obviously...

[bots]

there was always going to be an increase in cases when schools went back. The chief medical officer stated that we were at the threshold before they even opened. The thing is that schools opening is producing so many cases it's dwarfing everything else so, how can they consider shutting down other areas to keep schools open ... it isn't logical. Do people really think the schools will remain open until christmas? I don't

[Ammi]

Coronavirus latest news live: Shapps making travel statement - as daily death figures released...



...15:29pm - I call the government chaotic at best....15:51 - Shadow transport secretary criticises 'chaotic' government approach...BB is watching us...


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-latest-news-live-updates-on-the-covid-19-pandemic-12056786

[Ammi]

there was always going to be an increase in cases when schools went back. The chief medical officer stated that we were at the threshold before they even opened. The thing is that schools opening is producing so many cases it's dwarfing everything else so, how can they consider shutting down other areas to keep schools open ... it isn't logical. Do people really think the schools will remain open until christmas? I don't

...for me, it’s not so much the increased cases with the schools going back because them going back is something that needed to happen...it’s more, being prepared as much as possible with the testing because they’re going back/as is industry etc...I mean, if you have a county like ours for instance, that has low infection cases..?...then everything in place is contributing to that low count..?...so the only logical thing is to continue with all testing centre open etc.../ ...most primary school children themselves could work that out easily if posed with the debate...but what do our government do...?...they close down centres in areas where they’re obviously contributing and essential to keep open as well...it’s like saying...the masks are working guys and keeping infection figures low...so let’s all take them off or only wear them when we feel like it...

[bots]

...for me, it’s not so much the increased cases with the schools going back because them going back is something that needed to happen...it’s more, being prepared as much as possible with the testing because they’re going back/as is industry etc...I mean, if you have a county like ours for instance, that has low infection cases..?...then everything in place is contributing to that low count..?...so the only logical thing is to continue with all testing centre open etc.../ ...most primary school children themselves could work that out easily if posed with the debate...but what do our government do...?...they close down centres in areas where they’re obviously contributing and essential to keep open as well...it’s like saying...the masks are working guys and keeping infection figures low...so let’s all take them off or only wear them when we feel like it...

we are mimicking the american issue. As cases rose there, they shut down testing centres too. It doesn't make sense to me at all ... test and trace was the proven strategy. I hope its not to keep the number of reported cases down

[Ammi]

we are mimicking the american issue. As cases rose there, they shut down testing centres too. It doesn't make sense to me at all ... test and trace was the proven strategy. I hope its not to keep the number of reported cases down

...yeah, it’s going very well in the USA, I hear...

[Lewismacfarlane]

I'm back in college in a couple of weeks

[Ammi]

Hundreds told to self-isolate after dozens catch coronavirus at charity football game...


Hundreds of people in England have been asked to self-isolate after attending a charity football match to prevent potential spread of coronavirus.

Up to 300 attendees of the game, which took place on the border of Sunderland and Durham near Houghton-le-Spring on 30 August, have been asked to quarantine themselves until 14 days after it took place.

The move came after 28 people who went to the match at the Burnside Working Men’s Club tested positive for COVID-19.


...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-durham-sunderland-hundreds-isolate-130254407.html

[Ammi]

I'm back in college in a couple of weeks

...you’ll be fine, Lewis...:hug:...just mask up and social distance etc as much as you’re able to...all we hear on the media is the schools/colleges etc that have had cases and maybe leading to closures...?....but so, so, so many schools with no cases at all...much more that we don’t hear about than we do.../...and that’s a good thing...:hug:...

[Beso]

I would say 85 percent of the population have had it or have it.

[bots]

I would say 85 percent of the population have had it or have it.

the last time i looked i believe it was estimated to be about 5% of the population that's had it, and it hasn't changed much since then.

[user104658]

there was always going to be an increase in cases when schools went back. The chief medical officer stated that we were at the threshold before they even opened. The thing is that schools opening is producing so many cases it's dwarfing everything else so, how can they consider shutting down other areas to keep schools open ... it isn't logical. Do people really think the schools will remain open until christmas? I don't

The schools in England haven't been back long enough for new cases to be because of schools opening, also, the proportionate rises (and timing of the increase) in Scotland and England are the same despite Scottish schools going back 3 weeks ago. The issue is not schools.

[Zizu]

The schools in England haven't been back long enough for new cases to be because of schools .



I was thinking that... but now they’re saying you can be tested positive after just two days of initial contact .. many uk pupils returned to school last Wednesday ..


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[bots]

The schools in England haven't been back long enough for new cases to be because of schools opening, also, the proportionate rises (and timing of the increase) in Scotland and England are the same despite Scottish schools going back 3 weeks ago. The issue is not schools.

yes they could, but it will likely get a lot worse

[arista]

2,948 Massive New Cases, again. UK Covid-19.

Today 3 deaths

Total: 41,554 Covid-19 Deaths in the UK


Ref: Ch4HDnews.

[Liam-]

Caerphilly has been put back into lockdown

[Crimson Dynamo]

2,948 Massive New Cases, again. UK Covid-19.

Today 3 deaths

Total: 41,554 Covid-19 Deaths in the UK


Ref: Ch4HDnews.

How many got ill?

how many just test pos and nothing?

because that is the story

numbers are irrelevant

[Crimson Dynamo]

Caerphilly has been put back into lockdown

chesus Christ

[arista]

How many got ill?

how many just test pos and nothing?

because that is the story

numbers are irrelevant


Look LT
it takes 3 weeks to get worse in some cases


756 in Hospital

More data
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Caerphilly has been put back into lockdown


Yes Ch4HDnews Live from there


10 Schools in Wales
having to self-isolate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Patients in ventilator beds
69

very very low number
deaths very very low

[arista]

Patients in ventilator beds
69

very very low number
deaths very very low


At this moment Yes
but it change in the next 7 days
it has a lag.

[bots]

The latest "big change" in coronavirus infections across the UK is of "great concern", England's deputy chief medical officer has warned.

Prof Jonathan Van Tam said people have "relaxed too much" over the summer and "we have got to start taking this very seriously again".

If not, the UK will have "a bumpy ride over the next few months", he warned.

He said that infections among younger people in EU countries had later filtered through to older age groups.

His comments came as more parts of the UK are to face tougher restrictions following a rise in the number of cases.

On Sunday UK authorities announced 2,988 new cases - the highest figure since 22 May, while a further 2,948 cases were reported in the 24 hours to 09:00 BST on Monday.

Stricter rules on home visits will be extended to two more areas in the west of Scotland from midnight.

In Wales, the county borough of Caerphilly is to be placed under a local lockdown from 18:00 BST on Tuesday.

"People have relaxed too much, now is the time for us to re-engage, and to realise that this a continuing threat to us," Prof Van Tam said.

He added that hospital admissions and deaths were "at a very low level" in the UK and the rise in cases was most prominent among those aged between 17 and 21 - but the country risks following the trajectory of some EU countries.

"Where case numbers rise initially in the younger parts of the population they do in turn filter through and start to give elevated rates of disease and hospital admissions in the older age groups, and we know that then becomes a serious public health problem," he said.

"The fact that 17 to 21-year-olds are not becoming ill means they are lucky, but they also forget because the disease is not severe for them that they are potent spreaders."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54065793

[Crimson Dynamo]

He knows people have relaxed to much how?

Oh wait he doesn't

[arista]

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[Liam-]

I love the way young people are getting blamed for the spikes and the government and media are completely ignoring the hoards of angry middle aged conspiracy theorists gathering in the centre of England for a mask free COVID-orgy

[arista]

I love the way young people are getting blamed for the spikes and the government and media are completely ignoring the hoards of angry middle aged conspiracy theorists gathering in the centre of England for a mask free COVID-orgy


Sure they are some Pathetic middle aged
causing trouble, as well.

[Beso]

Patients in ventilator beds
69

very very low number
deaths very very low

Some may be using 2 beds

[Beso]

I love the way young people are getting blamed for the spikes and the government and media are completely ignoring the hoards of angry middle aged conspiracy theorists gathering in the centre of England for a mask free COVID-orgy

London ain't the problem.. northerners need to get out more imo.

[Ammi]

Up to £3.5 billion of furlough cash stolen or paid out in error, HMRC boss says...

The Government believes it may have paid out up to £3.5 billion in wrong or fraudulent claims for the furlough scheme.

Jim Harra, the top civil servant at HMRC, said that his staff believe between 5% and 10% of furlough cash might have gone to the wrong places.

“We have made an assumption for the purposes of our planning that the error and fraud rate in this scheme could be between 5% and 10%,” the permanent secretary said.

He was speaking in front of MPs on the Public Accounts Committee.

The Government has so far paid out £35.4 billion in furlough cash, according to the latest figures.

It means that somewhere between £1.75 billion and £3.5 billion could have been paid out wrongly.

“That will range from deliberate fraud through to error,” he added.

“What we have said in our risk assessment is we are not going to set out to try to find employers who have made legitimate mistakes in compiling their claims, because this is obviously something new that everybody had to get to grips with in a very difficult time.

“Although we will expect employers to check their claims and repay any excess amount, but what we will be focusing on is tackling abuse and fraud.”

It is the first time HMRC has spoken publicly about the level of potential fraud that could have been committed as part of the job retention scheme, which covered up to 80% of an employee’s salary while they were on furlough.

The Government rolled out the massive scheme at breakneck speed, causing many experts to say that a certain amount of fraud was inevitable.

Furlough is now winding down and is expected to end for good next month, however businesses who bring staff back from furlough will receive another £1,000 if the employee is still in work by the end of January.

By August 16 this year, 9.6 million people had been put on Government-supported furlough, with 1.2 million employers claiming the support.

Meanwhile, around 2.7 million self-employed people have claimed around £7.8 billion in support from the Government.

Mr Harra said that an academic study has estimated that the level of fraud and error might be even higher than 10%.

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/3-5-billion-furlough-cash-153045231.html

[Beso]

the last time i looked i believe it was estimated to be about 5% of the population that's had it, and it hasn't changed much since then.

Well it will be much much much higher than that because I believe 90 percent of people dont show any symptoms whatsoever.

[arista]

Due to Covid-19 and the recent problems with, their debts
73 Pizza Express will close, sadly

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pizza-express-slimming-plans-that-put-1-100-jobs-at-risk-are-approved-12065810

[michael21]

Due to Covid-19
73 Pizza Express will close, sadly

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pizza-express-slimming-plans-that-put-1-100-jobs-at-risk-are-approved-12065810

Covid-19 did not help but cant be fully blame or the whole company would be closing up there closing the shop that are close to another shop company be doing this way before Covid-19 utta fact

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/KQpdFS1l7FFKuRLtBd192Q/https/media.fyre.co/fqJ4yiVQl2WGSRm3HNrT_0809%20Times.JPG

[Beso]

This post sums up my shopping trip to the local convenience shop.

True story:
Out tonight. Local convenience store.
Entire queue at the check out.. maybe 10 folk... all fairly spaced apart but by no stretch of the imagination, 1+ 2 mtrs apart.
All bar one, in that queue (about 9 people plus kids) are not wearing masks, kids, adults, beefcake lads, mums with kids,... none of them..., ... not a one...

... except this one bemused looking lady, in a 3 day old, standard ****wit issue, black 'reusable' face mask possibly crawling in bacteria.....
She looked around, a dozen times... and I could actually see her thinking...

.... and then yes!!

Without prompting or badgering, without a single word said, she quietly took off her mask, and stuffed it in her pocket... I actually watched her BREATHE... It was a wonderful sight, I can tell you... Whether it was just the air, or the air and the relief, I don't know... but I watched a person breathe deep lungfuls of air, that, until then, they had foregone.

I could tell that she had recognised, and faced, her own fears, simply because of the strength she gained from all those in the shop. That is where our strengths really lie...

[user104658]

This post sums up my shopping trip to the local convenience shop.

True story:
Out tonight. Local convenience store.
Entire queue at the check out.. maybe 10 folk... all fairly spaced apart but by no stretch of the imagination, 1+ 2 mtrs apart.
All bar one, in that queue (about 9 people plus kids) are not wearing masks, kids, adults, beefcake lads, mums with kids,... none of them..., ... not a one...

... except this one bemused looking lady, in a 3 day old, standard ****wit issue, black 'reusable' face mask possibly crawling in bacteria.....
She looked around, a dozen times... and I could actually see her thinking...

.... and then yes!!

Without prompting or badgering, without a single word said, she quietly took off her mask, and stuffed it in her pocket... I actually watched her BREATHE... It was a wonderful sight, I can tell you... Whether it was just the air, or the air and the relief, I don't know... but I watched a person breathe deep lungfuls of air, that, until then, they had foregone.

I could tell that she had recognised, and faced, her own fears, simply because of the strength she gained from all those in the shop. That is where our strengths really lie...

Our strengths lie in embarrassed old ladies caving to peer pressure from a bunch of chavs, and removing something that might protect her (specifically her, as an at risk category) out of conformity?

:think: those seem like odd strengths.

[Beso]

Our strengths lie in embarrassed old ladies caving to peer pressure from a bunch of chavs, and removing something that might protect her (specifically her, as an at risk category) out of conformity?

:think: those seem like odd strengths.

Who said she was old?


And we have all caved into peer pressure by wearing masks.

[user104658]

Who said she was old?

Apologies; I read "this one bemused looking lady" as "this old bemused looking lady".


And we have all caved into peer pressure by wearing masks.

Only those who are dumb enough to not want to wear one out of choice.

[arista]

"Health secretary makes statement amid
reports of 'toughening up' indoor gathering rules"

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-latest-news-live-uk-faces-a-bumpy-ride-if-people-stop-taking-covid-19-seriously-12066341

[michael21]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/KQpdFS1l7FFKuRLtBd192Q/https/media.fyre.co/fqJ4yiVQl2WGSRm3HNrT_0809%20Times.JPG

Sign of the Times


Sorry I had to :shrug:

[arista]

Please Take Note LT

Today 30 Deaths Of Covid-19 in the UK.



2,420 infected with Covid-19 (without the Northern Ireland numbers)

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Total UK Deaths of Covid-19 :41,584

[Zizu]

Sign of the Times





Sorry I had to :shrug:



Hancock makes a good point in my opinion .. young folk and teenagers in particular are having a great time , living the life and being irresponsible then they go into our schools each day where there are hundreds of thousands of staff who are far more at risk .


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[arista]

[Coronavirus: People in Bolton not allowed to socialise
with other households after rise in cases
Restaurants will be restricted to
takeaway only and venues will have
to close from 10pm to 5am under the tightened measures.]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-people-in-bolton-not-allowed-to-socialise-with-other-households-after-rise-in-cases-12066627

[michael21]

[Coronavirus: People in Bolton not allowed to socialise
with other households after rise in cases
Restaurants will be restricted to
takeaway only and venues will have
to close from 10pm to 5am under the tightened measures.]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-people-in-bolton-not-allowed-to-socialise-with-other-households-after-rise-in-cases-12066627

So in Bolton you can't get covonavis before 10pm is that what the government saying

[arista]

On Ch5HDnews Live in Bolton
some bars are closing
and not doing take away
Due to the new Bolton Zone Rules today.

Many could just drive 10 miles away to the next Town.

[bots]

On Ch5HDnews Live in Bolton
some bars are closing
and not doing take away
Due to the new Bolton Zone Rules today.

Many could just drive 10 miles away to the next Town.

drinking and driving? :nono:

[arista]

drinking and driving? :nono:


Maybe a non-drinking Old person could drive them
there and back.

[MTVN]

Hancock makes a good point in my opinion .. young folk and teenagers in particular are having a great time , living the life and being irresponsible then they go into our schools each day where there are hundreds of thousands of staff who are far more at risk .


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Hardly a great time having a lot of your youth snatched away by the pandemic, this is no time to be young

[Zizu]

Hardly a great time having a lot of your youth snatched away by the pandemic, this is no time to be young



Well it’s even worse for us older ones ..


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[joeysteele]

Can Hancock get any worse.

This government of which HE is Health secretary, At a stroke stop shielding the elderly, making it likely they have to go out more.

They then force schools back.
Universities will be returning soon too.
There'll be cities and shops filled with more people.

Then screaming for people to stop working at home and fill the offices and cities and towns again too.

While the elderly have to do as best they can among all of that.

Then Hancock sets out to pin onto and add blame to the young, for any possible rise in deaths of the elderly.

That man is a total disgrace across the board.

[Zizu]

Can Hancock get any worse.

This government of which HE is Health secretary, At a stroke stop shielding the elderly, making it likely they have to go out more.

They then force schools back.
Universities will be returning soon too.
There'll be cities and shops filled with more people.

Then screaming for people to stop working at home and fill the offices and cities and towns again too.

While the elderly have to do as best they can among all of that.

Then Hancock sets out to pin onto and add blame to the young, for any possible rise in deaths of the elderly.

That man is a total disgrace across the board.



The thing is many , many teenagers and the under 30’s are carrying on as though Covid simply doesn’t exist .




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[MTVN]

Well it’s even worse for us older ones ..


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These aren't some of your most formative years at least though which makes any restrictions more tolerable

[joeysteele]

The thing is many , many teenagers and the under 30’s are carrying on as though Covid simply doesn’t exist .




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I can't agree.
Perhaps in party settings maybe.

However the government has issued conflicting and confusing advice.
It's still starting to pussyfoot around things again now

How many areas across the Country are now having to be watched as to rising infections.
While this lot start it seems their previous procrastination stance again.

The testing seems to have problems almost everywhere.
However,
I think there's more than just the young failing to observe the safety advice.

Which was always going to result in opening up too much too soon.
Which is totally this government's decision to do so.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

i've always thought that Hancock wasn't up to the job and it's been proven throughout the pandemic. I don't trust him, indeed, i don't trust any of them. I look after myself and my family and friends and that's how i will continue

[Zizu]

I can't agree.

Perhaps in party settings maybe.



However the government has issued conflicting and confusing advice.

It's still starting to pussyfoot around things again now



How many areas across the Country are now having to be watched as to rising infections.

While this lot start it seems their previous procrastination stance again.



The testing seems to have problems almost everywhere.

However,

I think there's more than just the young failing to observe the safety advice.



Which was always going to result in opening up too much too soon.

Which is totally this government's decision to do so.



Raves , parties , BBQs ... pubs/ clubs not social distancing .

Teenagers can be seen gathering , close together in groups all over the place .. including the local parks evenings .. they are carrying on as normal .


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[joeysteele]

Raves , parties , BBQs ... pubs/ clubs not social distancing .

Teenagers can be seen gathering , close together in groups all over the place .. including the local parks evenings .. they are carrying on as normal .


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I am pretty sure from people I talk to.
It's not only the young who are not social distancing in pubs and restaurants.

There's pubs open which aren't even taking contact details.
3 friends of mine left when they weren't asked to leave contact details in one.

They're not just to blame.
To make a generalised statement like don't kill your Grandparents.
From a Minister and Health minister at that.
Is at best unbelievable and really pathetic.

My judgment needs sharpening up definitely, I once thought Hancock could have been a good leader of the Con party.
Now all I've seen from him is deceit and him being a walking disaster.

[Zizu]

I am pretty sure from people I talk to.

It's not only the young who are not social distancing in pubs and restaurants.



There's pubs open which aren't even taking contact details.

3 friends of mine left when they weren't asked to leave contact details in one.



They're not just to blame.

To make a generalised statement like don't kill your Grandparents.

From a Minister and Health minister at that.

Is at best unbelievable and really pathetic.



My judgment needs sharpening up definitely, I once thought Hancock could have been a good leader of the Con party.

Now all I've seen from him is deceit and him being a walking disaster.



I’m no admirer myself but I think he’s just trying to shock the under 30’s into acting sensibly


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[bots]

Social gatherings of more than six people will be illegal in England from Monday - with some exemptions - amid a steep rise in coronavirus cases.

A new legal limit will ban larger groups meeting anywhere socially indoors or outdoors, No 10 said.

But it will not apply to schools, workplaces or Covid-secure weddings, funerals and organised team sports.

It will be enforced through a £100 fine if people fail to comply with police, doubling up to a maximum of £3,200.

Several exemptions apply to the new rules - which come into force on 14 September - with households and support bubbles bigger than six people are unaffected.

A full list of exemptions will be published by the government later.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to deliver further details at a Downing Street news conference on Wednesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54081131

----

its going to continue to tighten up,

[Scarlett.]

So... what does this actually mean? Does it mean people in groups of six can't meet up in a pub/restaraunt or does it mean no more than six people can be in a pub/restaraunt?

[joeysteele]

I doubt these incompetents in government have a clue what they really mean in their rulings and guidelines.

They can only create confusion and even contradict the advice they give.

Quite where we're heading now again, I doubt they even have a clue.

[Zizu]

So... what does this actually mean? Does it mean people in groups of six can't meet up in a pub/restaraunt or does it mean no more than six people can be in a pub/restaraunt?



It apparently means I’ll be ok in a classroom with two other adults and 34 teenagers as long as the window is open ...


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[arista]

1303477668394852352

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/09/01/32942416-0-image-m-24_1599611791847.jpg

[arista]

[Oxford and AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine trial is put on HOLD
for safety reasons after a British volunteer
had a 'serious' reaction that could have been caused by injection]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8711611/AstraZenecas-COVID-19-vaccine-trials-hold-suspected-reaction.html

[arista]

So... what does this actually mean? Does it mean people in groups of six can't meet up in a pub/restaraunt or does it mean no more than six people can be in a pub/restaraunt?


Yes No more group of 6
From Monday.


PM will be live later today
at 10 Downing St.

[arista]

Yesterday the Covid-19 deaths had gone up
to 32

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/AR2TOH0rMHqvNa5hMlF4Kg/https/media.fyre.co/iJz4qorMRvqNIvLpgUB6_snpp0909m001-01_1599601302_001.png


Over Large Sun Paper
a report on an Early December death
of Covid-19.

[bots]

it's pretty obvious the way it's all heading. If the numbers don't come down within a couple of weeks, they will go back to the support bubble stage. I can see December/January being pretty much closed down and I think they need to look at schools opening over the summer and closing over the winter

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

British Airways passengers have told the BBC that they have been refused cash refunds for cancelled flights.

Gordon and Margaret Minto accepted vouchers instead after their flights to the United States were cancelled, the airline says.

"We were stunned... we looked at each other and said, 'we haven't asked for a voucher'. We haven't received one either", says Margaret.

BA said it will "always provide a refund if a customer is eligible".

But the Mintos from South Shields are among many holidaymakers who have found themselves in a stand-off with the airline after their flights were cancelled due to the coronavirus pandemic.

The airline maintains they accepted vouchers, while they all say they never wanted vouchers at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54059004

[Ammi]

...when they list the exemptions... are medical reasons for those...(...if they’re not obvious etc...)...going to be given as well...?... because that’s really important also, I think...it just prevents those inconsistencies that are often thought... and with inconsistency comes defiance because no sense of it is being made, etc...I mean, we all deserve to have our lives risk assessed and safeguarded..?...we do, our children do, our parents/grandparents do, our siblings do, our friends do and other friends of our friends and etc and etc...every life deserves that ...so when there are exemptions...it’s really important that medical explanations etc are explained really clearly../medical facts etc...and why those exemptions just HAD to be.../...that isn’t always done at all...

[bots]

The problem with constantly changing rules is that people take less and less notice of them. I don't particularly blame the government for that, we have learnt more about the virus etc, and the infection rate is fluctuating region by region, but the simple fact is that any adult knows how best to protect themselves by now, and what the gains are to being cautious. The liberty issues are now becoming very important, because ever changing laws are being applied to the public on an almost weekly basis. That is not sustainable in a free society

[Ammi]

...actually the simple fact is, bots...that not every adult does know how to protect themselves ...some very much need guidance and that’s the simple fact of it...and they need that guidance to be clearly explained, especially as many u-turns are made...and especially as it’s always ever evolving etc...I mean, if a child didn’t understand something and it was obvious that they didn’t understand because they weren’t following any understanding/guidance that others were...in a school environment for instance...?...I can’t think that anyone would find it acceptable with the thought process and actions of...well you should know, I shouldn’t need to clarify, now just get on with it, please and stop being so dependant...we absolutely can look to the government for reasons for their exemptions to be explained, for EVERYONE to understand and comply etc...we absolutely and totally can...we absolutely often don’t get those reasons though that can lead to such confusion, stepping closer to non compliance mind sets...

[bots]

we will need to agree to disagree Ammi ... we just don't think about things the same way

[Ammi]

we will need to agree to disagree Ammi ... we just don't think about things the same way

...hopefully you’ll get the right way soon...:laugh:..but we love you anyway...:love:...

[arista]

Yes one day only
today Johnson PM is doing a 10 Downing St
Covid Update

First he must do PMQ's

[Strictly Jake]

Yes one day only
today Johnson PM is doing a 10 Downing St
Covid Update

First he must do PMQ's

This is the start of the second wave. I think we are heading into national lockdown

[arista]

This is the start of the second wave. I think we are heading into national lockdown


No they will not return to that,
it will remain Regional Lockdowns

[arista]

Next Time
tell the Pilot First.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/882A/production/_114285843_exempt1.jpg

[A man with serious breathing issues says he
was "ambushed" into wearing a face covering on a plane.
EasyJet has apologised after one of its pilots was filmed
threatening to remove the passenger from the flight.
The man was carrying an exemption card - but it was rejected
by the crew on his journey from Jersey to Gatwick.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54075771

[Ammi]

...I think that won’t happen either, Jake...because National lockdown gives less confusion so more compliance etc/type stuff...which wouldn’t leave the scope for fines and creating government income to happen so much.../...Ms Cynical of the day etc...be more transparent and less fines would apply...

[user104658]

This is the start of the second wave. I think we are heading into national lockdownThe economic damage of the last one means that simply will not happen. Obviously I can't say 100% but I would be very, very surprised. At the very least, there's no way they're going to close down things like "non-essential" medical services like they did last time, because the knock on effect has been catastrophic already. Turns out there's really no such thing as a non essential medical service. Who would have guessed?

[Ammi]

Next Time
tell the Pilot First.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/882A/production/_114285843_exempt1.jpg

[A man with serious breathing issues says he
was "ambushed" into wearing a face covering on a plane.
EasyJet has apologised after one of its pilots was filmed
threatening to remove the passenger from the flight.
The man was carrying an exemption card - but it was rejected
by the crew on his journey from Jersey to Gatwick.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54075771



.....hmmmm, I haven’t read the story atm...but I guess that there are so many flaws with exemption card carrying and showing them..they might be considered to be something that could be copied very easily, so therefore, disregarded Any those they’re shown to/as appropriate...and also in an ‘ambush’ situation and huge hostility and/or aggression being faced, it doesn’t make it easy to show an exemption card ...when possibly having a ‘mind of chaos’ at that moment...

....I can’t imagine how exemption cards work in the USA or any country with armed police...‘I’m just popping my hand in my pocket for my exemption card, excuse me, officer’...

...’ oh, indeed not.../bang bang you’re dead...’...

...I really can’t gel with the ever visible Sunflower lanyards either...they could just add another layer of vulnerability to the already vulnerable...but we’ll see how much used they are and how effective etc...

[joeysteele]

Yes one day only
today Johnson PM is doing a 10 Downing St
Covid Update

First he must do PMQ's

I doubt we'll be learn very much at either.

PMQs is a disgrace with him.
It's a total waste of time.

I can't believe Hancock is almost blaming people seeking tests, for the failing and inadequate testing system.

As to the inconsistencies and endless confusion of the government's words, (I won't call it advice as true advice is what can be understood and followed), it will be no surprise I wholly agree with Ammi's comments.

The heads in the sand leaning to try to defend this incredible incompetent lot dealing with our care and health and lives, is sad to see.

If Hancock, although he's just the PMS poodle in this in part..
Had he been a Labour minister or of any other party in government, voters, myself at the front of the queue too, with the media would be day after day callng for and demanding his sacking,
The biggest call too from the Con party too.

This is one almighty mess, dealing with this hateful virus, of this PMs and his government's own making.
Because they won't work with others and it's clear they have very little as to a clue what clear advice to give.
Even after having this on their desks for near all this year.

Apparently Hancock has now refused to rule out another National lockdown.

Confusing, that's all you can say about this government.