Coronavirus Outbreak

[Nicky91]

That's not really how it works Nicky, some people being infected twice doesn't mean that it's likely for everyone to be prone to multiple infections.

For example, it is VERY unusual for people to get chicken pox twice - but it is possible. Measles, Mumps and Scarlet Fever (bacterial, not a virus) are other examples. Usually if you've had them once you won't get them again, but a small number of people do.

i think Covid is kinda different than those you mentioned, more deadly, more dangerous, more unknown :umm2:

so that last sentence doesn't count here (or at least not until we know otherwise from scientists)

[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

7,393 new cases

now there are 1,410 in hospital of which 277 in ICU (a increase of 25 today)

34 new deaths

[user104658]

i think Covid is kinda different than those you mentioned, more deadly, more dangerous, more unknown :umm2:



so that last sentence doesn't count here (or at least not until we know otherwise from scientists)Covid is not even close to being as dangerous as measles in an immune-naive population. Like... Incomparable. The reason we don't see high measles death rates is that there's a high level of population immunity (combination of natural/herd and vaccinated) because measles has been around for at least 1200 years (probably longer).

If you were to strip measles herd immunity out of the population and remove the vaccine, the death toll would make Covid look like a joke. In situations where an immune-naive population has had measles introduced (e.g. Native American tribes when the Europeans arrived) the death toll was massive.

[user104658]

Scarlet Fever is also no joke in children, both of my children have had it and it was very scary, especially in my eldest. Thankfully, it's bacterial and so a course of antibiotics will knock it down. Without antibiotics Scarlet Fever is again FAR more dangerous than Covid (in an individual sense) and the only reason it's not a huge deal today is that we know how to treat it and avoid the more serious complications (pneumonia, rheumatic fever, kidney disease). It's not usually serious in adults because adults have a good "base" level of strep (the bacteria) immunity. Again, it's about prolonged exposure.

Tl;dr as always, Covid is mostly only more worrying because its new.


On that topic; some interesting new research emerging that people who live or work with children (so parents, teachers etc.) are possibly less likely to get "bad" Covid because if increased recent exposure to other coronaviruses from kids. Which potentially means that Granny who had spent a lot of time with grandkids pre-Covid is at less risk because of better immune response.

Its all fascinating stuff, really.

[arista]

The Cock
Health Secretary is live on the news
Covid Debate Parliament

[Zizu]

I wish were being told the whole truth ..

I keep hearing that our schools are safe , the children are safe etc etc

Yet Sky News just said that SAGE are saying the best way of stopping this sharp increase in infections is to close schools and Universities again - government state this is not an option.


The stance taken by SAGE suggests that our schools are certainly not as safe as the government are telling us


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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Sweden has no measures and those low numbers?

they aren't testing enough then, those numbers should be up way higher at least around where germany is now, or above that

[user104658]

I wish were being told the whole truth ..

I keep hearing that our schools are safe , the children are safe etc etc

Yet Sky News just said that SAGE are saying the best way of stopping this sharp increase in infections is to close schools and Universities again - government state this is not an option.


The stance taken by SAGE suggests that our schools are certainly not as safe as the government are telling us


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I think Universities going back, physically at least (they could have offered up fully digital courses, even with reduced entry requirements, to generate funding) was an error.

Closing schools it just isn't a viable long-term option - there's no guarantee of a vaccination programme at all, and certainly not rolled out within a year or more, and you can't just say "we'll just not have schools any more" for several years... putting aside the untold damage that would have on an entire generation - it makes it essentially impossible for single parents or both people in a couple to continue working, and putting health idealism aside, people need an income to survive. We're not talking about shutting schools for another couple of months - that would be pointless - you're talking shutting schools indefinitely. "Putting a hold" on education, one of the core essentials of any society. Something that has literally never been done, for any reason.

[user104658]

they aren't testing enough then, those numbers should be up way higher at least around where germany is now, or above that

Germany's population is more than 8x that of Sweden so this is nonsense.

[Nicky91]

Germany's population is more than 8x that of Sweden so this is nonsense.

Sweden has more cases than they say, but if you do not test enough, you never get to know the real numbers

[bots]

Schools could be open over the summer months and closed over the winter, it's not rocket science

[arista]

Schools could be open over the summer months and closed over the winter, it's not rocket science




Yes but they are so behind in their study works

[joeysteele]

The Cock
Health Secretary is live on the news
Covid Debate Parliament

:joker: yes when he stood up I thought of you and your description of him arista.

[arista]

17,324 New Covid-19 Cases today

Patients in hospital
4,367

Patients in ventilator beds
507


143 Deaths today

Total Deaths : 43,018


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

Omg the deaths are going up again. :shocked:

[Nicky91]

Omg the deaths are going up again. :shocked:

this is mostly like that on a tuesday

some of what was not mentioned in the weekend

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/13/16/34344290-0-image-m-1_1602603207554.jpg

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-covid-19-deaths-increase-by-143-official-figures-show-12103305

[UserSince2005]

Shame on the government. 143 had to lose their lives today just so schools can be open.

[Nicky91]

dutch minister of foreign affairs has handed out belgium as code orange status :skull:

you failures in dutch parliament are the last who can hand out those statusses :umm2:

also slovenia, slovakia, austria under code orange


lmao as if they want any contagious dutch people to go there :laugh:

[arista]

[5:09PM

Keir Starmer calls for 2-3 week circuit break lockdown, in line with SAGE recommendation
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has warned
the government "has lost control of infections
and is no longer following scientific advice".

"There's no longer time to give this prime minister
the benefit of the doubt," Sir Keir said in a televised
news conference.
He said the short lockdown should include a
"temporary set of clear and effective
restrictions designed to get the R rate down".
Schools would remain open, Mr Starmer says.]

[Nicky91]

France and Poland now also in code orange, according to our ministry of foreign affairs

[bots]

Portugal and Juventus forward Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for coronavirus, the Portuguese Football Federation (FPF) has announced.

The 35-year-old is "doing well, without symptoms, and in isolation", the FPF said in a statement.

[Nicky91]

Portugal and Juventus forward Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for coronavirus, the Portuguese Football Federation (FPF) has announced.

The 35-year-old is "doing well, without symptoms, and in isolation", the FPF said in a statement.

is not a huge surprise, given him having got a really busy social life

he now misses the nations league match against Sweden


this is where the difference is with professional sports, and amateur sports

professional sportspeople are tested daily, whereas amateur sportspeople cannot afford daily testing so they are more among risks

[bots]

The number of secondary schools in England sending home pupils because of Covid is increasing rather than diminishing, the latest official figures show.

There are 21% of secondary schools counted as not fully open - up from 18% the previous week and 8% in mid-September.

This is usually because they have sent home pupils in response to Covid cases.

About 7% of primary schools had to send home pupils, up from 5%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54524291

[MTVN]

The idea that a 2-3 week 'circuit break' would dramatically decrease new case levels is a fantasy imo and what do you do when it doesn't? How do you justify ending the circuit break if it hasn't brought down cases? And what do you do when cases start rising again as they probably would in November/December? Remember the first lockdown was initially only going to be 3 weeks and look how long it took to substantially bring down cases/deaths

[bots]

The idea that a 2-3 week 'circuit break' would dramatically decrease new case levels is a fantasy imo and what do you do when it doesn't? How do you justify ending the circuit break if it hasn't brought down cases? And what do you do when cases start rising again as they probably would in November/December? Remember the first lockdown was initially only going to be 3 weeks and look how long it took to substantially bring down cases/deaths

i agree, restrictions are becoming less effective, people are not complying with them in the numbers that did so in March.

Something that I get angry about. The councils complaining at the government for not paying people enough money to stay home, when the people they should be blaming are those that are blatantly breaking the restrictions and forced the closures in the first place

[joeysteele]

[5:09PM

Keir Starmer calls for 2-3 week circuit break lockdown, in line with SAGE recommendation
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has warned
the government "has lost control of infections
and is no longer following scientific advice".

"There's no longer time to give this prime minister
the benefit of the doubt," Sir Keir said in a televised
news conference.
He said the short lockdown should include a
"temporary set of clear and effective
restrictions designed to get the R rate down".
Schools would remain open, Mr Starmer says.]


Well the government cannot now claim that failures are down to following the science.

I'd follow the science more than rely on in fact, any UK government possible at present.

However, they can't and won't even set out to protect the vulnerably ill and elderly, those who want officially put in protection.

Whatever happens now however, is the PM's and his Government's own doing in this pandemic.
No one else's if he's now discarding the science advice.

[arista]

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[arista]

For Slim.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkOivH7XYAI9DE2?format=jpg&name=small

[Scarlett.]

The local ICU here in Blackpool is apparently full to the brim :(

[Cherie]

i agree, restrictions are becoming less effective, people are not complying with them in the numbers that did so in March.

Something that I get angry about. The councils complaining at the government for not paying people enough money to stay home, when the people they should be blaming are those that are blatantly breaking the restrictions and forced the closures in the first place

.

[user104658]

Unfortunate reality is that the first lockdown was effective because people were confused and scared so there was near 100% compliance. It was a one-shot deal, as myself and others said at the time. There being no 2nd lockdown isn't because "the government ain't done one" - it doesn't matter if they declare one or not, compliance levels will be nowhere near what they were in Spring and there is no realistic way to enforce it. The police and military are a panopticon; the resources to physically enforce full lockdown simply do not exist. It's voluntary compliance or no lockdown, and voluntary compliance is dropping like a rock.

[arista]

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[arista]

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The Yorkshire Post

[arista]

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[bots]

The completely stupid aspect of all this is that no matter what happens with the infection rates over the coming weeks, unless Boris now does a lock down, labour will just say things would have been much better if we locked down ... **** the economy

[Zizu]

So in the light of the young American guy getting reinfected less than 6 weeks after his first bout surely this must have serious implications as we try and move forwards?




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[Zizu]

The completely stupid aspect of all this is that no matter what happens with the infection rates over the coming weeks, unless Boris now does a lock down, labour will just say things would have been much better if we locked down ... **** the economy



There was someone on Sky last night saying that if we did have a three week lockdown we would still be in the same ‘loop’ afterwards ...and the contact breaker only works when you have an efficient track and trace system in place


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[joeysteele]

Two to three week lockdown wouldn't be as chaotic as near 3 months.

No one advocates destroying the economy, the testing system could be improved day and night if necessary in that period.

I'd rather inconvenience the economy to save more of the vulnerably sick and elderly from this virus and probable loss of life to it for greater numbers of them again.

It seems they don't matter in the least while all we hear is save the economy.

That has the insurance of businesses to get viable again in the future, to get stronger in months and years ahead.

Once lives are lost of people, that cannot be changed or given back.

What a Nation to focus on the economy over the most in danger lives.
The government again stated, no more shielding for the at risk sick and elderly.
Not a bit of caring at all.
Nothing in place to help them officially.

Yet people support this heartlessness of the economy OVER others loved ones lives.
Makes me furious.
Absolutely furious.

To support this useless PM and the hapless Hancock people now support it seems, the dismissal of the group of scientific advice on this now.

Even though this PM and Cabinet have insisted they follow the science.
Clearly they've been deceiving us on that too probably.

Economy over peoples lives.
No conflict from me there, I know where I'd put my efforts and money in power, as to that choice.
No more lives should be unnecessarily sacrificed.
It's scandalous.

Oh and to bots.
I'm glad to see some other parties getting backbone now and calling for a change of direction for even a short time to re group in that time.
It's not only Labour who you call out on this lockdown.
Labour was calling for the first one, weeks before it was eventually implemented.

This one was called for by the SCIENCE, it also is backed by Labour but also the Lib Dems too.
It's NOT just Labour.

Who thankfully now, at last in my view, are not it seems prepared to just be giving overall support to these experiments by government with the most vulnerable of people lives as to this virus.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/10/the-netherlands-goes-into-partial-lockdown-face-masks-will-be-compulsory/

yasss face masks will be compulsory :cheer2: they only need to finish off the legal work around that


finally some good news

[Lewismacfarlane]

My grans been tested for covid again

[Zizu]

My grans been tested for covid again


Just tested or tested positive ?!?


Hope she’s ok !!



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[Zizu]

Why are the NHS asking just for MEN who have recovered from Covid19 to donate their plasma ??



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[Lewismacfarlane]

Just tested or tested positive ?!?


Hope she’s ok !!



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Well she's in the hospital and someone in the ward had tested positive so she had to get the test

[joeysteele]

My grans been tested for covid again

I really hope she's okay.

[Zizu]

Well she's in the hospital and someone in the ward had tested positive so she had to get the test



Ah .. good luck then !!


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[Ammi]

Well she's in the hospital and someone in the ward had tested positive so she had to get the test

...lots of positive thoughts to your nan, Lewis...:hug:..let us know the test results, yeah...

[Nicky91]

tonight these new measures will happen, a ''partial lockdown'' they call it

pubs, bars, coffeeshops close

takeaways are still allowed


hotels can remain open (for their own guests so no outsiders)

in evenings no more alcohol being purchased

indoors maximum of 4 people, outdoors maximum of 4 people

[bots]

Well she's in the hospital and someone in the ward had tested positive so she had to get the test

Fingers crossed

[Cherie]

The completely stupid aspect of all this is that no matter what happens with the infection rates over the coming weeks, unless Boris now does a lock down, labour will just say things would have been much better if we locked down ... **** the economy

Really dont understand the 'circuit breaker' at all, as if people wont gather in homes at this stage :shrug:

[Cherie]

So there was a serious spike in Richmond last week which has now been corrected as many of the cases recorded in Richmond were students who tested positive elsewhere but still had their GP and home addresses in Richmond :skull:

[Cherie]

Best wishes to your Nan Lewis :hug:

[Nicky91]

So there was a serious spike in Richmond last week which has now been corrected as many of the cases recorded in Richmond were students who tested positive elsewhere but still had their GP and home addresses in Richmond :skull:

all those vile students who cannot just stay home with their needs to socialize like animals

[Lewismacfarlane]

I'm just really worried right now

[AnnieK]

i will never wear a mask myself, not even with this requirement lol

hope many more won't listen to the hypocritical government


what do police want to do, sit on top of us like those racist officers are good at

You won't wear a mask? Why?

[AnnieK]

i want my freedom


our PM Rutte is a Judas

You need to change your sig then.

How is it taking your freedom? Not wanting to wear a mask is fine...as long as you don't go out. Have all the freedom you want in your own house :shrug:

And now you've deleted your posts.....change of heart?

[Nicky91]

You need to change your sig then.

How is it taking your freedom? Not wanting to wear a mask is fine...as long as you don't go out. Have all the freedom you want in your own house :shrug:

i never go out :laugh:

it does not personally affect me, but this whole chaotic mess in my country drives me crazy

[AnnieK]

i never go out :laugh:

it does not personally affect me, but this whole chaotic mess in my country drives me crazy

Why have you deleted your posts?

Fair enough if you don't go out....every country is a chaotic mess....every person should do their bit to control the virus

[Nicky91]

Why have you deleted your posts?

Fair enough if you don't go out....every country is a chaotic mess....every person should do their bit to control the virus

i am pro-masks, but it does drain on me mentally, my group being called ''a bunch of fascists'' on youtube, by some of our anti-maskers ''viruswaarheid'' groups

those groups also damage government property, and they had set 1.5 metre distancing signs on fire i saw on our dutch crimewatch show last night :(

[user104658]

So in the light of the young American guy getting reinfected less than 6 weeks after his first bout surely this must have serious implications as we try and move forwards?

Not really. Not unless it becomes commonplace. It has some implications for the likelihood of an effective vaccine, but it isn't actually new information; it's not the first reinfection and there are examples going right back to February in China.


Two to three week lockdown wouldn't be as chaotic as near 3 months..

Sure, but it also wouldn't do anything, the original lockdown was supposed to be three weeks but they had to keep extending it.

[arista]

Northern Ireland
is going into a Lockdown (circuit breaker fixed time type)



Schools to close and tight new hospitality rules in Northern Ireland

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54533643


Live on Both News Channels
Belfast Parliament

[Vanessa]

At the moment here in London we're ok. Let's hope people continue to respect the rules.
If we all do our bit we can get through this.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/14/07/34371916-8836623-image-m-35_1602658431239.jpg


Last Night in Crazy Liverpool

[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8836623/Liverpool-Coronavirus-Revellers-enjoy-final-hours-pub-venues-shut-WEEKS.html

[Vanessa]

Omg and then they wonder why they're on the higher tier D:

[Cherie]

I'm just really worried right now

I know its hard not to worry but she is probably in the safest place as they will all be following infection control

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/13/23/34358930-8836623-image-a-71_1602626807585.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8836623/Liverpool-Coronavirus-Revellers-enjoy-final-hours-pub-venues-shut-WEEKS.html

Thats allowed isn;t it? its the mad rule of 6!

[arista]

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Early Run

Today he live in PMQ's

[Cherie]

Not really. Not unless it becomes commonplace. It has some implications for the likelihood of an effective vaccine, but it isn't actually new information; it's not the first reinfection and there are examples going right back to February in China.




Sure, but it also wouldn't do anything, the original lockdown was supposed to be three weeks but they had to keep extending it.

The reason we were given in March for locking down was to protect the NHS and give them time to ready themselves as PPE was a shambles, no ventilators and no beds

Now allegedly we have all the PPE required, we have the ventilators and we have the Nightengales, so what is the reason for a lockdown which will not be observed at this stage and people will gather in homes

[joeysteele]

I'm just really worried right now

I understand how you feel, a friend of mine was ill in hospital and got it there.

It is worrying and I desperately hope you hear of a negative result Lewis.

It's awful to have to have been in hospital then at risk of getting this.
The anxiety waiting for the results is awful too.

I don't know the special Lady but I'll be thinking of your Nan and as I said really hoping you get to learn of a negative result and quickly too.
Please let us know.

[arista]

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[user104658]

The reason we were given in March for locking down was to protect the NHS and give them time to ready themselves as PPE was a shambles, no ventilators and no beds



Now allegedly we have all the PPE required, we have the ventilators and we have the Nightengales, so what is the reason for a lockdown which will not be observed at this stage and people will gather in homes

Nah, the extra time that was bought was wasted; we're still nowhere close to being in a position to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. Even if we did have abundant PPE, ventilators and beds (we don't, but if we did) ... We simply don't have the staff. It's not just about redistributing and shuffling people around, ICU staff have specific skills and training, you can't just ship in a doctor from gastroenterology and a couple of nurses from oncology and expect them to be able to staff an ICU bed.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Someone my close friend knows has been tested so I hope there ok



My gran hasn't had her results back

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/13/23/34358930-8836623-image-a-71_1602626807585.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8836623/Liverpool-Coronavirus-Revellers-enjoy-final-hours-pub-venues-shut-WEEKS.html



They should enlarge all their faces and show them on a loop on all the channels in between programs... take footage from town CCTV cameras as well

Shame them all


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[Nicky91]

They should enlarge all their faces and show them on a loop on all the channels in between programs... take footage from town CCTV cameras as well

Shame them all


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:clap1:

yup, shame these superspreaders

[bots]

my area has among the lowest rates of infection in the country, it doesn't need a lockdown and there are loads of places in a similar situation. Hotspots should be locked down, fair enough, but we don't need a nationwide lockdown at all. Why would I follow stricter restrictions when they are obviously not needed in my area

Even the infection rate doesn't matter, it can be as high as you like provided it doesn't translate into hospital admissions, that's the reason liverpool are now in the 3rd tier

[Zizu]

my area has among the lowest rates of infection in the country, it doesn't need a lockdown and there are loads of places in a similar situation. Hotspots should be locked down, fair enough, but we don't need a nationwide lockdown at all.



Even the infection rate doesn't matter, it can be as high as you like provided it doesn't translate into hospital admissions, that's the reason liverpool are now in the 3rd tier



Makes you wonder why they don’t just have a lockdown for all the over 50’s and shield them from any contact from others .. plus shield/protect the hospitals and care homes like never before


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[Zizu]

It’s interesting to see that the infection is being driven by the under 30’s and 65% of all the job losses are also under 30’s .


If they don’t care about the over 50’s maybe they’ll take more care as more of them lose their jobs


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[Nicky91]

well i told my mom about that idea, to shield elderly and let young people just do what they want

but she doesn't like that, she just wants everything cancelled, closed until there is a vaccine, well it does not work like that


i think our current new measures especially when the mask requirement will come, will help in bringing numbers down, making people overall more at ease and morale better if everyone wears a mask

[bots]

Makes you wonder why they don’t just have a lockdown for all the over 50’s and shield them from any contact from others .. plus shield/protect the hospitals and care homes like never before


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why should over 50's be isolated in areas of low infection, they arent going to catch it if they follow the simple guidelines.

We certainly don't want to enforce shielding like we did in March, it's up to people to make their own choices if they are vulnerable. Every possible shopping service is available to use online where goods are delivered to those isolating. There is just no need to enforce blanket rules at all.

[Nicky91]

why should over 50's be isolated in areas of low infection, they arent going to catch it if they follow the simple guidelines.

We certainly don't want to enforce shielding like we did in March, it's up to people to make their own choices if they are vulnerable. Every possible shopping service is available to use online where goods are delivered to those isolating. There is just no need to enforce blanket rules at all.

true, in areas of low infection, simple guidelines can still work

but in that case no need to isolate them, cuz loneliness is also very bad for you mentally, especially older people


i'd say Tier 2, Tier 3 if regions fall under those isolate over 50's and also more vulnerable due to medical condition (some youngsters can be included among them either, asthma etc) that will make numbers of hospitalisations go down, and even better the death numbers

[Vanessa]

I'm not shielding.
I have rent and bills to pay, so I have to work.
I'll just have to be careful instead.

[arista]

I'm not shielding.
I have rent and bills to pay, so I have to work.
I'll just have to be careful instead.


Yes you are not alone.
Labour's Plan have been Rejected at PMQ's

[Zizu]

why should over 50's be isolated in areas of low infection, they arent going to catch it if they follow the simple guidelines.



We certainly don't want to enforce shielding like we did in March, it's up to people to make their own choices if they are vulnerable. Every possible shopping service is available to use online where goods are delivered to those isolating. There is just no need to enforce blanket rules at all.



Many over 50’s still have to work and risk catching the virus ..


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[Lewismacfarlane]

My grans tested negative for the virus

[bots]

good to hear lewis

[joeysteele]

My grans tested negative for the virus

Great news.
Really happy to hear that.
A massive relief for you and your family that.
Thank you for informing us.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Great news.
Really happy to hear that.
A massive relief for you and your family that.
Thank you for informing us.

I'm still waiting to hear from my friend as someone she knows has been tested

[joeysteele]

I'm still waiting to hear from my friend as someone she knows has been tested

What an anxious time for you.

I hope you hear the same news on your friend too Lewis.
Really hope you get more good news.
The stress this vile virus brings is hard.
To even those connected to those important in their lives.

[AnnieK]

They should enlarge all their faces and show them on a loop on all the channels in between programs... take footage from town CCTV cameras as well

Shame them all


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For doing what? There are 6 of them....they could be students from the same bubble and therefore doing nothing wrong. Why are we shaming them,?

[Zizu]

For doing what? There are 6 of them....they could be students from the same bubble and therefore doing nothing wrong. Why are we shaming them,?


They’re part of the problem , stats and data suggest a huge part .

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[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

7,305 new cases

now 1,475 in hospital, of which 301 on ICU (a increase of 24)

32 new deaths

[The Slim Reaper]

They should enlarge all their faces and show them on a loop on all the channels in between programs... take footage from town CCTV cameras as well

Shame them all


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I agree. Except the one on the left and the one on the right. But shame the others to hell.

[DouglasS]

They should enlarge all their faces and show them on a loop on all the channels in between programs... take footage from town CCTV cameras as well

Shame them all


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There’s thousands of people behind, can’t shame everyone

Also they look like students to me, quite likely the 6 live together in the same halls/bubble

[Ammi]

My grans tested negative for the virus

...:hug:..Thats excellent to hear, Lewis...a huge worry lifted for you...

[Beso]

Cristian Ronaldo has tested positive.

[Nicky91]

Cristian Ronaldo has tested positive.

old news, was already known yesterday

[Cherie]

Nah, the extra time that was bought was wasted; we're still nowhere close to being in a position to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. Even if we did have abundant PPE, ventilators and beds (we don't, but if we did) ... We simply don't have the staff. It's not just about redistributing and shuffling people around, ICU staff have specific skills and training, you can't just ship in a doctor from gastroenterology and a couple of nurses from oncology and expect them to be able to staff an ICU bed.

I know all that, the point is what we were told about the lovkdown, thats why a second one wont work even a short one

[Cherie]

My grans tested negative for the virus

Super news

[Lewismacfarlane]

...:hug:..Thats excellent to hear, Lewis...a huge worry lifted for you...

I'm now just waiting to hear from my friend as a close friend of hers has been tested

[Cherie]

Many over 50’s still have to work and risk catching the virus ..


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And most over 50s up to retirement age will recover

[Ammi]

I'm now just waiting to hear from my friend as a close friend of hers has been tested

...is her friend in a ‘vulnerable’ group, Lewis...?...even if her friend were to test positive, they may have very mild symptoms...

[Lewismacfarlane]

...is her friend in a ‘vulnerable’ group, Lewis...?...even if her friend were to test positive, they may have very mild symptoms...

I think its because he showed symptoms

[Ammi]

I think its because he showed symptoms

...hopefully those symptoms will only remain milder, Lewis ...which is also what so many are experiencing ...I understand that your friend will worry, though...

[Lewismacfarlane]

...hopefully those symptoms will only remain milder, Lewis ...which is also what so many are experiencing ...I understand that your friend will worry, though...

I think it's the fact that it's her ex boyfriend and the father of her little boy

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/14/12/34379726-8838767-Richmond_upon_Thames_140_4_Hackney_and_City_of_Lon don_133_1_and_-a-1_1602674425523.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8838767/Londons-Covid-19-outbreak-sees-12-boroughs-infection-threshold-100-cases-100-000.html


[It comes after Mayor Sadiq Khan said it is
'inevitable' the capital will pass a 'trigger point'
to join swathes of the North West in the
higher Tier 2 coronavirus restrictions in the 'next few days'.
It would see the city's nine million residents banned
from seeing their friends and family indoors,
including in pubs and restaurants.]

[arista]

Coronavirus: Wales bans travellers from rest of UK's COVID hotspots

[The Welsh first minister has announced a ban
on anyone living in areas with a high prevalence
of COVID-19 in England, Scotland and
Northern Ireland entering Wales.
Mark Drakeford said he was introducing the
measure after Prime Minister Boris Johnson did
not respond to two letters asking him to enact
the policy across the UK.]


Yes Stop them spreading Covid.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-wales-bans-travellers-from-rest-of-uks-covid-hotspots-12104012

[Zizu]

My grans tested negative for the virus



Excellent !!!


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[Zizu]

And most over 50s up to retirement age will recover



By recover do you mean SURVIVE ?

Many are suffering the ‘long COVID’ with all the long term implications of that ..


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[AnnieK]

By recover do you mean SURVIVE ?

Many are suffering the ‘long COVID’ with all the long term implications of that ..


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Have there been many cases at the school you work at Zizu?

[arista]

4 weeks all Pubs
in Northern Ireland will Close.

2 Weeks all Education in Northern Ireland will halt.


[Coronavirus: Northern Ireland imposes
four-week circuit breaker lockdown
Pubs and restaurants will be forced to
close from Friday, but places of worship
and gyms will be allowed to remain open.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-northern-ireland-imposes-four-week-circuit-breaker-lockdown-12103735

[Zizu]

Have there been many cases at the school you work at Zizu?



Around 10 positives in the couple of weeks or so but I’ve been off self isolating since last Friday so I’m slightly out of touch ...

I’m not going to lie - it’s a very strange time .. On one hand I’m dreading starting with the tell-tale symptoms and all that entails .. yet them on the other hand I’ve got a few weeks knowing I’m safe at home away from the virus just as things are really getting sketchy .


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[Ammi]

Coronavirus: UK reports another 137 deaths and 19,724 cases...


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-reports-another-137-deaths-and-19-724-cases-12104039

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkSk3ypXsAYZ-GA?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

welp 19k cases in one day :o

and we thought 7k for my country a day is bad




Germany is going for a stricter mask requirement, now even in regions of low infection too, to ''kill off'' the virus completely is their intention so everyone now must mask up, even if you live in a area with low infection rate

[arista]

Coronavirus: UK reports another 137 deaths and 19,724 cases...


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-reports-another-137-deaths-and-19-724-cases-12104039


Yes still going up.

Patients in hospital
4,650


Patients in ventilator beds
516

43,155 Total Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

welp 19k cases in one day :o

and we thought 7k for my country a day is bad




Germany is going for a stricter mask requirement, now even in regions of low infection too, to ''kill off'' the virus completely is their intention so everyone now must mask up, even if you live in a area with low infection rate


We have a Massive Population
66Million.

You only have 17million Population

[Cherie]

So there was a serious spike in Richmond last week which has now been corrected as many of the cases recorded in Richmond were students who tested positive elsewhere but still had their GP and home addresses in Richmond :skull:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/14/12/34379726-8838767-Richmond_upon_Thames_140_4_Hackney_and_City_of_Lon don_133_1_and_-a-1_1602674425523.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8838767/Londons-Covid-19-outbreak-sees-12-boroughs-infection-threshold-100-cases-100-000.html


[It comes after Mayor Sadiq Khan said it is
'inevitable' the capital will pass a 'trigger point'
to join swathes of the North West in the
higher Tier 2 coronavirus restrictions in the 'next few days'.
It would see the city's nine million residents banned
from seeing their friends and family indoors,
including in pubs and restaurants.]

.

[Cherie]

By recover do you mean SURVIVE ?

Many are suffering the ‘long COVID’ with all the long term implications of that ..


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How many people do you know have had covid and out of those how many are suffering from long covid?

[Zizu]

How many people do you know have had covid and out of those how many are suffering from long covid?



How is that even relevant ?

Are you trying to tell me to not worry ??

I’ve never been to the sun but I know it’s bloody hot !!


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[Cherie]

How is that even relevant ?

Are you trying to tell me to not worry ??


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Tbh yes, you worked through, so its possible you have had it already, or had a vey mild version which is what 80 per cent of the population will get....you are taking away your peace, what is worrying going to achieve, you will probably die of stress before covid gets you the way you are carrying on

[AnnieK]

Around 10 positives in the couple of weeks or so but I’ve been off self isolating since last Friday so I’m slightly out of touch ...

I’m not going to lie - it’s a very strange time .. On one hand I’m dreading starting with the tell-tale symptoms and all that entails .. yet them on the other hand I’ve got a few weeks knowing I’m safe at home away from the virus just as things are really getting sketchy .


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I am in the second period of self isolation with my son...his class has had 2 positive cases one of which was his best friend so he has been in very close contact.. We've had no symptoms so could be asymptomatic or could have had it previously and not known. :shrug:

[Zizu]

Tbh yes, you worked through, so its possible you have had it already, or had a vey mild version which is what 80 per cent of the population will get....you are taking away your peace, what is worrying going to achieve, you will probably die of stress before covid gets you the way you are carrying on



You’re probably right !!

I’ve always been a worrier / pessimist

I do appreciate your kind words though and apologies for being a bit tetchy .

Thank you




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[Zizu]

I am in the second period of self isolation with my son...his class has had 2 positive cases one of which was his best friend so he has been in very close contact.. We've had no symptoms so could be asymptomatic or could have had it previously and not known. :shrug:



Thanks for the reply .. it’s a worrying time for sure.


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[Nicky91]

LE00xtWQ-bg

more proof moron Wootton belongs in a happy home

[Nicky91]

netherlands: no more non-covid patients in hospitals for these next 4 weeks at least

we need all space we can get for covid patients, so people with other illnesses, injuries will have to wait

[Cherie]

You’re probably right !!

I’ve always been a worrier / pessimist

I do appreciate your kind words though and apologies for being a bit tetchy .

Thank you




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Zizu I totally get where you are coming from, but working in a school especially around Jan and Feb, I think the likelihood is you have already had it in some form or other

[Zizu]

Zizu I totally get where you are coming from, but working in a school especially around Jan and Feb, I think the likelihood is you have already had it in some form or other



It’s entirely possible as most of us had an annoying little cough that lasted about 5 or 6 weeks ..around Jan/Feb .

Looks like the immunity may only last around three months though ..


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[arista]

1316433238148120578

[arista]

Nations above 10,000 Covid-19 deaths

216,278 USA deaths
150,998 Brazil deaths
110,586 India deaths
84,420 Mexico deaths
43,245 United Kingdom deaths
36,289 Italy deaths
33,419 Peru deaths
33,413 Spain deaths
33,056 France deaths
29,349 Iran deaths
28,141 Colombia deaths
24,572 Argentina deaths
23,069 Russia deaths
18,028 South Africa deaths
13,415 Chile deaths
12,235 Ecuador deaths
12,156 Indonesia deaths
10,244 Belgium deaths
10,021 Iraq deaths





Pro data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkSJHFGXkAAsnus?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Enter Your Postcode

https://www.gov.uk/find-coronavirus-local-restrictions

[Zizu]

https://twitter.com/bbcnwt/status/1316270497261408262?s=21


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[Vanessa]

Just coming from Central London. Everything was preparing to close for 10 pm.
But there was still plenty of people out and about.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/bbcnwt/status/1316270497261408262?s=21


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Fools
Spreading Covid-19

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/14/20/34399694-0-image-a-9_1602705177480.jpg

[arista]

Macron announces nightly curfew in major French
cities as COVID-19 cases surge

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/vjBafmkfY_oIRtr1BXoctw/https/media.fyre.co/dRDTWCkeS92qL9qDIQjm_Telegraph%201510.PNG

[arista]

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[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/ZRfzBV8M8mGCx_vTFg-NRA/https/media.fyre.co/laokFJl8T4OAmTYQt0Vk_Guardian%201510.PNG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/9WOBo02FNs3qolJMUWggFQ/https/media.fyre.co/3mYsE9VnQaeuc2zBSRiG_Mail%201510.PNG

[MTVN]

Basically every country that saw a bad first wave are also now seeing a bad second one despite all efforts to avert it, makes you think these countries are mainly suffering because of inherent factors and demographic conditions moreso than policy factors

[arista]

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[DouglasS]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/14/20/34399694-0-image-a-9_1602705177480.jpg

It better not I’ve got drinks planned with the boys

As long as it’s after Friday I’m fine

[Zizu]

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That’s why I don’t give blood ..


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[arista]

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[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/zUuTVHTqlvoXkJvyeEDpFg/https/media.fyre.co/APHyC5N8QBSWNwfYisfI_Express%201510.PNG

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/E6B5/production/_114916095_star-nc.png

[arista]

Coronavirus: Govt to talk to Manchester and London MPs
amid reports of tougher coronavirus tiers

[MPs in Greater Manchester and London have
been invited to briefings with a
government minister this morning - amid reports that
both areas could be placed into a higher coronavirus tier.
Health minister Helen Whateley is going to
hold a call with London MPs at 9.30am,
followed by Greater Manchester MPs at 10.45am.
Local leaders including Andy Burnham
will also be speaking with the
government after the Joint Biosecurity Centre
recommended that Manchester and Lancashire
should be moved to Tier 3, the highest alert level.]


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-govt-to-talk-to-manchester-and-london-mps-amid-reports-of-tougher-coronavirus-tiers-12104382



No BBC link on this yet.

[Nicky91]

https://imgw.rgcdn.nl/3d66541e829a4fe2be599a69ec2cc3c1/opener/De-partytenten-op-het-Plein-in-Den-Haag-Beeld-Twitter-annaholligan.jpg?v=33sse0zRR3Esgv_Am-KsgQ2

these partygoers in The Hague got loads of criticism, also had PVDA (Labour) leader Asscher mentioning it in parliament

they will all be fined, also for not sticking to the 1.5 metre social distancing rules


and
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/10/why-is-there-a-legal-issue-with-facemasks-and-quarantine-fines/

about the legal issue with facemask compulsory, quarantine fines, it must go through justice court first before it can be a requirement to wear masks (should've handled this earlier on in first wave, very dumb from my dutch government)

[Nicky91]

Germany is taking extra measures

stricter rules for mask requirement, in region of high infection rate but now also in regions of low infection rate

pubs, bars and restaurants close at 23:00 PM

events will be limited to 100 people, and party's at home with maximum of 10 people

Merkel however does not find these measures too strict enough so they might increase amount of measures a next time at press conference, discussion regarding this has been postponed until november

today they had like 6,638 new cases

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1316645728278716416

dutch tweet, but our far right PVV leader Geert Wilders must self-isolate after one of his security guards was tested positive for corona

[arista]

Coronavirus: London to move into Tier 2 of lockdown system
- millions to be banned from mixing indoors


[London will face Tier 2 coronavirus restrictions from Friday PM .
It means millions in the capital will be banned from meeting people
from other households indoors, whether that's in their home or in a pub.
Londoners have also been advised to avoid public transport and reduce
the number of journeys they make where possible.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-london-to-move-into-tier-2-of-lockdown-system-millions-to-be-banned-from-mixing-indoors-12104407

[thesheriff443]

London will be put on tier two from Friday

[arista]

The London Mayor was Live both news Channels

[arista]

Covid: London and Essex due to move up to Covid Tier 2


[Millions of Londoners will face tougher Tier 2 Covid
measures from Saturday, with a ban on households
mixing indoors, local MPs have been told.
And Essex is also expected to move to high alert restrictions this weekend.
Under Tier 2, households are also barred from mixing in pubs and restaurants.
It comes as talks continue between the government and
local leaders over the expansion of the strictest coronavirus
restrictions to more parts of England.
Speaking at London's City Hall, mayor Sadiq Khan
said there was "simply no other option".

"Nobody wants to see more restrictions but this is
deemed to be necessary in order to
protect Londoners," Mr Khan said.
He told people in London: "We've got a difficult winter ahead."]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54551596

Essex will not like that.

[AnnieK]

We are expecting a Tier 3 announcement at any time.

[joeysteele]

I'm not convinced this tier system is efficient enough.
If an area has problems getting worse, I can't see where it's wise to have anything else of few restrictive rules in place where things are going at a manageable level.
Then nearer full restrictive rules where it's seeming to be heading or is out of control more.

This traffic light system with a mix of some action and procrastination in the middle.
I myself think unwise.

Our deaths, even on the government's ridiculous manipulated 28 day ruling as figures, are heading back to over half a thousand a week almost.

I recall the media and people crowing about under a 100 deaths in a week, just weeks ago.
I don't hear them saying much now.
With the deaths back to hundreds a week.
On the ONLY 28 day figure this government has implemented to record deaths too.

That's hundreds of deaths, with thousands at least of family, friends, neighbours and work colleagues left devastated and grieving at the unnecessary deaths again taking place.

[Niamh.]

We are expecting a Tier 3 announcement at any time.We're Phase 3 at the moment but going into "inhanced phase 3 restrictions" so level 3 and 3 quarters? [emoji102]

[arista]

We are expecting a Tier 3 announcement at any time.


Andy Burnham
is Fighting for Extra Cash for
all low paid in Manchester area.


He will not allow Tier 3
until he knows the money is fair.

[AnnieK]

Andy Burnham
is Fighting for Extra Cash for
all low paid in Manchester area.


He will not allow Tier 3
until he knows the money is fair.

I don't think Andy Burnham will have any choice at the end of the day. His tone has changed over last 24 hours....its not quite as defiant now as it was

[AnnieK]

We're Phase 3 at the moment but going into "inhanced phase 3 restrictions" so level 3 and 3 quarters? [emoji102]

Are your schools still open Niamh?

[arista]

I don't think Andy Burnham will have any choice at the end of the day. His tone has changed over last 24 hours....its not quite as defiant now as it was


The health secretary
is going Live soon in Parliament

[Nicky91]

good action taken by London mayor

[Nicky91]

i looked up my region eindhoven

it has about 43 cases by 100.000 people

so it is in the ''red'' color but one of the lesser of the province, from my province the worst are Breda, Tilburg, Oirschot, Veldhoven, Best

[arista]

The Cock is Live in Parliament.

[joeysteele]

The Cock is Live in Parliament.

:joker: This is what I was waiting to hear from you arista.

[Cherie]

Covid: London and Essex due to move up to Covid Tier 2


[Millions of Londoners will face tougher Tier 2 Covid
measures from Saturday, with a ban on households
mixing indoors, local MPs have been told.
And Essex is also expected to move to high alert restrictions this weekend.
Under Tier 2, households are also barred from mixing in pubs and restaurants.
It comes as talks continue between the government and
local leaders over the expansion of the strictest coronavirus
restrictions to more parts of England.
Speaking at London's City Hall, mayor Sadiq Khan
said there was "simply no other option".

"Nobody wants to see more restrictions but this is
deemed to be necessary in order to
protect Londoners," Mr Khan said.
He told people in London: "We've got a difficult winter ahead."]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54551596

Essex will not like that.

oh flip had a few lunch dates which will now have to be cancelled :sad:

I will have to take Mr C instead :amazed:

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1316690217777143814

The Queen leaves lockdown, first engagement out of royal residence in 7 months

[bots]

the queen better get back in her home

[Nicky91]

the queen better get back in her home

yes of course, but it is nice she does show herself to the public again, after 7 months of lockdown

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1316697538200850432

Essex, York moving into Tier 2 restrictions


(sorry for posting from the sun)

[Zizu]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1316690217777143814

The Queen leaves lockdown, first engagement out of royal residence in 7 months



Sounds like a ridiculous decision to be honest ... this is THE time to stay home ..


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[arista]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1316690217777143814

The Queen leaves lockdown, first engagement out of royal residence in 7 months


Good Luck to her.


['All necessary precautions'
Neither the monarch nor William wore a face covering when
they arrived and they walked two metres apart from each other.
A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman
said: "Specific advice has been sought from
the medical household
and relevant parties, and all necessary precautions taken,
working closely with DSTL."
Until now, the Queen has been in royal residences
with a household of reduced staff, nicknamed HMS Bubble.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54555095

[The Slim Reaper]

1316479047539535873

[arista]

Wirral received a £1,000 penalty after it defied Tier 3 restrictions
that came into force in the area on Wednesday.
Owner Nick Whitcombe had said on Instagram
that he wouldn't close, posting: "We are not staying open for
financial gain but more for our members mental
and physical well-being.]


[Then,
More than £31,000 has been donated to a Merseyside gym
that was fined by police for staying open
and breaking coronavirus restrictions.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-merseyside-gym-fined-by-police-for-refusing-to-shut-gets-31-000-in-donations-12104509

[Nicky91]

yes Slim in every country that is the case, but we cannot know this until few weeks later


netherlands today's numbers

7,800 new cases (another very high number, i blame the partying down in the hague)

1,526 in hospital (313 in ICU, increase of 51)

29 new deaths (3 less than yesterdays 32)

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1316667474121838592

European Commission also said this regarding how we can return to ''normal lives''

and a Vaccine seems to be the only and best shot at that

[AnnieK]

I don't understand what is happening in Manchester. Leaks from media say we are in tier 3 but gov ministers reported to say no decision been made :shrug: Just get on with it

[arista]

I don't understand what is happening in Manchester. Leaks from media say we are in tier 3 but gov ministers reported to say no decision been made :shrug: Just get on with it


There is a Labour Vs Conservative
Fight holding it up

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't understand what is happening in Manchester. Leaks from media say we are in tier 3 but gov ministers reported to say no decision been made :shrug: Just get on with it

If it's coming from the media leaks, I'd accept that as truth. This government always plants these stories first, rather than being open and honest. Same thing happened with Liverpool.

[The Slim Reaper]

There is a Labour Vs Conservative
Fight holding it up

Bollocks.

[arista]

1316712681571840005

[Zizu]

I don't understand what is happening in Manchester. Leaks from media say we are in tier 3 but gov ministers reported to say no decision been made :shrug: Just get on with it



Still in discussions apparently...

Online the suggestion is the Mayor of Manchester is negotiating for an increase in the 67% of wages ... before accepting the Tier 3 ...





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[arista]

1316687164214833152

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkTixAXWAAQsrnv?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkXYVSuWoAEeAgd?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

1316687164214833152

Wales has done better than England so far, so Jacob better not criticize the welsh government

[arista]

1316729501263499264


Clever Chef
but Covid-19 shut him down.

[arista]

1316741948162609152

[arista]

1316746944253956099


The SNP Super Spreader of Covid
gets away with it.

[Cherie]

1316746944253956099


The SNP Super Spreader of Covid
gets away with it.

Scot free on Tibb as well ...pun! No thread for Margaret Covid

[arista]

Burnham is Live

Both TV News.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-live-could-most-of-the-north-west-north-east-parts-of-yorkshire-and-midlands-get-tighter-restrictions-12103666


He Has opposed Tier 3


The Government demands Tier 3

[arista]

I don't think Andy Burnham will have any choice at the end of the day. His tone has changed over last 24 hours....its not quite as defiant now as it was


He just said Live
No to Tier3


He is Very Defiant Now

[arista]

[Greater Manchester leaders 'told regional lockdown
wouldn't work without widespread closures beyond pubs'
Mayor Andy Burnham has criticised the government's
pushes for harsher restrictions in the
Greater Manchester region,
telling reporters: "We will not be the canaries in the
coal mine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy".
He said regional leaders had been told by the
deputy chief medical officer that for a
postcode lockdown to work,
it would require widespread closures beyond
pubs "to stand any chance of working".
Mr Burnham said they were also told even
if wider closures were implemented,
this would "not be certain to work".
"We are fighting back for fairness
and the health of our people," he added.]

[arista]

The trouble is Andy Burnham
it is like that all over the UK
You ain't alone.


They told him there is no money left.

He then said look at the money Conservatives wasted
on their Private Consultants.


Stupid BBCnewsHD pulled away as their Newsnight fella
asked a question.

Good on SkyNewsHD who are staying with Andy talking.

[bots]

Burnham is motivated by politics rather than the health of the residents he is supposed to represent

[arista]

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[arista]

Burnham is motivated by politics rather than the health of the residents he is supposed to represent


Yes some say that.

[Kate!]

Is it time to create a new thread Arista? Wow. 259 pages already. Xx

[arista]

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[arista]

Is it time to create a new thread Arista? Wow. 259 pages already. Xx

No it goes up to 10,000 posts

[Lewismacfarlane]

I'm worried about being in Blackpool last week there was a high risk of Corona virus

[Cherie]

I'm worried about being in Blackpool last week there was a high risk of Corona virus

Did you social distance, if so you should have no worries

[Lewismacfarlane]

Did you social distance, if so you should have no worries

Yeah we did social distancing

[Zizu]

The trouble is Andy Burnham
it is like that all over the UK
You ain't alone.


They told him there is no money left.

He then said look at the money Conservatives wasted
on their Private Consultants.


Stupid BBCnewsHD pulled away as their Newsnight fella
asked a question.

Good on SkyNewsHD who are staying with Andy talking.



Reports surfacing ( TallSport News) that some Private consultants /track and tracers are being paid £7,000 per DAY ...

Surely that can’t be true ???



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[Zizu]

Burnham is motivated by politics rather than the health of the residents he is supposed to represent



Well he was a politician originally, wasn’t he ?


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[Cherie]

Yeah we did social distancing

You should be fine then

[UserSince2005]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2020/10/15/a66db0ab-2599-421c-a481-f2af19c863e9.jpg

lol

[arista]

Patients in hospital
4,941

Patients in ventilator beds
563


138 dead today



18,980 today tested with Covid-19

43,293 Total Deaths




https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Lewismacfarlane]

Heard a bit of bad news my friends friend tested positive

[Jake.]

1316746944253956099


The SNP Super Spreader of Covid
gets away with it.

Absolute joke but I can’t say I’m surprised.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkXDa4JWAAInAZK?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Nicky91]

french coronaministers, government officials, french minister of health

their phones, computers have been taken by police officers, court has began an investigation into them after complaints by doctors, covid patients, police officers and several others

just a little something what i read just now

[Nicky91]

apparently these mentioned have lied about ''there not being enough face masks early this year amid first wave of the virus''

[UserSince2005]

apparently these mentioned have lied about ''there not being enough face masks early this year amid first wave of the virus''

a bit awkward lol

[arista]

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[Josy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkXDa4JWAAInAZK?format=jpg&name=900x900:joker:

[UserSince2005]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2020/10/15/a66db0ab-2599-421c-a481-f2af19c863e9.jpg

lol

Arrest her for murder he she refuses to follow the rules.

[bots]

Burnham will be told to do it soon whether he likes it or not

[Vanessa]

Burnham will be told to do it soon whether he likes it or not

I think he's right. Any area forced to close needs to have financial support.
Otherwise the pubs/restaurants will not survive.

[Vanessa]

I really hope they find that vaccine next year.
We really need it.

[joeysteele]

I think he's right. Any area forced to close needs to have financial support.
Otherwise the pubs/restaurants will not survive.



He is right.
I completely agree with his stance.
I wouldn't write him off as to getting something here either.

The other Con MPs of the area largely agree with his position too.

[bots]

and yet not one person here is saying ... this isn't the governments fault, Burnham let people break restrictions and put peoples llves at risk.

Also, the amount the government are providing is very much the same as every other country across europe are offering similarly affected people.

But, lets not allow facts to get in the way when there is a good political point to score

[The Slim Reaper]

and yet not one person here is saying ... this isn't the governments fault, Burnham let people break restrictions and put peoples llves at risk.

Also, the amount the government are providing is very much the same as every other country across europe are offering similarly affected people.

But, lets not allow facts to get in the way when there is a good political point to score

Unfortunately bots, the refusal of the public to comply that be traced back to Dominic cummings and the excuses the government made for him by not holding him to account. The government haven't provided what's been most needed - consistency.

I'd also wager that for a lot of other countries, their governments haven't spent the previous decade trying to destroy any service that helps vulnerable people in the same way ours has.

[Cherie]

Just watched on the news Prit useless and two policemen strolling along a street banging on about enforcing mask wearing, none of them were wearing masks or distancing themselves from each other, the arrogance is unreal, no wonder people are done

[arista]

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[bots]

it's all going to rat****, and it will be ordinary people that suffer and die, with everyone blaming everyone else

[Ammi]

...the Daily Star front page is awful, it almost feels making light of it all...

[AnnieK]

I'm not a fan of Andy Burnham, he likes the sound if his own voice far too much but I do agree with him that shutting pubs doesn't go far enough. Our rates of infection are ridiculous and stopping people going for a drink but allowing them to do everything else is not going to drive rates down. The support package doesn't go far enough either. Many of the people working in hospitality up here do so for minimum wage....its called minimum wage for a reason....its the least amount of money anyone can be expected to live on and offering two thirds of minimum wage is not enough. Landlords won't accept two thirds of your rent, the council won't accept two thirds of your council tax etc etc. This virus is not going anywhere

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkbhavIU0AAWXt2?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

...the Daily Star front page is awful, it almost feels making light of it all...

Yes an Alternate style
trying to sell the paper

[arista]

No Talks planned with Andy Burnham today?
Is being reported.


If The Government increased the money benefit
Manchester's poor workers
the rest of the Country would want the same.

[AnnieK]

No Talks planned with Andy Burnham today?
Is being reported.


If The Government increased the money benefit
Manchester's poor workers
the rest of the Country would want the same.

And so they should.....lower paid workers should not suffer more at the hands of this virus (and government). Most people live to their means and for the majority of people losing a third of your income is going to cause some problems. For the lower paid workers those problems will translate into hardships - wherever they live in the country.

[Ammi]

...exactly what Annie is saying ...minimum wage is already poverty...and it’s also a time of thinking about Christmas and these families in poverty also need and deserve for their children to have a Christmas as well...

[bots]

We don't know how bad the economy is, the government may simply not have the money to bail out companies, no matter how unfair it may seem


Honestly, i think there is a lot of burying heads in the sand. If we are always locked down, the economy will suffer. We took an enormous hit locking down in March.

I wish people would set aside politics from all sides, and just take the best decisions for the country and accept them without scoring political points

[Nicky91]

We don't know how bad the economy is, the government may simply not have the money to bail out companies, no matter how unfair it may seem


Honestly, i think there is a lot of burying heads in the sand. If we are always locked down, the economy will suffer. We took an enormous hit locking down in March.

I wish people would set aside politics from all sides, and just take the best decisions for the country and accept them without scoring political points

you would've had the money to bail out companies, if you guys didn't vote for brexit