Coronavirus Outbreak

[Zizu]

Some good news:

[Coronavirus: Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi discharged from hospital after treatment for COVID-19

She praises "wonderful" NHS staff and says she was "completely overwhelmed by the kind messages I have received from everyone".]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-mp-yasmin-qureshi-discharged-from-hospital-after-treatment-for-covid-19-12112059



Something positive...


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[arista]

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In Wales Supermarket

[arista]

Patients in hospital
7,706

Patients in ventilator beds
707

20,530 New Covid-19 Cases today

224 Deaths today.

44,571 Total UK Deaths today


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

that's double of ours, new cases today :(

[arista]

Coronavirus news live – latest UK updates:
Wales enters 17-day lockdown

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-news-live-latest-uk-updates-tougher-restrictions-to-affect-millions-in-next-24-hours-as-government-unveils-extra-support-measures-12103666

[Kizzy]

Well done to Wales, it's a much more proactive approach than our half arsed pointless tier system that is basically pointless.
If it works amazing and if it fails at least they gave it the best chance of stopping the virus in its tracks.

[arista]

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[arista]

[Coronavirus: South Yorkshire enters Tier 3 restrictions

Barnsley, Doncaster, Rotherham and Sheffield
are now covered by Tier 3 restrictions,
aimed at cutting the coronavirus spread.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-south-yorkshire-enters-tier-3-restrictions-12112782

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

most Asian countries returning back to sort of ''normality''

still all wearing masks, but audiences at sports events again too


many Asian countries have a better approach to Covid-19 than US, Europe

[Liam-]

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No, selfish bastards are sick of lockdown

[Cherie]

No, selfish bastards are sick of lockdown

I am sick of people who do what they like lockdown or no lockdown

businesses who have bent over backwards to prevent covid transmission who are now closed are not selfish bastards

[Nicky91]

I am sick of people who do what they like lockdown or no lockdown

businesses who have bent over backwards to prevent covid transmission who are now closed are not selfish bastards

yes we westerners all made mistakes

shame we aren't similar to in Asia, who don't care about their freedom or privacies but just happy to listen to rules, wear their masks, keep their distances, and their numbers have really reduced to almost nothing now

[Liam-]

I am sick of people who do what they like lockdown or no lockdown

businesses who have bent over backwards to prevent covid transmission who are now closed are not selfish bastards

Okay?

[arista]

No, selfish bastards are sick of lockdown


Yes
its saving lives
that matters more

[Zizu]

yes we westerners all made mistakes



shame we aren't similar to in Asia, who don't care about their freedom or privacies but just happy to listen to rules, wear their masks, keep their distances, and their numbers have really reduced to almost nothing now



If their stats are reliable or even trustworthy ...


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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/10/too-early-to-say-if-partial-lockdown-is-working-prime-minister-says/

stupid dutch PM Rutte, we need to go to full lockdown as here in the west people cannot obey rules as easily as they do in Asian countries



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54670386

US having record high of infections, another failed nation


South Korea, Japan, Vietnam those are countries who we should follow, rather our stuck up failed west


Vietnam still having no coronavirus deaths which is impressive too given they had loads of life/death cases but doctors there managed to save lives

[Nicky91]

If their stats are reliable or even trustworthy ...


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of course

they also do way more to slow down the spread


and their track and trace system with the app works better since no one in those countries cares about privacy too much, so easier to isolate any suspected cases

[DouglasS]

No, selfish bastards are sick of lockdown

That is not true... Some people are trying to stay financially afloat and lockdown is ending their businesses and they’re struggling to put food on the table. Weren’t you mad at the torys for not providing free school meals? That lack of money we have currently to not be able to give back to poor kids is due to lockdown.

[The Slim Reaper]

:laugh:

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[arista]

The Nutters are back
Central London

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[arista]

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[arista]

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Good on Police
using face masks

[Kizzy]

That is not true... Some people are trying to stay financially afloat and lockdown is ending their businesses and they’re struggling to put food on the table. Weren’t you mad at the torys for not providing free school meals? That lack of money we have currently to not be able to give back to poor kids is due to lockdown.

We have money... businesses are being supported.

What has this to do with fsm? :/

[Kizzy]

Boris has a plan B...I prefer the original.
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[Nicky91]

Belgium's capital Brussels has announced its stricter measures, the already existing curfew will be expanded and now will be from 22:00 PM - 6:00 AM

entire city is forced to wear a mask indoors and outdoors, and non-essential stores need to close at 20:00 PM, also gyms, cinema's, museums will be closing, these measures will be of effect on monday

[arista]

174 people have died today

23,012 New Covid-19 cases today

Patients in hospital
7,850

Patients in ventilator beds
743


44,745 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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Put a Mask on
you Freakin' Nutters



Covid-19 Spreaders


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[Zizu]

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Put a Mask on

you Freakin' Nutters







Covid-19 Spreaders





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They should spray them all with food dye


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[AnnieK]

1319981519767732224



Put a Mask on
you Freakin' Nutters



Covid-19 Spreaders


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London will be in the same mess we are soon.

[Kizzy]

It can't be London. ..you have to have a written invitation to visit anyone there!

[arista]

London will be in the same mess we are soon.

Yes looks like it.

[arista]

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[arista]

Good on Sir Bernard Jenkin MP
says get rid of Dido Harding
who is not doing well on Test and Trace

Live on Ridge SkyNewsHD


He wrote in todays Telegraph.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=arista;10939756]Good on Sir Bernard Jenkin MP
says get rid of Dido Harding
who is not doing well on Test and Trace

Live on Ridge SkyNewsHD


He wrote in todays Telegraph.

She has been horrific in that post

[Zizu]

[QUOTE=arista;10939756]Good on Sir Bernard Jenkin MP

says get rid of Dido Harding

who is not doing well on Test and Trace



Live on Ridge SkyNewsHD





He wrote in todays Telegraph.



She has been horrific in that post



Her first two albums were decent in all fairness ...



:)


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[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8876993/Fury-revealed-80s-not-given-potentially-life-saving-treatment-wave.html

[arista]

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[Zizu]

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I’m just not sure I’d completely trust another country’s vaccine... hell I don’t even trust our government ( wether it’s the tories or labour)


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[Niamh.]

1320369019925327873I hope they're planning on giving it out for free

[user104658]

I’m just not sure I’d completely trust another country’s vaccine... hell I don’t even trust our government ( wether it’s the tories or labour)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProMost of the standard vaccines (childhood vax schedule, travel vaccinations etc.) were not developed in the UK. I understand not trusting the Chinese government, but I don't think a vaccine has to be specifically UK-developed to be trustworthy.

[Nicky91]

Most of the standard vaccines (childhood vax schedule, travel vaccinations etc.) were not developed in the UK. I understand not trusting the Chinese government, but I don't think a vaccine has to be specifically UK-developed to be trustworthy.

i am not taking any vaccine myself, do you take vaccines for regular flu NO, so why should we for some non-existent virus (which i am not in the risk group for)

[bots]

every vaccine has to gain approval in each country before its approved for use by the public in that country. That's why the Astra Zenika is going through clinical trials throughout the world. For a chinese vaccine to be approved for use in the UK, it would need to go through the process too, so .... no drug should be able to get to the public before its known to be safe

[user104658]

i am not taking any vaccine myself, do you take vaccines for regular flu NO, so why should we for some non-existent virus (which i am not in the risk group for)Vulnerable people/healthcare workers etc do take vaccines for flu (and anyone can pay for one privately if they want one) ... But anyway, it's highly unlikely that Covid vaccines will be rolled out for less-at-risk categories (under 40's with no underlying conditions) for a long time, if ever. There are limitations on how quickly they can manufacture vaccine doses once/if one is developed so they will be on a priority basis for a long time. Full coverage isn't necessarily required for herd immunity, also.

[user104658]

every vaccine has to gain approval in each country before its approved for use by the public in that country. That's why the Astra Zenika is going through clinical trials throughout the world. For a chinese vaccine to be approved for use in the UK, it would need to go through the process too, so .... no drug should be able to get to the public before its known to be safe

As safe as possible*, there is no such thing as a 100% safe drug or vaccine.

[arista]

Patients in hospital
7,850

Patients in ventilator beds
743

19,790 tested for Covid-19 today

151 have died today


44,896 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

every vaccine has to gain approval in each country before its approved for use by the public in that country. That's why the Astra Zenika is going through clinical trials throughout the world. For a chinese vaccine to be approved for use in the UK, it would need to go through the process too, so .... no drug should be able to get to the public before its known to be safe


I saw a program suggesting vaccines usually take around 5 years + to develop and properly test ... I worry that they’re cutting sooo many corners to get them in circulation ( so to speak lol) .




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[bots]

I saw a program suggesting vaccines usually take around 5 years + to develop and properly test ... I worry that they’re cutting sooo many corners to get them in circulation ( so to speak lol) .




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they are being fast tracked, but the chemistry behind them is proven over decades so that reduces risk significantly. I do agree though that getting the shot will require a leap of faith

[Nicky91]

idk which asian country, but a friend told me, one asian country has less than 4.000 cases now

[reece(:]

I read that Tier 4 is being considered for a November implementation. :skull:

[Zizu]

I read that Tier 4 is being considered for a November implementation. :skull:



What the hell does Tier 4 entail ??


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[Beso]

I read that Tier 4 is being considered for a November implementation. :skull:

Yes..on the 2nd,

My week off, goodbye scotland:wavey:

[Vanessa]

My sister just told me that in Italy bars and restaurants have to close at 6 pm.
That's way too early. :shocked:

[reece(:]

What the hell does Tier 4 entail ??


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Discussions are underway among officials in Whitehall and local authorities for a "plan B" to drive Covid-19 infection rates down if the current three-tiered lockdown system fails to work, iNews reported.

Under tier three, pubs and bars that do not serve substantial meals are required to close, as are casinos, adult gaming centres, and soft play centres.

Non-essential shops can remain open under tier three restrictions.

Extra tier three-plus or potential tier four restrictions could mean restaurants and non-essential shops are forced to close.

Schools will not be permitted to close under any potential tier-four measures.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13018888/what-is-tier-4-lockdown/
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[arista]

My sister just told me that in Italy bars and restaurants have to close at 6 pm.
That's way too early. :shocked:


Look they had it worse than us.
They must be far more strict again
in order to keep so many more alive.

[arista]

Yes..on the 2nd,

My week off, goodbye scotland:wavey:


On the 2nd of Nov
Scotland goes to Tier 5

[Zizu]

On the 2nd of Nov

Scotland goes to Tier 5



Tier 5 !!!

Does that limit how much oxygen we breath in ??


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[Zizu]

We’ve got flamin fireworks going off near us .. feels like we’re under attack !


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[arista]

Tier 5 !!!

Does that limit how much oxygen we breath in ??


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From the 2nd of November
Scotland goes Crazy with the new 5 Tiers

All on this link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54661494

[Strictly Jake]

Schools not permitted to close even under tier 4????

Why????

Do they think pupils and staff are indestructible. Because my daughter is still isolating after a supply teacher tested postive

Also you should see the amount of school kids that get on buses etc at home time, no regard for anyone else on the bus whatsover.

Then you think of the amount of parents on the school run.

All these parents work with a lot of other people

Thats a lot of intermingling "bubbles"

Your not closing schools?? Dont bother with a tier 4!

[Zizu]

Schools not permitted to close even under tier 4????

Why????

Do they think pupils and staff are indestructible. Because my daughter is still isolating after a supply teacher tested postive

Also you should see the amount of school kids that get on buses etc at home time, no regard for anyone else on the bus whatsover.

Then you think of the amount of parents on the school run.

All these parents work with a lot of other people

Thats a lot of intermingling "bubbles"

Your not closing schools?? Dont bother with a tier 4!



I heard a worrying stat this morning .. supposedly the infection rate in schools has risen by SEVENTEEN fold in the 6 weeks 1st September to 14th October .


If doubling is a 100% increase ... times by 17 sounds horrifying .

Supposedly the schools want to move to some kind of rota so at any one time - half of pupils are being taught in school whilst the other half will be taught online ..


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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

i am not taking any vaccine myself, do you take vaccines for regular flu NO, so why should we for some non-existent virus (which i am not in the risk group for)

Yes...millions have a flu jab every year.

[Kizzy]

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120! Robbing bastards! ! How is this not exploitation?

I would bet these are the same tests the government bought in spring that were deemed not reliable enough for the general public supposedly... more like they wanted to flog them. Boots have been sat on these until the 2nd wave when people are starting to panic again.

[bots]

It's testing for the wealthy only Kizzy. A family of 4 would be £500 out of pocket if they wanted a day out, which is just insane

[Ammi]

...£120 per test..?..it’s being said to be a ‘peace of mind’ test...when no symptoms are displayed, there is no reason to feel testing is required at that moment etc...there does feel some irony, I think... when essential and none essential are such the controversy atm...we can have a non essential..(..at that moment..)... test because it’ll secure a purchase of £120...

[Kizzy]

It's a scam...I could underst and if they were being sent to labs and such, but what can you do in 12 min? It's going to be a shop assistant with 10 min training to dip a stery strip you spat on into a vial and shake it for a minute.

£120!

[Cherie]

120.00 lol

[Ammi]

...exploitation/monetary gain of fears and anxieties can always demand a high price tag, I guess...

[Cherie]

I assume this is the same one as they use in Italy? Its pure greed lets face it, however thinking about it a friend recently had to return to India as her Dad is ill and paid 200.00 for a mandatory covid test before she could get on the flight
, so a bit cheaper for anyone who needs to get abroad in a hurry

[bots]

I think it's the obvious greed and exploitation at the time of a global pandemic that sticks in the throat. There are plenty companies making obscene profits, and this is just another example

[Ammi]

...and Boots as well, bots...the betrayal...Et tu Brutas/Bootas...the premonition of it...

[Cherie]

I cant see a big uptake for it, wouldn’t you just get a free test like many with no symptoms are doing now :laugh:

[user104658]

Bootas [emoji23]

[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8878243/Commuter-towns-bear-brunt-end-furlough-scheme-amid-middle-class-jobs-bloodbath.html

[Middle-class jobs bloodbath: Commuter towns
and seaside resorts are bearing the brunt with
a Million more people facing
the dole before Christmas after furlough
scheme ends this weekend, economic experts warn]

[Zizu]

Boots could so easily have been onto a winner .. they could have been the heroes ..instead of the villains !

All they had to do is to show what the cost of each test was then offer it to customers at COST price ... use it as an attraction / a loss leader like the other places use ciggies.

Say the cost is £25 thousands would pay that for peace of mind if they’d been in contact with a confirmed case and then as the numbers multiply the price would drop accordingly


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[Ammi]

Matt Hancock ‘not ruling out’ coronavirus vaccine for NHS before Christmas...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-nhs-workers-matt-hancock-090024230.html

[arista]

Matt Hancock ‘not ruling out’ coronavirus vaccine for NHS before Christmas...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-nhs-workers-matt-hancock-090024230.html


Yes I hope it works

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Matt Hancock ‘not ruling out’ coronavirus vaccine for NHS before Christmas...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-nhs-workers-matt-hancock-090024230.html

he just lied and said Bojo had been in touch with Marcus Rashford, can't believe a word out of his mouth

although Fauci on Marr confirmed similar yesterday

[arista]

[Coronavirus: New boss of Test and Trace app Gaby Appleton
only contracted for six months
Gaby Appleton is the third person to lead
the app team in the last six months.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-new-boss-of-test-and-trace-app-gaby-appleton-only-contracted-for-six-months-12114798

[Nicky91]

can't see that vaccine happen by christmas this year

maybe spring next year, just maybe but also not sure

[Zizu]

Matt Hancock ‘not ruling out’ coronavirus vaccine for NHS before Christmas...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-nhs-workers-matt-hancock-090024230.html



Did he stipulate which Christmas ?


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[Ammi]

Did he stipulate which Christmas ?


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...:laugh:...oh you tell him, Zizu...

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[Kizzy]

Why was Fauci on Marr?
Hope he didn't bring that mouldy orange blob with him!

[Zizu]

Why was Fauci on Marr?
Hope he didn't bring that mouldy orange blob with him!



Gemma Collins ?


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[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

10,353 new cases

291 new hospitalisations (in total 2,249)

49 new ICU patients (in total 506)

26 new deaths

[arista]

Why was Fauci on Marr?
Hope he didn't bring that mouldy orange blob with him!


No Fauci
is no longer helping Trump.

[arista]

Nottingham, three neighbouring boroughs
and Warrington 'Will all enter Tier Three' this week

[Labour's MP for Nottingham East, Nadia Whittome,
claimed that local officials have been
asked to sign last-minute agreements
about entering Tier Three without any
clear information about how much funding
they will receive to protect jobs and businesses.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8880105/Nottingham-three-neighbouring-boroughs-enter-Tier-3-week.html

[The Slim Reaper]

No Fauci
is no longer helping Trump.

He is. Trump just doesn't want the advice because he's more worried about the election, than a 9/11 worth of deaths every 3 days. He is still in place and is one of the leading epidemiologists in the world.

[bots]

He is. Trump just doesn't want the advice because he's more worried about the election, than a 9/11 worth of deaths every 3 days. He is still in place and is one of the leading epidemiologists in the world.

and what's more, he comes across as a genuinely nice guy

[arista]

Warrington tomorrow goes into Tier 3

Confirmed/Agreed.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warrington-will-move-into-tier-3-on-tuesday-government-says-12115204

[Cherie]

and what's more, he comes across as a genuinely nice guy

I had never seen him interviewed in UK before yes nice guy

[Crimson Dynamo]

positive note

On the plus side, nobody has died of flu or old age since March.

[bots]

positive note

On the plus side, nobody has died of flu or old age since March.

lol

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Parts of Nottinghamshire
will also move into Tier 3,
from Thursday.

[arista]

Today 102 have died today

20,890 New Covid-19 cases

Patients in hospital
7,850

Patients in ventilator beds
743

44,998 Total Deaths UK

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

it's monday, so the figures will be lower today

[Nicky91]

7,850 is not a bad number (that might seem at first)


but tbh a la Merkel's calculating style, if you more or less get 20k new cases next few months

and you might get into 20.000-40.000 hospitalisations if you're not careful, so stricter measures i do advise to prevent worse than where you guys are now

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[arista]

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She was being Cocky saying she can have
7 at her Xmas table?

Of Course while working for BBCnews
she must be legal.

So she has now said they will Not be 7 at Xmas

[Cherie]

1320987173290610690


She was being Cocky saying she can have
7 at her Xmas table?

Of Course while working for BBCnews
she must be legal.

So she has now said they will Not be 7 at Xmas

promoting herself before her IAC entry I guess

Very irresponsible but she won't be the only one with 7 at the table I am sure

[bots]

i think the guidelines are going to go to pot at Christmas. Police can't enforce the rule of 6. They will go after large events which there will be plenty of

[Zizu]

Just listening to LBC and it’s grim ..

They’re running with the story below .. the guest experts are painting a very worrying picture.

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[Ammi]

...sorry, just to add to that, Zizu...just because it is connected...

Coronavirus: Antibodies fall rapidly after COVID infection, dashing hopes of herd immunity - study...

So-called herd immunity has been proposed by some scientists as a better alternative to lockdowns in tackling the coronavirus pandemic.

It would require around 50-60% of the population to have protection against the virus so it could no longer transmit efficiently.

However, a major UK study has found that rather than building immunity over time, the number of people with antibodies has fallen by 26% since lockdown was eased over the summer.

Researchers from Imperial College London screened 365,000 people over three rounds of testing between June and September.

Results of the REACT-2 study showed that 6% of people had antibodies to the virus around the time lockdown was eased in late June and early July.

But by the start of the second wave last month, this dropped to just 4.4%.

Professor Helen Ward, one of the researchers, said the new results strongly suggest that herd immunity is unachievable.

"When you think 95 people out of 100 are still likely to be susceptible, we are a long, long way from anything resembling population level protection against onward transmission," she said.

"It's not something you can use as a strategy for infection control [for COVID-19] in the population."

The finding is another blow to scientists behind the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, who had suggested that vulnerable people could be shielded at home while the virus spreads through the young and healthy to build up herd immunity.

The proposal has been strongly criticised by many other scientists.

The researchers found younger people, those from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) communities and health workers had higher antibody levels, possibly because they were in regular contact with infected individuals.

The fall in antibodies suggest people will be regularly re-infected, just as they are with related coronaviruses that cause the common cold.

Professor Wendy Barclay, an infectious diseases specialist and one of the researchers, said antibodies peak three to four weeks after symptoms and then drop away, as they do for related viruses.

She said: "Seasonal coronaviruses that circulate every winter and cause common colds can re-infect people after six to 12 months.

"We suspect that the way the body reacts to infection with this new coronavirus is similar to that."

There have so far only been a handful of documented cases of re-infection.

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Dr Alexander Edwards, associate professor in biomedical technology at the University of Reading, said: "What is not clear is how quickly antibody levels would rise again if a person encounters the virus a second time.

"It is possible they will still rapidly respond, and either have a milder illness, or remain protected through immune memory.

"So even if the rapid antibody test is no longer positive, the person may still be protected from re-infection."

The study, which is yet to be peer reviewed, only measured antibodies.

It is possible that another arm of the immune system called T-cells, may remain active, but there is currently no available test for them.

Scientists are cautious about using the results to predict the protection provided by a vaccine.

They say immunisations may lead to a more robust antibody response.

Health Minister Lord Bethell said the study "is a critical piece of research, helping us to understand the nature of COVID-19 antibodies over time, and improve our understanding about the virus itself".

He added: "We rely on this kind of important research to inform our continued response to the disease, so we can continue to take the right action at the right time.

"It is also important that everyone knows what this means for them - this study will help in our fight against the virus, but testing positive for antibodies does not mean you are immune to COVID-19."

[Ammi]

...a more cynical person...(...obviously that would never be one of us...no, no, no...)...may wonder, did our government opt against herd immunity in the name of immoral etc...or did they realise that it just wasn’t achievable...

[bots]

We haven't come up with anti bodies for the common cold, so there is no reason to believe that we would have permanent immunity to covid either, and people have been saying that for months. However, it's not a black or white thing. The t cell angle means that you can catch it but it doesn't do any (or as much) harm. I do think the narrative of "the vaccine will be here soon" is overly simplistic because there is no evidence that it will lead to long term immunity (how can they know yet) but the line being taken is that some immunity is better than none, which doesn't fill me with a load of confidence in it

[Zizu]

...sorry, just to add to that, Zizu...just because it is connected...



Coronavirus: Antibodies fall rapidly after COVID infection, dashing hopes of herd immunity - study...



So-called herd immunity has been proposed by some scientists as a better alternative to lockdowns in tackling the coronavirus pandemic.



It would require around 50-60% of the population to have protection against the virus so it could no longer transmit efficiently.



However, a major UK study has found that rather than building immunity over time, the number of people with antibodies has fallen by 26% since lockdown was eased over the summer.



Researchers from Imperial College London screened 365,000 people over three rounds of testing between June and September.



Results of the REACT-2 study showed that 6% of people had antibodies to the virus around the time lockdown was eased in late June and early July.



But by the start of the second wave last month, this dropped to just 4.4%.



Professor Helen Ward, one of the researchers, said the new results strongly suggest that herd immunity is unachievable.



"When you think 95 people out of 100 are still likely to be susceptible, we are a long, long way from anything resembling population level protection against onward transmission," she said.



"It's not something you can use as a strategy for infection control [for COVID-19] in the population."



The finding is another blow to scientists behind the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, who had suggested that vulnerable people could be shielded at home while the virus spreads through the young and healthy to build up herd immunity.



The proposal has been strongly criticised by many other scientists.



The researchers found younger people, those from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) communities and health workers had higher antibody levels, possibly because they were in regular contact with infected individuals.



The fall in antibodies suggest people will be regularly re-infected, just as they are with related coronaviruses that cause the common cold.



Professor Wendy Barclay, an infectious diseases specialist and one of the researchers, said antibodies peak three to four weeks after symptoms and then drop away, as they do for related viruses.



She said: "Seasonal coronaviruses that circulate every winter and cause common colds can re-infect people after six to 12 months.



"We suspect that the way the body reacts to infection with this new coronavirus is similar to that."



There have so far only been a handful of documented cases of re-infection.



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Dr Alexander Edwards, associate professor in biomedical technology at the University of Reading, said: "What is not clear is how quickly antibody levels would rise again if a person encounters the virus a second time.



"It is possible they will still rapidly respond, and either have a milder illness, or remain protected through immune memory.



"So even if the rapid antibody test is no longer positive, the person may still be protected from re-infection."



The study, which is yet to be peer reviewed, only measured antibodies.



It is possible that another arm of the immune system called T-cells, may remain active, but there is currently no available test for them.



Scientists are cautious about using the results to predict the protection provided by a vaccine.



They say immunisations may lead to a more robust antibody response.



Health Minister Lord Bethell said the study "is a critical piece of research, helping us to understand the nature of COVID-19 antibodies over time, and improve our understanding about the virus itself".



He added: "We rely on this kind of important research to inform our continued response to the disease, so we can continue to take the right action at the right time.



"It is also important that everyone knows what this means for them - this study will help in our fight against the virus, but testing positive for antibodies does not mean you are immune to COVID-19."



Thanks for this !

You’ve added some meat to the bones of my story ..


A bacteriologist was just sharing the case of a young healthy 22yr who tested positive a few months ago - mild symptoms.
He then tested positive again just 48 days later.. the virus had changed dramatically.. he was gravely ill in hospital for weeks . Now recovering slowly thankfully.

That’s scary :(



What’s the point of spending all this time and money on a vaccine for a virus that’s completely changing in 48 days ... I don’t even see how we can give vaccines every two months ..


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[bots]

Zizu with covid, you cannot say something happened to one person therefore it could happen to many. It just doesn't work that way. There is certainly no point in worrying about getting covid twice when 90% of the world population haven't had it once yet. We can spend our days worrying about what if's forever ... but it's not a good way to maintain mental health. Jumping on every scare story the press put out on an almost daily basis doesn't do anyone any good

[arista]

promoting herself before her IAC entry I guess

Very irresponsible but she won't be the only one with 7 at the table I am sure


Yes well Over Cocky V. Derbyshire
while working for BBC news.

A Law breaker - possible.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Zizu with covid, you cannot say something happened to one person therefore it could happen to many. It just doesn't work that way. There is certainly no point in worrying about getting covid twice when 90% of the world population haven't had it once yet. We can spend our days worrying about what if's forever ... but it's not a good way to maintain mental health. Jumping on every scare story the press put out on an almost daily basis doesn't do anyone any good



It’s not me saying that to be fair ..

It’s on the radio , telly and general media


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[Vanessa]

Bar and restaurant owners in Italy have been protesting.
Just seen it on the news and they look really pissed off D:
I'm not surprised, closing at 6 pm is way too early.
I think 10 pm is reasonable.

[bots]

It’s not me saying that to be fair ..

It’s on the radio , telly and general media


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oh I know that Zizu :laugh:, but they are feeding panic, when they just shouldn't , it's been happening since the beginning of the year.

The way I look at these things is ... is there anything I can personally do about it .. and the answer is no ... so what's the point of worrying about it, it's just pointless. We need to concentrate on what we as individuals can do ourselves

[user104658]

We haven't come up with anti bodies for the common cold, so there is no reason to believe that we would have permanent immunity to covid either, and people have been saying that for months. However, it's not a black or white thing. The t cell angle means that you can catch it but it doesn't do any (or as much) harm. I do think the narrative of "the vaccine will be here soon" is overly simplistic because there is no evidence that it will lead to long term immunity (how can they know yet) but the line being taken is that some immunity is better than none, which doesn't fill me with a load of confidence in it

It's not as simple as that really since most "common colds" are rhinovirus variations not coronaviruses, and the reason you don't become "immune to the cold" is that there are dozens of rhinovirus variations doing the rounds so when you catch 3 colds in a year, it's likely they're all completely "different colds". When you catch one of the "coronavirus colds" it's actually fairly likely you wont get that same strain again for a number of years - but again, you can still get any of the various other colds that do the rounds.

In short, "the common cold" is actually a tonne of different mild viruses that happen to have similar symptoms, it's not actually a distinct illness.

[user104658]

As a fun addition to that - it is actually possible to get a corona-based cold AND a rhino-based cold at the same time :omgno:

[bots]

As a fun addition to that - it is actually possible to get a corona-based cold AND a rhino-based cold at the same time :omgno:

they are predicting a flu/covid mix .... that sounds like a real joy

[user104658]

they are predicting a flu/covid mix .... that sounds like a real joy

You'd have to be fairly unlucky to catch both at the same time but, statistically, I guess there will probably be a couple of cases.

[arista]

Oldham, Greater Manchester:
Mass brawl erupts at petrol station as women
throw punches after 'refusing to wear mask'

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/26/08/34844818-8879383-image-a-13_1603702242434.jpg
Fists Up


[Within seconds of the video starting,
one of the other women appears to throw
a punch, before the situation deescalates
and she appears to drag her friend away.
But then both women appear to throw
a series of punches at the woman in grey.

As the melee ends, the camera darts off
to the two men. The footage appears to
show a man punching the man in red,
sending his glasses flying off his face.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8879383/Moment-mass-brawl-erupts-petrol-station-women-throw-punches-refusing-wear-mask.html

[arista]

Wave of anti-lockdown protests sweeps across Europe

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/09/34892232-8882647-image-a-32_1603789228732.jpg
[Protesters in Barcelona,
waving placards including the slogan '******* Covidtalism',
take part in an anti-curfew march last night]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8882647/Furious-anti-lockdown-protests-erupt-Europe.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/02/34880412-8882647-image-a-132_1603764510078.jpg
[In Turin, police responded with volleys
of tear gas as they tried to restore order
on Monday night.
Pictured: Demonstrators next to a fire in Turin]

[Zizu]

oh I know that Zizu :laugh:, but they are feeding panic, when they just shouldn't , it's been happening since the beginning of the year.



The way I look at these things is ... is there anything I can personally do about it .. and the answer is no ... so what's the point of worrying about it, it's just pointless. We need to concentrate on what we as individuals can do ourselves



Fair points ..

I don’t think the media understand or care what this type of revelation can do to someone’s mindset ..




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[Zizu]

Oldham, Greater Manchester:

Mass brawl erupts at petrol station as women

throw punches after 'refusing to wear mask'



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/26/08/34844818-8879383-image-a-13_1603702242434.jpg

Fists Up





[Within seconds of the video starting,

one of the other women appears to throw

a punch, before the situation deescalates

and she appears to drag her friend away.

But then both women appear to throw

a series of punches at the woman in grey.



As the melee ends, the camera darts off

to the two men. The footage appears to

show a man punching the man in red,

sending his glasses flying off his face.]





https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8879383/Moment-mass-brawl-erupts-petrol-station-women-throw-punches-refusing-wear-mask.html



Oldham are at the forefront of the second wave from what I can tell — stats-wise so tensions will be high ...

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[The Slim Reaper]

Oldham, Greater Manchester:
Mass brawl erupts at petrol station as women
throw punches after 'refusing to wear mask'

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/26/08/34844818-8879383-image-a-13_1603702242434.jpg
Fists Up


[Within seconds of the video starting,
one of the other women appears to throw
a punch, before the situation deescalates
and she appears to drag her friend away.
But then both women appear to throw
a series of punches at the woman in grey.

As the melee ends, the camera darts off
to the two men. The footage appears to
show a man punching the man in red,
sending his glasses flying off his face.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8879383/Moment-mass-brawl-erupts-petrol-station-women-throw-punches-refusing-wear-mask.html

At least we know Annie is getting some fresh air.

[bots]

i think it's unlikely that a fight was started because someone was wearing a mask. Sometimes people are just plain old thugs

[Vanessa]

Wave of anti-lockdown protests sweeps across Europe

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/09/34892232-8882647-image-a-32_1603789228732.jpg
[Protesters in Barcelona,
waving placards including the slogan '******* Covidtalism',
take part in an anti-curfew march last night]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8882647/Furious-anti-lockdown-protests-erupt-Europe.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/02/34880412-8882647-image-a-132_1603764510078.jpg
[In Turin, police responded with volleys
of tear gas as they tried to restore order
on Monday night.
Pictured: Demonstrators next to a fire in Turin]
In my country it's the 6 pm closure that caused this.
Business owners are really angry :worry:

[user104658]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/02/34880412-8882647-image-a-132_1603764510078.jpg
]

Me and you Arista, outside Woolies when the war dogs malfunction and won't serve us any fizzy colabottles. **** the system.

[Nicky91]

In my country it's the 6 pm closure that caused this.
Business owners are really angry :worry:

who cares about silly things as economy, this should not be a huge problem

if businesses get into trouble, EU will help out any of their nations

[user104658]

who cares about silly things as economy, this should not be a huge problem

if businesses get into trouble, EU will help out any of their nations

:think: The EU's ability to help out struggling nations is entirely dependant on the economic health of its wealthier member nations, but you just said economy shouldn't/doesn't matter so... they won't be able to help anyone :shrug:.

[bots]

:think: The EU's ability to help out struggling nations is entirely dependant on the economic health of its wealthier member nations, but you just said economy shouldn't/doesn't matter so... they won't be able to help anyone :shrug:.

Nicky will use his vast drug empire to finance the EU's recovery

[Nicky91]

:think: The EU's ability to help out struggling nations is entirely dependant on the economic health of its wealthier member nations, but you just said economy shouldn't/doesn't matter so... they won't be able to help anyone :shrug:.

trash Netherlands should just donate 100 billion to spread over the struggling nations

i don't care if this **** dutch go bankrupt anyway

[user104658]

trash Netherlands should just donate 100 billion to spread over the struggling nations

i don't care if this **** dutch go bankrupt anyway

One country donates its entire economic output to be spread between the others, to concentrate extreme misery in one place whilst lessening it everywhere else...

...it's a bold strategy Nicky, the sociopath in me quite likes it :laugh:.

[Nicky91]

One country donates its entire economic output to be spread between the others, to concentrate extreme misery in one place whilst lessening it everywhere else...

...it's a bold strategy Nicky, the sociopath in me quite likes it :laugh:.

well we dutch deserve to suffer for our mistakes made in this coronacrisis

[user104658]

well we dutch deserve to suffer for our mistakes made in this coronacrisis

I think if there's any blame at all to be handed out for Covid-19, you're right, we should start with the Dutch.

[Nicky91]

I think if there's any blame at all to be handed out for Covid-19, you're right, we should start with the Dutch.

here they want to keep waiting with a second lockdown, despite there being for days now above 10k new cases

hospitals are getting full now, we cannot bring any more cases into hospital so some need to be left without care and probably die

but here our **** rivm: wait for few more weeks

[arista]

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[arista]

367 Deaths today

Patients in hospital
9,199

Patients in ventilator beds
852


22,885 Tested today with Covid-19


45,365 Total UK Covid-19 deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

367 Deaths today

Patients in hospital
9,199

Patients in ventilator beds
852


22,885 Tested today with Covid-19


45,365 Total UK Covid-19 deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Those deaths are nearly DOUBLE the figures of last Weds/ Thurs / Friday ...

!!!




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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/16/34911942-0-image-m-28_1603816120204.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/13/34899786-8883671-image-a-12_1603804690563.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElWXch_XYAAHnHt?format=jpg&name=900x900

[bots]

typical of the press to be asking about an exit strategy as the cases surge. Irresponsible

[MTVN]

The deaths rise is worrying but was also pretty inevitable with cases rising and entering winter, the slight good news is that cases have been pretty steady for a week or so now

[arista]

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[Jake.]

367 Deaths today

Patients in hospital
9,199

Patients in ventilator beds
852


22,885 Tested today with Covid-19


45,365 Total UK Covid-19 deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

That’s... really not good at all.

[Vanessa]

367 Deaths today

Patients in hospital
9,199

Patients in ventilator beds
852


22,885 Tested today with Covid-19


45,365 Total UK Covid-19 deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
We're on the middle of a second wave.
Hopefully the measures will help to improve things.

[Josy]

Predicted levels for Scotland but not confirmed 5078

[Vanessa]

I'm central London. It's nice to see everyone wearing masks and keeping distance.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/xeKSwPT_NAe107tIzyHJSQ/https/media.fyre.co/q2Pl7tkQQLq7322u2GVK_i-front-page-28-october_1603836571.jpg

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/d_gsJ3EK8szyLeXWzxFCgQ/https/media.fyre.co/9LEYybC9RfyboxVIAQhw_Daily%20Express%20front%20281 0.JPG

[arista]

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[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/FP40cm1Yx4fSHY9_HLGEpQ/https/media.fyre.co/pvQu9Bt4Sm6YHObPTmU0_Times%20front%202810.JPG

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElX7FTgW0AAYyEp?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/E645/production/_115094985_telegraph-nc.png

[arista]

[Heathrow no longer Europe's busiest airport as
boss blames coronavirus testing failure]

Maybe he should of funded the tests
and not charged everyone.

https://news.sky.com/story/paris-overtakes-heathrow-as-europes-largest-airport-12116633

[arista]

Friday Nottinghamshire goes into Tier 3


Ref: SkyNewsHD, BBCnewsHD

[arista]

All over Europe they are doing different measures
but Still China's Covid-19 is rising.
Killing off more folks

Lockdown will not work now
in the England, as the numbers are still going up.


Ref: All Out Politics SkyNewsHD 11:08AM

[Ammi]

All over Europe they are doing different measures
but Still China's Covid-19 is rising.
Killing off more folks

Lockdown will not work now
in the England, as the numbers are still going up.


Ref: All Out Politics SkyNewsHD 11:08AM

...yes, Donald...

[arista]

...yes, Donald...

He is in USA

[bots]

He is in USA

nobody in the UK refers to it as China's covid

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElW5mf0XUAAxWAh?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/28/10/34943470-0-image-m-3_1603879266046.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8887775/SAGE-experts-warn-second-wave-deadlier-first.html

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

1321436565130809345

yes very sad, but good there is always facetime/skype in times like this

and maybe Hallmark also has a good one these festive times too, maybe more christmas e-cards being purchased and sent :think:

[DouglasS]

1321436565130809345

I can’t stand this guy, something about him. I don’t think many like him either

He just scaremongers

[Ammi]

County Durham councillor claims COVID is 'a fake virus' and rants against lockdown...

...video in the link...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/irene-hewitson-county-durham-councillor-covid-fake-virus-094430867.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

My pal Jem has got the covids :sad:

bloody Manchester

he only has mild symptoms however

but he is a smoker

[Crimson Dynamo]

and my old mum is in hosp till friday with her legs so that is also a big worry

[bots]

if she needs to go into hospital, better now than later. I cant imagine what it will be like in hospital by january

[arista]

310 Dead today

Patients in hospital
9,520

Patients in ventilator beds
902

24,701 Tested with Covid-19 today


45,675 total deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Whole of Nottinghamshire to
enter Tier 3 lockdown on Friday
The area will join Warrington, the Liverpool City Region,
Greater Manchester, Lancashire
and South Yorkshire in the highest tier.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-whole-of-nottinghamshire-to-enter-tier-3-lockdown-on-friday-12116885

[Zizu]

My pal Jem has got the covids :sad:



bloody Manchester



he only has mild symptoms however



but he is a smoker



What age group !!



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[Crimson Dynamo]

What age group !!



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[Kate!]

My pal Jem has got the covids :sad:

bloody Manchester

he only has mild symptoms however

but he is a smoker

and my old mum is in hosp till friday with her legs so that is also a big worry

sorry to hear this LT. X

[Zizu]

52



That’s not too bad I suppose not great though if he’s a smoker as you mentioned.

Fingers crossed ...

We keep being told that the survival rate 99.5% or something but then we see about 45,000 deaths since March ...


Even the experts don’t seem to know very much about the virus .. they all say ‘it should be ‘ or ‘we think’ or ‘possibly maybe’


I think the worst thing about all this ( apart from the risk of dying ) is all the flamin’ uncertainty tbh


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[Crimson Dynamo]

That’s not too bad I suppose not great though if he’s a smoker as you mentioned.

Fingers crossed ...

We keep being told that the survival rate 99.5% or something but then we see about 45,000 deaths since March ...


Even the experts don’t seem to know very much about the virus .. they all say ‘it should be ‘ or ‘we think’ or ‘possibly maybe’


I think the worst thing about all this ( apart from the risk of dying ) is all the flamin’ uncertainty tbh


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I have already said can I have his golf clubs if things go tits up

[Zizu]

I have already said can I have his golf clubs if things go tits up



Win win situation then :)

Hopefully he’ll be just fine ..


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[arista]

Another Covid Scottish Scandal
82% were not tested at Hospital
before entering a Care Home.

Scotland as bad as England.
Fact.

Ref: Ch5HDnews

[AnnieK]

My cousin, her husband and 2 kids have all tested positive. My friend's husband has tested positive...I never knew anyone who had actually had it until last week, now everyone is dropping like flies with it. When furlough ends next week and everyone is back in offices etc I expect it to be even worse.

[bots]

My cousin, her husband and 2 kids have all tested positive. My friend's husband has tested positive...I never knew anyone who had actually had it until last week, now everyone is dropping like flies with it. When furlough ends next week and everyone is back in offices etc I expect it to be even worse.

Are they all in Manchester Annie?

The daily figures don't make good reading at the moment. I'm sure i'm not alone in hoping they can be reduced with all the tier 3 restrictions in place now

[arista]

From Monday
the Whole of Germany goes into a Lockdown

Ref : Live Germany
just on BBCnewsHD

[Vanessa]

My cousin, her husband and 2 kids have all tested positive. My friend's husband has tested positive...I never knew anyone who had actually had it until last week, now everyone is dropping like flies with it. When furlough ends next week and everyone is back in offices etc I expect it to be even worse.

Hope they get better.
I think I've had it as well this winter and j didn't even know it.
My cough was really bad

[AnnieK]

Are they all in Manchester Annie?

The daily figures don't make good reading at the moment. I'm sure i'm not alone in hoping they can be reduced with all the tier 3 restrictions in place now

Yep sadly. I know of a few more friends of friends who have it up here at the moment too. We have been in effect under tier 2 since august and now tier 3 and the numbers are still rising. We will have our own herd immunity here if it keeps going like this :worry:

[bots]

An apparent loophole in government rules has caused confusion over whether social clubs are subject to tier three Covid restrictions on serving alcohol.

In areas placed in tier three, pubs and bars must close unless they are serving substantial meals.

But some social clubs are continuing to serve alcohol to members without a substantial meal after their local councils told them it was permitted.

The Department for Health and Social Care has been contacted for comment.

There are thousands of members clubs across England, including conservative clubs, working men's clubs and sports clubs.

Councils in Wirral, Preston and Fylde have all advised their local social clubs that the discrepancy exists because they hold club premises certificates and not premises licences.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54718001

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crazy

[bots]

Yep sadly. I know of a few more friends of friends who have it up here at the moment too. We have been in effect under tier 2 since august and now tier 3 and the numbers are still rising. We will have our own herd immunity here if it keeps going like this :worry:

just thinking back to march and im sure it took about 6 weeks before things started going down. With this being in concentrated areas it should be a bit quicker but a month is probably the quickest it could be

[Josy]

My cousin, her husband and 2 kids have all tested positive. My friend's husband has tested positive...I never knew anyone who had actually had it until last week, now everyone is dropping like flies with it. When furlough ends next week and everyone is back in offices etc I expect it to be even worse.Hope they are all ok Annie

[joeysteele]

My cousin, her husband and 2 kids have all tested positive. My friend's husband has tested positive...I never knew anyone who had actually had it until last week, now everyone is dropping like flies with it. When furlough ends next week and everyone is back in offices etc I expect it to be even worse.


I do really hope they're okay Annie.
My thoughts and wishes for the best of outcomes to you for them all.

Thinking of you.

[Vanessa]

Ita getting worse everywhere. The winter is going to be really hard.

[user104658]

and my old mum is in hosp till friday with her legs so that is also a big worryIt would be more worrying if she was there without her legs, surely.

(Being more serious though I'm sure it will be fine, they're generally quite good at keeping the Covid and non-Covid patients and staff well separated)

[Scarlett.]

and my old mum is in hosp till friday with her legs so that is also a big worry

Hope that she will be okay :)

[user104658]

We keep being told that the survival rate 99.5% or something but then we see about 45,000 deaths since March ...


Even the experts don’t seem to know very much about the virus .. they all say ‘it should be ‘ or ‘we think’ or ‘possibly maybe’


I think the worst thing about all this ( apart from the risk of dying ) is all the flamin’ uncertainty tbh


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The data for the IFR is pretty robust and has been holding steady in the 0.5 - 1% range since before the summer. 0.5% is a low end estimate though - around 0.8% (so 99.2% survival rate) is far more likely.

45000 deaths at an 0.8% fatality rate = around 5 and a half million cases overall in the UK since the start of the pandemic, which sounds quite realistic.

Worth noting though that it's less than 10% of the total population so if the virus WAS to make its way through the entire population, you're looking at nearly 500,000 total deaths in the UK.

[Vanessa]

I'm watching a programme about the Tower reopening after lockdown.
One of my favourite places in London.

[arista]

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[Josy]

and my old mum is in hosp till friday with her legs so that is also a big worryHope shes ok

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hope shes ok

Thank you Josy. So far so good

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Not a national lockdown

Poor reports

[arista]

Coronavirus: France and Germany have announced
second national lockdowns


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-germany-to-enter-four-week-lockdown-from-november-chancellor-merkel-confirms-12117056

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elc8mgKWoAAUfuW?format=jpg&name=medium

[bots]

Some cheery news first thing in the morning.....

Nearly 100,000 people are catching coronavirus every day in England, a major analysis suggests.

The study, by Imperial College London, says the pace of the epidemic is accelerating and estimates the number of people infected is now doubling every nine days.

The authors say we are at a "critical stage" and "something has to change".

France and Germany have turned to forms of lockdown to control the virus.

The government here is sticking to its regional strategy.

Experts are warning that we are fast approaching the peak in infections seen in the spring.

The React-1 study is highly influential because it is the most up-to-date assessment of Covid-19 in the country, with the last swabs taken only on Sunday and nearly 86,000 volunteers taking part.

It shows cases are rising in every age group and in every region of England.

While cases are currently highest in the North, infections are surging more rapidly in the South.

The study compared the latest swabs collected between 16 and 25 October with the last round of swabs, between 18 September and 5 October.

It suggests:

The number of people infected has more than doubled since the last round, with one in every 78 people now testing positive.

The hardest hit area is Yorkshire and the Humber, where one every 37 people has the virus, followed by the North West region.

Three times as many people aged 55-64 are infected and twice as many over 65s.

The pace of the epidemic has accelerated with the R number - the number of people each infected person passes the virus on to on average - increasing from 1.15 to 1.56.

Overall, the number of people infected is doubling every nine days.

The South East, South West, east of England and London all have an R above 2.0. London has an estimated R of 2.86.

Cases are spiking in young people in the South West in a repeat of the pattern seen in northern England just over a month ago.

96,000 people are now catching the virus every day.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

So it looks like areas that had low infection rates are starting to catch up

[Ammi]

...I think that Spain might be going to go into full lockdown again...

[arista]

...I think that Spain might be going to go into full lockdown again...


Yes since Germany and France said they are going into Lockdown
Spain can join them
The Covid-19 Virus is still spreading too fast.

[bots]

France and Germany are not going into lockdowns like we did in March. Schools etc remain open

[Cherie]

The region of Andalucia is not allowing travel in or out from today

[Cherie]

France and Germany are not going into lockdowns like we did in March. Schools etc remain open

yes its being mis reported it is not full lockdown

Bars and pubs will shut
Restaurants to close except for takeaways
Gyms, cinemas and theatres to shut
Indoor gatherings banned for more than 10 people and between more than two households
Hotels to close to tourists - staying open only for "essential reasons"
Shops to stay open but with a maximum of one person per 10 square metres

[user104658]

France and Germany are not going into lockdowns like we did in March. Schools etc remain open

yes its being mis reported it is not full lockdown

Bars and pubs will shut
Restaurants to close except for takeaways
Gyms, cinemas and theatres to shut
Indoor gatherings banned for more than 10 people and between more than two households
Hotels to close to tourists - staying open only for "essential reasons"
Shops to stay open but with a maximum of one person per 10 square metres

Indeed - it's basically Scotlands "Level 4" but country-wide rather than regional.

[Cherie]

Indeed - it's basically Scotlands "Level 4" but country-wide rather than regional.

Yes I am hearing it reported on the news that France and Germany are going into National lockdowns, so disingenous

[bots]

Yes I am hearing it reported on the news that France and Germany are going into National lockdowns, so disingenous

it's obvious they are trying to make people think ... they are in full lockdown we should be too... i never had a high opinion of the media before, but their handling of covid this year has been shocking

[Nicky91]

Germany it isn't really bad nationwide, but to prevent it going extremely worse they go in lockdown now after a long meeting of Merkel and all regional leaders

so this means every store apart from supermarket closed, no pubs, bars, restaurants for entire month of November at least, schools and day care remain open but with mask requirement rule

also further more in german hospitals (i've seen on stern tv one chief doctor of a 24 hours clinic in Essen, it is loads of hard work, now only the serious cases and in risk group remain in the clinic, anyone who can isolate at home will be moved safely in isolation towards their homes where they can stay and isolate for the required 10-14 days, this is how you also can prevent hospitals, clinics becoming too overcrowded)

[Nicky91]

also over there for public transport just essential travel only

no tourism anymore either, so hotels, bed and breakfasts, campings are closed for time being

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: if things do not improve here, we might go into a full lockdown either, our PM Rutte had said

but they tend to first wait if the effects of our current measures will be seen bit later on

[arista]

Oxford City and Luton
are to move from Tier 1 to Tier 2

[bots]

we will have passed 1 million infections in 2 or 3 days time, it's currently 965,340

[Ammi]

COVID vaccine in 'last mile' of development and 'could be rolled out before Christmas'...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-ready-christmas-085349794.html

[Kizzy]

That's all we all want for crimbo tbh

[Vanessa]

That's great news!

[Zizu]

It may only give 8 to 12 weeks cover if you can get it a second time soon after the first .

We can but hope though


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[bots]

tf there is a vaccine available before christmas it wont be available to the masses, i will believe it when i see it

[Vanessa]

It will go to the people most at risk first.
Like NHS and care home staff, older people and those with an underlying illness.
I have chronic kidney disease, so i will probably get it.

[arista]

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Poxy Covid-19

Making Pizza Express
cut large amount of good workers

[bots]

Cyprus and Lithuania have been removed from England's travel corridor list, the Department for Transport has announced.

That means, from this Sunday, people arriving from those countries will have to self-isolate for two weeks.

The decision comes after a rise in coronavirus cases in both countries.

Lithuania's seven-day rate of cases per 100,000 people has reached 140, while Cyprus is on 112.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps added: "We are not adding any countries to the list of travel corridoors this week."

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it's spiking everywhere

[Beso]

If the coronavirus spreads the most when a lot of people are confined in a small place for a long time..


Is it time to split up 3 generation families living in the same household?

[Zizu]

If the coronavirus spreads the most when a lot of people are confined in a small place for a long time..


Is it time to split up 3 generation families living in the same household?



... and still keep the schools and universities open ?


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[arista]

Today 280 have died

23,065 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
10,308


45,955 Total Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

Today 280 have died

23,065 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
10,308


45,955 Total Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

It's getting worse!

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Oxford, Luton and parts of
Yorkshire and Midlands to go into Tier 2
From Saturday, residents must not meet socially
indoors with anyone they do not live with
or are in a support bubble with.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-luton-oxford-city-and-parts-of-yorkshire-and-midlands-to-go-into-tier-2-12117959

[arista]

It's getting worse!

Sadly yes

[Vanessa]

We'll all be on tier three soon, if things carry on like this :shocked:

[Beso]

... and still keep the schools and universities open ?


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Yeah..if we can house the elderly safely until it's over.

[bots]

Yeah..if we can house the elderly safely until it's over.

and how would we house all these people in an isolated setting, and who would pay for it

[Kizzy]

1321850256011788288

Poxy Covid-19

Making Pizza Express
cut large amount of good workers

To be fair I think that chain was floundering before covid.

[user104658]

tf there is a vaccine available before christmas it wont be available to the masses, i will believe it when i see itThey haven't even been able to get this year's flu vax rolled out properly to the masses because of unprecedented demand and logistical limitations... People waiting 6+ hours for a drive-thru jab etc.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EliRZbSXUAIxdON?format=jpg&name=medium