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Coronavirus: 'Major breakthrough'
as UK scientists find £5 steroid cuts COVID-19 deaths
The drug, dexamethasone,
reduced death rates by a third for patients
on ventilators, and by a fifth for
patients needing oxygen.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-12007880


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[Vanessa]

Coronavirus: 'Major breakthrough'
as UK scientists find £5 steroid cuts COVID-19 deaths
The drug, dexamethasone,
reduced death rates by a third for patients
on ventilators, and by a fifth for
patients needing oxygen.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-12007880


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This is amazing. Major breakthrough!

[Zizu]

oh well, you can't help some folk, you gotta take your own precautions, I am sure the media will find someway to blame it on primary school bubbles with 6 kids though!



That’s the real problem though .. more kids returning to school , more folk returning to work , more shoppers plus protests / violent confrontations , raves , family days out etc etc


Now if the R rate goes through the roof they won’t have any clue what caused it .




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[Zizu]

Scientists in the UK have discovered a cheap and available treatment for COVID-19 patients.

They have described the use of common steroid drug dexamethasone as a "major breakthrough".

The drug reduced death rates by a third for patients on ventilators, and by a fifth for patients needing oxygen.



They just said it will save 1 person in every 8 treated with it so that’s 12.5% by my reckoning .... I was kinda hoping for it to be 7 out of 8 given all the fuss it’s caused ..


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[Cherie]

They just said it will save 1 person in every 8 treated with it so that’s 12.5% by my reckoning .... I was kinda hoping for it to be 7 out of 8 given all the fuss it’s caused ..


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35% of ventilated patients (over a third)

and 20% of those on Oxegen (1 in 5)

and its likely they can build on this drug by combining it with others

It is thought the drug could have saved between 4,000 to 5,000 lives if it had been used earlier in the pandemic.


its a good start, if it was 7/8 it would be nothing short of a miracle lol

[Cherie]

Sam Coates made a bit of a tit of himself saying the UK had banned the export of the drug, when it is made in Thailand, India and is available worldwide as its been used for the last 60 years :laugh:

[Cherie]

That’s the real problem though .. more kids returning to school , more folk returning to work , more shoppers plus protests / violent confrontations , raves , family days out etc etc


Now if the R rate goes through the roof they won’t have any clue what caused it .




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I did chuckle at Bojo thanking the public for social distancing...'well some of them'

[bots]

i always thought effective treatment was a much more realistic proposition than a vaccine. This is very early in the discovery phase of treatment option too, it will only get better from here. Let's hope it even better come winter time

[Beso]

I'm sure someone mentioned steroids right at the start of this.

[Zizu]

Sam Coates made a bit of a tit of himself saying the UK had banned the export of the drug, when it is made in Thailand, India and is available worldwide as its been used for the last 60 years :laugh:



Can’t abide Sam or Beth tbh
They’re both so smug . You just know that they’re best mates at work :)
I cringe each day when they before the briefing they tell us what is going to be said in the briefing then afterwards they give us their take on what was actually said ..

I’m sure they’re bruv and sis :)


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[arista]

China has 106 infected Covid-19 cases

BBCnewsHD

[Marsh.]

I'm sure someone mentioned steroids right at the start of this.

Steroids have been used for a long time to treat breathing problems. In that sense it's not a major breakthrough.

[bots]

Greece has seen relatively few cases of coronavirus. According to Johns Hopkins University data, it has recorded 3,148 confirmed infections and 185 deaths, and the government has already allowed businesses to reopen and travel to restart across the country.

As of Monday, authorities have also allowed brothels to reopen - albeit under strict new guidelines.

Visits are limited to 15 minutes per customer, with masks recommended for workers and clients.

Doors and windows should be kept open to allow fresh air in, payment should only be by card and not by cash, and businesses should keep a list of clients - along with their names and phone numbers - in a sealed envelope for four weeks, in case authorities need to trace infections.

Other countries are considering allowing sex work again. The Dutch government plans to reopen brothels on 1 September, although there are calls for this to happen sooner.

[The Slim Reaper]

But do I have to stay there for the other 14 minutes, or can I leave when I've finished? :smug:

[Cherie]

But do I have to stay there for the other 14 minutes, or can I leave when I've finished? :smug:

14.5 surely?

[The Slim Reaper]

14.5 surely?

Have to undress, clean up, then dress again, too.

[arista]

PM is live PMQ's
all media


The Labour Leader
is going on about a report on Poverty

The PM shouted back it's an Anticipated Report


The PM demands the Labour Leader
says Schools are safe?
The PM also stated Labour area Schools
are closed.


The SNP leader asked for £20 a week
for the poor.
The PM said he is funding them?
But did not say how

[arista]

They are saying its Oliver Dowden MP
[HM Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport]
alone on the Briefing at 5PM

[arista]

He is live now

184 deaths


UK total Covid-19 :42,153

[Scarlett.]

Thankfully the virus is starting to look like it is on a slow downward trend now

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Zizu]

Thankfully the virus is starting to look like it is on a slow downward trend now



Yes it does ‘look’ promising..

I’ll be happier if we’re still seeing these rates dropping in a couple of weeks though ( after the protests / raves/ more school children returning and people returning to work )


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[Niamh.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EatYyD0XQAAhSIp?format=jpg&name=largeThat's absolutely dispecable

[arista]

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Macron on his way to visit Johnson PM
so Churchill out of his box...........

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[arista]

In NZ
the 2 New Zealanders that returned home from the UK
and got Covid-19 started up again.
They were released early ,to see an ill relative.

Now 320 people are being tracked


In China Beijing
it reported to have started at a Food Market?
Nothing learnt.
Flights halted to that City.


Ref: Update on NewsnightHD BBC2

[Cherie]

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Surprised this hasn’t made the mainstream media yet?

[Cherie]

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You couldn’t make this shiz up could you...haven’t most Labour councils refused to back sending the school years back that can go back, and unions have blocked as well

[arista]

You couldn’t make this shiz up could you...haven’t most Labour councils refused to back send the school years back that can go back

Yes that is the problem
The Unions are against kids returning to school.

Yesterday at PMQ's Labour leader
refused to answer the PM
on "schools are safe"

[arista]

Germany in a Panic
Slaughter houses Suspended
7,000 in an area near one Slaughter house
into quarantine

In these
Food factory's its full of migrant workers
that live in small flats together.

China's Covid-19 loves these areas

Reported on CNN HD

[arista]

Now Johnson PM
is considering to cancel
Monday and Fridays 5PM briefings.

Ref: LBC Political Reporter AM

[Ammi]

...the Unions are not against any children returning to school, Arista...not one little bit...they would love for that to happen, for all children to be safe and happy in their school...one size does not fit all with schools though and all schools have to be risk assessed ..(..almost daily..)..so if a school doesn’t feel it is safe to open, then they won’t...and no one would expect them to or want them to...of the schools that are open..(...which there are many..)..they’re open at their own pace and to to their own specific risk assessments... and keeping as much safety distancing as possible, rather than following specific directives from that Johnson person....

[arista]

...the Unions are not against any children returning to school, Arista...not one little bit...they would love for that to happen, for all children to be safe and happy in their school...one size does not fit all with schools though and all schools have to be risk assessed ..(..almost daily..)..so if a school doesn’t feel it is safe to open, then they won’t...and no one would expect them to or want them to...of the schools that are open..(...which there are many..)..they’re open at their own pace and to their own specific risk assessments... and keeping as much safety distancing as possible, rather than following specific directives from that Johnson person....

Yes but some are stopping kids return
they say using Empty Church halls
can help spread them out etc
Tomorrow we hear from the Education secretary

Also, some Unions are refusing to talk to the Government?

[Zizu]

Yes but some are stopping kids return

they say using Empty Church halls

can help spread them out etc

Tomorrow we hear from the Education secretary



Also, some Unions are refusing to talk to the Government?



I don’t see how schools can start over-flow classes in ‘empty church halls’ or “leisure centres” for example .

The first snag will be staffing.. many schools are /were understaffed before the virus hit town and the situation is now worse .

The main flaw with this idea is a simple maths one . The existing teachers are now in charge of limited number ‘bubbles’ of 15 or under ( including staff) .. so we’re talking of at least twice as many groups of children who will need teachers !!

There is also the serious issue of the safeguarding of the children in any splinter groups not being covered in schools - every person working in or visiting the building with the ‘temp’ classroom will have to be vetted or already have clearance with a DBS certificate


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes kids can go on marches and to raves but the vile unions say no when risks are so small

Bamboozling

[arista]

[I don’t see how schools can start over-flow classes in ‘empty church halls’ or “leisure centres” for example .
The first snag will be staffing.. many schools are /were understaffed before the virus hit town and the situation is now worse .]

Of course The Union wants extra workers.............

[Zizu]

Yes kids can go on marches and to raves but the vile unions say no when risks are so small

Bamboozling



It’s mainly Labour council schools who are against returning though .. apparently


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[arista]

Yes kids can go on marches and to raves but the vile unions say no when risks are so small

Bamboozling



Yes they have been doing just that


Live Debate LBC Now

[Zizu]

[I don’t see how schools can start over-flow classes in ‘empty church halls’ or “leisure centres” for example .
The first snag will be staffing.. many schools are /were understaffed before the virus hit town and the situation is now worse .]

Of course The Union wants extra workers.............



It’s simple logistics.

Each class of 30 split into two will need an extra teacher and an extra classroom


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[arista]

[Coronavirus: China fears new COVID-19 ripple will lead to second wave
China's Communist Party has trumpeted
its success in fighting the virus,
especially compared to some Western countries.]

latest cluster to 158.
And they are not confined just to Beijing - cases have
been recorded in provinces across China.
The first question is how this happened.
Life in China had been getting back to normal,
with people going back to work
and restaurants reopening.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-china-fears-new-covid-19-ripple-will-lead-to-second-wave-12009330

[Cherie]

It’s simple logistics.

Each class of 30 split into two will need an extra teacher and an extra classroom


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Could they not start with half in on a weekly rota, the half at home could either have set work or where possible log in so they attend the classroom virtually?

[bots]

there are lots of workarounds that schools could implement to start getting kids back to school. They want to find problems, not solutions, thats where the issue is at the moment

[Liam-]

I was having a look around Union Jack/right wing Twitter this morning, because I hate myself, did you know there are a scary amount of people who believe all of this was a hoax just to get people to take a vaccine that will actually infect and kill people? It’s like a whole other planet :omgno:

[arista]

I was having a look around Union Jack/right wing Twitter this morning, because I hate myself, did you know there are a scary amount of people who believe all of this was a hoax just to get people to take a vaccine that will actually infect and kill people? It’s like a whole other planet :omgno:


Yes also on Facebook.

[Ammi]

there are lots of workarounds that schools could implement to start getting kids back to school. They want to find problems, not solutions, thats where the issue is at the moment

..it’s not though where any ‘issue’ is at, that’s not something I’ve found in any school I know...schools are looking for solutions so that they can open...but it still remains that there are some ‘problems’ and those problems won’t be the same for every school ...so each one is risk assessing and each one will ‘open’ in a different way and at the pace they feel is safe to do so...not all schools are the same in terms of their premises and staff and families etc so it’s not something that we be allowed size fits all’...it’s extremely unfair to say that schools are looking for problems rather than solutions because that’s very much the opposite for the main...

[Ammi]

I was having a look around Union Jack/right wing Twitter this morning, because I hate myself, did you know there are a scary amount of people who believe all of this was a hoax just to get people to take a vaccine that will actually infect and kill people? It’s like a whole other planet :omgno:

...you looney...put your device down and start your day all over again on the right side of the internet...(...you know what I mean...:laugh:..)...

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Bank of England expands
crisis QE (Quantitative Easing)programme to £300bn
Minutes of the meeting showed there
was dissent in the ranks as the Bank committee
voted to increase its QE target.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-bank-of-england-expands-crisis-qe-programme-to-300bn-12009510

[The Slim Reaper]

Magic money tree?

[Cherie]

Magic money tree?

Give it a shake

[arista]

Magic money tree?


QE
Print the Cash Method.


Used back in the New Labour
Gordon Brown Failed PM time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing

[user104658]

Could they not start with half in on a weekly rota, the half at home could either have set work or where possible log in so they attend the classroom virtually?From what we've been told, when my daughter's school goes back it will be half in Monday/Tuesday, half in Wednesday/Thursday with work set to complete at home for days they aren't in. No one in on a Friday.

My youngest, because she's special education, it works slightly differently. Still only in two days a week so fewer in her class at one time, but they're not expected to social distance, it'll be small "pods" of staff and students (her whole class is only 8 kids, so will be only 4 in a group) and if one person is ill then the whole "pod" stays home for two weeks (or until a test confirms it isn't Covid).

Its far from ideal but its better than the current situation where frankly some kids (and its the most vulnerable kids, who are already behind) simply aren't doing any school work at all.

[arista]

Cruise Ships and Ferry's
are getting ready for half the amount on the ship
with a mask on,
Except in the Spread out eating rooms.

They must start trading by next week
they say.

Ref: BBCnewsHD report



They are waiting for Johnson PM
to give them a direction.

[user104658]

No its
QE
Print the Cash Method.


Used back in the New Labour
Gordon Brown Failed PM time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing"Print more cash method" is another way of saying magic money free :joker:.

The real drawbacks to QE is that it's a slight gamble as it can can lead to an accidental interest rate spike if not controlled properly. It also devalues the currency internationally which would normally mean increased cost of imported goods and products, but that's less of a risk in this case because the EU and US are likely to be engaging in similar QE policies so the devaluation will be in step with our biggest trading partners. It might mean that imports from Asia cost more which will have a knock on effect on things like consumer electronics, cars etc (anything that has components made in Asia basically). But then, China has a history of deliberately keeping its currency artificially low to dominate the exports markets so...

[user104658]

Cruise Ships and Ferry's
are getting ready for half the amount on the ship
with a mask on,
Except in the Spread out eating rooms.

They must start trading be next week
they say.

Ref: BBCnewsHD report



They are waiting for Johnson PM
to give them a direction.Heh, who's going to go on a cruise where they have to wear a mask the whole time? It'll only work if they're cut-price cruises... And cut-price cruises at half capacity are not going to keep companies afloat for long.

[arista]

Heh, who's going to go on a cruise where they have to wear a mask the whole time? It'll only work if they're cut-price cruises... And cut-price cruises at half capacity are not going to keep companies afloat for long.

No mask in the big eating places
everyone is spread out.
As it half the amount on every ship


Yes it will be hard with fewer customers
maybe a slight price increase could be added.

[arista]

"The real drawbacks to QE is that it's a slight gamble"


Of course, but there is little else they can do.

[Zizu]

Cruise Ships and ferries must start trading by next week they say.

They are waiting for Johnson PM
to give them a direction.


Just head for France ...



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[arista]

Just head for France ...



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For those with Cars
they are in safe zone when they drive off.

[bots]

I was having a look around Union Jack/right wing Twitter this morning, because I hate myself, did you know there are a scary amount of people who believe all of this was a hoax just to get people to take a vaccine that will actually infect and kill people? It’s like a whole other planet :omgno:

it's kind of half right though :laugh:

Of course it's not a hoax, but if we do get a vaccine available within the next year, it will have been created by cutting a lot of corners, i don't think I would trust it, and with these things the side effects may not become apparent for 5-10 years, and, if they have just dosed most of the world population with it, i can't see them being to quick to admit there was a problem with it :laugh:

[user104658]

it's kind of half right though [emoji23]



Of course it's not a hoax, but if we do get a vaccine available within the next year, it will have been created by cutting a lot of corners, i don't think I would trust it, and with these things the side effects may not become apparent for 5-10 years, and, if they have just dosed most of the world population with it, i can't see them being to quick to admit there was a problem with it [emoji23]You can't have a rational debate about vaccination on the Internet these days; either they are a flawless and risk-free path to guaranteed immunity, or you're branded an anti-vax nutter :joker:.

[arista]

5PM Live Daily Briefing
Matt Hancock and an adviser

[arista]

Live Now

with the Executive of Track and Trace

[The Slim Reaper]

Live Now

with the Executive of Track and Trace

Track and trace has been cancelled.

[arista]

42,288 UK Total of Covid-19 Deaths

135 deaths

[arista]

Track and trace has been cancelled.

The lady in charge is there with Hancock

It's been Delayed
not cancelled

[joeysteele]

Honestly, I rated Hancock as a possible Conservative leader years ago.
However, he is to me anyway, a walking disaster all through on this pandemic.

[Cherie]

No excess deaths, levels normal for the time of year

[The Slim Reaper]

Honestly, I rated Hancock as a possible Conservative leader years ago.
However, he is to me anyway, a walking disaster all through on this pandemic.

They sacrificed party competence, for loyalty to johnson and brexit in last years purge.

[Cherie]

From what we've been told, when my daughter's school goes back it will be half in Monday/Tuesday, half in Wednesday/Thursday with work set to complete at home for days they aren't in. No one in on a Friday.

My youngest, because she's special education, it works slightly differently. Still only in two days a week so fewer in her class at one time, but they're not expected to social distance, it'll be small "pods" of staff and students (her whole class is only 8 kids, so will be only 4 in a group) and if one person is ill then the whole "pod" stays home for two weeks (or until a test confirms it isn't Covid).

Its far from ideal but its better than the current situation where frankly some kids (and its the most vulnerable kids, who are already behind) simply aren't doing any school work at all.

It's a generation brought up on tech so they should have no issues with being in a virtual classroom :shrug:

meanwhile I have to grapple with Teams and Zoom to for my work :oh: and have to put my face on when normally I wouldn't bother :nono:

[Zizu]

The lady in charge is there with Hancock

It's been Delayed
not cancelled



Haven’t they binned their own app plus data and now switching to the proven Apple & Google app system like all the other countries ??



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[Cherie]

Haven’t they binned their own app plus data and now switching to the proven Apple & Google app system like all the other countries ??



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No they are merging the two apparently :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

Haven’t they binned their own app plus data and now switching to the proven Apple & Google app system like all the other countries ??



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£120m down the drain, but they had to be shamed into feeding kids.

[joeysteele]

They sacrificed party competence, for loyalty to johnson and brexit in last years purge.

It really annoys me when they try to spin a positive on yet more deaths, another 135 to to this virus in 24 hours.

Of the ones they actually tell us.

Every one of them, leave possibly, children, grandchildren, brothers, sisters, other family, friends and neighbours.
Left grieving because of this virus, of the loss of their loved ones before their time.

Around 100+ on average still dying.
They are real people losing their lives.

It's just been said on the news, one of today's deaths is a baby too.

I don't get where anything positive can be found in this.
Things are getting better it seems because they are getting worse by the day, much more slowly.

Unbelievable to me, sorry.

[bots]

if they had rushed to release the app and it had security issues and/or data privacy issues there would have been hell to pay. Apps take time to develop, i would rather they got it right than rush something out to meet a deadline that is meaningless anyway. Track and trace is just not worth it until we have under 1000 infected.

[Cherie]

No excess deaths for this week in a normal June Zizu

Are you happy?

[The Slim Reaper]

if they had rushed to release the app and it had security issues and/or data privacy issues there would have been hell to pay. Apps take time to develop, i would rather they got it right than rush something out to meet a deadline that is meaningless anyway. Track and trace is just not worth it until we have under 1000 infected.

That's exactly what they did though. They released it when it wasn't ready because Johnson said it was ready, so rather than admit to a mistake, they made another mistake.

The security issues will always be there because of who they gave the contract to.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Cherie]

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:joker:

[Oliver_W]

I got a letter today, I've been randomly selected to take part in a Covid test :D

[bots]

That's exactly what they did though. They released it when it wasn't ready because Johnson said it was ready, so rather than admit to a mistake, they made another mistake.

The security issues will always be there because of who they gave the contract to.

I said before the virus hit the UK properly that I couldn't imagine a more incompetent minister in charge than Hancock. Completely untrustworthy

[Samm]

Hancock has to resign surely in a couple of months when the pandemic stage has passed.

[Zizu]

It really annoys me when they try to spin a positive on yet more deaths, another 135 to to this virus in 24 hours.



Of the ones they actually tell us.



Every one of them, leave possibly, children, grandchildren, brothers, sisters, other family, friends and neighbours.

Left grieving because of this virus, of the loss of their loved ones before their time.



Around 100+ on average still dying.

They are real people losing their lives.



It's just been said on the news, one of today's deaths is a baby too.



I don't get where anything positive can be found in this.

Things are getting better it seems because they are getting worse by the day, much more slowly.



Unbelievable to me, sorry.



So many people seem happy with ‘just’ a few hundred deaths each and every yet that’s the equivalent of a couple of huge jet-liner full off passengers going down EACH day !


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[Zizu]

No excess deaths for this week in a normal June Zizu



Are you happy?



Well yes ... if we’re being told the truth about the numbers .. I’ve never trusted politicians so politicians with stats is a no-no for me .. you can make stats sing and dance to any tune you want..

As I’ve said before ... if things haven’t gone tats-up in a a couple of weeks I’ll be much happier .


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[joeysteele]

So many people seem happy with ‘just’ a few hundred deaths each and every yet that’s the equivalent of a couple of huge jet-liner full off passengers going down EACH day !


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I agree.

I find it really concerning.

[Zizu]

I agree.



I find it really concerning.



Nearly as concerning as hearing of the poor 13 DAY old baby who’s died of Covid19 today ... no underlying health problems !!


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[joeysteele]

Nearly as concerning as hearing of the poor 13 DAY old baby who’s died of Covid19 today ... no underlying health problems !!


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Indeed, strong points there
The death of any 13 day year old child is tragic.
I find it equally concerning that a 13 day old child has died of this virus along with those other deaths of people too.

They are people, it seems a colder attitude is creeping in as to the deaths now.
Because the deaths are around 100+ a day.

I guess we need to see if there was any other reasons this baby's life was lost too.
The news was the baby had no other health conditions and was positive for this virus.

So no doubt it looks the major reason the baby's life was lost.
Massively concerning it is and a tragedy too.

[Samm]

Daily Mail and The Times ripping into the tories on the papers. Just less then a year after they advocated the public to vote for them. Astonishing

[arista]

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Criminals after money?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-46096768

[arista]

Daily Mail and The Times ripping into the tories on the papers. Just less then a year after they advocated the public to vote for them. Astonishing

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Dom Raab MP said on Talk Radio spoke of
Games Of Thrones brought the take
a knee "seems to be taken" from TV drama

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BBC text
[And a graphic on the front of the Financial Times
shows the plummeting shares of
German payments company Wirecard,
after its auditor warned that €1.9bn (£1.7bn) was
"missing from its accounts".
The paper says the fintech group - once seen
as "the star of the German tech sector" - has spent
the past year and a half "battling to allay
concerns over its accounting practices".]

[arista]

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The Telegraph
More Money for Schools during this Covid-19 attack

Today the Eduction Secretary talks

[Zizu]

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Dom Raab MP said on Talk Radio spoke of
Games Of Thrones brought the take
a knee "seems to be taken" from TV drama



Interesting given I got snapped at in here for wondering how many people understood the real meaning of the ‘kneeling’ ..




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[bots]

Raab was trying to be a smart Alec and failed miserably. I get what he means though, kneeling is a form of subjugation and for me personally seems at odds when the aim is for equality

[smudgie]

Raab was trying to be a smart Alec and failed miserably. I get what he means though, kneeling is a form of subjugation and for me personally seems at odds when the aim is for equality

He was pathetic.
Kneeling is two knees.
Taking the knee is only one, most of us know the ruddy difference.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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[Oliver_W]

Daily Mail and The Times ripping into the tories on the papers. Just less then a year after they advocated the public to vote for them. Astonishing

People can hold more than one thought in their heads at a time. They can have a preferred political party and also think said party is handling a crisis badly :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

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:joker:

The #TakeTheKnee thing is fecking stupid, but it's even stupider for someone in the public eye to openly admit that.

[bots]

The UK Covid-19 Alert level has moved down from four to three, BBC home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford reports.

Level four represents a high or rising level of transmission, while level three means the virus is in general circulation.

[MTVN]

The Bromance we need to get things moving again

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[joeysteele]

This is a little behind the times as the rhetoric has been we're there already.

I'm not a public health expert or scientist.
However with the R rate still between 0.7 to 0.9 and believed over 1 in some areas.

Still with over 4,000 new cases daily.
Still around 100 to 100+ deaths daily.

The cynic in me has me thinking this is only to justify reducing the social distance level to around 1 metre.

I've done my utmost to keep nearer 3m away from others. I'll continue to do so until we've next to NO new cases and preferably no more deaths.

It's not just my health and maybe life I'm risking if I get this.
However also those more vulnerable of my loved ones.

Also I'll be more confident, when and IF ever we get the numbers of actual people being tested, not just the number of tests done.
Where 2 tests on the same person, are recorded as 2 tests rather than only the 1.

[Zizu]

This is a little behind the times as the rhetoric has been we're there already.

I'm not a public health expert or scientist.
However with the R rate still between 0.7 to 0.9 and believed over 1 in some areas.

Still with over 4,000 new cases daily.
Still around 100 to 100+ deaths daily.

The cynic in me has me thinking this is only to justify reducing the social distance level to around 1 metre.

I've done my utmost to keep nearer 3m away from others. I'll continue to do so until we've next to NO new cases and preferably no more deaths.

It's not just my health and maybe life I'm risking if I get this.
However also those more vulnerable of my loved ones.

Also I'll be more confident, when and IF ever we get the numbers of actual people being tested, not just the number of tests done.
Where 2 tests on the same person, are recorded as 2 tests rather than only the 1.



I’ve kinda lost all faith in the government to be honest .. at the start of all this they seemed to have achieved so much in such a short time but now ....
They’re making so many strange decisions and I really don’t trust a word (or stat ) they say .

I still think that Boris has a good heart .


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[Strictly Jake]

Some good news then!

[joeysteele]

I’ve kinda lost all faith in the government to be honest .. at the start of all this they seemed to have achieved so much in such a short time but now ....
They’re making so many strange decisions and I really don’t trust a word (or stat ) they say .

I still think that Boris has a good heart .


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For me only Rishi Sunak has shone.
Hancock cannot be believed on anything.
Nor any other Minister.

Sadly I think Sunak is likely soon to be forced to take a harder line soon too.

They may as well now stop the press conferences as all we get are doctored statistics and deceit there now.

[bots]

Apart from the first 2 weeks, the press conferences have only been a means of pushing an agenda from one side or another. I stopped watching them a long time ago

We need to get the country moving again or there will be many more deaths as the country goes bankrupt and people are out of work with no money to provide them with assistance. That's the reality, it's not pleasant, but it's the truth

[arista]

5PM its the Education Secretary doing the briefing


173 Deaths


42,461 Total UK deaths

[joeysteele]

173 deaths in 24 hours and this creep cannot even express condolences to those left bereaved.
It speaks volumes.

[Oliver_W]

173 deaths in 24 hours and this creep cannot even express condolences to those left bereaved.
It speaks volumes.

The current Cabinet is awful, don't like any of them...

edit - Rishi Sunak is okay, he'll probably be PM eventually... I can't see Boris finishing his entire term tbh

[joeysteele]

The current Cabinet is awful, don't like any of them...

edit - Rishi Sunak is okay, he'll probably be PM eventually... I can't see Boris finishing his entire term tbh

I rate Rishi Sunak.
He has listened and acted the best all through so far, on this in my opinion.

Actually, I have never been someone who likes Boris Johnson and I'm still not.
I find his support for the fiction story from his advisor annoying.

However, I personally think watching him, I don't think Boris Johnson has yet fully recovered from this virus.
I don't think he took enough time to actually.
As he did get a bad episode of it obviously.

[Oliver_W]

I rate Rishi Sunak.
He has listened and acted the best all through so far, on this in my opinion.

Actually, I have never been someone who likes Boris Johnson and I'm still not.
I find his support for the fiction story from his advisor annoying.

However, I personally think watching him, I don't think Boris Johnson has yet fully recovered from this virus.
I don't think he took enough time to actually.
As he did get a bad episode of it obviously.

I'm not overly political (my politics basically end at "whatever causes less destruction of greenery and killing animals), but I wanted a hung parliament in 2019 as I didn't like either leader. Sir Kier is great, I'd go for Labour if there was another snap. BoJo is amusing enough, and from what I've heard he was a good Mayor, but that doesn't mean he's a good PM.

I've heard some accounts that the Covid can leave permanent damage, and that it can affect more organs than respiratory ones. Whether or not that's true, I agree that he didn't take the time to properly recover, and he's paying for it.

[Cherie]

Someone hold Zizu, all kids back 5 days a week in Sept.... I guess they will split the day?

NI has reduced schools to 1 meter distance from August

[joeysteele]

I'm not overly political (my politics basically end at "whatever causes less destruction of greenery and killing animals), but I wanted a hung parliament in 2019 as I didn't like either leader. Sir Kier is great, I'd go for Labour if there was another snap. BoJo is amusing enough, and from what I've heard he was a good Mayor, but that doesn't mean he's a good PM.

I've heard some accounts that the Covid can leave permanent damage, and that it can affect more organs than respiratory ones. Whether or not that's true, I agree that he didn't take the time to properly recover, and he's paying for it.

It's a gross virus if it gets a hold of you.
I believe kidneys can suffer and the circulatory system with dangerous blood clotting too.

Interesting read your first paragraph Oliver.
I hoped for a hung parliament last time too.
Although it was clear, as I canvassed that Labour was well down in the doldrums, the Brexit confusion was really hard to get over.
Your post made really good reading.

A lot of people I came across felt only the Conservatives would really deliver it.

I don't know what the situation would be had a hung parliament happened again, with this pandemic.
I think a likely national government would have had to be in place to deal with it
Which may have been better.

This pandemic is a nightmare for any government to have had to deal with.
However with this government's procrastinated reactive catching up policy all through, in my view that nightmare has only been added to further.
In my view.

[arista]

173 deaths in 24 hours and this creep cannot even express condolences to those left bereaved.
It speaks volumes.

He talks slow.

Needs to be moved out of the cabinet

[Cherie]

someone of the journos said there is a new spike in Portugal?

[Cherie]

They should bring back English kids in early August and give then the extra holiday later in the year around half term or Christmas if the virus is swirling around again

Coates was wrong again today about schools not having access to Teams and Zoom, he really is a twat

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[joeysteele]

He talks slow.

Needs to be moved out of the cabinet

He was dropped by Mrs May, then brought back by this PM.

[Zizu]

Someone hold Zizu, all kids back 5 days a week in Sept.... I guess they will split the day?



NI has reduced schools to 1 meter distance from August



If it’s gonna be safe then I’d love to get back to some kind of normality .. sadly I still think that we are heading for second waves if not everywhere then in certain pockets... suggestions today that parts of London maybe over 1.1 !!


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[Zizu]

someone of the journos said there is a new spike in Portugal?



Yet we’re in talks with them to have some kind of ‘travel corridor’ between there and here ..


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[Zizu]

They should bring back English kids in early August and give then the extra holiday later in the year around half term or Christmas if the virus is swirling around again

Coates was wrong again today about schools not having access to Teams and Zoom, he really is a twat



Cherie ... the school staff need a break and a proper one ..

We’ve worked all through this nightmare.. even through Easter hols and bank holidays ..

I’ve just been in conversation with a parent just now about her son’s home schooling .. it’s nearly 8pm on a Friday evening.. I spend hours and hours in evenings just reading through endless staff / pupil emails and changes in guidance/ guidelines .


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[Cherie]

Cherie ... the school staff need a break and a proper one ..

We’ve worked all through this nightmare.. even through Easter hols and bank holidays ..

I’ve just been in conversation with a parrot just now about her son’s home schooling .. it’s nearly 8pm on a Friday evening.. I spend hours and hours in evenings just reading through endless staff / pupil emails and changes in guidance/ guidelines .


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Not you talking to parrots :laugh:

[Zizu]

Not you talking to parrots :laugh:



:)


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[joeysteele]

Sorry but I really feel the government is taking things now down a too risky road here.

What about those who have been near completely shielded in their homes for months.

There's been over 500 deaths in the last 4 days, the R rate still very close to 1.
Infections said to be rising at 4000 daily.

To put more people outdoors, into pubs etc, reducing the 2m rule.

Will those shielding who are most at risk, the elderly or those with health conditions, particularly respiratory or heart ones.
Will they now be sacrificed as those in Care Homes were just weeks ago.

I'm sorry but for me, I feel even though I'm well outside the scientific or public health knowledge.
This is starting to look like way too much, too soon.

Or do they not think they've lost enough already sick or elderly yet.
That's what the cynic in me is thinking.

[bots]

The R number is not a good indicator, no matter what the various agencies say. The only figure of interest which is up to date is the number of hospital admissions. Talking to NHS workers, the covid wards are pretty near empty at the moment, so we should take advantage of that status while we can and open the country up. It's the summer, with a high UV index, it's almost impossible to transmit the virus out doors, and with a mask it helps indoors.

I will repeat again because people seem to not understand. The lockdowns purpose was to reduce the pressure on the NHS ... there is now zero pressure on the NHS from covid ... so the country has to get back to running as normally as possible as quickly as possible

[smudgie]

The R number is not a good indicator, no matter what the various agencies say. The only figure of interest which is up to date is the number of hospital admissions. Talking to NHS workers, the covid wards are pretty near empty at the moment, so we should take advantage of that status while we can and open the country up. It's the summer, with a high UV index, it's almost impossible to transmit the virus out doors, and with a mask it helps indoors.

I will repeat again because people seem to not understand. The lockdowns purpose was to reduce the pressure on the NHS ... there is now zero pressure on the NHS from covid ... so the country has to get back to running as normally as possible as quickly as possible

Yes, this virus is not going to disappear anytime soon, if ever.
The best we can do is keep as safe as we can whilst trying to get back to some kind of normality.
We have been informed of the risks, the amount of people flaunting the rules is ridiculous, loosening the rules might make it easier for people to stick to them.
Life as we knew it has changed, but we can’t stay in lockdown forever.
No physical hugs for me until a safe vaccine is found, nobody apart from hubby coming within 3 metres of me, practically all social life now all virtual.
I know I am one of the lucky ones, I don’t need to put myself at major risk, a lot of people don’t have that luxury, but if we all do what we can to keep our risks low then we have a chance to get the country open for business again.

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[arista]

119,131 deaths USA
48,954 deaths Brazil
42,546 deaths United Kingdom
34,561 deaths Italy
29,620 deaths France
28,315 deaths Spain
20,394 deaths Mexico
12,948 deaths India
9,695 deaths Belgium
9,392 deaths Iran
8,895 deaths Germany
8,408 deaths Canada
7,992 deaths Russia
7,461 deaths Peru
6,100 deaths Netherlands
5,053 deaths Sweden

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html


Brazil is sadly jumping ahead
with the most infected today.

[joeysteele]

The R number is not a good indicator, no matter what the various agencies say. The only figure of interest which is up to date is the number of hospital admissions. Talking to NHS workers, the covid wards are pretty near empty at the moment, so we should take advantage of that status while we can and open the country up. It's the summer, with a high UV index, it's almost impossible to transmit the virus out doors, and with a mask it helps indoors.

I will repeat again because people seem to not understand. The lockdowns purpose was to reduce the pressure on the NHS ... there is now zero pressure on the NHS from covid ... so the country has to get back to running as normally as possible as quickly as possible


Well, we've been told for months now the R figure is an extremely important indicator.
However you indicate it isn't.

I'm also aware of the fact the lockdown was to help protect the NHS, however it was ALSO to stay safe and save lives.
Especially those sick and elderly more at risk of dying for certain if they got this vile cruel virus.

Well I for one, am not happy when things haven't changed that dramatically, to see the vulnerably sick and elderly sacrificed further in the name of normality.

Since the easing, although I still don't go out much, as my own Mother is with me and she's vulnerable if she gets this.

I hardly now see any masks or face coverings.
I see groups of people, then crosing roads to talk to others.

I've seen where a school has some pupils attending.
Usually a morning for some.pupils, then afternoon for the other pupils.

Then them trooping into stores, with no face coverings whatsoever.
Just wait until pubs start then with a reduced distancing too

What is your advice to those sick and elderly who've done all right and to the letter..
Are they just to be pushed out to the dangers of getting this.
Will normality be worth it to lose even more sick and elderly.
Were not enough lost in care homes.

There's a prize joke 'Care Homes' indeed.

I say again too.
This seems too much too soon.
I don't think normality is worth the risks of loss of lives of more sick and the elderly.
Not for me.
I'd never support that.
If they ease restrictions too quickly as they now seem hell-bent on doing.

[Nicky91]

here in Netherlands, they are thinking of audiences being allowed again at football matches from september :facepalm:

i feel ashamed how our government and rivm are underestimating this virus :(

[arista]

here in Netherlands, they are thinking of audiences being allowed again at football matches from september :facepalm:

i feel ashamed how our government and rivm are underestimating this virus :(


Less there ,
spread out etc?

[Nicky91]

Less there spread out etc?

perhaps some bit of audience and then spread across the stadium with spaces inbetween


in Germany, they have allowed audiences at tv shows again like talk shows, but also not in huge masses, and also talking about any precautions for corona, more informing the public, with a panel of medical experts

[bots]

Well, we've been told for months now the R figure is an extremely important indicator.
However you indicate it isn't.

I'm also aware of the fact the lockdown was to help protect the NHS, however it was ALSO to stay safe and save lives.
Especially those sick and elderly more at risk of dying for certain if they got this vile cruel virus.

Well I for one, am not happy when things haven't changed that dramatically, to see the vulnerably sick and elderly sacrificed further in the name of normality.

Since the easing, although I still don't go out much, as my own Mother is with me and she's vulnerable if she gets this.

I hardly now see any masks or face coverings.
I see groups of people, then crosing roads to talk to others.

I've seen where a school has some pupils attending.
Usually a morning for some.pupils, then afternoon for the other pupils.

Then them trooping into stores, with no face coverings whatsoever.
Just wait until pubs start then with a reduced distancing too

What is your advice to those sick and elderly who've done all right and to the letter..
Are they just to be pushed out to the dangers of getting this.
Will normality be worth it to lose even more sick and elderly.
Were not enough lost in care homes.

There's a prize joke 'Care Homes' indeed.

I say again too.
This seems too much too soon.
I don't think normality is worth the risks of loss of lives of more sick and the elderly.
Not for me.
I'd never support that.
If they ease restrictions too quickly as they now seem hell-bent on doing.

The R figure is only indicative when its also used in conjunction with the number of people and population density affected

A remote island could have a high R rate with a population of 10

A town with a population of 1 million could have a low R rate with 90% of the population of the town infected

That's why simply quoting R on its on is completely meaningless

We all know what we have to do to keep safe, and it's up to individuals to take their own protection. If we don't get the economy back up and running many more will die through unemployment and a government not able to assist because they have no income coming in. That is what we are facing now, so people need to understand that

[Nicky91]

Serbia there was audience again last weekend, at a tennis event, the Adria Open

[joeysteele]

here in Netherlands, they are thinking of audiences being allowed again at football matches from september :facepalm:

i feel ashamed how our government and rivm are underestimating this virus :(



Interesting.

I actually think our government too are underestimating this virus too.

Apart from the time they put in the lockdown,I fear they have, and also think any future inquiry will say, they have from the start really.

It's a scandal the level of deaths the UK has and 42,000 is not the likely current real figure either.
After we had the forewarnings of Italy in February.

Can't even claim hindsight.
We saw the holes Italy fell into and we jumped on after them, rather than try to avoid those holes.

The vulnerably sick and elderly particularly being treated like cannon fodder.

[joeysteele]

The R figure is only indicative when its also used in conjunction with the number of people and population density affected

A remote island could have a high R rate with a population of 10

A town with a population of 1 million could have a low R rate with 90% of the population of the town infected

That's why simply quoting R on its on is completely meaningless

We all know what we have to do to keep safe, and it's up to individuals to take their own protection. If we don't get the economy back up and running many more will die through unemployment and a government not able to assist because they have no income coming in. That is what we are facing now, so people need to understand that

I see you choose to avoid the vulnerably sick and elderly issues.

Well they are who matters more to me.

I don't see much evidence as more is eased of people seeming to know what they need to do to keep themselves safe or others safe for that matter.

My priorities lie with lives lost to this virus and putting money before risking lives may suit some..
It doesn't me.

Anyway, you and I are never going to agree on this point.
We've said our positions.
I'm very happy standing up for those vulnerably sick and elderly.

Who iif those out after easing restrictions, then more contract this virus, then end up in contact with those 2 groups, passing it on,will be a death sentence to them.
That's not worth money or any risk.
Not in my book anyway.

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[Massive crowds were seen along the pavement
in Battersea, London,
as eager revellers stood with takeaway pints ]


Sunak MP has confirmed next week
The Government will rule on the 2mts
or 1mts
(ITV1HD Lunchtime news)

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[Tom4784]

Sacrificing the elderly and infirm is back on the agenda then. We're one of the worst countries hit, we shouldn't be easing regulations at this point.

[Jessica.]

Why is nobody wearing masks in the pictures? For level 2 it says cases and transmission are low, which means during level 3 they are not low, but people are crowding up together? Is this a joke?

[Tom4784]

They probably think that because they are outside, they don't need to wear masks which is true IF they were distancing themselves.

[Jessica.]

They probably think that because they are outside, they don't need to wear masks which is true IF they were distancing themselves.

That's scary. Here in Portugal we have to wear masks in every public situation and when dealing with any kind of person doing their job.

[joeysteele]

That's scary. Here in Portugal we have to wear masks in every public situation and when dealing with any kind of person doing their job.

It is scary.

I agree with the wearing of masks in any situation where we come into contact with others, particularly doing their jobs.

It would seem from the pictures, people here in the UK don't know what they should be doing to keep themselves and others safe, at all.
In many cases far from it.

[Jessica.]

It is scary.

I agree with the wearing of masks in any situation where we come into contact with others, particularly doing their jobs.

It would seem from the pictures, people here in the UK don't know what they should be doing to keep themselves and others safe, at all.
In many cases far from it.

I hope it doesn't cause the cases to spike again, enough people have lost their lives. :sad:

[joeysteele]

Sacrificing the elderly and infirm is back on the agenda then. We're one of the worst countries hit, we shouldn't be easing regulations at this point.

No, we shouldn't
You are spot on.
At this point, it's still way too much of a risk.

[Zizu]

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[Massive crowds were seen along the pavement
in Battersea, London,
as eager revellers stood with takeaway pints ]


Sunak MP has confirmed next week
The Government will rule on the 2mts
or 1mts
(ITV1HD Lunchtime news)



They should just suspend their license for 6 months as a warning to the other pubs and bars - we won’t of course as we’re too soft over here
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[Cherie]

That's scary. Here in Portugal we have to wear masks in every public situation and when dealing with any kind of person doing their job.

Because you have to spoonfeed the residents of the UK, if they are not mandated to do something they wont do it, only in England is it mandated to wear facecovering on public transport...they will need to mandate public places as well because the thickos really cant think for themselves

[joeysteele]

I hope it doesn't cause the cases to spike again, enough people have lost their lives. :sad:

That's the worry and the risk.

4 people connected to me, family and friends have lost their lives.
One a Nurse who didn't have the protection equipment.

Another a close friend, with a serious health condition who contracted it in hospital.

Then 2 elderly Aunts.
I'm not impressed with risks being taken by those in power, to lose any more valued people from my life.

It's frightening, wrong and a scandal.

[Tom4784]

Because you have to spoonfeed the residents of the UK, if they are not mandated to do something they wont do it, only in England is it mandated to wear facecovering on public transport...they will need to mandate public places as well because the thickos really cant think for themselves

On that, we agree.

[joeysteele]

Because you have to spoonfeed the residents of the UK, if they are not mandated to do something they wont do it, only in England is it mandated to wear facecovering on public transport...they will need to mandate public places as well because the thickos really cant think for themselves


Spot on Cherie.

[Cherie]

The R figure is only indicative when its also used in conjunction with the number of people and population density affected

A remote island could have a high R rate with a population of 10

A town with a population of 1 million could have a low R rate with 90% of the population of the town infected

That's why simply quoting R on its on is completely meaningless

We all know what we have to do to keep safe, and it's up to individuals to take their own protection. If we don't get the economy back up and running many more will die through unemployment and a government not able to assist because they have no income coming in. That is what we are facing now, so people need to understand that


It is impossible to please everyone in this situation,

the schools open, its too soon

the schools close, the children are missing out

the distance is 2 meters....when will it be reduced

ban on non essential travel....when will the public be able to go on holiday

change the termtime ...teachers and unions up in arms

2 meter rule bars and restaurants do not want to open on those terms and are holding the government to ransom saying they need to reduce, why not open in a partial way to begin with? and get half your work force back?

shielded people can go for a walk....WHAT ...im not going out

the government need to tell us what to do, then they are told they can go out and they say I am not listening to that

BLM - im marching pandemic or no pandemic
Far Right.....we are protecting statues pandemic or no pandemic


I don't blame people for going back to normal, everyone is suiting themselves so I would open everything up....the 2 million still shielding need to continue to do so, its **** but that the best thing that can happen for now

[Nicky91]

i think we are 2 currently then

i mean the virus isn't gone here, but numbers are at a low compared to last 3 months for sure


only some military personnel at a army base nearby here few got infected, who are all immediately quarantined and those who weren't there at time of infections are ordered to stay home for time being, those who tested negative for the virus also are ordered to go home

[bots]

I see you choose to avoid the vulnerably sick and elderly issues.

Well they are who matters more to me.

I don't see much evidence as more is eased of people seeming to know what they need to do to keep themselves safe or others safe for that matter.

My priorities lie with lives lost to this virus and putting money before risking lives may suit some..
It doesn't me.

Anyway, you and I are never going to agree on this point.
We've said our positions.
I'm very happy standing up for those vulnerably sick and elderly.

Who iif those out after easing restrictions, then more contract this virus, then end up in contact with those 2 groups, passing it on,will be a death sentence to them.
That's not worth money or any risk.
Not in my book anyway.

Joey, i am in the elderly and vulnerable range, so I can assure you i am not ignoring it. But we have a virus that isn't going away and we cannot stop everything and disappear because if our economy is stressed any further, we wont have an NHS, we won't have social services. People are going to lose their jobs and have no safety net. That is catastrophic and it will become a reality if we don't get the economy moving.

There are no easy choices and vulnerable people should be protected, but the rest need to get out there and start the economy moving.

I have worked from home for the duration of the lockdown, I have bought goods from local business ... that's me doing my bit. Everyone else should be doing what they can to get things moving too. Things won't be the same for a while but an economy running at 90% is much better than we had during lockdown

[arista]

They should just suspend their license for 6 months as a warning to the other pubs and bars - we won’t of course as we’re too soft over here
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It's outside of the Pub.
They are Happy to sell Plastic Glasses of Beer
and Wine for folks to drink outside on the street.

The Pub is not responsible for any that choose
to stand close together


Soon another BLM rally
in Hyde Park is going down to Parliament
Many of them will have a Mask on
but are to close together

[user104658]

Today Scotland has 2 deaths, 14 currently in ICU, 26 total new cases. Death figure has been 0 several times in the last 10 days.

The differences in policy between Scotland and England haven't even been huge, but they are there, and clearly something is resulting in a noticeable difference. Honestly I think one of the main differences is simply that the advice has been clearly stated and consistent, whereas the advice in England has simple been so confusing that I feel many people have just given up on trying to keep up with it.

[Cherie]

Today Scotland has 2 deaths, 14 currently in ICU, 26 total new cases. Death figure has been 0 several times in the last 10 days.

The differences in policy between Scotland and England haven't even been huge, but they are there, and clearly something is resulting in a noticeable difference. Honestly I think one of the main differences is simply that the advice has been clearly stated and consistent, whereas the advice in England has simple been so confusing that I feel many people have just given up on trying to keep up with it.

This is nonsense tbf...it’s only confusing because people want to do their own thing...and it’s only a few days ago St Nicky had to explain why only a third of care homes had been tested, you have a far smaller nation, same size as NZ and no major transatlantic hubs ...Scotland really haven’t done that well at all in terms of fatalities imo

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/10/scotland-coronavirus-care-home-testing-postcode-lottery

[user104658]

This is nonsense tbf...it’s only confusing because people want to do their own thing...and it’s only a few days ago St Nicky had to explain why only a third of care homes had been tested, you have a far smaller nation, same size as NZ and no major transatlantic hubs ...Scotland really haven’t done that well at all in terms of fatalities imo

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/10/scotland-coronavirus-care-home-testing-postcode-lottery

I'm not talking about overall, we had the exact same shaky start as the rest of the UK but that's sort of the point; the policies were roughly the same and figures roughly correlated with population size for several months, and started to diverge when the advice in England started spiraling off on a tangent while Scotland said "We're keeping things as they are for now".

The population of England is 10x the population of Scotland so to be the same rates, England would have to be at

20 deaths
140 in ICU
260 new cases

I can appreciate what you're saying about other factors like "the London effect" but the figures are not just reflecting a small percentage increase based on that now, like they were even a month ago.

IF as much repression of the virus as possible was the goal, England pulled back on the stick 2 - 3 weeks too early. It's pretty much that simple.

[arista]

Deaths Today : 128

Total Deaths of the UK Covid-19 :42,589

[bots]

I'm not talking about overall, we had the exact same shaky start as the rest of the UK but that's sort of the point; the policies were roughly the same and figures roughly correlated with population size for several months, and started to diverge when the advice in England started spiraling off on a tangent while Scotland said "We're keeping things as they are for now".

The population of England is 10x the population of Scotland so to be the same rates, England would have to be at

20 deaths
140 in ICU
260 new cases

I can appreciate what you're saying about other factors like "the London effect" but the figures are not just reflecting a small percentage increase based on that now, like they were even a month ago.

IF as much repression of the virus as possible was the goal, England pulled back on the stick 2 - 3 weeks too early. It's pretty much that simple.

The difference between Scotland and England at base level is that

1) Scotland doesn't have the variations in population densiy that England
and has, therefore it can set simpler goals

2) Scotland doesn't have a financial centre

3) Most importantly. Scotland can set their own goals because they can put the fiscal responsibility for it on to England. Nicky can't lose in that respect

[Cherie]

Deaths Today : 128

Total Deaths of the UK Covid-19 :42,589

Quite high for a Saturday

[Nicky91]

here today numbers

8 new deaths

2 new hospitalisations

[joeysteele]

Today Scotland has 2 deaths, 14 currently in ICU, 26 total new cases. Death figure has been 0 several times in the last 10 days.

The differences in policy between Scotland and England haven't even been huge, but they are there, and clearly something is resulting in a noticeable difference. Honestly I think one of the main differences is simply that the advice has been clearly stated and consistent, whereas the advice in England has simple been so confusing that I feel many people have just given up on trying to keep up with it.


Definitely.

In fact of all the leading Ministers of the currently 4 UK Nations.
I've admired the consistency of her message and also her genuine compassion towards those who lost their lives and those left behind.
Also her caution too.


We had creepy Gavin Williamson on the other day, announcing another 173 deaths.
Yet never even said either he was sad to report that, or offer any condolences to the bereaved.

Deaths now don't seem to matter to the government now.
It's all on changing the agenda despite the risks.

I've learned far more in the Scottish press conferences, from Nicola Sturgeon and her clearer message than has been made clear from our government, whether that's the PM or other Minister taking them.

[Nicky91]

Belgium

only 2 new deaths today

[Zizu]

It's outside of the Pub.

They are Happy to sell Plastic Glasses of Beer

and Wine for folks to drink outside on the street.



The Pub is not responsible for any that choose

to stand close together





Soon another BLM rally

in Hyde Park is going down to Parliament

Many of them will have a Mask on

but are to close together



Surely they are the pub’s customers and it’s up to the pub to ensure their clientele can social distance ..

Pubs / clubs all have to have Public Liability insurance in case one of their customers claims against them - so in a normal situation you can’t say a pub is only responsible for the customers INSIDE the pub ...


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[smudgie]

No surprise at the numbers this week.
What with all the public mingling since the weather changed, plus the protests and raves.

[MTVN]

Quite high for a Saturday

Lower than last Sat, these are Fridays figures so not affected by any data lag like Sunday and Monday are

[user104658]

The difference between Scotland and England at base level is that



1) Scotland doesn't have the variations in population densiy that England

and has, therefore it can set simpler goals



2) Scotland doesn't have a financial centre



3) Most importantly. Scotland can set their own goals because they can put the fiscal responsibility for it on to England. Nicky can't lose in that respect

1) Whilst again I know the London effect is a thing, this statement is utter nonsense - nearly 3/4 of Scotland's population lives in the central belt region (West to East, Ayrshire-Glasgow-Edinburgh). There are quite obviously vast differences in population density across the country.

2) It doesn't and this does make a difference, there were always differences throughout, England being hit approx 2x worse, but at this point in it 8x to 10x worse, specifically since England started exiting lockdown and Scotland did not.

3) Now on this one, you certainly know that in general I agree with you about the potential economic damage, HOWEVER it really doesn't apply here. That choice was made and that damage has been done, and pulling out of lockdown 3 weeks prematurely will make negligible difference on that front. They needed to reverse course EVEN EARLIER, or hold out a little longer. They started hitting the brakes at a point where it will make have no positive economic impact above waiting a few more weeks, but also has (clearly) stunted the rate at which infection levels are decreasing, dramatically increasing the risk of a second spike.

The timing of their execution was piss poor. There's just no avoiding that. They should have waited a few more weeks and the difference in drop off rate reflects that.

[MTVN]

Eh I think Scotland has just dropped off quicker because they didn't experience the outbreak on the same scale in the first place, same reason here in the South West we've got about the same population as Scotland but only had 11 deaths across the whole week last week

[bots]

Travellers from the UK will not have to quarantine on arrival in Spain from Sunday, Spanish officials have said.

Spain's foreign affairs minister has told the BBC that British citizens will be allowed to enter the country freely, without the need to self-isolate.

She said the decision had been made "out of respect" for the 400,000 Britons who have second homes in Spain.

[MTVN]

Benidorm here I come :cool:

[bots]

1) Whilst again I know the London effect is a thing, this statement is utter nonsense - nearly 3/4 of Scotland's population lives in the central belt region (West to East, Ayrshire-Glasgow-Edinburgh). There are quite obviously vast differences in population density across the country.

2) It doesn't and this does make a difference, there were always differences throughout, England being hit approx 2x worse, but at this point in it 8x to 10x worse, specifically since England started exiting lockdown and Scotland did not.

3) Now on this one, you certainly know that in general I agree with you about the potential economic damage, HOWEVER it really doesn't apply here. That choice was made and that damage has been done, and pulling out of lockdown 3 weeks prematurely will make negligible difference on that front. They needed to reverse course EVEN EARLIER, or hold out a little longer. They started hitting the brakes at a point where it will make have no positive economic impact above waiting a few more weeks, but also has (clearly) stunted the rate at which infection levels are decreasing, dramatically increasing the risk of a second spike.

The timing of their execution was piss poor. There's just no avoiding that. They should have waited a few more weeks and the difference in drop off rate reflects that.


People were already breaking the lockdown in england, you can't force people to be locked down against their will, they need to want to do it, and for many reasons, people just decided enough was enough. The lifting of restrictions followed the people, not really the other way round. The same applied to the start of the lockdown, people had already decided that was the right thing to do

[Cherie]

Travellers from the UK will not have to quarantine on arrival in Spain from Sunday, Spanish officials have said.

Spain's foreign affairs minister has told the BBC that British citizens will be allowed to enter the country freely, without the need to self-isolate.

She said the decision had been made "out of respect" for the 400,000 Britons who have second homes in Spain.

Whoop whoop didn’t think we would get back until at least Oct, not that we will be going for now anyway

[Cherie]

Lower than last Sat, these are Fridays figures so not affected by any data lag like Sunday and Monday are

Oh I thought it was higher thanks

[joeysteele]

Whether the rising deaths figure can be given as more or less than last week, or any other time. ( It's probably not a true figure anyway).

All I see is, with not a scrap of concern or compassion.
Is again here over 100 deaths.
That's Parents, Grandparents, Uncles, Aunts, Brothers, Sisters, friends and neighbours.

Leaving hundreds, likely thousands more grieving for those lost loved ones.

Talking of deaths still happening in their hundreds, as if it's worth concentrating on the level of them in comparison to other days, I find sickening.

My thoughts totally go out to all of those who now for a long time are still seeing hundreds of their loved ones dying before their time.
Not likely being able to even attend their funerals and give their last respects.

However people soon, in the interests of making money, likely be able to, despite the risks it will bring, go to a pub.

Awful.
Rising deaths, lower or higher are STILL rising deaths of loved ones.

[Cherie]

Whether the rising deaths figure can be given as more or less than last week, or any other time. ( It's probably not a true figure anyway).

All I see is, with not a scrap of concern or compassion.
Is again here over 100 deaths.
That's people's Parents, Grandparents, Uncles, Aunts, Brothers, Sisters, friends and neighbours.

Leaving hundreds, likely thousands more grieving for those lost loved ones.

Talking of deaths still happening in their hundreds, as if it's worth concentrating on the level of them in comparison to other days, I find sickening.

My thoughts totally go out to all of those who now for a long time are still seeing hundreds of their loved ones dying before their time.
Not likely being able to even attend their funerals and give their last respects.

However people soon, in the interests of making money, likely be able to, despite the risks it will bring, go to a pub.

Awful.
Rising deaths, lower or higher are STILL rising deaths of loved ones.

Oh sorry Joey it did come across like that, of course any death from anything is tragic :hug:

[arista]

Germany's R rate has Gone up to 1.79
Live Ch4HD news


There are now fears Germany has a 2nd Peak of infections.

[Cherie]

Germany's R rate has Gone up to 1.79
Live Ch4HD news


There are now fears Germany has a 2nd Peak of infections.

Oh shoot

[MTVN]

Yesterday they said it was 1.06 so these estimates are fluctuating wildly, I wouldn't be too concerned about it yet

[joeysteele]

Oh sorry Joey it did come across like that, of course any death from anything is tragic :hug:

Aw no no Cherie, you don't need to say sorry.
Thank you for thinking on something I said however I ought to have made it more clear.
No way was I directing my comment to you.
Thank you sincerely for your response though.
It was really thoughtful of you.

My groans are with the officials, the government and their attitude to the rising deaths.
By calling it 'deaths are falling''
As I said the last Minister, Williamson in the press conference didn't even offer sympathies to the bereaved loved ones.

I can only say what I personally think and feel on here, I can't tell others on here what to say or think.

[bots]

Germany's R rate has Gone up to 1.79
Live Ch4HD news


There are now fears Germany has a 2nd Peak of infections.

I keep repeating it, but the R rate just doesn't mean anything without context.

The number of infected in Germany is very low so it's unlikely that its a problem. It could mean 2 people have to self isolate

[Zizu]

No surprise at the numbers this week.

What with all the public mingling since the weather changed, plus the protests and raves.



We live in a nice area but a few houses down and across from our garden I can hear a massive outdoor party going on for the last two hours .. judging by all the different blokes shouting plus wives and children I’d guess there must be about 20 having a wild time . We’ve had to close the windows and door to keep the noise out


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[Oliver_W]

Today Scotland has 2 deaths, 14 currently in ICU, 26 total new cases. Death figure has been 0 several times in the last 10 days.

The differences in policy between Scotland and England haven't even been huge, but they are there, and clearly something is resulting in a noticeable difference. Honestly I think one of the main differences is simply that the advice has been clearly stated and consistent, whereas the advice in England has simple been so confusing that I feel many people have just given up on trying to keep up with it.

The advice given might have been given and followed better in Scotland, but Scotland also has a quarter of the population density of England. Fewer people per square mile makes it easier to contain things, no?

[hijaxers]

Germany's R rate has Gone up to 1.79
Live Ch4HD news


There are now fears Germany has a 2nd Peak of infections.

Well its because of that slaughterhouse/meat packing factory probably 1000 works and 657 tested positive.

Thy closed it down on Wednesday due to the outbreak.

[Samm]

What was the R in the UK, at the peak around late March/April?

[joeysteele]

What was the R in the UK, at the peak around late March/April?

Don't quote me on this but I believe it was just above 2 at the lockdown dates.

It hit 3 in London I believe in February.

[Zizu]

Well its because of that slaughterhouse/meat packing factory probably 1000 works and 657 tested positive.



Thy closed it down on Wednesday due to the outbreak.



657 out of a 1000 !!


That just demonstrates how easy it is for the virus to spread in a confined indoor space ...sadly some of us work in schools at this time .. potential virus incubators !!


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[hijaxers]

657 out of a 1000 !!


That just demonstrates how easy it is for the virus to spread in a confined indoor space ...sadly some of us work in schools at this time .. potential virus incubators !!


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Yes exactly one person did that !!

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[BBC Text: Klopp boots Boris," is the lead story on
the front page of the Daily Star Sunday,
as the paper reports on the criticism from
the Liverpool football boss over the PM's
handling of the coronavirus pandemic.
Jurgen Klopp said that if aliens compared
the UK's handling of the crisis to Germany's
"they'd think we came from different planets",
the paper reports.]

[joeysteele]

Yes exactly one person did that !!

That's all it takes.
Really worrying.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

UK's Covid-19 Death Total : 42,632

Death Total released today: 43

London Hospitals and Scotland reported No deaths.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444541/Coronavirus-UK-announces-deaths-Sunday.html

[JerseyWins]

Damn Florida's now starting to get a MAJOR surge in corona cases the past week / few days in particular :worry: As well as rises in Texas & Arizona.

I've actually finally started hanging out a bit in the past ~2 weeks (rather than simply leaving the house with a mask to go to the store/bank/etc. :joker:) as it feels like the corona outbreak is calming so much here. But those rises in other areas are possibly worrying, I am NOT here for a second wave possibly happening in NY/NJ :skull:

I mean it's in the south so idk the major surges still might be done here. Hoping those people & families get through it as best as possible tho :( :fc:

[bots]

2nd, 3rd 4th ... 10th waves are more than likely, but if people social distance it should never become a problem from a health service coping point of view. We have to hope that before the winter comes, they have more and more effective treatments

[arista]

2nd, 3rd 4th ... 10th waves are more than likely, but if people social distance it should never become a problem from a health service coping point of view. We have to hope that before the winter comes, they have more and more effective treatments


Yes it's a rush to get a workable Vaccine of some sort
before the Winter

[arista]

London City Airport
has opened for Flights to Scotland and Ireland and Northern Ireland


Ref:BBC1 London News

[bots]

the death rate in my area from those that tested positive is 21%. Sure, many will have had it and not known, but it still leaves a very high death rate

You can check your own area here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

[Cherie]

the death rate in my area from those that tested positive is 21%. Sure, many will have had it and not known, but it still leaves a very high death rate

You can check your own area here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

36%

[bots]

36%

it's crazy bad, isn't it

[AnnieK]

Manchester
1,711
confirmed cases out of a local population of 552,858
to 21 Jun

366
coronavirus-related deaths
registered to 5 June

26%
of all deaths involved coronavirus
between 29 February and 5 June

:worry:

[arista]

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[Liam-]

2,197
confirmed cases out of a local population of 366,903

355
coronavirus-related deaths

32%
of all deaths involved coronavirus

[arista]

1274756751624228871

[caprimint]

Brent:
1,498
confirmed cases out of a local population of 329,771
to 21 Jun

476
coronavirus-related deaths
registered to 5 June

47%
of all deaths involved coronavirus
between 29 February and 5 June


Worcestershire:
1,441
confirmed cases out of a local population of 595,786
to 21 Jun

498
coronavirus-related deaths
registered to 5 June

22%
of all deaths involved coronavirus
between 29 February and 5 June

[Cherie]

1274756751624228871

it's not nationwide, this is from a cluster in a certain area

[Nicky91]

true Cherie, more in meat factories to be accurate

british media can overreact so well :idc:


people from there infected remain quarantined, also at ICU's so no need to panic, and that is what german government also does, remaining calm

actually what i like about Merkel as their leader, her calmth, immediately taking action quarantining those who were there at moment of outbreak in those factories


no stricter lockdown measures are there either so yeah what you say Cherie, just few places, not nation wide

[Cherie]

true Cherie, more in meat factories to be accurate

british media can overreact so well :idc:


people from there infected remain quarantined, also at ICU's so no need to panic, and that is what german government also does, remaining calm

actually what i like about Merkel as their leader, her calmth, immediately taking action quarantining those who were there at moment of outbreak in those factories


no stricter lockdown measures are there either so yeah what you say Cherie, just few places, not nation wide



the British media have been appalling during this crises no two ways about it

[arista]

it's not nationwide, this is from a cluster in a certain area


Yes Not all over Germany
but that area with all those Foreign meat factory workers
has increased.

[Zizu]

Manchester
1,711
confirmed cases out of a local population of 552,858
to 21 Jun

366
coronavirus-related deaths
registered to 5 June

26%
of all deaths involved coronavirus
between 29 February and 5 June

:worry:



It’s a big worry for SOME of us in the area .. sadly not the party-goers etc






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[user104658]

The death rate has been validated time and time again to be between 0.5% and 2%, most likely somewhere just under 1%.

Any figures showing very high death rates far in excess of around 5% are due to lack of testing, and reporting of high percentage death rates are little more than scaremongering. It's more or less that simple.

We're not 5 months into a pandemic and suddenly finding out that there are 20%+ death rates :facepalm:.

If anything what this highlights is woeful under-testing - most people who were being tested for the bulk of the pandemic were tested in hospital, which means they were ill enough to require hospital treatment before being tested. These figures are, more accurately, the death rates of hospital admissions. Over 80% of cases do NOT require hospital admission.

[AnnieK]

The death rate has been validated time and time again to be between 0.5% and 2%, most likely somewhere just under 1%.

Any figures showing very high death rates far in excess of around 5% are due to lack of testing, and reporting of high percentage death rates are little more than scaremongering. It's more or less that simple.

We're not 5 months into a pandemic and suddenly finding out that there are 20%+ death rates :facepalm:.

If anything what this highlights is woeful under-testing - most people who were being tested for the bulk of the pandemic were tested in hospital, which means they were ill enough to require hospital treatment before being tested. These figures are, more accurately, the death rates of hospital admissions. Over 80% of cases do NOT require hospital admission.

The percentages though are of the total number of deaths from all causes during that period of time, not the actual percentage of deaths to cases of Covid. Or at least that's how I have interpreted the data.

[user104658]

The percentages though are of the total number of deaths from all causes during that period of time, not the actual percentage of deaths to cases of Covid. Or at least that's how I have interpreted the data.Yes but confirmed cases/confirmed deaths are yielding huge percentages from these figures.

I honestly do think it's worth reiterating that the deaths are mainly high because the infection rates are high, not because Covid itself is particularly deadly. It's the bad end of mild. Clearly worse than most flu strains, but not in the same ballpark as Ebola, Smallpox, MERS or even OG SARS.

[Zizu]

W.H.O

Yesterday saw the highest number of new infections since the virus first started ..
Around 140,000 worldwide ( plus gawd knows how many in Brazil , China , Russia and the like .


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[Zizu]

Italy .. hospitals SEEM to be seeing a weaker , far less potent version of the virus ... death rate is now 2% ( at its worst it was 25% )

Their thought it could be due to the public spreading a SMALLER VIRAL LOAD ?!?!?


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[Denver]

They are on course to have their first day with no deaths by the end of the month

[arista]

5PM Briefing Live
10 Downing St.


Sadly it's Matt Hancock MP
again.............


Deaths : 15

UK Total Covid-19 deaths : 42,647

[Cherie]

Relaxation for shielded from 6th July England only

[joeysteele]

My my, Hancock is seemingly full of beans today.

[Vanessa]

I think things are finally getting better here.
Really sad for the people who died, but 15 is the lowest number we've had so far.

[arista]

Relaxation for shielded from 6th July England only

Yes Monday 6th of July in England.
I bet some will still not venture out,
others will.

[arista]

I think things are finally getting better here.
Really sad for the people who died, but 15 is the lowest number we've had so far.


Yes but it's a Weekend number

[Vanessa]

I'm going out. I refuse to hide away.
We have to live with this virus, it's not going away any time soon.
Yes, we need to be careful, but we should still live our lives.

[joeysteele]

Yes but it's a Weekend number

It is and still rising deaths.

[arista]

USA Covid-19 Deaths have reached 120,044
this hour.

Ref: CNN HD Live

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