Coronavirus Outbreak

[user104658]

yep, its pointless until we get the number of infected down to under 500

It could in theory work in Scotland because of the smaller population, but then, I'm not really sure what the long term looks like even if we're very successful in driving down the virus in Scotland, unless we plan to have some sort of hard border with England, which isn't really feasible. Hmm.

[arista]

Hancock Health Sec.
Is Live on TV News in Parliament , now

[arista]

[Downing Street has announced weekend coronavirus
press conferences have been cancelled
due to lower numbers watching them]


Ref: LBC

[arista]

5PM its Hancock MP Again.

Downing St. Briefing Live

324 Deaths


39,360 UK Death total

[The Slim Reaper]

Posting for Bots :smug:

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[arista]

Portugal
has asked for an Air Bridge for UK Holiday people
the Minister has not yet had a reply from London.

Clever to get in their first using their Minister.

Ref: GMBHD itv Live in Westminster.

[bots]

Scientists are running a trial to see if ibuprofen can help hospital patients who are sick with coronavirus.

The team from London's Guy's and St Thomas' hospital and Kings College believe the drug, which is an anti-inflammatory as well as a painkiller, could treat breathing difficulties.

They hope the low-cost treatment can keep patients off ventilators.

In the trial, called Liberate, half of the patients will receive ibuprofen in addition to usual care.

The trial will use a special formulation of ibuprofen rather than the regular tablets that people might usually buy. Some people already take this lipid capsule form of the drug for conditions like arthritis.

Studies in animals suggest it might treat acute respiratory distress syndrome - one of the complications of severe coronavirus.

Prof Mitul Mehta, one of the team at Kings College London, said: "We need to do a trial to show that the evidence actually matches what we expect to happen."

Early in the pandemic there were some concerns that ibuprofen might be bad for people to take, should they have the virus with mild symptoms.

These were heightened when France's health minister Oliver Veran said that taking non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, such as ibuprofen, could aggravate the infection and advised patients to take paracetamol instead.

A review by the Commission on Human Medicines quickly concluded that, like paracetamol, it was safe to take for coronavirus symptoms. Both can bring a temperature down and help with flu-like symptoms.

For mild coronavirus symptoms, the NHS advises people try paracetamol first, as it has fewer side-effects than ibuprofen and is the safer choice for most people. You should not take ibuprofen if you have a stomach ulcer, for example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52894638

[arista]

"You should not take ibuprofen if you have a stomach ulcer, for example."

Yes that's an important message

[arista]

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[arista]

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PMQ's today in Parliament
Labour will take the piss of him

[smudgie]

"You should not take ibuprofen if you have a stomach ulcer, for example."

Yes that's an important message

It can cause kidney failure is an important message as well.

[Cherie]

It can cause kidney failure is an important message as well.

Never knew that Smudge, are you okay these days :hug:

[bots]

Never knew that Smudge, are you okay these days :hug:

it can be dangerous if you take it persistently, but a lot of other medicines also crash your system if you take them all the time. Aspirin ****s up your veins and makes you bruise at the slightest touch ... but it's still used to combat high blood pressure

[smudgie]

Never knew that Smudge, are you okay these days :hug:

I only know because it happened to me.
Yeah, doing ok thanks Cherie.
Same old same old really, nice to be able to get out in the car and have a change of scenery now.
We are considering who we will allow in the back garden for visits.
Son and wife, best friends etc, but we are imposing a 3 metre distance.
Lots of fun and games with all the shouting and lip reading😂
Hope you and yours are doing ok.:hug:

[Cherie]

I only know because it happened to me.
Yeah, doing ok thanks Cherie.
Same old same old really, nice to be able to get out in the car and have a change of scenery now.
We are considering who we will allow in the back garden for visits.
Son and wife, best friends etc, but we are imposing a 3 metre distance.
Lots of fun and games with all the shouting and lip reading😂
Hope you and yours are doing ok.:hug:

:laugh: we are good thanks , we are pretty anti social anyway so this suits us fine

[bots]

A contact tracer working on the NHS Test and Trace coronavirus scheme says she has not been asked to speak to anyone since beginning work last week.

The clinician told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire she had worked 38 hours but had yet to make a single phone call and spent the time watching Netflix.

"It's frustrating to know that I'm sat idle when there's people that need contacting," they said.

The government said this does not reflect the amount of work under way.

"Becky" spoke to the BBC on condition of anonymity, and said she has watched nearly three series of comedy The Good Place, despite being available to help isolate people.

"I'm yet to make a single phone call or be assigned a case," the nurse said.

"I've had no contact from anyone. I've had no contact from supervisors. I've literally been on the system, refreshed the system, and entertained myself during that watching Netflix.

"I've just watched it alongside going back to the system, refreshing it, occasionally having to log back in because it's timed out. I have yet to have contact with anybody regarding contact tracing."

It came as Channel 4 News reported data showing 4,456 confirmed Covid-19 cases were reported to the Test and Trace scheme between 28 May, when it launched, and 31 May.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52904433

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Cal's TV habits making the news :ninja2:

[arista]

PMQ's about to start

PM , Labour Leader etc

[arista]

PM is talking

[Cherie]

A contact tracer working on the NHS Test and Trace coronavirus scheme says she has not been asked to speak to anyone since beginning work last week.

The clinician told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire she had worked 38 hours but had yet to make a single phone call and spent the time watching Netflix.

"It's frustrating to know that I'm sat idle when there's people that need contacting," they said.

The government said this does not reflect the amount of work under way.

"Becky" spoke to the BBC on condition of anonymity, and said she has watched nearly three series of comedy The Good Place, despite being available to help isolate people.

"I'm yet to make a single phone call or be assigned a case," the nurse said.

"I've had no contact from anyone. I've had no contact from supervisors. I've literally been on the system, refreshed the system, and entertained myself during that watching Netflix.

"I've just watched it alongside going back to the system, refreshing it, occasionally having to log back in because it's timed out. I have yet to have contact with anybody regarding contact tracing."

It came as Channel 4 News reported data showing 4,456 confirmed Covid-19 cases were reported to the Test and Trace scheme between 28 May, when it launched, and 31 May.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52904433

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Becky eh? very appropriate for a BB fan

[Cherie]

All classes return to Welsh schools on 29th June, with a third of the students in at any one time.

The term will be extended by one week, this week will be repayed in the October half term

Unions NOT happy

[user104658]

All classes return to Welsh schools on 29th June, with a third of the students in at any one time.

The term will be extended by one week, this week will be repayed in the October half term

Unions NOT happy

I just don't really understand WHY anyone thinks this is a good idea? Like even if it's 99% safe? Going back for a couple of weeks then being off for another nearly-two-months for summer is going to be even more confusing than just waiting until after summer surely?? I mean, my daughter is feeling a little weird about going straight back into a new year group with a new teacher but it's not THAT big a deal, and even if it was, they could just keep their old teacher for a week or two after summer to "wrap things up" and move into their new class?

Like I've said before, I understand the need for kids who are finishing up at Primary school and moving up to go back to their primary school for a few weeks before moving to high school after the summer... sending kids into a new school after summer without those "final primary school days" could genuinely affect them for the rest of their time at school... but why have every year group back before summer. Waste of time, waste of resources, confusing for kids, and realistically they won't learn anything at all in those weeks. Seems arbitrary and like the reason is more political and about "back to normal!!" than anything else.

[Cherie]

I just don't really understand WHY anyone thinks this is a good idea? Like even if it's 99% safe? Going back for a couple of weeks then being off for another nearly-two-months for summer is going to be even more confusing than just waiting until after summer surely?? I mean, my daughter is feeling a little weird about going straight back into a new year group with a new teacher but it's not THAT big a deal, and even if it was, they could just keep their old teacher for a week or two after summer to "wrap things up" and move into their new class?

Like I've said before, I understand the need for kids who are finishing up at Primary school and moving up to go back to their primary school for a few weeks before moving to high school after the summer... sending kids into a new school after summer without those "final primary school days" could genuinely affect them for the rest of their time at school... but why have every year group back before summer. Waste of time, waste of resources, confusing for kids, and realistically they won't learn anything at all in those weeks. Seems arbitrary and like the reason is more political and about "back to normal!!" than anything else.

As long as it is not compulsory to return I don't see a problem with it, the kids that were interviewed going back on Monday were so happy it was quite cute to see

Everyone's experience of lockdown is different, as long as they have choice its fine

[Oliver_W]

Sir Kier really is skewering BoJo these days, PMQs is virtually a bloodsport with him in opposition!

[user104658]

Sir Kier really is skewering BoJo these days, PMQs is virtually a bloodsport with him in opposition!

Boris has lost his footing, I strongly suspect he won't even last his 5 years and will retire on bogus "health grounds" when he figures out that being PM isn't actually fun.

[Oliver_W]

Boris has lost his footing, I strongly suspect he won't even last his 5 years and will retire on bogus "health grounds" when he figures out that being PM isn't actually fun.

Probably :laugh: if it were someone else I might feel bad for him - a childhood ambition fulfilled, but he has to deal with a global pandemic and the process of leaving the EU :laugh:

[Samm]

Starmer has literally destroyed him at any opportunity in the PMQs sessions. When the next election comes around I bet Boris is worried.

[Kizzy]

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Labour will take the piss of him
So more numpty led than science led now are we...That's just great, nothing could go wrong then :/

[arista]

Coronavirus: UK holidaymakers ‘welcome’ in Portugal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900531

[user104658]

Starmer has literally destroyed him at any opportunity in the PMQs sessions. When the next election comes around I bet Boris is worried.

It'll be another world in 4 years time though.

[arista]

The PM is Live

Doing the Briefing
10 Downing St.

39,728 UK total.

359 Dead

[bots]

The head of the Test and Trace programme has been challenged over the risks of false negative coronavirus results by a committee of MPs.

Dido Harding was asked at the health select committee why people are not repeatedly tested to ensure they do not have coronavirus.

MPs heard 20% of tests wrongly suggest someone is not infected.

Earlier Boris Johnson told the Commons tests would be processed within 24 hours by the end of June.

Questioned by Mr Hunt, the PM said the 24-hour target would need to take into account "insuperable problems" such as postal delays.

But he said "I can undertake to him now to get all tests turned around in 24 hours by the end of June, except for difficulties with postal tests or insuperable problems like that."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52906909

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So the numbers tested and infected could be 20% higher than reported .... that's filled me with a lot of confidence

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Frankie & Benny's owner to close up to 120 sites]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52899624

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A street party involving 500 revellers breaking lockdown rules in north-west London was broken up police in the early hours.

Videos on social media show hundreds of people gathering in Harlesden, despite Covid-19 social distancing rules.

The Met Police said five people had been arrested at the event involving 500 people on the Church Road Estate, which began on Tuesday night.

Residents said the party continued into the early hours.

Clive McBride, who lives nearby, said the last police van left the area at about 04:00 BST.

"People are dying of Covid-19, millions are in lockdown, the NHS risking their lives everyday, and what do Harlesden youth do? Throw block party after block party," he added.

Mr McBride said many people were dancing and drinking in close proximity to one another and at one point, fireworks were set off at the party.

The Met said 11 of its officers were assaulted and received minor injuries when a small minority of party-goers refused to leave.

"Five arrests were made - three for assault on police, one for affray and one for attempted grievous bodily harm and dangerous driving. All remain in custody," police said.

People took to Twitter to complain about the rule breaking.

One Twitter user said: "Brent has the most coronavirus cases in London. Here's Harlesden having a huge block party."

User Taelaa Anne added: "If you don't care about yourself good for you but at least think about your parents."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52902984

[The Slim Reaper]

Tories are dangerous

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[hijaxers]

So now Rishi Sunak ~ in the commons today complete with tissues gone home ill ! Gone back and now he's prob infected others , we are deffo gonna get another spike.

[Cherie]

So now Rishi Sunak ~ in the commons today complete with tissues gone home ill ! Gone back and now he's prob infected others , we are deffo gonna get another spike.

Do you mean Alok Sharma?

[Oliver_W]

So now Rishi Sunak ~ in the commons today complete with tissues gone home ill ! Gone back and now he's prob infected others , we are deffo gonna get another spike.

With people following Cumming's lead and flouting the lockdown, along with flocking off to "protest", another spike is inevitable...

[Strictly Jake]

What is herd immunity?

[AnnieK]

What is herd immunity?

Basically enough people get infected and develop antibodies that it means that the virus doesn't get passed.on at the same rate as before. It is usually achieved in tandem with a vaccination programme though and not just hoping everyone gets infected

[Cal.]

The contract tracing is not what it’s being made out to you guys in the news. Barely any of us know what we’re doing and I know of very few people who have actually done anything yet. I haven’t. Don’t be fooled by being told it’s a fantastic new service run by perfectly trained staff. Far from the truth!

[Marsh.]

The contract tracing is not what it’s being made out to you guys in the news. Barely any of us know what we’re doing and I know of very few people who have actually done anything yet. I haven’t. Don’t be fooled by being told it’s a fantastic new service run by perfectly trained staff. Far from the truth!

Yikes.

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[arista]

Do you mean Alok Sharma?


Yes gone home for 14 days


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-alok-sharma-tested-for-covid-19-after-being-visibly-unwell-in-commons-12000068

[arista]

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[user104658]

The contract tracing is not what it’s being made out to you guys in the news. Barely any of us know what we’re doing and I know of very few people who have actually done anything yet. I haven’t. Don’t be fooled by being told it’s a fantastic new service run by perfectly trained staff. Far from the truth!I mean, this government has failed to set up Universal Credit systems in 5+ years. The idea that they were going to set up an efficient trace & trace system in a month was... Far fetched...

[arista]

Covid 19 Worldwide Deaths
at over 50 mark
nations


USA :115,436
Brazil:42,720
UK :41,747
Italy:34,301
France :29,401
Spain:27,136
Mexico:16,872
Belgium:9,655
India:9,195
Iran :8,837
Germany :8,801
Canada:8,138
Russia:6,938
Peru:6,308
Netherlands: 6,078
Sweden :4,874
Turkey:4,792
China: 4,667
Ecuador:3,874
Chile:3,101
Pakistan:2,632
Indonesia:2,134
Switzerland:1,938
Ireland:1,705
Colombia:1,623
Portugal:1,517
Egypt:1,484
South Africa:1,423
Romania:1,410
Poland:1,247
Bangladesh :1,171
Philippines :1,088
Saudi Arabia:972
Japan :927
Ukraine:899
Argentina:819
Algeria:760
Austria:677
Denmark:597
Bolivia:585
Dominican Republic:577
Hungary:562
Iraq:549
Afghanistan:471
Sudan:447
Panama:429
Nigeria :407
Moldova:398
Guatemala:367
Czechia:328
Finland:326
Honduras:310
Belerus:308
Israel :300
Kuwait:296
United Arab Emirates:288
South Korea:277
Armenia:269
Serbia:254
Norway:242
Morocco:212
Cameroon:212
Greece:183
North Macedonia:179
Bulgaria:172
Yemen:160
Bosnia: 163
Malaysia :121
Azerbaijan:115
Luxembourg:110
Slovenia:109
Croatia:107
Congo (DRC):107
Mali :104
Oman:104
Australia:102
Kenya:100
Somalia:87
Cuba:84
Mauritania:83
Lithuania:75
Kazakhstan:73
Qatar:73
El Salvador:72
Chad:72
Haiti:70
Estonia:69
Niger:66
Senegal:60
Thailand :58
Ethiopia:57
Nicaragua:55
Burkina Faso:53
Sierra Leone:51
Ghana :51
Andorra:51
Tajikistan:50


Professional Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

USA update from CNN HD


A older one is on page 1.

[Braden]

God, it's so weird to think that a couple of months ago Italy's death toll was rapidly getting worse and worse, and now the UK is in a position where we have overtaken them as the second highest death toll in the world.

[Vanessa]

I'm glad things are improving in Italy.
As for here, its getting better, but it's taking a bit longer.
But we'll get there.

[MTVN]

1268450736398098433

Interesting thread on Spains reporting of death figures which explains how they apparently went from over a hundred deaths a day to zero overnight. Makes our governments figures look like the height of transparency

[Tom4784]

The contract tracing is not what it’s being made out to you guys in the news. Barely any of us know what we’re doing and I know of very few people who have actually done anything yet. I haven’t. Don’t be fooled by being told it’s a fantastic new service run by perfectly trained staff. Far from the truth!

From what I've read, people are basically being paid to watch Netflix for eight hours a day. Sadly it's not surprising, Boris and the rest of the looney tunes just want things to go back to normal and they want to do what they originally proposed, sacrificing the vulnerable by using the excuse of herd immunity. Track & Trace is a facade, it's not meant to work and it never will.

[bots]

Governments across the world have used every trick in the book to adjust figures to support their narrative at the time.

[arista]

The PM
is taking a few weeks off as he had a Meeting with Alok


LBC Live

[Cherie]

The PM
is taking a few weeks off as he had a Meeting with Alok


LBC Live

:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

I feel sorry for tha satirists. How are they supposed to compete with reality?

[Nicky91]

dutch people can go on holidays again in other european countries (all except UK, Sweden)

our RIVM has good contacts with most other governments in europe, what the status is with everyone else, and most give green light now, except UK and Sweden

[Cherie]

dutch people can go on holidays again in other european countries (all except UK, Sweden)

our RIVM has good contacts with most other governments in europe, what the status is with everyone else, and most give green light now, except UK and Sweden

UK is closed so you can't come on holiday here anyway …. unless you want to walk in park after you have quarantined for two weeks :laugh:

[Nicky91]

UK is closed so you can't come on holiday here anyway …. unless you want to walk in park after you have quarantined for two weeks :laugh:

yes of course, UK and Sweden are still in ''code orange'' meaning a negative travel advice


major hotspots like a Spain, Italy are now more in ''code green'' based upon data from last few weeks, how it showed signs of decrease, Spain even more so couple days now without new deaths

Italy already opened up some of their tourist destinations, such as museums and other popular visited locations in the country to their own people and now will also be available again for tourism from other european countries, but still a ban on people from USA, UK, Sweden

[Cherie]

yes of course, UK and Sweden are still in ''code orange'' meaning a negative travel advice


major hotspots like a Spain, Italy are now more in ''code green'' based upon data from last few weeks, how it showed signs of decrease, Spain even more so couple days now without new deaths

Italy already opened up some of their tourist destinations, such as museums and other popular visited locations in the country to their own people and now will also be available again for tourism from other european countries, but still a ban on people from USA, UK, Sweden

well it would appear so, though maybe you should read the post by MTVN above


The UK has a ban on non essential travel currently so not many are going anywhere anyway, nor would most people want to!

Will you go on holiday abroad Nicky with your family?

[Nicky91]

well it would appear so, though maybe you should read the post by MTVN above


The UK has a ban on non essential travel currently so not many are going anywhere anyway, nor would most people want to!

Will you go on holiday abroad Nicky with your family?

i more believe spain's data than from a China for example


no holiday plans, more day trips to bungalow parks and then go hiking in forests there nearby (but really we aren't sure just yet what to do, it's all quite difficult)

but no not abroad anymore, even without covid

[Vanessa]

Italy has opened their borders.
You can come from the UK and you don't have to self isolate.
But here in the UK we have quarantine, so I won't be going.

[Kizzy]

A driver came in to work and said he'd had a call from a number stating he'd been in contact with someone from the comany he worked for, except the company they mentioned he had left 10yrs ago.... so yeah, it's going great! :/

[Kizzy]

Italy has operated their borders.
You can come from the UK and you don't have to self isolate.
But here in the UK we have quarantine, so I won't be going.

Isn't that risking a second wave for Italy?

[user104658]

I feel sorry for tha satirists. How are they supposed to compete with reality?

I believe South Park gave up on parodying Trump because the things actual Trump was saying were impossible to exaggerate.

[Vanessa]

Isn't that risking a second wave for Italy?

They don't think so?
I hope they're at least checking people's temperature :unsure:

[user104658]

They don't think so?
I hope they're at least checking people's temperature :unsure:

More or less pointless with a week long incubation period, and the oft-ignored fact that most infected people (probably 70%+ it's looking like) are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms - which in most cases seems to mean either a mild cough or a sore throat (no temp).

A friend of my wife (a London ICU nurse actually) had an antibody test recently - came back positive for antibodies meaning she's had it at some point. She did a 7 day isolation about 6 weeks ago... her only symptom at any point was a scratchy throat for 2 or 3 days.

[Vanessa]

More or less pointless with a week long incubation period, and the oft-ignored fact that most infected people (probably 70%+ it's looking like) are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms - which in most cases seems to mean either a mild cough or a sore throat (no temp).

A friend of my wife (a London ICU nurse actually) had an antibody test recently - came back positive for antibodies meaning she's had it at some point. She did a 7 day isolation about 6 weeks ago... her only symptom at any point was a scratchy throat for 2 or 3 days.
They opened their boarders yesterday.
In case numbers go up again, they will close it again.

[arista]

10 Downing St. Briefing 5pm

Transport Sec. Grant Shapps MP

and Network Rail Boss.

[arista]

Live now

176 Deaths

Total UK Deaths :39,904

[arista]

15th June Monday
Face Coverings on All Public Transport
or no travel.

In England.

Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland
may follow

[The Slim Reaper]

15th June Face Coverings on All Public Transport

Wouldn't it be better to put it on our faces? :smug:

[Cherie]

Finally face covering mandatory on public transport.

Shops next

[The Slim Reaper]

Australia - 102 deaths
Chester - 145 deaths (hospital deaths only)

[Nicky91]

yes Arista, same here also face coverings on all public transport is a must

not comfortable for some as it gets into summer, so quite a lot of people prefer usage of their own cars here

[Vanessa]

I always wear a face mask on public transport and in shops.

[arista]

I always wear a face mask on public transport and in shops.


You Are Most Wise Vanessa.

[MTVN]

Not a fan of masks, find the idea of forcing people to wear them quite uncomfortable

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-face-coverings-to-be-mandatory-on-public-transport-in-england-from-15-june-12000641

[Wearing a face covering on public transport in England will be
compulsory from 15 June,
the transport secretary has announced.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52927089

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52924944

Lucky Alok MP
No Covid 19 infection.
So far.

[caprimint]

Not a fan of masks, find the idea of forcing people to wear them quite uncomfortable
Yeah this

[LukeB]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-face-coverings-to-be-mandatory-on-public-transport-in-england-from-15-june-12000641

[Wearing a face covering on public transport in England will be
compulsory from 15 June,
the transport secretary has announced.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52927089

Good news :clap1:

I go back to work that week and i was feeling quite anxious about going on public transports but i feel a bit better with masks being compulsory

[Cherie]

Not a fan of masks, find the idea of forcing people to wear them quite uncomfortable

its literally asking people to wrap a scarf around their face like they would in the winter, its a face covering not a mask as such, its a small price to pay to try to keep the virus under control

[Josy]

Not a fan of masks, find the idea of forcing people to wear them quite uncomfortable

I hate them they irritate me but I do still use them when I need to so hope they dont become compulsory.

Even worse we had to wear those stupid plastic visor things and white fabric gloves during face to face meetings the other day :/

[MTVN]

its literally asking people to wrap a scarf around their face like they would in the winter, its a face covering not a mask as such, its a small price to pay to try to keep the virus under control

Just the idea of removing people's choice doesn't sit well with me especially in an area like this where the science isn't exactly proven, there are side effects of wearing masks or coverings like making breathing harder for some people and making you more likely to put your hands to your face

And it might not be a big ask if you're wearing it for a ten minute journey or trip to the shops but a bit different if you're spending a ten hour shift wearing one and having to interact with dozens of people while doing so

[Oliver_W]

Just the idea of removing people's choice doesn't sit well with me especially in an area like this where the science isn't exactly proven, there are side effects of wearing masks or coverings like making breathing harder for some people and making you more likely to put your hands to your face
You have the choice to not use their services :shrug: But not wearing one you're taking away you're fellow passengers' choice to possibly catch it from you.

[MTVN]

You have the choice to not use their services :shrug: But not wearing one you're taking away you're fellow passengers' choice to possibly catch it from you.

No strong evidence that that's true and again there's other ramifications of this like masks giving a false sense of security so you're less likely to observe much more important distancing measures, you can't communicate well in a mask so stand closer to someone etc. Plus using public transport is not really a choice for a lot of people if their livelihood depends on it

This is basically just a gesture because its something the government thinks they should be seen to be doing

[user104658]

No strong evidence that that's true and again there's other ramifications of this like masks giving a false sense of security so you're less likely to observe much more important distancing measures, you can't communicate well in a mask so stand closer to someone etc. Plus using public transport is not really a choice for a lot of people if their livelihood depends on it



This is basically just a gesture because its something the government thinks they should be seen to be doingI agree with the false security aspect, I think it's inevitable that people will feel protected by wearing a mask and will be less bothered about maintaining social distancing; thinking that the mask eliminates the need to do that.

The science behind social distancing is rock solid. The science behind the effectiveness of masks is mostly theory.

Plus people don't wear them properly and end up with an itchy face, then they reflexively stick a finger under the mask to itch it often without even realising. And again... The science behind hand washing + not touching your face is solid. Much more important.

I've seen COUNTLESS people out and about wearing masks, constantly pulling at them, adjusting them and itching under them.

IMO masks should be a backup option for times that you have no choice but to get closer to someone (e.g. a medical setting).

[MTVN]

I agree with the false security aspect, I think it's inevitable that people will feel protected by wearing a mask and will be less bothered about maintaining social distancing; thinking that the mask eliminates the need to do that.

The science behind social distancing is rock solid. The science behind the effectiveness of masks is mostly theory.

Plus people don't wear them properly and end up with an itchy face, then they reflexively stick a finger under the mask to itch it often without even realising. And again... The science behind hand washing + not touching your face is solid. Much more important.

I've seen COUNTLESS people out and about wearing masks, constantly pulling at them, adjusting them and itching under them.

IMO masks should be a backup option for times that you have no choice but to get closer to someone (e.g. a medical setting).

Yep and I've seen a lot of people also try and substitute a mask with a scarf or something like that which then slips down and requires constant readjustment

[Samm]

Masks reduce transmissions from about 80% so please I say this in the kindest way possible, get a grip and wear one.

[Cherie]

Just the idea of removing people's choice doesn't sit well with me especially in an area like this where the science isn't exactly proven, there are side effects of wearing masks or coverings like making breathing harder for some people and making you more likely to put your hands to your face

And it might not be a big ask if you're wearing it for a ten minute journey or trip to the shops but a bit different if you're spending a ten hour shift wearing one and having to interact with dozens of people while doing so

Personally I don’t think shop workers should have to wear them unless they are on the shop floor as most are behind screens now and it should be choice, customers however should have to, most wont distance when they are in shops, the evidence is that face coverings stop 90 per cent of droplets from the person wearing it so in confined indoor spaces I don’t see it as a bad thing to do at all

[Cherie]

I agree with the false security aspect, I think it's inevitable that people will feel protected by wearing a mask and will be less bothered about maintaining social distancing; thinking that the mask eliminates the need to do that.

The science behind social distancing is rock solid. The science behind the effectiveness of masks is mostly theory.

Plus people don't wear them properly and end up with an itchy face, then they reflexively stick a finger under the mask to itch it often without even realising. And again... The science behind hand washing + not touching your face is solid. Much more important.

I've seen COUNTLESS people out and about wearing masks, constantly pulling at them, adjusting them and itching under them.

IMO masks should be a backup option for times that you have no choice but to get closer to someone (e.g. a medical setting).


It has been reiterated over and over wearing a face covering protects others in places it’s difficult to socially distance not yourself

[bots]

i think masks are a prop people are using for their own safety not for others safety. What's going to happen come the winter when people get natural colds, sore throats and fever. Does everyone isolate for a week? If you are sneezing profusely how does that work with a mask if its compulsory to wear it.

Things just haven't been thought through properly

[MTVN]

What about protecting others? Surgeons wear masks mainly to protect their patients from particulate and potentially infective matter falling out of their noses, mouths, moustaches and beards into a patient’s open wound. We’re talking about big particles here (human hair width) and bacterial infections, not viruses. Even for this situation, which is universally observed, it is surprisingly difficult to generate watertight scientific data about the effectiveness of surgical masks in preventing bacterial infections. For viral infections there is little data, but again, the pores allow viruses through and much of the air you breathe out goes around the side. When a person is infectious with a virus it is estimated that they may shed one hundred billion virus particles a day – that works out at about ten million per breath. A mask won’t stop you putting these particles into the air around you. In fact, with a damp mask you’ll be blowing aerosols and larger particles sideways, directly at your socially distanced colleagues two metres away. And if wearing a mask tempts you to feel that you’re not going to infect anyone else, you may also be less likely to observe the two-metre rule. So does wearing a mask protect others if you’re infectious? There’s little direct evidence to say that it does, and quite a lot of straightforward reasoning to suggest it doesn’t.

As you might imagine, you can find an awful lot more detail on all this. A recent, non-peer-reviewed review article concludes with a call for widespread mask use, including regulatory enforcement. But the evidence it presents seems very weak for such a strong call, and conflates laboratory, clinical and community studies. There are mask filtration studies; papers describing small, uncontrolled situations, many of which have heavily qualified conclusions (but nevertheless call for widespread measures on the basis of their slim evidence); speculative sociological studies often based in Asia; and ubiquitous modelling which appears to support the conclusions, but is based on non-real-world assumptions about mask ‘efficacy’ and mask ‘adherence’. A multiplication of inconclusive studies does not enhance the evidence base.

The point is: does any of what is out there add up to a watertight case for compelling people to wear masks in public or at work (outside a healthcare setting)? The threshold for compulsion must surely be higher than ‘maybe’ and ‘perhaps’. But if it really is the case that the threshold for regulatory compulsion is being approached, it should be a simple matter for our scientific advisors to present it to us and allow time for it to be critically discussed in relation to a real-world setting, before government imposes measures upon us all.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/face-masks-should-there-be-a-cover-up-

[James]

Yeah, I think it is as much psychological than anything else. They make people more confident about going out in public again.

I agree with the false security aspect, I think it's inevitable that people will feel protected by wearing a mask and will be less bothered about maintaining social distancing; thinking that the mask eliminates the need to do that.

The science behind social distancing is rock solid. The science behind the effectiveness of masks is mostly theory.

Plus people don't wear them properly and end up with an itchy face, then they reflexively stick a finger under the mask to itch it often without even realising. And again... The science behind hand washing + not touching your face is solid. Much more important.

I've seen COUNTLESS people out and about wearing masks, constantly pulling at them, adjusting them and itching under them.

IMO masks should be a backup option for times that you have no choice but to get closer to someone (e.g. a medical setting).

Another thing is people need to take them off and on (and put them down somewhere that might not be hygienic) when they eat or drink something.

[bots]

Yeah, I think it is as much psychological than anything else. They make people more confident about going out in public again.



Another thing is people need to take them off and on (and put them down somewhere that might not be hygienic) when they eat or drink something.

one of the measures they are proposing is to wear masks in pubs so that they can pack more people in. How can that possibly work with eating and drinking, and where to start on the dangers of visiting the pub toilets :laugh:

[Cherie]

i think masks are a prop people are using for their own safety not for others safety. What's going to happen come the winter when people get natural colds, sore throats and fever. Does everyone isolate for a week? If you are sneezing profusely how does that work with a mask if its compulsory to wear it.

Things just haven't been thought through properly

I would hope they would use what Chris Whitty refers to as cough etiquette, and if they don't have a tissue, cough or sneeze into the crook of their arm :oh:

[Cherie]

one of the measures they are proposing is to wear masks in pubs so that they can pack more people in. How can that possibly work with eating and drinking, and where to start on the dangers of visiting the pub toilets :laugh:

Now that is stupid

[MTVN]

The number of people infected with coronavirus in homes in England has fallen to 5,600 a day, from 8,000 last week.

The estimate is based on swab tests of 19,000 people in 9,000 households by the Office for National Statistics.

Some scientists have said reaching a low level of cases was key to easing the lockdown further.

Test and trace programmes were introduced in England and Scotland last week to track contacts of new cases.

The ONS study of adults and children in private households suggests there are 39,000 new infections a week in England.

It estimates that one in 1,000 people had coronavirus in the community between 17 and 30 May, not counting those staying in hospitals or care homes.

This is down from last week's estimate of one in 400.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52933804

Second wavers will be devastated

[Nicky91]

i do think we can control it now ourselves, i mean in terms of how bad the second wave will be

basically we in Netherlands now call our current society, ''corona social distancing 1.5 metres society''

everyone here is looking at how we can get close-to-normal life going again


UK's government definitely also should be looking into this, it's better to look into alternate ways at reopening things, rather than staying closed, because all the time staying at home, staying closed also isn't good

but keeping some distance, being more hygienic than before can also help in minimalizing the second wave

as for holiday travels, Rutte had the advice ''Wijs Op Reis'' meaning ''Stay Smart while on holidays'' and also how we will also follow other countries their corona regulations, measures accordingly, he said

[Cherie]

i do think we can control it now ourselves, i mean in terms of how bad the second wave will be

basically we in Netherlands now call our current society, ''corona social distancing 1.5 metres society''

everyone here is looking at how we can get close-to-normal life going again


UK's government definitely also should be looking into this, it's better to look into alternate ways at reopening things, rather than staying closed, because all the time staying at home, staying closed also isn't good

but keeping some distance, being more hygienic than before can also help in minimalizing the second wave

as for holiday travels, Rutte had the advice ''Wijs Op Reis'' meaning ''Stay Smart while on holidays'' and also how we will also follow other countries their corona regulations, measures accordingly, he said

Nicky I don’t know what you are reading but the UK has been gradually reopening since 11th May garden centres ...outdoor markets car show rooms are now open in England anyway...the devolved nations have their own time frame ....from 15th June non essential shops will open and 3 weeks later restaurants and bars if infection rate allows

[Cherie]

Second wavers will be devastated

:clap1: so R must be quite low now

[Nicky91]

Nicky I don’t know what you are reading but the UK has been gradually reopening since 11th May garden centres ...outdoor markets car show rooms are now open in England anyway...the devolved nations have their own time frame ....from 15th June non essential shops will open and 3 weeks later restaurants and bars if infection rate allows

yes if, you should have that in mind of course

was also a question for our PM Rutte, ''what if it gets worse again'' if people should have that in mind when booking holidays and he replied more like we hope it doesn't get worse if everyone holds themselves by the rules, distancing accordingly

our parliament yesterday had a marathon debate basically, from afternoon till late in the evening, more about what negative effects the too crowded demonstrations on the Dam in Amsterdam will have regarding covid-19 (there was no 1.5 metre distancing even though most had protective face masks so there is a chance it might be nothing, but you Always have that risk of getting extra cases if you're reckless and allow too crowded demonstrations)

and if the mayor of amsterdam Femke Halsema acted wrongly, and should be sacked (so far nothing on that)

[Tom4784]

Second wavers will be devastated

The **** that's supposed to mean?

[Cherie]

Plans to make face coverings compulsory on public transport do not go far enough, the British Medical Association has warned.
From 15 June, bus and train commuters in England could be refused travel if they fail to comply with the measures - or face a fine.
But according to the BMA, this should be extended to all areas where social distancing is not possible.

[LukeB]

The **** that's supposed to mean?

Sounds like they are insinuating we want a second wave

People shouldn’t get too confident yet though. I’m optimistic we won’t get one but stuff being low now doesn’t mean we won’t get one soon.

[Cherie]

Sounds like they are insinuating we want a second wave

People shouldn’t get too confident yet though. I’m optimistic we won’t get one but stuff being low now doesn’t mean we won’t get one soon.

I wasn't insinuating anything I was clapping the article detailing the reduction in infection, but it didn't show up in the quote

[LukeB]

I wasn't insinuating anything I was clapping the article detailing the reduction in infection, but it didn't show up in the quote

It wasn’t to you I knew you were clapping to the article

[MTVN]

Well I was only being tongue in cheek really because of the volume of predictions that a second wave is about to hit us (I'm mainly thinking of what I've seen on twitter) but so far there has still been no rise in cases here or anywhere in Europe

[Cherie]

It wasn’t to you I knew you were clapping to the article

oh right my bad :douf:

[LukeB]

Well I was only being tongue in cheek really because of the volume of predictions that a second wave is about to hit us (I'm mainly thinking of what I've seen on twitter) but so far there has still been no rise in cases here or anywhere in Europe

But still a weird thing to say and you might look a bit silly if we do get one since there’s still time.

[bots]

there is certainly a giant difference in viewpoint comparing those that want the lockdown to continue and those that want to carry on as normal as possible with minimal protections and they will never agree.

Without a vaccine it is almost certain there will be a 2nd wave in the winter, and I predict it will be much worse world wide. If our government is not stockpiling medical supplies with that in mind i consider it criminal negligence

[MTVN]

Just seems like bad news has been very overreported in this crisis and good news very underreported. The picture has been slowly improving all the time but things like Weston hospital temporarily closing or large gatherings at beaches are what gets more traction instead. The likes of Piers Morgan always highlight a bad day for deaths but never report on a good one or on anything where we're making progress

I will take a chance on looking silly, won't be the first time

[bots]

Just seems like bad news has been very overreported in this crisis and good news very underreported. The picture has been slowly improving all the time but things like Weston hospital temporarily closing or large gatherings at beaches are what gets more traction instead. The likes of Piers Morgan always highlight a bad day for deaths but never report on a good one or on anything where we're making progress

I will take a chance on looking silly, won't be the first time

i stopped watching the news and then cherry picked items to read because it was getting really silly. I think over the summer, the numbers will be fine .... but i do think it may be time to hibernate come winter

[Cherie]

there is certainly a giant difference in viewpoint comparing those that want the lockdown to continue and those that want to carry on as normal as possible with minimal protections and they will never agree.

Without a vaccine it is almost certain there will be a 2nd wave in the winter, and I predict it will be much worse world wide. If our government is not stockpiling medical supplies with that in mind i consider it criminal negligence

Getting PPE levels up and starting to be replenished was one of the five tests to be met to easing lockdown, according to Matty Hancock they now have new lines of supply including UK suppliers so we shall see if that is true or false later on I guess, though given the PPE story appears to have died down I would imagine it is the case

I quite enjoy the briefings and how they manage to wriggle their way out of difficult questions at times, it's quite an art lol

[caprimint]

Sounds like they are insinuating we want a second wave

People shouldn’t get too confident yet though. I’m optimistic we won’t get one but stuff being low now doesn’t mean we won’t get one soon.
No he wasn't?

Most likely because people haven't shut the **** up about a second wave since easing restrictions began, however it's proven that actually that hasn't happened at all

[arista]

Covid-19 Deaths

108,238 deaths in USA

40,261 deaths in UK

34,021 deaths in Brazil

33,689 deaths in Italy

29,068 deaths in France


Brazil goes above Italy.
Brazil is Number 2 of the Most infected , as well.

[Niamh.]

Well I was only being tongue in cheek really because of the volume of predictions that a second wave is about to hit us (I'm mainly thinking of what I've seen on twitter) but so far there has still been no rise in cases here or anywhere in Europe

:fc:

Looks like we're moving alot of our phases forward here as our deaths/new cases are so low now

[Niamh.]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

Andy Burnham Labour Mayor of Greater Manchester
Live on SkyNewsHD
says the R rate has gone over the limit
in his zone

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZweFWEX0AM8lLx?format=png&name=small

[arista]

Burnham says Local Lockdowns
will not work.


SkyNewsHD Live

[DouglasS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZweFWEX0AM8lLx?format=png&name=small

Looks like they’re all heading over 1. I imagine the thousands bunched up together protesting Aren’t helping the pandemic cause sadly

[The Slim Reaper]

Looks like they’re all heading over 1. I imagine the thousands bunched up together protesting Aren’t helping the pandemic cause sadly

I'm more worried about the thousands attending beaches and VE parades over the last month and especially the last couple of weeks of hot weather.

[arista]

10 Downing St. 5PM
Briefing
Matt Hancock MP Heath Sec.

With R number above 1 in some zones
watch Hancock spin that........................

[arista]

Live Now.

Hancock on his Own

[Scarlett.]

Time to lock the north west down and keep people the **** out of Blackpool

[Josy]

So the infection rate in England is down but the R number is still the same? How can that be :think:

[MTVN]

Thing is we've had very few cases and deaths in the South West overall so even if the R is 1 then that just maintains cases at a very low level (needs to come down across the country as a whole of course). Here in Gloucestershire we've had the biggest outbreak in the SW but have still not had any deaths for a week

[bots]

So the infection rate in England is down but the R number is still the same? How can that be :think:

I swear they make up stuff as they go along. The only figure we should be watching that is in any way accurate is the hospital admissions. If that increases dramatically, we have a problem. Any number of people can be infected and not have serious symptoms, so it really doesn't matter

[Josy]

Thing is we've had very few cases and deaths in the South West overall so even if the R is 1 then that just maintains cases at a very low level (needs to come down across the country as a whole of course). Here in Gloucestershire we've had the biggest outbreak in the SW but have still not had any deaths for a weekThe R number is the rate of infection spread though is it not? So if the number of infections has decreased that would mean its not spreading so much or to as much people from 1 infected person so the R rate should be down? I may have completely got that wrong but that's how I thought it worked

[arista]

So the infection rate in England is down but the R number is still the same? How can that be :think:


No R rate has gone above 1
in Greater Manchester
for example

[arista]

All in Hospitals must now have Face Masks on

Matt Hancock said today.

[Josy]

I swear they make up stuff as they go along. The only figure we should be watching that is in any way accurate is the hospital admissions. If that increases dramatically, we have a problem. Any number of people can be infected and not have serious symptoms, so it really doesn't matterYes funnily enough I just noticed the graph during the briefing says on it that care homes, hospitals and other institutionalised settings are not included in the estimates so I gave up at that point

[Josy]

No R rate has gone above 1

in Greater Manchester

for exampleI'm talking about the graph from the briefing right there though, it said for England the R number is still between .7 and .9

I was thinking it should have been down

[MTVN]

The R number is the rate of infection spread though is it not? So if the number of infections has decreased that would mean its not spreading so much or to as much people from 1 infected person so the R rate should be down? I may have completely got that wrong but that's how I thought it worked

Yeah I guess cases are on a bit of a lag though whereas they're using 'modelling' to try and work out what the R is right now, if the R is going back up over 1 then we'll see the infections start to increase soon but the modelling might not prove very accurate

[Cherie]

The number in hospital is down 15 per cent on this time last week so very positive

[arista]

I'm talking about the graph from the briefing right there though, it said for England the R number is still between .7 and .9

I was thinking it should have been down


Yes the graph is out of date
in a way.

[Oliver_W]

The R number is the rate of infection spread though is it not? So if the number of infections has decreased that would mean its not spreading so much or to as much people from 1 infected person so the R rate should be down? I may have completely got that wrong but that's how I thought it worked

Isn't R-rate "per capita" ? If fewer people are going out, it will take fewer people getting infected to spread the thing.

[Cherie]

Andy Burnham Labour Mayor of Greater Manchester
Live on SkyNewsHD
says the R rate has gone over the limit
in his zone

All those house parties :hehe:

[Cherie]

0fnpJvL4pD0

:joker:

[Oliver_W]

Looks like they’re all heading over 1. I imagine the thousands bunched up together protesting Aren’t helping the pandemic cause sadly

"I! Can't! Breath!"

> protesters in hospital when they catch Covid from each other.

[bots]

i wonder if the number of cases will increase as the weather takes a dive

[Tom4784]

Well I was only being tongue in cheek really because of the volume of predictions that a second wave is about to hit us (I'm mainly thinking of what I've seen on twitter) but so far there has still been no rise in cases here or anywhere in Europe

Well, maybe it's best you don't make out that fearing another wave is akin to wanting one.

Nobody wants 40k more people to die.

[DouglasS]

Well, maybe it's best you don't make out that fearing another wave is akin to wanting one.

Nobody wants 40k more people to die.

He was just being light hearted, this thread is so negative, no need for such a strong response :shrug:

[Tom4784]

He was just being light hearted, this thread is so negative, no need for such a strong response :shrug:

There will always be a need for people to respond how they see fit, it's called freedom of speech.

[arista]

Shocking report in South America
A Local Doctor in Peru - ran away as Covid-19 arrived,
they do want outsiders in.
But a Brazil reporter (for Ch4HD news) was able to go
into the village in Peru
which now has 2 nurses left after the Doctor ran away
for around 750 people there.

80% infected.


In Brazil the President is still not
helping anyone as they become Number 2
of the most infected people.
Behind the USA.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/0DQrZGFDT8PtXM17MLHxbQ/https/media.fyre.co/5xws4JQBaVzOidlCsa8w_papersi.JPG

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10EF4/production/_112746396_mail.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15D14/production/_112746398_the-guardian.jpg

[arista]

No more Weekend 4PM Downing St. Briefings.
This allows the Conservatives to wait until Monday 5PM.


I say its wrong

[The Slim Reaper]

No more Weekend 4PM Downing St. Briefings.
This allows the Conservatives to wait until Monday 5PM.


I say its wrong

They've been called out for lying too often and don't want to do it anymore. Scientists pushed into the background to avoid truth.

Shameful.

[arista]

They've been called out for lying too often and don't want to do it anymore. Scientists pushed into the background to avoid truth.

Shameful.



Yes lets see on Monday 5PM who comes out

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/AACD/production/_112752734_observer.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/83BD/production/_112752733_sunday-times.jpg

[arista]

Matt Hancock Health Secretary
is on Ridge Live (SkyNewsHD 8:30-9:30AM)
and Marr Live (BBC1HD 9-10:15AM)

[arista]

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[MTVN]

Interesting interview with Professor Edmunds from Sage on Marr. Thinks the R rate may be going up because hospitals and care homes now make up such a large percentage of active cases rather than a drastic increase in community transmission. Also says that, even though we should have locked down earlier, if a vaccine doesn't get developed then herd immunity is still the way the epidemic will have to end

[Josy]

The UK had more deaths yesterday than all the other EU countries combined

[MTVN]

The UK had more deaths yesterday than all the other EU countries combined

People were saying that a couple of days ago but it's hard to say because Spain have changed how they report deaths, I posted this guys twitter thread about it the other day. They went from reporting hundreds of deaths a day (similar numbers to us) to one or two because of it

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[bots]

Interesting interview with Professor Edmunds from Sage on Marr. Thinks the R rate may be going up because hospitals and care homes now make up such a large percentage of active cases rather than a drastic increase in community transmission. Also says that, even though we should have locked down earlier, if a vaccine doesn't get developed then herd immunity is still the way the epidemic will have to end

lockdowns were never an answer and neither is track and trace. In the absence of a vaccine, the best hope we have is a viable treatment.

Herd immunity is a very unpalatable concept for people to accept, but it is the medical reality.

The R number on its own, means nothing, it's not a proper measure of our control over the virus. A town or city could have 1 person infected that goes on to infect 5 others giving a high R number, it still doesnt mean that the vast majority of the city's population are in danger. Equally, if 75% of a city is infected with a low R value, the population have a very high chance of being infected, its not safe to mingling with others. The R value is very misleading.

The only important figure to measure is the daily number of people requiring critical care

[Oliver_W]

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4963&stc=1&d=1591522015

oops :laugh:

[user104658]

lockdowns were never an answer and neither is track and trace. In the absence of a vaccine, the best hope we have is a viable treatment.

Herd immunity is a very unpalatable concept for people to accept, but it is the medical reality.

The problem is that people don't really understand a lot of the terms their using, e.g. "We should NEVER rely on herd immunity, we need a vaccine!"

...I'm curious about what they think a vaccine does? The entire point of a vaccine is to create "artificial" herd immunity. That's what a vaccine is. A way to "trick" the immune system into creating antibodies to a virus without actually getting ill.

That's why I get especially frustrated with people saying "We don't even know if people who have been infected get any immunity, so we have to wait for the vaccine!"

...If people who have been infected have "no immunity", then a vaccine is highly unlikely to work either. Of course on that front it's always been nonsense anyway. People do develop Covid antibodies and the vast majority develop immunity.

The big question in all scenarios of course is how long immunity lasts / how often the virus shifts significantly enough to nullify immunity... which is why you can obviously get the flu more than once in your life (but are unlikely to get it twice in the same flu season) and vaccines are annual not permanent.

I also agree that the best outcome (and a likely one, the science is developing every day) is that we develop increasingly effective interventions and treatments that mean while it'll still be around, it'll be far less dangerous. If we can mostly stop it from killing people and making people critically ill, then stopping it completely becomes far less important.

[user104658]

People were saying that a couple of days ago but it's hard to say because Spain have changed how they report deaths, I posted this guys twitter thread about it the other day. They went from reporting hundreds of deaths a day (similar numbers to us) to one or two because of it

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Numbers are being fiddled more or less as international policy now... those in power are (not wrongly) starting to panic big time over the economic impact. Official figures are barely worth reading. I base my perception of the real situation in the UK on having friends (well... my wife having friends... obviously I don't have any friends :fist: ) in nursing and medicine across the UK - so she knows people working in ICU's and care homes from Central London to Aberdeen. They've been pretty good at giving updates on when the hospitals are feeling the pressure vs when it's quiet. Obviously an imperfect system but a lot more reliable than the reported numbers at this point.

[arista]

110,028 deaths USA
40,625 deaths United Kingdom
35,930 deaths Brazil
33,899 deaths Italy
29,158 deaths France
27,136 deaths Spain
13,511 deaths Mexico

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[The Slim Reaper]

You're doing the lords work, arista. I'm sure bots appreciates it, you know how he loves to see the numbers.

[Zizu]

110,028 deaths USA
40,625 deaths United Kingdom
35,930 deaths Brazil
33,899 deaths Italy
29,158 deaths France
27,136 deaths Spain
13,511 deaths Mexico

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html



The Brazilian government has apparently pulled all their virus data down off the internet .. they’re in a crisis situation and winter is approaching which is apparently a very bad prospect


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[Cherie]

77 deaths today...none in Scotland or NI

[Zizu]

77 deaths today...none in Scotland or NI



Sunday / Monday stats are largely irrelevant of course


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[AnnieK]

Sunday / Monday stats are largely irrelevant of course


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They are not as accurate but as we have had data every day it is still comparable on a weekly basis

[arista]

Sadly Covid-19
has reached the Amazon in Brazil.

[The lungs of the world are the Amazon,
but the world now has a cough, a deadly cough,
and it's spreading through the most remote
parts of the planet with incredible speed.
The Amazon river and its many tributaries
are magnificent, the rainforest is almost
impenetrable, its human population and
its biodiverse inhabitants of animals and
plants are beyond equal in the world.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-has-struck-and-the-amazon-can-do-nothing-to-protect-itself-12000664

[bots]

You're doing the lords work, arista. I'm sure bots appreciates it, you know how he loves to see the numbers.

:fist:

[The Slim Reaper]

:fist:

:smug:

[Cherie]

Sadly Covid-19
has reached the Amazon in Brazil.

[The lungs of the world are the Amazon,
but the world now has a cough, a deadly cough,
and it's spreading through the most remote
parts of the planet with incredible speed.
The Amazon river and its many tributaries
are magnificent, the rainforest is almost
impenetrable, its human population and
its biodiverse inhabitants of animals and
plants are beyond equal in the world.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-has-struck-and-the-amazon-can-do-nothing-to-protect-itself-12000664

It could wipe out indigenous tribes :sad:

[user104658]

It could wipe out indigenous tribes :sad:

How on earth could a virus with a less than 1% mortality rate wipe out indigenous tribes ffs.

[Kizzy]

I don't know if it will wipe them out... why would it? These pepole are healthy lean people. It's not that type at high risk is it?

Fat diabetic westerners are, those with high blood pressure and cholesterol, chronic inflammation, liver or kidney damage.

Not saying they won't be affected but why would it wipe them out as opposed to us?

[Jake.]

Could it be due to our immune systems being affected by illnesses more? Idk

[thesheriff443]

How on earth could a virus with a less than 1% mortality rate wipe out indigenous tribes ffs.

Well you see chap they don’t have any medicine or hospitals in the jungle no electricity to run a ventilator.

[thesheriff443]

O wait they have a witch doctor so they will be fine.

[Marsh.]

:umm2:

[user104658]

Well you see chap they don’t have any medicine or hospitals in the jungle no electricity to run a ventilator.

Less than 5% need hospital treatment, and that's a generous estimate. Most people get a mild cough, sore throat, or no symptoms at all. It's not wiping out any tribes... it's not smallpox. We've circled right back round to the massive hyperbole with Covid, apparently.

[user104658]

I don't know if it will wipe them out... why would it? These pepole are healthy lean people. It's not that type at high risk is it?

Fat diabetic westerners are, those with high blood pressure and cholesterol, chronic inflammation, liver or kidney damage.

Not saying they won't be affected but why would it wipe them out as opposed to us?

Not only that but you also have the effect of a "natural lifespan" ... most people in remote tribes will have a life expectancy of about 50. Some will live to 60-70 but that will be thought of as "very very old". The vast majority of Covid hospitalisations are overweight men over the age of 50 ... and in remote Amazonian tribes, that demographic simply doesn't exist in the first place.

[thesheriff443]

Less than 5% need hospital treatment, and that's a generous estimate. Most people get a mild cough, sore throat, or no symptoms at all. It's not wiping out any tribes... it's not smallpox. We've circled right back round to the massive hyperbole with Covid, apparently.

Have you got the latest figures coming from remote parts of the amazon jungle.

Figures are based a mixed community’s, so it’s a fact it kills more people from ethnic backgrounds than white people die from Covid so the numbers are going to be higher

Because you don’t go into a remote tribe in the Amazon and find Barry and barbrah living there after they did a council exchange from Yorkshire.

These tribes live in small numbers in a close nit community, can see any one staying in their hut for two weeks.

It kills more men than women and it’s the men that hunt for food, it may not wipe them out over night but repeated out breaks of the virus could wipe them out.

[Cherie]

How on earth could a virus with a less than 1% mortality rate wipe out indigenous tribes ffs.

Oh my bad I missed out the words ‘elders’ :hehe:

[Cherie]

Have you got the latest figures coming from remote parts of the amazon jungle.

Figures are based a mixed community’s, so it’s a fact it kills more people from ethnice backgrounds than white people die from Covid so the numbers are going to be higher

Because you don’t go into a remote tribe in the Amazon and find Barry and barbrah living there after they did a council exchange from Yorkshire.

These tribes live in small numbers in a close nit community, can see any one staying in their hut for two weeks.

It kills more men than women and it’s the men that hunt for food, it may not wipe them out over night but repeated out breaks of the virus could wipe them out.


Oh good point Sherriff

[Kizzy]

You're equating black and other ethnic groups as the same, they're not the same. The findings so far suggest it is a socio-economic issue, if I had to guess at a cause for the discrepancy in the UK I'd say the reason was dietry. Salt possibly?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/black-people-four-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-ons-finds

'The risk of Covid-19 death for people from Chinese and mixed ethnic groups was found to be similar to that for white people.

“These results show that the difference between ethnic groups in Covid-19 mortality is partly a result of socio-economic disadvantage and other circumstances, but a remaining part of the difference has not yet been explained,” the ONS said.'

[thesheriff443]

You're equating black and other ethnic groups as the same, they're not the same. The findings so far suggest it is a socio-economic issue, if I had to guess at a cause for the discrepancy in the UK I'd say the reason was dietry. Salt possibly?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/black-people-four-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-ons-finds

'The risk of Covid-19 death for people from Chinese and mixed ethnic groups was found to be similar to that for white people.

“These results show that the difference between ethnic groups in Covid-19 mortality is partly a result of socio-economic disadvantage and other circumstances, but a remaining part of the difference has not yet been explained,” the ONS said.'

No body really knows the answer at this stage, but those that got Covid bad have only been saved by being in intesive care and put on a ventilator, there is no intensive care or ventilators in the jungle, logic says the survival rate will be next to zero.

And I would hazard a guess that these tribes have no more than a hundred adults and children in a single tribe.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

He should be easy enough to identify.. .

Wonder what kind of sentences these people will be given ?

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[arista]

He should be easy enough to identify.. .

Wonder what kind of sentences these people will be given ?

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More important have they all spread Covid-19 killer?

[Cherie]

More important have they all spread Covid-19 killer?

as long as they weren't at the beach that is fine and dandy it seems! that will be a great comfort to future grieving families I'm sure

[Nicky91]

how spread covid, when they had worn face masks :shrug:

[Zizu]

how spread covid, when they had worn face masks :shrug:



They didn’t all wear face masks ... all the rioters seemed to ... oddly enough ;)


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[Nicky91]

They didn’t all wear face masks ... all the rioters seemed to ... oddly enough ;)


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ok not gonna argue there with you

anyway, the protesters are genuinely anti-racism (which is a good cause to fight for)

the rioters are just in it for the attention, to cause chaos, trouble (they also do not give any **** about the anti-racism cause what the protesters are there for) so basically it's because of these rioters things will more backfire on the protesters

[Zizu]

ok not gonna argue there with you



anyway, the protesters are genuinely anti-racism (which is a good cause to fight for)



the rioters are just in it for the attention, to cause chaos, trouble (they also do not give any **** about the anti-racism cause what the protesters are there for) so basically it's because of these rioters things will more backfire on the protesters



I really feel that the organisers should be held accountable for all the injuries and damage caused plus any further rioting that may spread across the country.




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[Nicky91]

I really feel that the organisers should be held accountable for all the injuries and damage caused plus any further rioting that may spread across the country.




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organisers should fix this for sure, and leave those rioters in the hands of the cops, the rioters all deserve some years of jail time for sure

them ruining the protests is not good, and punishments should happen for the rioters

[Cherie]

I think the government should throw open the country now, the people have showed by their behaviour the past few weeks .. not observing lockdown rules, .beach trips, house parties, meeting in big groups, protesting', that they really don't care about Public Health, so let's end what has now become charade! Shield the shielding and send the rest back to work if they have a job left that is

[arista]

how spread covid, when they had worn face masks :shrug:


Just from touching each other
No way are any of them, separated
they are all close together

[user104658]

No body really knows the answer at this stage, but those that got Covid bad have only been saved by being in intesive care and put on a ventilator, there is no intensive care or ventilators in the jungle, logic says the survival rate will be next to zero.

Those requiring treatment on ventilator in intensive care are less than 10% of RECORDED cases and there's emerging evidence that the majority of cases are so mild they were never even reported, or completely asymptomatic. And most ICU cases (by a LONG way) are people over the age of 70... When there's unlikely to be anyone over the age of 70 living in these area sin the first place. Logic says survival rate will be next to zero? Can you then explain that logic?

Because logic actually dictates that even in the absense of basic meds, death rates would be in the 1% - 5% range.

I don't know where you've got the idea that it's usual for people with Covid to end up on a ventilator. You need to stop reading The Sun.

[bots]

It's a very concerning virus to those over 60 and those with underlying health conditions. I don't know the demographics in the Amazon, but the only difference that health care systems make is that they can save about 50% of those that require critical care, but until we have actual figures of numbers of infected vs numbers that require critical care it's all guess work

The occupancy of critical care beds is continuing to decrease in the UK even after loosening lockdown restrictions. There are probably 100 different factors involved in that, from social distancing, herd immunity and the weather, to name but a few.

[Oliver_W]

How would it even get to the remote little tribes?

[thesheriff443]

Those requiring treatment on ventilator in intensive care are less than 10% of RECORDED cases and there's emerging evidence that the majority of cases are so mild they were never even reported, or completely asymptomatic. And most ICU cases (by a LONG way) are people over the age of 70... When there's unlikely to be anyone over the age of 70 living in these area sin the first place. Logic says survival rate will be next to zero? Can you then explain that logic?

Because logic actually dictates that even in the absense of basic meds, death rates would be in the 1% - 5% range.

I don't know where you've got the idea that it's usual for people with Covid to end up on a ventilator. You need to stop reading The Sun.

Don’t tell me what to do, the only information you have come up with is what you read.

Logic tells me you know nothing of the impact this virus will have remote amazon tribes.

[Oliver_W]

Don’t tell me what to do, the only information you have come up with is what you read.

Logic tells me you know nothing of the impact this virus will have remote amazon tribes.
Well sure, but he's made logically sound deductions :shrug:

[user104658]

Don’t tell me what to do, the only information you have come up with is what you read.

Logic tells me you know nothing of the impact this virus will have remote amazon tribes.

I know as much as you do (nothing for sure) but my assumptions are based on the actual figures, whereas yours are based on ... ? Panic? Some alternate reality where Covid is actually Ebola? We don't "know" what will happen, so we'll just blunder along believing nonsensical absolute-worst-case scenarios that have no basis in the things we DO know? OK you do you I suppose? My reply isn't really for you anyway, it's to correct misconceptions about the scale of the covid death rate (although, I'm sure most people already are generally aware) because that's worth doing. If you want to go on believing that Amazonian tribes are going to worse affected than any other population so far and be wiped out, feel free to carry on with that.

[Kizzy]

No body really knows the answer at this stage, but those that got Covid bad have only been saved by being in intesive care and put on a ventilator, there is no intensive care or ventilators in the jungle, logic says the survival rate will be next to zero.

And I would hazard a guess that these tribes have no more than a hundred adults and children in a single tribe.

My point is there's nothing to say that those who don't get it bad here will in the jungle, if they have no underlying health issues there's no reason to suspect they would.

Are 100 tribal people less physically robust than 100 westerners?
We dont know, for all we know if some groups forage they may have been exposed to this strain and developed natural immunity generations ago...who knows?

[Oliver_W]

Doesn't living "in the wild" by western standards improve robustness and hardiness?

[thesheriff443]

My point is there's nothing to say that those who don't get it bad here will in the jungle, if they have no underlying health issues there's no reason to suspect they would.

Are 100 tribal people less physically robust than 100 westerners?
We dont know, for all we know if some groups forage they may have been exposed to this strain and developed natural immunity generations ago...who knows?

Or they may not have been exposed to western diseases and have not built up immune systems, we don’t know but even if one person out of a hundred gets it bad with a ventilator they will die.

[thesheriff443]

Over 40 thousand people from all backgrounds and ages have died some where fit and healthy.

So I think there should be a level of concern rather just saying they we be fine without medicine or a hospital.

[user104658]

Or they may not have been exposed to western diseases and have not built up immune systems, we don’t know but even if one person out of a hundred gets it bad with a ventilator they will die.

It's true that indigenous populations have been badly affected by disease from colonial powers in the past, because they didn't have antibodies against minor pathogens that were brought over, but those were diseases that had been going around the rest of the world for centuries. The same happens vice versa obviously - some pretty nasty pathogens in the rainforest for explorers that the native people are quite robust against.

The whole issue with Covid-19 though is that NO ONE had resistance to it... it's as new in the UK as it would be in the deepest Amazon.

[Cherie]

Thousands of people belonging to indigenous Amazonian tribes are at risk of being “wiped out” by coronavirus - leading them to call for help from the international community.

Many of Brazil’s 850,000 indigenous people live in remote Amazon areas such as Manaus – with little or no access to healthcare or personal protective equipment (PPE) - prompting indigenous leaders to ask the World Health Organization (WHO) for help in providing equipment unavailable to health workers in tribal reservations and villages.

According to the Articulation of Brazil's Indigenous Peoples (APIB) – an umbrella association representing 305 tribes – deaths from the virus have increasing more than five-fold in the past month.

COVID-19 related deaths among Brazil's indigenous populations rose to 182 by 1 June – a rise of 154 fatalities from 28 instances recorded at the end of April.

[user104658]

Over 40 thousand people from all backgrounds and ages have died some where fit and healthy.

So I think there should be a level of concern rather just saying they we be fine without medicine or a hospital.

Most will be fine, some will be very ill, a very small percentage will die... the same as everywhere else. Yes it's true that a few who would have survived with ICU treatment will die, it's not a total lack of concern, just pointing out that 90%+ will have mild illness and recover so they won't be "wiped out". That doesn't mean that those deaths aren't tragic.

Frankly though, on that front, the deep rainforest is the least of the concern. There are BILLIONS of people across India, Africa and South America who have no more access to modern healthcare or ICU units than a remote tribe does. Some of them with modern hospitals within walking distance - just "not for them". Again of course most will recover at home, but the numbers who need care and can't access it will be huge if hundreds of millions are infected.

[user104658]

Thousands of people belonging to indigenous Amazonian tribes are at risk of being “wiped out” by coronavirus - leading them to call for help from the international community.

Many of Brazil’s 850,000 indigenous people live in remote Amazon areas such as Manaus – with little or no access to healthcare or personal protective equipment (PPE) - prompting indigenous leaders to ask the World Health Organization (WHO) for help in providing equipment unavailable to health workers in tribal reservations and villages.

According to the Articulation of Brazil's Indigenous Peoples (APIB) – an umbrella association representing 305 tribes – deaths from the virus have increasing more than five-fold in the past month.

COVID-19 related deaths among Brazil's indigenous populations rose to 182 by 1 June – a rise of 154 fatalities from 28 instances recorded at the end of April.

Again this seems to be based on the idea that without PPE and modern healthcare, a large proportion of people who get Covid will die. Which simply isn't true. We've known for months that it just isn't the case. We've been learning recently that up to 50% don't even get ill at all. Maybe it's the case that they're worried about the healthcare providers they do have, because if those people are affected more, it'll make their way of life impossible or very hard to continue? Either way these claims are making it sound like they're all just going to drop dead of Covid because they couldn't go to hospital, and it just isn't the case.

[Cherie]

Again this seems to be based on the idea that without PPE and modern healthcare, a large proportion of people who get Covid will die. Which simply isn't true. We've known for months that it just isn't the case. We've been learning recently that up to 50% don't even get ill at all. Maybe it's the case that they're worried about the healthcare providers they do have, because if those people are affected more, it'll make their way of life impossible or very hard to continue? Either way these claims are making it sound like they're all just going to drop dead of Covid because they couldn't go to hospital, and it just isn't the case.

I appreciate that, but there is more chance of them infecting each other given their living arrangements and I doubt they will be in a position to 'lockdown' who is going to furlough them...no one

[user104658]

I appreciate that, but there is more chance of them infecting each other given their living arrangements and I doubt they will be in a position to 'lockdown' who is going to furlough them...no one

Right but the 1 - 5% (it's < 1% with modern healthcare) death rate applies to 100% infection rate, it's not the death rate when mitigated by social distancing and lockdown measures.

[Cherie]

Right but the 1 - 5% (it's < 1% with modern healthcare) death rate applies to 100% infection rate, it's not the death rate when mitigated by social distancing and lockdown measures.

well lets hope so

[Kizzy]

Or they may not have been exposed to western diseases and have not built up immune systems, we don’t know but even if one person out of a hundred gets it bad with a ventilator they will die.

Coronavirus isn't a western disease... nobody has an immune system that can fight this if they are already compromised. Everyone of a similar age and fitness should be equally susceptible.

Yes if someone gets it bad they could die, thousands here had died unventilated.

[Kizzy]

Thousands of people belonging to indigenous Amazonian tribes are at risk of being “wiped out” by coronavirus - leading them to call for help from the international community.

Many of Brazil’s 850,000 indigenous people live in remote Amazon areas such as Manaus – with little or no access to healthcare or personal protective equipment (PPE) - prompting indigenous leaders to ask the World Health Organization (WHO) for help in providing equipment unavailable to health workers in tribal reservations and villages.

According to the Articulation of Brazil's Indigenous Peoples (APIB) – an umbrella association representing 305 tribes – deaths from the virus have increasing more than five-fold in the past month.

COVID-19 related deaths among Brazil's indigenous populations rose to 182 by 1 June – a rise of 154 fatalities from 28 instances recorded at the end of April.

If deaths are 182 from a population of 850,000 that's relatively low isn't it?

[arista]

[Coronavirus: New UK travel quarantine rules a stunt,
says Ryanair boss]


[Michael O'Leary :
"You could be in Sainsbury's, you could be on the beach,
you could be on the golf course in the unlikely
event the Home Office
calls you - all they will have is a mobile number."

He claimed even the Home Office
acknowledged the rules were
unenforceable.
Some industries have warned they will be
severely impacted by the rules,
and Mr O'Leary warned of devastation.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52959118

[Cherie]

If deaths are 182 from a population of 850,000 that's relatively low isn't it?

I guess so I suppose it depends when the virus got there

[arista]

[COVID-19: New Zealand declares it is free from the virus
for now as it records zero active cases]

Easy for a smaller population Islands

[arista]

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[Strictly Jake]

Im a bit suspicious we might not be getting told the correct numbers to help the new lockdown easing look like the right thing to do

Hopefully im wrong and the coronavirus is getting better

[user104658]

Im a bit suspicious we might not be getting told the correct numbers to help the new lockdown easing look like the right thing to do

Hopefully im wrong and the coronavirus is getting better

I think it's a bit of both tbh. Numbers are dropping certainly (that's based on people I know working in various hospitals and ICU's confirming that the rate of new admissions is easing), but there's also some ****ery going on with the figures I suspect.

[bots]

all countries are manipulating figures at the moment, because they know they have to get the economies back up and running or we are all literally doomed.

Spain for example are reporting no deaths, when other departments are saying ... we had deaths ... and the reason is simple .... they rely on tourism .... come and get some sun covid isn't a particularly great slogan

[user104658]

all countries are manipulating figures at the moment, because they know they have to get the economies back up and running or we are all literally doomed.

Spain for example are reporting no deaths, when other departments are saying ... we had deaths ... and the reason is simple .... they rely on tourism .... come and get some sun covid isn't a particularly great slogan

Spain jumped the shark a bit, I'd have loved to have been in that meeting.

"You know when we said make it look like the numbers are dropping?"
"...yeah?"
"Did you do it?"
"Yeah I've just sent out the figures for the last 5 days."
"OK and did you make the drop gradual and realistic?"
".... .... .... hm?"
"You did make it a gradual drop right??"
"I just put a random number between 2 and 5 for three days then 0"
"Oh my god. Well we have to go with it now I guess!"

[Cherie]

55 deaths in UK today

and pubs will reopen two weeks early on 22nd June, too right, they may as well open everything now with people trampling everywhere

[Cherie]

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yesss London.....

[Samm]

55 deaths in UK today

and pubs will reopen two weeks early on 22nd June, too right, they may as well open everything now with people trampling everywhere

It’s being considered nothing has been confirmed.

[Strictly Jake]

I still have no idea what to do about the holiday house all my family are supposed to be going to in July

Pubs reopen, schools reopen, all shops reopen, everyone back to work, huge protests everwhere and people allowed on beaches and parks and allowed to play sport yet we still cant see our family members indoors??

[Zizu]

Im a bit suspicious we might not be getting told the correct numbers to help the new lockdown easing look like the right thing to do

Hopefully im wrong and the coronavirus is getting better



I’m very , very suspicious about these numbers now ... they seemed to drop suddenly and coincidentally on the 1st June .. I think there were around 120 on the very day that they’d said some primary kids could return and the moving around rules were relaxed slightly and many returned to work


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[Cherie]

It’s being considered nothing has been confirmed.

Oh right thanks

[arista]

116,929 deaths USA
40,680 deaths United Kingdom
36,455 deaths Brazil
33,899 deaths Italy
29,158 deaths France
27,136 deaths Spain
13,699 deaths Mexico
9,606 deaths Belgium



From
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

Bloody Matt Hancock Again
doing the 5PM 10 Downing Street, briefing.

He is joined by David Pearson
Social Care Covid-19 Chair.

40,597

UK Deaths : 55


Live Now

[user104658]

40,680 deaths United Kingdom




From
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Bloody Matt Hancock Again
doing the 5PM 10 Downing Street, briefing.


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:think: honestly I've stopped trying to decipher this DaVinci code system.