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arista
05-08-2020, 12:48 AM
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05-08-2020, 12:48 AM
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05-08-2020, 12:49 AM
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arista
05-08-2020, 12:50 AM
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arista
05-08-2020, 05:36 AM
GMBHD itv Live in Aberdeen, Scotland
more bars have closed
as they feel it's too early to open.
After 26 confirmed, infected in one bar.
... "This particular cluster is another reminder that this virus is still out there and hasn't gone away,” Nicola Sturgeon said.
"It remains extremely infectious and, of course, it remains extremely dangerous and all of of us have a part to play in denying it the opportunities to spread."
the major difference, and it's huge between March and now is that we have testing and track and trace so we know where the issues are. I think context is required. We have clusters of infection, but these numbers are tiny compared to the population and we know where the clusters are
joeysteele
05-08-2020, 07:15 AM
... "This particular cluster is another reminder that this virus is still out there and hasn't gone away,” Nicola Sturgeon said.
"It remains extremely infectious and, of course, it remains extremely dangerous and all of of us have a part to play in denying it the opportunities to spread."
For me, honestly, the only Political UK leader of a party who has shown compassion, respect to those who've lost their lives.
Also however genuine compassion and respect to those devastatingly bereaved too.
She has done her utmost to tell the truth and not deceive.
At present, the only one worth listening to is Nicola.
She is the one who has looked more the Statesperson in this pandemic.
I've full respect for her.
it's easy for Nicola when she waits to see what reaction the public give to Boris before acting herself. Also, she justs holds out her hand for cash from the chancellor, she does not have the fiscal responsibility that the government has. We have no idea whether she is being truthful or not, so I don't know how anyone can come to that conclusion
joeysteele
05-08-2020, 07:45 AM
it's easy for Nicola when she waits to see what reaction the public give to Boris before acting herself. Also, she justs holds out her hand for cash from the chancellor, she does not have the fiscal responsibility that the government has. We have no idea whether she is being truthful or not, so I don't know how anyone can come to that conclusion
No way.
She's been ahead of him on many things.
Even going a separate way to England, along with Wales and N Ireland.
The extension of shielding.
The travel restrictions.
Even testing.
Just to name a few.
I frankly don't know how you can look at both and think she's followed Johnson.
She's been criticised for acting separately to him on a range of issues.
He has actually followed her.
I can easily come to that conclusion because she still holds her conferences, still expressing full condolences for any deaths, and giving respect to those bereaved too.
Not that she's had more than a couple of deaths in the last 2 weeks+
She acts as quickly as she is able to in the restriction of her powers from this government.
I'm only left wondering possibly how much better we may have been, had she been leading the UK.
Rather than the deceit and endless twisting of statistics, we've had from Johnson and Hancock.
Across the board on just about everything.
Strictly Jake
05-08-2020, 08:18 AM
Im dreading winter. Nearly all of us get colds flu etc its going to be hard to tell if its a cold or corona!
Cherie
05-08-2020, 08:54 AM
Im dreading winter. Nearly all of us get colds flu etc its going to be hard to tell if its a cold or corona!
you can get tested
arista
05-08-2020, 09:05 AM
Heathrow Boss
wants everyone who arrives to have an Airport Fast Covid test
paying £150
it's a 2 part test, the 2nd test is done by post at home.
arista
05-08-2020, 09:10 AM
[A number of staff at the biggest Tesco store
in Coventry have tested positive for coronavirus.]
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Cherie
05-08-2020, 09:32 AM
Heathrow Boss
wants everyone who arrives to have an Airport Fast Covid test
paying £150
it's a 2 part test, the 2nd test is done by post at home.
okay that won't happen
arista
05-08-2020, 09:42 AM
okay that won't happen
Yes that Heathrow Boss has gone Crazy
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:party:
they are full treating people with alcohol poisoning :laugh:
Nicky91
05-08-2020, 10:48 AM
Junior Eurovision what is scheduled for November in Warsaw, Poland has had its 4th withdrawing country now
first Australia, Wales, North Macedonia and after initially confirming participation Ireland also pulled out, all of them have Covid-19 pandemic as its reason
Ireland especially bc covid-19 hinders its national selection what promotes irish language to its fullest
polish broadcaster TVP still insists it is going ahead, and EBU also provides daily news updates on the JESC2020 show
i think this one is gonna be postponed to next year's november/december
as for eurovision 2021, i do think EBU now knows it needs to be more flexible given them and our dutch delegation doesn't want to cancel it again bc of a pandemic
i think a ''online contest'' with artists/songs all performing from own studio or arena depending on what type of song (ballad for studio, uptempo for arena) as a last resort would be possible
the 2020 cancellation was inevitable more because if going for something alternate would've been a terrible financial blow for the venue
but like EBU have announced it to be in ahoy earlier on in May during that ''europe shine a light'' event i think they already have some plan b scenario's to go through with it next year
arista
05-08-2020, 01:16 PM
Scotland : Aberdeen goes into Lockdown
54 infections all these nutters got close in bars.
user104658
05-08-2020, 01:19 PM
Scotland : Aberdeen goes into Lockdown
54 infections all these nutters got close in bars.Two different clusters both centred on bars.
No one could have predicted it of course.
Scotland : Aberdeen goes into Lockdown
54 infections all these nutters got close in bars.
They should publish where the deaths are catching the virus if known ... that may act as a deterrent
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There were a few ‘test trackers’ on LBC radio earlier on and they paint a pitiful picture of things ..
One had been fed two cases to contact in 3 months , another had had just 4 cases to deal with . Neither were able to talk to the infected cases to even get the list of people that they’d been in contact with as five of the six didn’t even answer the phone calls - presumably because most people don’t answer phone calls to numbers they don’t recognise. One person actually answered the phone but after hearing it was a tracker they hung up immediately !
There was another caller giving the other side of the problem- his dad was infected and actually DIED ( underlying health issues) but then his son and nine other family members were each contacted many many times by different trackers ..
Apparently this means that the figures we are being fed by the government are effectively flawed and badly - as the numbers ‘contacted’ could be as much as TEN times higher than what they actually are as different trackers are contacting the same people as their lists will all cross reference..
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Liam-
05-08-2020, 01:29 PM
It’s almost like opening places of nonessential leisure wasn’t such a good idea
It’s almost like opening places of nonessential leisure wasn’t such a good idea
Who knew ...
It would be bad enough if they couldn’t get their alcohol from other places
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Seems like many in Scotland thought they were 'Covid free' and now just needed to keep the English out, hopefully a reminder for pubs and punters in the rest of the UK to be responsible
26 people in one pub test positive..reports of many other pubs having to shut down because of large numbers of customers testing positive in the same pubs.
Says to me we've all got it or going to get it, so strip off those masks and get on with it.
arista
05-08-2020, 01:35 PM
Seems like many in Scotland thought they were 'Covid free' and now just needed to keep the English out, hopefully a reminder for pubs and punters in the rest of the UK to be responsible
Yes until 54
in Aberdeen got close in bars
They Failed
TS - not so cocky now
arista
05-08-2020, 01:36 PM
26 people in one pub test positive..reports of many other pubs having to shut down because of large numbers of customers testing positive in the same pubs.
Says to me we've all got it or going to get it, so strip off those masks and get on with it.
It's now 54 infected
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Nicky91
05-08-2020, 01:37 PM
26 people in one pub test positive..reports of many other pubs having to shut down because of large numbers of customers testing positive in the same pubs.
Says to me we've all got it or going to get it, so strip off those masks and get on with it.
no, and even if you had it once, you can get it again
there will never be a ''normal life'' anymore like we were used to before all this i hope, i hope people will become more hygienic, i hope we will all learn from this, not to unnecessary socialize too much
as for the masks, they will Always help a bit more than wearing nothing
arista
05-08-2020, 01:38 PM
Two different clusters both centred on bars.
No one could have predicted it of course.
Yes but 54 infected, in all.
Made your leader act.
arista
05-08-2020, 01:41 PM
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[Local health officials have linked a number of cases to The Hawthorn Bar in Aberdeen.]
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-to-be-reimposed-in-aberdeen-after-spike-in-cases-12042945
[She said the rise in cases had heightened fears the
Scottish government is "dealing with a significant outbreak
n Aberdeen that may include some community transmission".]
Looks like a lovely venue
arista
05-08-2020, 01:47 PM
Looks like a lovely venue
If only the Boss
limited the amount to enter.
Cherie
05-08-2020, 01:58 PM
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[Local health officials have linked a number of cases to The Hawthorn Bar in Aberdeen.]
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-to-be-reimposed-in-aberdeen-after-spike-in-cases-12042945
[She said the rise in cases had heightened fears the
Scottish government is "dealing with a significant outbreak
n Aberdeen that may include some community transmission".]
Grim, you can tell it’s a place that didn’t enforce any distancing :joker:
its the granite, every building in the city looks grim :laugh:
Oh my..I hope Jack n victor are ok.
There were a few ‘test trackers’ on LBC radio earlier on and they paint a pitiful picture of things ..
One had been fed two cases to contact in 3 months , another had had just 4 cases to deal with . Neither were able to talk to the infected cases to even get the list of people that they’d been in contact with as five of the six didn’t even answer the phone calls - presumably because most people don’t answer phone calls to numbers they don’t recognise. One person actually answered the phone but after hearing it was a tracker they hung up immediately !
There was another caller giving the other side of the problem- his dad was infected and actually DIED ( underlying health issues) but then his son and nine other family members were each contacted many many times by different trackers ..
Apparently this means that the figures we are being fed by the government are effectively flawed and badly - as the numbers ‘contacted’ could be as much as TEN times higher than what they actually are as different trackers are contacting the same people as their lists will all cross reference..
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there will be flaws in any system. The fundamental fact remains that through a number of mechanisms we are able to identify hotspots and then do concentrated testing in those hot spots to identify the scope of the problem. Testing is much more focussed than it ever was
We are not even close to the position we were in during March when we were getting 60 000 positive tests a day with woeful testing capability
...it’s around one week until the schools return in Scotland...what will happen if there are ‘clusters’ of cases linked to that return....will they close again...?..
Dogeatdog
05-08-2020, 03:11 PM
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[Local health officials have linked a number of cases to The Hawthorn Bar in Aberdeen.]
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-to-be-reimposed-in-aberdeen-after-spike-in-cases-12042945
[She said the rise in cases had heightened fears the
Scottish government is "dealing with a significant outbreak
n Aberdeen that may include some community transmission".]
Clearly should’ve been a limit as to how many people were allowed in. I tried to get into 3 pubs last weekend around my local area and I couldn’t get into any of them because they were only letting so many in at one time to prevent a situation like this happening. At least there are some pubs out there that are taking the rules very seriously.
user104658
05-08-2020, 03:15 PM
...it’s around one week until the schools return in Scotland...what will happen if there are ‘clusters’ of cases linked to that return....will they close again...?..Better that than closing the pubs eh Ammi. We don't want sad lonely blokes to have to go without a cup of swill and an illusion that the bar staff are their friends. That would be tragic. Not to mention all of the quizzes, pool competitions and knitting clubs that would have to go without.
The mental gymnastics that some people are doing to justify keeping leisure establishments open "because they fancy it" is utterly staggering. I'm not surprised at all that this is happening. "Not so cocky now", arista? Check back less than a few days and you'll find me talking about the utter ****ing madness of pubs being open, BEFORE there were pub-related outbreaks, and I was poo-poo'd away by people desperate to insist that they're vital community services because, apparently, pub culture is so deeply rooted in British culture that we're socially void without them. And here we are a couple of days later, multiple outbreaks linked to bars and pubs, but apparently I'm still wrong for? Other miscellaneous reasons. It'll be something else. Scottish people got complacent and aren't careful enough in pubs. It's nothing to do with the actual pubs.
Mind blowing.
arista
05-08-2020, 03:21 PM
[Up to 1,500 jobs to go at WHSmith over 'slow'
lockdown recovery]
https://news.sky.com/story/up-to-1-500-jobs-threatened-at-wh-smith-after-drop-in-customers-12042804
it doesn't make logical sense to close pubs because schools are open and only someone with a deep dislike for pubs in the first place would make that connection,
If infections rise as a result of schools opening, then something needs to happen with social distancing at schools. That would be the fundamental issue
Dogeatdog
05-08-2020, 03:29 PM
[Up to 1,500 jobs to go at WHSmith over 'slow'
lockdown recovery]
https://news.sky.com/story/up-to-1-500-jobs-threatened-at-wh-smith-after-drop-in-customers-12042804
Very sad news. Seeing as a lot of their stores are at airports it comes as no surprise that they are struggling.
caprimint
05-08-2020, 03:31 PM
Looks like a lovely venue
:joker::joker:
arista
05-08-2020, 03:45 PM
Very sad news. Seeing as a lot of their stores are at airports it comes as no surprise that they are struggling.
Yes many still have not opened
Better that than closing the pubs eh Ammi. We don't want sad lonely blokes to have to go without a cup of swill and an illusion that the bar staff are their friends. That would be tragic. Not to mention all of the quizzes, pool competitions and knitting clubs that would have to go without.
The mental gymnastics that some people are doing to justify keeping leisure establishments open "because they fancy it" is utterly staggering. I'm not surprised at all that this is happening. "Not so cocky now", arista? Check back less than a few days and you'll find me talking about the utter ****ing madness of pubs being open, BEFORE there were pub-related outbreaks, and I was poo-poo'd away by people desperate to insist that they're vital community services because, apparently, pub culture is so deeply rooted in British culture that we're socially void without them. And here we are a couple of days later, multiple outbreaks linked to bars and pubs, but apparently I'm still wrong for? Other miscellaneous reasons. It'll be something else. Scottish people got complacent and aren't careful enough in pubs. It's nothing to do with the actual pubs.
Mind blowing.
...this is all beneath you, TS...anyways and moving on....it was a genuine pondering about the schools, it wasn’t posed to be provocative...yes, more social venues have opened and now we’re having a rise ...but it’s still quite isolated, it seems...it’s obviously not school time atm so there would never be any ‘clusters’ linked to schools in the tracking...but they’re about to reopen in Scotland in a matter of days...so what will happen if there is a similar rise linked there...?..will they close down as is being suggested with pubs...?...schools do have restrictions in how ‘careful’ they’re allowed to be because wearing masks is something that isn’t deemed as conducive to a teaching environment...so health and safety have definite restrictions that other working environments don’t have...
arista
05-08-2020, 05:26 PM
Today 65 died.
UK Total Covid-19 Deaths :46,364
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Maybe the pubs being opened up was the best thing that could have happened because it has shown us that the virus is a lot more widespread than we thought and perhaps a bit safer than we thought.
If 59 or whatever the number of people turning up at one pub in Aberdeen as well as all the other ones we have heard of. The customers will have been following guidelines for the duration before hand..yet they all turn up with the virus.
For me that's a telling fact.
Coronavirus: Mayor of Luton Tahir Malik resigns after breaking lockdown rules by going to party...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-mayor-of-luton-tahir-malik-resigns-after-breaking-lockdown-rules-by-going-to-party-12043126
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Strictly Jake
06-08-2020, 05:33 AM
Can someone explain how when football matches are on the players can all get together in a huddle like one big hug arms round each others backs, face to face etc. Yet we cant hug our family when they come to visit?
Vanessa
06-08-2020, 05:44 AM
I've been to Eastbourne and the beaches weren't packed, so I could easily social distance.
Beautiful weather and the water is so clean.
I quite like the place, much better than Margate, which I found quite run down and dirty.
...this may have already been posted...
Coronavirus: Safety concerns halt use of 50 million NHS masks...
Fifty million face masks bought by the government in April will not be used in the NHS because of safety concerns.
The government says the masks, which use ear-loop fastenings rather than head loops, may not fit tightly enough.
They were bought for healthcare workers from supplier Ayanda Capital as part of a £252m contract.
Ayanda says the masks meet the specifications the government had set out. The government says its safety standards process is "robust".
It also emerged that the person who originally approached the government about the deal was a government trade adviser who also advises the board of Ayanda.
But he told the BBC his position played no part in the awarding of the contract.
..Full story...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841
.... pecuniary interest....yes indeed...
Nicky91
06-08-2020, 06:48 AM
Can someone explain how when football matches are on the players can all get together in a huddle like one big hug arms round each others backs, face to face etc. Yet we cant hug our family when they come to visit?
don't moan too much and these players are daily tested basically before training, matches
Can someone explain how when football matches are on the players can all get together in a huddle like one big hug arms round each others backs, face to face etc. Yet we cant hug our family when they come to visit?
Well footballers are being tested relentlessly apparently...
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joeysteele
06-08-2020, 07:51 AM
...this may have already been posted...
Coronavirus: Safety concerns halt use of 50 million NHS masks...
Fifty million face masks bought by the government in April will not be used in the NHS because of safety concerns.
The government says the masks, which use ear-loop fastenings rather than head loops, may not fit tightly enough.
They were bought for healthcare workers from supplier Ayanda Capital as part of a £252m contract.
Ayanda says the masks meet the specifications the government had set out. The government says its safety standards process is "robust".
It also emerged that the person who originally approached the government about the deal was a government trade adviser who also advises the board of Ayanda.
But he told the BBC his position played no part in the awarding of the contract.
..Full story...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841
Stinks to high heaven.
At least the concern has been alerted to and avoided the use of these masks.
Nothing should surprise as to the dealings of this government and others,not interested in real safety and protection but only in money and costs.
I'm surprised anyone is left not surprised at these dealings.
At least it's being sorted hopefully.
Also too, the government's safety standards on these vital protective masks should be robust.
So hopefully that's now really true at least too.
The ones I paid 5 quid for 5 throw away ones were ear loop...seemi gly safe enough to be worn whilst shopping.
Vanessa
06-08-2020, 08:05 AM
I like to use disposable ones. I find them much more comfortable
joeysteele
06-08-2020, 08:15 AM
I like to use disposable ones. I find them much more comfortable
I've ones you can wash, also ones my Mother has made too from old materials.
I do like the disposable ones too.
I guess I've just got used to them now, it's just a natural thing for me now to put one on when I head out or to the shop or store.
As you said a while back, it can be any facecovering, a scarf or whatever.
The issue with these masks not being adequate recently bought re the NHS, is these masks have to be safe and to the highest standard to be worn most or near all the day by Doctors, Nurses and other staff.
That's why the issue is important.
I've found everywhere I've been recently, no one not wearing a facecovering.
That's impressive.
Although someone I knew who was griping at buying them, had no problem handing over £20 for 40 cigarettes.
Unbelievable.
Nicky91
06-08-2020, 08:17 AM
here in Netherlands, still loads of people who do not wear any form of face covering
i mean just 15% wears a face covering in fact
most new cases comes from youth with their partying, most hospitalisations elderly bc of youth
no, and even if you had it once, you can get it again
Is that true?
Is that true?
It appears that you get some immunity for a few months or so but I haven’t seen any expert say it’s permanent immunity.
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I know this has already been discussed in here but seeing it in ‘print’ makes it more disturbing.
Surely there will be an enquiry ?
It smacks of someone taking a nice earner for themselves tbh
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Ministers wasted at least £150 million buying masks with the wrong kind of straps from a little-known family investment company, The Times can reveal.
Health officials signed a £252 million contract to buy masks for frontline healthcare staff from Ayanda Capital in April in a deal brokered by a government adviser who also advises the company’s board.
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there was a world wide shortage of masks in march/april. Everyone was saying why aren't the government buying more .... is anyone surprised the quality may be dodgy? Some realism required i think
France, Spain and Greece were among the European countries to record marked increases in new coronavirus cases on Wednesday, fuelling fears of a second spike in infections during the holiday season.
France added another 1,695 new cases within 24 hours, its highest number of daily coronavirus infections in more than two months, taking the total to 228,576.
In Spain, there were a further 1,772 infections during a 24-hour period, pushing the country’s total number of cases to 305,767.
Meanwhile in Greece, an additional 124 cases were detected in the last 24 hours, bringing the country’s total to 4,973.
Coronavirus cases have been on the rise since countries began to ease lockdown restrictions that sent the global economy into a tailspin.
As governments try to ease the economic damage caused by the pandemic, social-distancing measures designed to curb the virus are becoming harder to enforce.
joeysteele
06-08-2020, 10:24 AM
Funny that few other Nations have issues with so called dodgy protection equipment.
Where's our expert trading brains as to quality and best of terms.
Are we a leading Nation or not?
Vanessa
06-08-2020, 10:35 AM
Italy is doing well so far.
arista
06-08-2020, 12:20 PM
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arista
06-08-2020, 12:23 PM
For Slim
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Ryanair flights to Italy may be suspended after “repeated violations of the Covid-19 health regulations” by the budget airline, the country’s civil aviation authority has said.
The ENAC said on Wednesday that "Ryanair systematically does not comply" with the Italian government’s coronavirus rules.
"Not only is the obligation to distance passengers not respected, but the conditions for making an exception to that rule are also being ignored", the ENAC said in a statement.
If Ryanair continued to break the rules the ENAC would "suspend all air transport activities at national airports, requiring the carrier to re-route all passengers already in possession of tickets".
Ryanair rejected the accusations as “factually inaccurate” and defended its practices, which it argued are compliant with Covid-19 regulations.
Italy had a severe outbreak early on in the pandemic, but its incidence of new cases is currently far below that of other European countries.
arista
06-08-2020, 04:18 PM
Worse in Aberdeen Lockdown , Scotland
now 79 infected.
And loads of Coaches went through Aberdeen
asking the PM for money help.
arista
06-08-2020, 04:26 PM
Today 49 died
UK Covid-19 Total: 46,413
Our holiday abroad was cancelled at the beginning of the virus (understandable)
Now our lodge break in Aberdeen is looking very unlikely, we literally booked it Tuesday then Wednesday they got put back into lockdown :/
Our holiday abroad was cancelled at the beginning of the virus (understandable)
Now our lodge break in Aberdeen is looking very unlikely, we literally booked it Tuesday then Wednesday they got put back into lockdown :/
please let us know about any future holiday plans you have so we can avoid them :laugh:
please let us know about any future holiday plans you have so we can avoid them [emoji23]:joker:
Crimson Dynamo
06-08-2020, 04:51 PM
Josy i think your weekend break to Beruit may also be in jeopardy?
arista
06-08-2020, 05:17 PM
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arista
06-08-2020, 06:19 PM
950 UK Covid-19 Lab Tests today
Crimson Dynamo
06-08-2020, 06:22 PM
we just need to get on with it and stop the scaremongering
@Nicola
950 UK Covid-19 Lab Tests today
Allegedly ...
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arista
06-08-2020, 09:36 PM
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arista
06-08-2020, 09:41 PM
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arista
06-08-2020, 09:47 PM
[Coronavirus: Travellers from
Belgium,
Andorra, and
the Bahamas must quarantine in UK]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53687740
arista
06-08-2020, 10:31 PM
World Covid-19 Deaths above 10,000
159,864 USA deaths
97,256 Brazil deaths
49,698 Mexico deaths
46,498 United Kingdom deaths
40,699 India deaths
35,187 Italy deaths
30,308 France deaths
28,500 Spain deaths
20,228 Peru deaths
17,976 Iran deaths
14,579 Russia deaths
11,624 Colombia deaths
Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
arista
07-08-2020, 12:35 AM
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arista
07-08-2020, 12:36 AM
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Coronavirus: Chancellor Rishi Sunak warns of travel 'disruption' risk as France could be next on quarantine list...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-chancellor-rishi-sunak-warns-of-travel-disruption-risk-as-france-could-be-next-on-quarantine-list-12044162
Cherie
07-08-2020, 08:29 AM
Coronavirus: Chancellor Rishi Sunak warns of travel 'disruption' risk as France could be next on quarantine list...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-chancellor-rishi-sunak-warns-of-travel-disruption-risk-as-france-could-be-next-on-quarantine-list-12044162
UK looking good on that infection change graph, long may it continue
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Crimson Dynamo
07-08-2020, 01:19 PM
meanwhile the Aberdeen Saints game is off tomorrow as 2 Adberdeen lads have the virus from that fecking pub that the cluster came from
:rolleyes:
Nicky91
07-08-2020, 01:21 PM
yeah all those vile youth with their summer party's, going to the pub
if they can just stay at home (maybe we just lock them up at home) then maybe infection rate could decrease a lot again
user104658
07-08-2020, 03:15 PM
meanwhile the Aberdeen Saints game is off tomorrow as 2 Adberdeen lads have the virus from that fecking pub that the cluster came from
:rolleyes:LIES they got it from visiting family in their homes, that is the only place you can get Covid and pubs have been confirmed to be sterile environments. You can literally eat your dinner off a pub, they're squeaky clean.
This rhetoric about "pubs" is just more SNP dishonesty designed to make Boris Johnson look bad, or maybe some sort of stock market conspiracy against Wetherspoons.
Cherie
07-08-2020, 03:17 PM
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Love Karol Sikora, such a positive upbeat person :love:
arista
07-08-2020, 04:02 PM
[Coronavirus: Preston is latest UK city to see lockdown
tightened after increase in infection rate]
from Midnight tonight
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-preston-is-latest-uk-city-too-see-lockdown-tightened-after-increase-in-infection-rate-12044595
arista
07-08-2020, 05:19 PM
Documents today
say Hair stores with Visor's only
are not enough protection.
Its OK to have a mask under the Visor
but not a Visor on it's own.
Scotland has told all, today.
joeysteele
07-08-2020, 06:26 PM
Documents today
say Hair stores with Visor's only
are not enough protection.
Its OK to have a mask under the Visor
but not a Visor on it's own.
Scotland has told all, today.
Nicola Sturgeon has already accepted that point of visors and facecoverings.
It's our lot that's opened up the likes of hairdressers saying a visor is enough, even likely against the sage advice to it however.
arista
07-08-2020, 08:51 PM
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Another Place Number 10
Preston in Lockdown from midnight tonight.
arista
07-08-2020, 08:53 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/02/19/31481278-8585609-image-a-32_1596394545147.jpg
[You must not: Meet people you do not live with inside a
private home or garden, except where you have
formed a support bubble (or for other limited exemptions to be specified in law).
Visit someone else's home or garden even if they live outside of the affected areas.]
[You should not: Socialise with people you do not live with in
other indoor public venues – such as pubs, restaurants, cafes,
shops, places of worship, community centres, leisure and
entertainment venues, or visitor attractions.
Punishments: Fines, starting at £100 and halving to £50 if paid
in the first 14 days but doubling for subsequent offences.]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8604915/Preston-gets-lockdown.html
arista
07-08-2020, 09:39 PM
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arista
07-08-2020, 09:40 PM
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arista
07-08-2020, 09:40 PM
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arista
07-08-2020, 09:41 PM
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arista
07-08-2020, 09:42 PM
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...life is but a slogan...
‘Young people in Preston have been warned "don't kill granny" by the city's council as local lockdown measures were enforced following a spike in coronavirus cases.‘
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-young-people-warned-dont-kill-granny-as-lockdown-imposed-in-preston-12045017
arista
08-08-2020, 11:13 AM
...life is but a slogan...
‘Young people in Preston have been warned "don't kill granny" by the city's council as local lockdown measures were enforced following a spike in coronavirus cases.‘
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-young-people-warned-dont-kill-granny-as-lockdown-imposed-in-preston-12045017
Granny's in Preston
need to stay away from the kids.
They are spreading Covid-19.
Niamh.
08-08-2020, 11:48 AM
3 counties in Ireland are back on lockdown (not Cork thankfully) and the pubs reopening has been pushed back again, they were supposed to be allowed reopen on the 10th. Pubs serving food can stay open
user104658
08-08-2020, 12:25 PM
...life is but a slogan...
‘Young people in Preston have been warned "don't kill granny" by the city's council as local lockdown measures were enforced following a spike in coronavirus cases.‘
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-young-people-warned-dont-kill-granny-as-lockdown-imposed-in-preston-12045017Joke's on them - all of my grandparents have been dead for years so HAH. Off for a pint.
Nicky91
08-08-2020, 01:50 PM
Netherlands: Breaking news
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/08/former-rivm-chief-criticises-open-ended-dutch-approach-to-coronavirus/
former RIVM chief Roel Coutinho criticises dutch approach to coronavirus, and says we need to make the face coverings a must, ''don't look for evidence cuz there ain't any, try to show some balls, be brave and wear those masks''
Nicky91
08-08-2020, 01:56 PM
i agree so much with this former rivm chief, also people should have no freedom or a choice to wear face masks or not
you either wear face masks, or you just stay at home and that's that
arista
08-08-2020, 04:12 PM
3 counties in Ireland are back on lockdown (not Cork thankfully) and the pubs reopening has been pushed back again, they were supposed to be allowed reopen on the 10th. Pubs serving food can stay open
That's good.
So many would like to eat out
in Both Ireland and the UK.
arista
08-08-2020, 04:14 PM
Today 55 died
UK Covid-19 Death Total : 46,566
joeysteele
08-08-2020, 04:45 PM
Today 55 died
UK Covid-19 Death Total : 46,566
Another listing of risen death toll of around 350 in the last 5 days alone.
With 2 more days still to come in this current week, of although admittedly much lower recorded deaths over a weekend.
My thoughts are as always with the added further likely thousands, now grieving for lost loved ones.
arista
08-08-2020, 05:03 PM
[Half of Covid cases in newly-locked down Preston are under 30]
Some young do not care enough
[Half of Covid cases in newly-locked down Preston are under 30]
Some young do not care enough
They have done pretty well tbh.
arista
08-08-2020, 05:31 PM
Confirmed today 758 New Cases
Covid-19 in the UK
arista
08-08-2020, 05:37 PM
They have done pretty well tbh.
Not in Preston
Adrian Phillips Chief Executive Preston City Council
confirmed half of the new cases are people under 30.
Ch4HDnews interview.
They have done pretty well tbh.
They have, got to feel sorry for the young who are least affected by this virus but most impacted by the measures put in place to tackle it. Can hardly blame them for wanting to see friends now after everything they've sacrificed this summer
the number of outbreaks has been tiny compared to the amount that has been opened up, which means the vast majority must be adhering to social distancing. It's time people started concentrating on the positives rather than moaning at every opportunity
joeysteele
08-08-2020, 07:29 PM
the number of outbreaks has been tiny compared to the amount that has been opened up, which means the vast majority must be adhering to social distancing. It's time people started concentrating on the positives rather than moaning at every opportunity
I will.
When the deaths stop rising by hundreds weekly.
Crimson Dynamo
08-08-2020, 08:01 PM
the number of outbreaks has been tiny compared to the amount that has been opened up, which means the vast majority must be adhering to social distancing. It's time people started concentrating on the positives rather than moaning at every opportunity
Yep
The hysteria is ridiculous
As are the fake deaths
arista
08-08-2020, 10:37 PM
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arista
08-08-2020, 10:38 PM
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arista
08-08-2020, 10:39 PM
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arista
08-08-2020, 10:39 PM
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arista
08-08-2020, 10:42 PM
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user104658
08-08-2020, 11:38 PM
I'm not sure prioritising schools over pubs is a good idea. It doesn't seem to have been very well thought through.
...they knew enough to re-open pubs/restaurants etc, it was time they said...open and they shall come...and one by one they closed...
...they knew enough to re-open schools...it was time they said....
...as Boris turned to Dominic and whispered...’..this herd immunity....’....
arista
09-08-2020, 06:34 AM
...they knew enough to re-open pubs/restaurants etc, it was time they said...open and they shall come...and one by one they closed...
...they knew enough to re-open schools...it was time they said....
...as Boris turned to Dominic and whispered...’..this herd immunity....’....
Now Look
you are in the Teaching Industry
keep the kids separated, somehow
it's down to teachers to take control.
joeysteele
09-08-2020, 07:45 AM
...they knew enough to re-open pubs/restaurants etc, it was time they said...open and they shall come...and one by one they closed...
...they knew enough to re-open schools...it was time they said....
...as Boris turned to Dominic and whispered...’..this herd immunity....’....
I think there's a lot of substance in your post Ammi.
I really believe dangerous games, with NOT the right planning at all.
Are being played with lives.
The government cannot just instruct and then not plan and in fact not lead.
Words are cheap and easy.
They're good on those, not on the right and proper and safe action however.
Your post mentions herd immunity, I think that was one of their plans at the start.
It may well be again now.
I'll keep me and mine safe, my way.
Not this government's dangerous game playing way.
It's said people would have died anyway.
Deaths are overexagerrated.
In fact they're under estimated, the believed figure is more like over 60,000 deaths not 46,000.
Yes people have terminal illnesses which will one day, months or years time take their lives.
Yes pneumonia can kill normally, however many survive treated quickly, when antibiotics kick in.
My own Grandparent survived pneumonia many years ago, in his 80s.
The vulnerably sick, with health conditions and even terminal illnesses, are going to lose their lives due to those illnesses.
However the point is, they are losing their lives BEFORE their time once they get this detestable and cruel virus.
To those who love their families and friends, extra weeks, months or even years are very precious..
To say these deaths are because of those other health conditions, and not hastened by contracting this virus, is insulting in the very least to those fighting to survive despite those other health conditions.
It's insulting too, to those left bereaved, mourning the losses of those loved ones that covid has helped end the lives of sooner than was to be.
This virus is gross.
It's time we got the full truth on all figures and also were shown the advice given, with what advice has been accepted only by government and what advice has been discarded.
Also why any advice is discarded too.
Just because it maybe didn't fit the government agenda doesn't make it right to discard it.
Hundreds are still losing their lives due to contracting this virus every week.
Therefore their lives taken before their time.
That all happening still at this time in England particularly is shocking.
Oops, that's in my view before I get into bother or ridiculed for generalising.
Alternatively, we could all live our lives, taking care to protect ourselves and stop dwelling on negatives constantly, which as it happens, is a proven unhealthy pastime
...one of the crazy things is...?....the pubs and restaurants were already ‘sacrificed’ at the beginning of June...and through June and July, were they not...?...they weren’t open then when Boris admitted that it may not be possible for all schools to open for all pupils at all times etc because of serious concerns for staff/pupil/parent safety...he couldn’t ‘make it fit’ no matter how much he told us it would fit because it didn’t fit and that’s the sum and measure of it...now school opening time is approaching, in Scotland, any day now....and apparently in this unchanging world that we’re constantly told to adapt to..?..it now fits...allegedly...
smudgie
09-08-2020, 08:23 AM
Alternatively, we could all live our lives, taking care to protect ourselves and stop dwelling on negatives constantly, which as it happens, is a proven unhealthy pastime
Yes, I think it’s the way forward for me at least.
My daughter is home for the first time in 6 months, she came in with a visor, no thanks, I wanted a proper hug as well thank you very much.
Lots of sanitiser at the ready.
For the first time ever, both my kids and their partners are here for a family meal later on, can’t wait.
arista
09-08-2020, 08:25 AM
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I think the biggest mistake that world leaders is use the word Lockdown".When we in the west use it we think of China and doors being welded to keep them in.I live in Kildare in Ireland that is under "Lockdown"Went shopping with my husband Sat morning..wore facemascks...washed our hands.then came home ..had some lunch ..marinated the meat for our later BBQ,then got back in the car with our youngest child "15" and our dogs ,spent 2hrs in Donadea forest...came home had a few beer and a BBQ..normal weekend for us ...but then the word "Lockdown in " used
Nicky91
09-08-2020, 09:00 AM
i agree the word ''lockdown'' is used too often, while in some places it isn't really a real lockdown
also for my opinion too, here in my country too far too little measures, and leaving local mayors, city councils with those responsibilities (hope i spelled that one correct) which is wrong, for something like this serious, governments need to step things up and put health of all people under their first priorities
the reopening in summer was wrong, we know this now however in their defense those governments also didn't know this beforehand of course, since we know so little about this virus, but that makes this very dangerous and reopening was careless/reckless to think about economies over health
i agree the word ''lockdown'' is used too often, while in some places it isn't really a real lockdown
also for my opinion too, here in my country too far too little measures, and leaving local mayors, city councils with those responsibilities (hope i spelled that one correct) which is wrong, for something like this serious, governments need to step things up and put health of all people under their first priorities
the reopening in summer was wrong, we know this now however in their defense those governments also didn't know this beforehand of course, since we know so little about this virus, but that makes this very dangerous and reopening was careless/reckless to think about economies over health
sadly Nicky
joeysteele
09-08-2020, 09:30 AM
i agree the word ''lockdown'' is used too often, while in some places it isn't really a real lockdown
also for my opinion too, here in my country too far too little measures, and leaving local mayors, city councils with those responsibilities (hope i spelled that one correct) which is wrong, for something like this serious, governments need to step things up and put health of all people under their first priorities
the reopening in summer was wrong, we know this now however in their defense those governments also didn't know this beforehand of course, since we know so little about this virus, but that makes this very dangerous and reopening was careless/reckless to think about economies over health
Strong points there Nicky.
I agree.
Your last paragraph very strong on its content particularly.
i agree the word ''lockdown'' is used too often, while in some places it isn't really a real lockdown
also for my opinion too, here in my country too far too little measures, and leaving local mayors, city councils with those responsibilities (hope i spelled that one correct) which is wrong, for something like this serious, governments need to step things up and put health of all people under their first priorities
the reopening in summer was wrong, we know this now however in their defense those governments also didn't know this beforehand of course, since we know so little about this virus, but that makes this very dangerous and reopening was careless/reckless to think about economies over health
I am more than shocked at listening to some here in Co.Kildare..the use of the word "scamdemic" is quite common...186 new cases in Ireland yesterday 110 was in Kildare i trully don't get how folk can be so complaciante
I am no fan of Boris..But he is right when he says"Whack a mole"
Stamp this virus out when it spikes
Cherie
09-08-2020, 09:58 AM
I am more than shocked at listening to some here in Co.Kildare..the use of the word "scamdemic" is quite common...186 new cases in Ireland yesterday 110 was in Kildare i trully don't get how folk can be so complaciante
I can’t understand the complacency, the latest suggestion here is people who went on holiday abroad and may have to quarantine should be compensated...yes take the risk...go on holiday and you will be paid to sit at home for another two weeks by those who didn’t risk going away :facepalm:
:fist:I can’t understand the complacency, the latest suggestion here is people who went on holiday abroad and may have to quarantine should be compensated...yes take the risk...go on holiday and you will be paid to sit at home for another two weeks by those who didn’t risk going away :facepalm:
Truly frustating Cherie. because some have no cop on then we will have to suffer
do people not understand that they are being played by the press to be outraged
Cherie
09-08-2020, 10:32 AM
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Truly frustating Cherie. because some have no cop on then we will have to suffer
Farce at its finest..:laugh: also they want the government to make a decision in France but if the numbers don’t warrant it how can they do that...maybe ask the public to make a decision for themselves and accept the consequences, seems that’s too much to ask ...
Cherie
09-08-2020, 10:33 AM
do people not understand that they are being played by the press to be outraged
I actually thought it was a trolling press headline then saw someone on the news this morning actually suggesting it :joker:
Nicky91
09-08-2020, 10:33 AM
do people not understand that they are being played by the press to be outraged
so you're basically one of those who think covid is fake news or a joke?
that the press is making all of this up?
Farce at its finest..:laugh: also they want the government to make a decision in France but if the numbers don’t warrant it how can they do that...maybe ask the public to make a decision for themselves and accept the consequences, seems that’s too much to ask ...
That's it Cherie...It is just common sense .If they didn't put us in Laois ,Offfaly and Kildare in "Lockdown" then Q's would have been asked later why didn't they.crazy why can't adults take their own responspility
Cherie
09-08-2020, 10:57 AM
That's it Cherie...It is just common sense .If they didn't put us in Laois ,Offfaly and Kildare in "Lockdown" then Q's would have been asked later why didn't they.crazy why can't adults take their own responspility
What makes me laugh is stay at home on furlough...yes we will listen to the government
Social distance, don’t visit numerous families, stay away from crowds, use you common sense...nah not having that :laugh:
user104658
09-08-2020, 11:07 AM
so you're basically one of those who think covid is fake news or a joke?
that the press is making all of this up?It's mainly an anti-pubgoer conspiracy Nicky, designed to replace good old fashioned British values with a new world order. We don't want the "new normal" though, we were happy with good old fashioned bog standard normal dammit, and that's what the politicians JUST don't UNDERSTAND.
It's mainly an anti-pubgoer conspiracy Nicky, designed to replace good old fashioned British values with a new world order. We don't want the "new normal" though, we were happy with good old fashioned bog standard normal dammit, and that's what the politicians JUST don't UNDERSTAND.
are you going for the record of how many times you can mention disgusting pubs when out of thousands a couple have been closed due to incidents? You are obsessed ... it's not healthy
user104658
09-08-2020, 11:17 AM
are you going for the record of how many times you can mention disgusting pubs when out of thousands a couple have been closed due to incidents? You are obsessed ... it's not healthyHealthier than catching Covid at the pub :shrug:
What makes me laugh is stay at home on furlough...yes we will listen to the government
Social distance, don’t visit numerous families, stay away from crowds, use you common sense...nah not having that :laugh:
I don't think Micheal Martin even understands he is taoisech .It is what he wanted all his life..but he fails
Nicky91
09-08-2020, 12:39 PM
my mom more has a good laugh at all those protesters/anti-maskers, whom also call themselves ''Viruswaanzin - VirusMadness''
arista
09-08-2020, 06:44 PM
Today 8 died
Total Covid-19 UK deaths: 46,574
UK New cases 1,062
arista
09-08-2020, 09:42 PM
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user104658
09-08-2020, 09:53 PM
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They think the real number is 10x reported, so 55 million cases (17% of population)? And a death rate of under 0.3%? Nah. Wishful thinking tbqfh. Death rate of around 0.8% is much more realistic, which would put total US cases at 20 mil (4x official, not 10x).
It would be great news if the 55 million figure was accurate though.
arista
09-08-2020, 11:54 PM
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09-08-2020, 11:56 PM
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arista
09-08-2020, 11:58 PM
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arista
09-08-2020, 11:59 PM
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arista
09-08-2020, 11:59 PM
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...so the, we need to get the schools all back fully, even if we have to close everything else to do so..’...isn’t necessarily going to happen, then...?...I mean, it never could have...(...and I’m absolutely on board with schools being fully working again but it has to be safe for everyone...)...most schools couldn’t function to full capacity and on roll children in June and July when the pubs/restaurants etc were closed...so why would September be a month where they could if only we closed everything else down.../...just silly Boris nonsense again...
i don't think schools is a one size fits everyone scenario and it never was. Decisions have to be taken locally and local resources don't want to be responsible for those decisions, which I fully understand. That to me is the crux of the issue
arista
10-08-2020, 07:04 AM
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user104658
10-08-2020, 07:52 AM
most schools couldn’t function to full capacity and on roll children in June and July when the pubs/restaurants etc were closed...so why would September be a month where they could if only we closed everything else down.../...just silly Boris nonsense again...
Because rates in the community were so high in June that there was a high risk of children bringing Covid contamination (either asymptomatic themselves or on contaminated items of clothing) into school where it might be passed around and taken home. Transmission rates in the community are now low enough for it to be relatively safe to return to schools and workplaces with precautions. In order for that to continue, we need to keep community infection rates down. Opening up the pubs (now evidently) increases community infection rates and increases the risk of there being Covid in the home, which in turn increases the risk of it being passed around via kids. The risk of it being passed around via kids in a school is still far lower than by intoxicated adults in a bar, and unlike getting intoxicated in a bar, school is a social function of ACTUAL high importance, rather than selfish/imaginary high importance like The Local.
A question for you, Ammi, if you'll indulge a hypothetical:
Let's say schools being open is a given. It's definitely happening, no debate, kids and teachers are going to be there in class interacting.
Would you be more comfortable getting close to Little Timmy if his parents had been at home watching Netflix all weekend... Or if they had left him with a babysitter to go and do the hokey-pokey with 10 mates and 100 strangers at the pub?
I personally feel like the answer here is obvious but I'm repeatedly being told that it isn't.
we should always get back to basics. Everything is safe if there is adequate social distancing. To me the issue is that the government have caved much too quickly on reducing that requirement in both travel and hospitality and even schools. We can't get away from the simple fact that social distancing is the single most important factor and excuses and waivers around that should be what people are complaining about.
Because rates in the community were so high in June that there was a high risk of children bringing Covid contamination (either asymptomatic themselves or on contaminated items of clothing) into school where it might be passed around and taken home. Transmission rates in the community are now low enough for it to be relatively safe to return to schools and workplaces with precautions. In order for that to continue, we need to keep community infection rates down. Opening up the pubs (now evidently) increases community infection rates and increases the risk of there being Covid in the home, which in turn increases the risk of it being passed around via kids. The risk of it being passed around via kids in a school is still far lower than by intoxicated adults in a bar, and unlike getting intoxicated in a bar, school is a social function of ACTUAL high importance, rather than selfish/imaginary high importance like The Local.
A question for you, Ammi, if you'll indulge a hypothetical:
Let's say schools being open is a given. It's definitely happening, no debate, kids and teachers are going to be there in class interacting.
Would you be more comfortable getting close to Little Timmy if his parents had been at home watching Netflix all weekend... Or if they had left him with a babysitter to go and do the hokey-pokey with 10 mates and 100 strangers at the pub?
I personally feel like the answer here is obvious but I'm repeatedly being told that it isn't.
...because the answer isn’t ‘obvious’...well I don’t think that my answer would be as obvious as you feel it would be for you...I’ve been close to Little Timmy thoughout while both of his parents were on a medical front line team and in contact with the virus daily...there is no way that you could feel ‘less comfortable’ than that, than that direct contact...and I don’t know which Little Timmy’s have been to the pub themselves or have been to a park and had any contact or have been to a beach or etc...?..I can’t think like that, how could I think like that...I would probably be unable to do my job if I did...Little Timmy is there, right in my face...I don’t know what contact he’s had/his parents have had/his siblings have had etc...But what I do know..?..is that I want to feel more safe than I did toward the end of term when many parents became less careful with safety as they became used to ‘a normal school day’ again...and in the classrooms when we’re unable to get outside, I’d like to wear a mask ...but that Just is t possible...
Cherie
10-08-2020, 08:46 AM
Indoor soft play areas open in Wales today, if they can open, schools can too
Headteachers have had a lot of time now to think about how they will proceed, temp checks on the way in, regular hand washing, being innovative at playtime, time to get on board with children going back now
Cherie
10-08-2020, 08:49 AM
...because the answer isn’t ‘obvious’...well I don’t think that my answer would be as obvious as you feel it would be for you...I’ve been close to Little Timmy thoughout while both of his parents were on a medical front line team and in contact with the virus daily...there is no way that you could feel ‘less comfortable’ than that, than that direct contact...and I don’t know which Little Timmy’s have been to the pub themselves or have been to a park and had any contact or have been to a beach or etc...?..I can’t think like that, how could I think like that...I would probably be unable to do my job if I did...Little Timmy is there, right in my face...I don’t know what contact he’s had/his parents have had/his siblings have had etc...But what I do know..?..is that I want to feel more safe than I did toward the end of term when many parents became less careful with safety as they became used to ‘a normal school day’ again...and in the classrooms when we’re unable to get outside, I’d like to wear a mask ...but that Just is t possible...
Why is that not possible though, teachers could wear visors, and so could the kids in all honesty, most would probably welcome the novelty value for a while at at any rate? is there a 'no mask' rule in place, if there is it should be reconsidered especially in winter when 'wet play' is more prevalent
Jessica.
10-08-2020, 09:19 AM
I got my second covid test yesterday, it was brutal, the swab ended up bloody. I've been ill for over a week now, loads of symptoms. Did my first test last Monday but it was negative, the virus has a long incubation period so they tested me again.
Mystic Mock
10-08-2020, 09:31 AM
I got my second covid test yesterday, it was brutal, the swab ended up bloody. I've been ill for over a week now, loads of symptoms. Did my first test last Monday but it was negative, the virus has a long incubation period so they tested me again.
Well hopefully the results of the second test turn out to be good news like the first test was.
user104658
10-08-2020, 09:32 AM
Why is that not possible though, teachers could wear visors, and so could the kids in all honesty, most would probably welcome the novelty value for a while at at any rate? is there a 'no mask' rule in place, if there is it should be reconsidered especially in winter when 'wet play' is more prevalent
I think the reasons for not having masks are pretty flimsy to be honest, they're not based on much more than "a feeling". I understand it for young children who A) wouldn't reliably wear one (properly) themselves and B) Don't really understand the situation which complicates things.
But for older kids at say 8 or 9+ I can see absolutely no reason at all stopping both kids and teachers wearing masks. Like I said, the reasoning against it is a bit flimsy. Older kids understand what they're for, are used to seeing them, and in my experience will wear them quite happily.
My view is that they are just over complicating things way too much. Social distance everyone, if that means the capacity drops to a point where they are in 2 days a week rather than 5, so be it. Get a baseline that is sustainable and then take it from there after a suitable trial period
Indoor soft play areas open in Wales today, if they can open, schools can too
Headteachers have had a lot of time now to think about how they will proceed, temp checks on the way in, regular hand washing, being innovative at playtime, time to get on board with children going back now
I don't know the situation in the UK Cherie ..but the school situation here in Ireland is a disaster waiting to happen,,Headteachers and teachers in general have no acsess to info that the goverrment get..My 3 sons are in their 20's but it is vital that my 15 yrold daughter get's back to school,They are been told to get on with it.My daughters class is 27 ..no social distancing .It is an all girl catholic school.What happens when one girl starts coughing and sneezing?She will be sent home and maybe classmates too,Gave my 27 yr old so a kick in the anckles yesterday when he told our 15yr old to cough like mad when she get's back to school
joeysteele
10-08-2020, 10:00 AM
I got my second covid test yesterday, it was brutal, the swab ended up bloody. I've been ill for over a week now, loads of symptoms. Did my first test last Monday but it was negative, the virus has a long incubation period so they tested me again.
Please take care.
I hope your tests all come back negative Jessica.
Also hope you're feeling better very soon too.
user104658
10-08-2020, 10:05 AM
My view is that they are just over complicating things way too much. Social distance everyone, if that means the capacity drops to a point where they are in 2 days a week rather than 5, so be it. Get a baseline that is sustainable and then take it from there after a suitable trial period
The thing is though bots, if you have a focus on regaining any sort of economic normality, the simple elephant in the room is that many (if not most) parents can't properly return to work full time without schools being open 5 days, and if workplaces are ramping back up, there's only so long they'll be able to retain staff who have low availability. Not everyone has work flexibility, not everyone has family childcare options.
As I've said before, I consider my own circumstances to be very lucky in that I can work entirely from home indefinitely. I know quite a lot of people who are struggling to make it work and are already under pressure from their employers. If I was still in my old job, we'd be ****ed.
Also again you realistically have an age limit on social distancing and it's probably even older than the mask issue. Kids at 10+ you MIGHT be able to get to MOSTLY comply. Younger kids, it would be like herding cats. Just not realistically feasible to get them to do it. Impractical to work it that way at all for primary schools to be honest... and let's face it, even teenagers would be challenging.
The thing is though bots, if you have a focus on regaining any sort of economic normality, the simple elephant in the room is that many (if not most) parents can't properly return to work full time without schools being open 5 days, and if workplaces are ramping back up, there's only so long they'll be able to retain staff who have low availability. Not everyone has work flexibility, not everyone has family childcare options.
As I've said before, I consider my own circumstances to be very lucky in that I can work entirely from home indefinitely. I know quite a lot of people who are struggling to make it work and are already under pressure from their employers. If I was still in my old job, we'd be ****ed.
Also again you realistically have an age limit on social distancing and it's probably even older than the mask issue. Kids at 10+ you MIGHT be able to get to MOSTLY comply. Younger kids, it would be like herding cats. Just not realistically feasible to get them to do it. Impractical to work it that way at all for primary schools to be honest... and let's face it, even teenagers would be challenging.
i think we are not giving young kids enough credit. They learn things very quickly. I think adults are just muddying the water by saying young kids would never social distance
Niamh.
10-08-2020, 10:16 AM
I don't know the situation in the UK Cherie ..but the school situation here in Ireland is a disaster waiting to happen,,Headteachers and teachers in general have no acsess to info that the goverrment get..My 3 sons are in their 20's but it is vital that my 15 yrold daughter get's back to school,They are been told to get on with it.My daughters class is 27 ..no social distancing .It is an all girl catholic school.What happens when one girl starts coughing and sneezing?She will be sent home and maybe classmates too,Gave my 27 yr old so a kick in the anckles yesterday when he told our 15yr old to cough like mad when she get's back to school
What year is she going in to Lime? My son was supposed to be doing the Junior Cert in June, he was delighted when it was cancelled though :laugh: Luckily he's going into Transition Year in September (although he's devastated that his fun year will probably have nothing fun going on because of this.
Also, his school is in an old building, narrow corridors etc, no way they will all be able to go back and social distance. I do have some sympathy for those trying to find a solution for this though, what are they supposed to do?
user104658
10-08-2020, 10:22 AM
i think we are not giving young kids enough credit. They learn things very quickly. I think adults are just muddying the water by saying young kids would never social distance
It's not about learning... you could teach them to stay socially distant from the teachers but as soon as adult eyes are off of them they're not going to distance from each other. It's so unlikely that it's in the realms of fantasy; teenagers weren't even socially distancing in public at the peak of lockdown.
Just to add to that though - kids haven't had to socially distance from each other in public for months here and there have been zero indication that it's a problem so :shrug:. Although, of course, that's outdoors so maybe that's where the difference lies.
Cherie
10-08-2020, 10:25 AM
I don't know the situation in the UK Cherie ..but the school situation here in Ireland is a disaster waiting to happen,,Headteachers and teachers in general have no acsess to info that the goverrment get..My 3 sons are in their 20's but it is vital that my 15 yrold daughter get's back to school,They are been told to get on with it.My daughters class is 27 ..no social distancing .It is an all girl catholic school.What happens when one girl starts coughing and sneezing?S
:laugh: will there be testing in place, that is the answer really
user104658
10-08-2020, 10:28 AM
What year is she going in to Lime? My son was supposed to be doing the Junior Cert in June, he was delighted when it was cancelled though :laugh: Luckily he's going into Transition Year in September (although he's devastated that his fun year will probably have nothing fun going on because of this.
Also, his school is in an old building, narrow corridors etc, no way they will all be able to go back and social distance. I do have some sympathy for those trying to find a solution for this though, what are they supposed to do?
I think that's the murky truth here to be honest. We can go on pretending that education is something that can be "put on pause" for a year or more without severe and drastic consequences but it's just not the case. The aftershocks of just the three months before summer are going to be felt for years to come.
What year is she going in to Lime? My son was supposed to be doing the Junior Cert in June, he was delighted when it was cancelled though :laugh: Luckily he's going into Transition Year in September (although he's devastated that his fun year will probably have nothing fun going on because of this.
Also, his school is in an old building, narrow corridors etc, no way they will all be able to go back and social distance. I do have some sympathy for those trying to find a solution for this though, what are they supposed to do?
Same here Niamh..She was to The junior cert and is due to start Transition year Aug 31st. I do feel for them ..if goverments globally can't find a solution .why is it left in the hand's of teachers?I must say I like transition year..book list is very light
Niamh.
10-08-2020, 10:49 AM
Same here Niamh..She was to The junior cert and is due to start Transition year Aug 31st. I do feel for them ..if goverments globally can't find a solution .why is it left in the hand's of teachers?I must say I like transition year..book list is very light
They don't even get a book list in our school for TY which is great. I've not gotten my sons uniform or track suit yet either. there was talk of maybe only getting a track suit this year, would be such a waste of money to buy both if they're not going to be going in for part of the week, I'm holding off buying anything until they give us some more information.
How did your daughter feel about the JC being cancelled?
The thing is though bots, if you have a focus on regaining any sort of economic normality, the simple elephant in the room is that many (if not most) parents can't properly return to work full time without schools being open 5 days, and if workplaces are ramping back up, there's only so long they'll be able to retain staff who have low availability. Not everyone has work flexibility, not everyone has family childcare options.
As I've said before, I consider my own circumstances to be very lucky in that I can work entirely from home indefinitely. I know quite a lot of people who are struggling to make it work and are already under pressure from their employers. If I was still in my old job, we'd be ****ed.
Also again you realistically have an age limit on social distancing and it's probably even older than the mask issue. Kids at 10+ you MIGHT be able to get to MOSTLY comply. Younger kids, it would be like herding cats. Just not realistically feasible to get them to do it. Impractical to work it that way at all for primary schools to be honest... and let's face it, even teenagers would be challenging.
...but that’s it though, it’s not about safety, it’s about economy and that’s why it’s nonsense to talk about ‘sacrificing pubs or restaurants’ or whatever ...because risk assessments can’t be done in the way they can and are for other working environments...there is no long term thought either because how can they not imagine that the stress for school staff isn’t going to escalate to an extent that schools may not be able to operate anyway...
...but that’s it though, it’s not about safety, it’s about economy and that’s why it’s nonsense to talk about ‘sacrificing pubs or restaurants’ or whatever ...because risk assessments can’t be done in the way they can and are for other working environments...there is no long term thought either because how can they not imagine that the stress for school staff isn’t going to escalate to an extent that schools may not be able to operate anyway...
what angers me is that they keep saying they are following the science when nothing could be further from the truth. The science for protecting people couldnt be more simple
Jessica.
10-08-2020, 11:08 AM
Take care
Well hopefully the results of the second test turn out to be good news like the first test was.
Please take care.
I hope your tests all come back negative Jessica.
Also hope you're feeling better very soon too.
Thanks guys, it will be such a relief if this second test is negative!
...you take care, Jess..:hug:...and let us know the results, yeah...
what angers me is that they keep saying they are following the science when nothing could be further from the truth. The science for protecting people couldnt be more simple
...it’s all so disingenuous and manipulative and we deserved science, we deserved the truth...
They don't even get a book list in our school for TY which is great. I've not gotten my sons uniform or track suit yet either. there was talk of maybe only getting a track suit this year, would be such a waste of money to buy both if they're not going to be going in for part of the week, I'm holding off buying anything until they give us some more information.
How did your daughter feel about the JC being cancelled?
She was not bothered at all..in fact she had a giggle about it.She would wind up her brothers who all sat the JC of how they had to sit it.Still she completed her online work and came out with a B score .I'm allright with that.Yeah will not be buying a new tracksuit ATM but uniform wise I have to because in her school once you pass 3rd year jumper ,skirt and socks change.I'm in Kildare so don't know which way things will go.The Dub's are having a great laugh at us...All around Ireland people were saying don't let the Dub's in ..and now it's us in kildare Offaly and Laois that are the hotspot's
:love::love::love:Thanks guys, it will be such a relief if this second test is negative!
user104658
10-08-2020, 11:23 AM
...but that’s it though, it’s not about safety, it’s about economy and that’s why it’s nonsense to talk about ‘sacrificing pubs or restaurants’ or whatever ...because risk assessments can’t be done in the way they can and are for other working environments...there is no long term thought either because how can they not imagine that the stress for school staff isn’t going to escalate to an extent that schools may not be able to operate anyway...
It's the same black-and-white thinking though, that we have "safety" on one hand and "economy/other stuff" on the other hand. Essentially the idea that has swept the world that the only danger out there any more is Covid. Simply saying "we're just not going to do education any more for the foreseeable future, because people might catch covid" is NOT safe at all for children. Saying "we'll just all stay home and not think about the economy for now, because people might catch Covid" is NOT safe at all - for anyone. We already know that there have been 16,000 excess deaths caused by Covid lockdown that are otherwise absolutely nothing to do with Covid and in the years to come, we're going to find out the hard way that this is the absolute tip of the iceberg.
I've been saying from the beginning that it's not a black and white matter of "economy vs safety". An economic collapse will kill more people than Covid. Shutting down the schools indefinitely will affect more lives than Covid and in ways we can't even predict yet, as well as having a drastic economic knock-on effect. These huge, sweeping social experiments are NOT safe AT ALL, it's an illusion, and one that people buy into because they understand the simplicities of "a virus being dangerous" but not the complex structures that are keeping us all alive day-to-day... the ones we take for granted and assume we can just pop aside for a while and not be flirting with catastrophe.
Which brings me full circle to why we need to resume the necessities - medical and health services, schools, higher education, shops, general workplaces - and to mitigate SOME of that it would be sensible to accept that we can't have some of the indoor luxuries and leisure for a while - pubs & clubs, dining-in, cinemas, other leisure activities. We don't need them. People WANT them - there is a huge difference. There are countless alternatives. There is no realistic or reasonable alternative to kids being at school.
I've been accused of this coming from a place of "what's best for me" but that's not the case at all either. I have no practical necessity for the kids being out of the house, I'm here anyway. I've gotten used to them being around, for ME I'd happily keep them here. I have a TONNE of various anxieties about them going back but the options are non-existent... education is one of the fundamental pillars of society. Up there with the absolute basics like food production and healthcare. It's that simple.
Cherie
10-08-2020, 11:29 AM
i think we are not giving young kids enough credit. They learn things very quickly. I think adults are just muddying the water by saying young kids would never social distance
completely agree, I think we are total underestimating how quickly young kids adapt, and as for Miss or Sir wearing a visor they would find it funny rather than scary
Cherie
10-08-2020, 11:30 AM
oh good luck Jess, that second test sounds horrific :omgno: I would imagine a bit like when you have blood taken you end up with a huge bruise or no bruise depending on how skilled the person taking the blood is
It's the same black-and-white thinking though, that we have "safety" on one hand and "economy/other stuff" on the other hand. Essentially the idea that has swept the world that the only danger out there any more is Covid. Simply saying "we're just not going to do education any more for the foreseeable future, because people might catch covid" is NOT safe at all for children. Saying "we'll just all stay home and not think about the economy for now, because people might catch Covid" is NOT safe at all - for anyone. We already know that there have been 16,000 excess deaths caused by Covid lockdown that are otherwise absolutely nothing to do with Covid and in the years to come, we're going to find out the hard way that this is the absolute tip of the iceberg.
I've been saying from the beginning that it's not a black and white matter of "economy vs safety". An economic collapse will kill more people than Covid. Shutting down the schools indefinitely will affect more lives than Covid and in ways we can't even predict yet, as well as having a drastic economic knock-on effect. These huge, sweeping social experiments are NOT safe AT ALL, it's an illusion, and one that people buy into because they understand the simplicities of "a virus being dangerous" but not the complex structures that are keeping us all alive day-to-day... the ones we take for granted and assume we can just pop aside for a while and not be flirting with catastrophe.
Which brings me full circle to why we need to resume the necessities - medical and health services, schools, higher education, shops, general workplaces - and to mitigate SOME of that it would be sensible to accept that we can't have some of the indoor luxuries and leisure for a while - pubs & clubs, dining-in, cinemas, other leisure activities. We don't need them. People WANT them - there is a huge difference. There are countless alternatives. There is no realistic or reasonable alternative to kids being at school.
I've been accused of this coming from a place of "what's best for me" but that's not the case at all either. I have no practical necessity for the kids being out of the house, I'm here anyway. I've gotten used to them being around, for ME I'd happily keep them here. I have a TONNE of various anxieties about them going back but the options are non-existent... education is one of the fundamental pillars of society. Up there with the absolute basics like food production and healthcare. It's that simple.
...but no one ever expected an either/or though, TS...no one I know, did...and school staff..(...for the most part..)...want to be back doing what they love with full capacity schools...but it can’t be at the ‘sacrifice’ of safety...how is that okay and yet pubs/restaurants etc aren’t okay because they can’t offer that safety...I mean that’s just hugely flawed from the off and never, ever going to get the economy going again ...because no workplace through this has continued to operate with disregarding safety procedures that we all know are working...(..or so we’ve been told...)...
Niamh.
10-08-2020, 11:33 AM
She was not bothered at all..in fact she had a giggle about it.She would wind up her brothers who all sat the JC of how they had to sit it.Still she completed her online work and came out with a B score .I'm allright with that.Yeah will not be buying a new tracksuit ATM but uniform wise I have to because in her school once you pass 3rd year jumper ,skirt and socks change.I'm in Kildare so don't know which way things will go.The Dub's are having a great laugh at us...All around Ireland people were saying don't let the Dub's in ..and now it's us in kildare Offaly and Laois that are the hotspot's
:laugh:
I actually drove through Kildare a few days ago, we were staying in Wicklow for a few days staycation
Cherie
10-08-2020, 11:35 AM
:laugh:
I actually drove through Kildare a few days ago, we were staying in Wicklow for a few days staycation
:omgno: I hope you didn't have the windows down sucking in the air :laugh:
Jessica.
10-08-2020, 11:35 AM
...you take care, Jess..:hug:...and let us know the results, yeah...
:love::love::love:
oh good luck Jess, that second test sounds horrific :omgno: I would imagine a bit like when you have blood taken you end up with a huge bruise or no bruise depending on how skilled the person taking the blood is
Thanks guys.
Yes Cherie, I think it's different every time depending on who is taking your test and the anatomy of your nose. I've had one of those bad blood tests before too and it does seem similar.
user104658
10-08-2020, 11:35 AM
completely agree, I think we are total underestimating how quickly young kids adapt, and as for Miss or Sir wearing a visor they would find it funny rather than scary
I don't think they'd struggle to adapt to masks I just think young kids would fiddle with them / stick their hands under them / forget to put them on / absentmindedly take them off. It's more the social distancing aspect that I think is totally unrealistic for young kids. You're expecting them to not only remember that it's a thing at all times, but also to accurately be able to assess what a 2m distance is. You could have it as a "loose" rule to try to remember to keep some distance from people but you couldn't enforce it strictly or punitively, it just wouldn't be a reasonable expectation.
I also think there's a strong potential for psychological harm in refusing to allow children to have physical contact with each other for a prolonged period of time, but that's (sort of) another debate.
It's the same black-and-white thinking though, that we have "safety" on one hand and "economy/other stuff" on the other hand. Essentially the idea that has swept the world that the only danger out there any more is Covid. Simply saying "we're just not going to do education any more for the foreseeable future, because people might catch covid" is NOT safe at all for children. Saying "we'll just all stay home and not think about the economy for now, because people might catch Covid" is NOT safe at all - for anyone. We already know that there have been 16,000 excess deaths caused by Covid lockdown that are otherwise absolutely nothing to do with Covid and in the years to come, we're going to find out the hard way that this is the absolute tip of the iceberg.
I've been saying from the beginning that it's not a black and white matter of "economy vs safety". An economic collapse will kill more people than Covid. Shutting down the schools indefinitely will affect more lives than Covid and in ways we can't even predict yet, as well as having a drastic economic knock-on effect. These huge, sweeping social experiments are NOT safe AT ALL, it's an illusion, and one that people buy into because they understand the simplicities of "a virus being dangerous" but not the complex structures that are keeping us all alive day-to-day... the ones we take for granted and assume we can just pop aside for a while and not be flirting with catastrophe.
Which brings me full circle to why we need to resume the necessities - medical and health services, schools, higher education, shops, general workplaces - and to mitigate SOME of that it would be sensible to accept that we can't have some of the indoor luxuries and leisure for a while - pubs & clubs, dining-in, cinemas, other leisure activities. We don't need them. People WANT them - there is a huge difference. There are countless alternatives. There is no realistic or reasonable alternative to kids being at school.
I've been accused of this coming from a place of "what's best for me" but that's not the case at all either. I have no practical necessity for the kids being out of the house, I'm here anyway. I've gotten used to them being around, for ME I'd happily keep them here. I have a TONNE of various anxieties about them going back but the options are non-existent... education is one of the fundamental pillars of society. Up there with the absolute basics like food production and healthcare. It's that simple.
Yet you talk up the importance of the economy while also saying that some of the biggest employment sectors in this country are luxuries we can do without. Millions and millions of jobs and livelihoods depend on these things that we don't 'need'.
It seems to have just been assumed that we can't have x without forsaking y when there is little evidence to say that's the case or little thought given to alternative solutions. Its a false dichotomy
user104658
10-08-2020, 11:39 AM
...but no one ever expected an either/or though, TS...no one I know, did...and school staff..(...for the most part..)...want to be back doing what they love with full capacity schools...but it can’t be at the ‘sacrifice’ of safety...how is that okay and yet pubs/restaurants etc aren’t okay because they can’t offer that safety...I mean that’s just hugely flawed from the off and never, ever going to get the economy going again ...because no workplace through this has continued to operate with disregarding safety procedures that we all know are working...(..or so we’ve been told...)...
I don't know how to be clearer other than to say that there's a balance of safety concerns for both, but that pubs/restaurants etc. aren't OK simply because they are completely unnecessary. Opening schools is a necessary risk because education is essential. Opening pubs and restaurants is flawed there's no need to take any risk at all with them. They're nice to have but they are leisure activities - they are ENTIRELY non-essential and could be economically propped up by other means.
arista
10-08-2020, 11:40 AM
Some Great news for Strong Jess.
user104658
10-08-2020, 11:42 AM
Yet you talk up the importance of the economy while also saying that some of the biggest employment sectors in this country are luxuries we can do without. Millions and millions of jobs and livelihoods depend on these things that we don't 'need'.
It seems to have just been assumed that we can't have x without forsaking y when there is little evidence to say that's the case or little thought given to alternative solutions. Its a false dichotomy
Optional leisure sectors could (and should) be financially secured by the government for as long as necessary. The solution there isn't complicated at all. The Tories will pretend that doing that would not be financially viable, but that is a flat out lie, the bulk of GDP is not dependent on the service sector at all, individual livelihoods are but they could be supported more or less indefinitely.
I don't know how to be clearer other than to say that there's a balance of safety concerns for both, but that pubs/restaurants etc. aren't OK simply because they are completely unnecessary. Opening schools is a necessary risk because education is essential. Opening pubs and restaurants is flawed there's no need to take any risk at all with them. They're nice to have but they are leisure activities - they are ENTIRELY non-essential and could be economically propped up by other means.
...I can’t agree with you..(..regarding your stance on pubs/restaurants etc...)...and I doubt it’s something we’ll ever agree on because I think it’s all linked....safety/economy etc and everything has a place in that chain linking because without a huge chunk of it, the economy is already falling...to try to make it work, that’s the whole point, we have to make it work...adaptions, yes...closures, no...
...see, I don’t know how to make it clearer either, TS...:laugh:..I completely don’t agree with you...
Optional leisure sectors could (and should) be financially secured by the government for as long as necessary. The solution there isn't complicated at all. The Tories will pretend that doing that would not be financially viable, but that is a flat out lie, the bulk of GDP is not dependent on the service sector at all, individual livelihoods are but they could be supported more or less indefinitely.
Disagree, I think the idea of indefinitely financing a dormant sector and keeping millions of people on permanent furlough really would cripple the economy and most likely mean the death of hundreds of establishments. The knock on effect would be massive beyond hospitality and also affect agriculture, food and drink production, tourism, general retail etc. and for what? Because apparently we can't have hospitality and education at the same time even though schools might not even increase the transmission of the virus. Even though in many areas of the UK community transmission is incredibly low. Local measures have been put in place effectively in the last few weeks to combat spikes but now we should go back to one size fits all slapdash policies because we don't really need leisure activities and can all stay inside watching telly in our free time instead
:laugh:
I actually drove through Kildare a few days ago, we were staying in Wicklow for a few days staycation
My husband and myself love Bray Co Wicklow.The food and athmosphere is great..had plans to go on Sunday..I love Seaworld and my husband loves the casinos.
To my shame I couldn't understand Irish folk" using the word "Lokdown"
Thought how can so many spell it wrong?Then I hrs later copped on...The L ..O and K stand for Laois 'Offaly and Kildare
arista
10-08-2020, 12:03 PM
...see, I don’t know how to make it clearer either, TS...:laugh:..I completely don’t agree with you...
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/10/12/31772158-0-image-a-17_1597057727392.jpg
Niamh.
10-08-2020, 12:04 PM
My husband and myself love Bray Co Wicklow.The food and athmosphere is great..had plans to go on Sunday..I love Seaworld and my husband loves the casinos.
To my shame I couldn't understand Irish folk" using the word "Lokdown"
Thought how can so many spell it wrong?Then I hrs later copped on...The L ..O and K stand for Laois 'Offaly and Kildare
:laugh2: Very good I hadn't seen that
Yeah Bray is lovely, as is Greystones
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/10/12/31772158-0-image-a-17_1597057727392.jpg
...did I hit, did I get him, Arista...my archery isn’t that polished atm and TS is a slippery little devil...
Cherie
10-08-2020, 12:09 PM
Optional leisure sectors could (and should) be financially secured by the government for as long as necessary. The solution there isn't complicated at all. The Tories will pretend that doing that would not be financially viable, but that is a flat out lie, the bulk of GDP is not dependent on the service sector at all, individual livelihoods are but they could be supported more or less indefinitely.
I don't think they would do well with the surgical type mask but with a visor type they could customise, make it a fun task (oh I am sounding like Nicky :omgno: , I think most would be fine
Some 97,000 American children tested positive with Covid-19 in the last two weeks of July, according to a new study and The New York Times.
The American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children’s Hospital Association, who conducted the research, said at least 338,000 children have tested positive since the pandemic began.
It means that more than a quarter tested positive in the last two weeks of July, alone.
That comes after Donald Trump claimed last week that "Children are almost, and I would almost say definitely, but almost immune from this disease".
Those comments - which he posted on Facebook and Twitter - were later labelled as "Covid misinformation".
:laugh2: Very good I hadn't seen that
Yeah Bray is lovely, as is Greystones
Glendalough,:amazed::amazed:
Niamh.
10-08-2020, 12:12 PM
Glendalough,:amazed::amazed:
:love:
We actually stayed just outside Blessington, beautiful place
Cherie
10-08-2020, 12:15 PM
Glendalough,:amazed::amazed:
Georgeous neck of the woods Lime
user104658
10-08-2020, 12:17 PM
Disagree, I think the idea of indefinitely financing a dormant sector and keeping millions of people on permanent furlough really would cripple the economy and most likely mean the death of hundreds of establishments. The knock on effect would be massive beyond hospitality and also affect agriculture, food and drink production, tourism, general retail etc. and for what? Because apparently we can't have hospitality and education at the same time even though schools might not even increase the transmission of the virus. Even though in many areas of the UK community transmission is incredibly low. Local measures have been put in place effectively in the last few weeks to combat spikes but now we should go back to one size fits all slapdash policies because we don't really need leisure activities and can all stay inside watching telly in our free time instead
If your imagination for keeping entertained is limited to "telly or pub" then I suppose I can understand your resistance to them staying closed.
Also, let's say you are correct, and a huge proportion of our economy and general way of life and being hinges on bars and pubs. To me, that's a fairly damning & depressing reflection on our society and "traditions" and maybe you're right that we need to keep that afloat as a "necessary evil". For me personally, it's not something to be proud of or to uphold as something that we should maintain at all costs. Pubs being the dominant source of all adult leisure activity in the UK is not unexpected but it is extremely bleak. I am aware that you disagree, but... really.
Leisure expenditure is of excess income and if people aren't spending it at the pub they will be spending it in other areas of the economy. It doesn't evaporate.
....gosh TS...I really hadn’t got you as a snob but that’s how it’s appearing...all for academics/education and down with those pub dwellers, they’re a bit low in the pecking order of humans...I’m going to leave this because these conversations rarely get anywhere other than where it seems headed...(...some and many pubs...)...are a huge part of a community...both economically and socially...I need to get out into the sun, I think...
...might go to the pub actually...I can do that...
:love:
We actually stayed just outside Blessington, beautiful place
love the lakes in Blessington...so peacefull
Georgeous neck of the woods Lime
True Cherie
user104658
10-08-2020, 12:50 PM
....gosh TS...I really hadn’t got you as a snob but that’s how it’s appearing...all for academics/education and down with those pub dwellers, they’re a bit low in the pecking order of humans...I’m going to leave this because these conversations rarely get anywhere other than where it seems headed...(...some and many pubs...)...are a huge part of a community...both economically and socially...I need to get out into the sun, I think...
Prioritising education and academics over pubs is the bar for snobbery now? Seriously?
If so then yes I am a snob. With all other factors out of the equation I have no problem with people enjoying pubs or any other leisure activity they happen to enjoy; I do think it lacks imagination if people can't think of an alternative.
But if we're talking "pecking order" and choices/prioritisation then yes, education comes above (far, far above) ANY optional adult leisure activity of any kind and I'm flabberghasted that anyone would imagine there's a decent argument to the contrary. I've yet to see one offered up other than "that's offensive" and "but I like the pub". That it's a heavily populated employment industry IS a half-decent argument but really does not play into this "pecking order" argument.
Schools are above pubs in the pecking order. Yes. 100%. ffs.
If your imagination for keeping entertained is limited to "telly or pub" then I suppose I can understand your resistance to them staying closed.
Also, let's say you are correct, and a huge proportion of our economy and general way of life and being hinges on bars and pubs. To me, that's a fairly damning & depressing reflection on our society and "traditions" and maybe you're right that we need to keep that afloat as a "necessary evil". For me personally, it's not something to be proud of or to uphold as something that we should maintain at all costs. Pubs being the dominant source of all adult leisure activity in the UK is not unexpected but it is extremely bleak. I am aware that you disagree, but... really.
Leisure expenditure is of excess income and if people aren't spending it at the pub they will be spending it in other areas of the economy. It doesn't evaporate.
I didn't actually mention pubs once in my post as I was talking about an entire sector which you have dismissed as 'unnecessary' which includes cafes, restaurants, cinema, entertainment venues, presumably theatres, museums and any number of other things that are just 'leisure'. I'm not sure why spending on non-essential retail is worthwhile and necessary but spending on hospitality is not
user104658
10-08-2020, 01:02 PM
I didn't actually mention pubs once in my post as I was talking about an entire sector which you have dismissed as 'unnecessary' which includes cafes, restaurants, cinema, entertainment venues, presumably theatres, museums and any number of other things that are just 'leisure'. I'm not sure why spending on non-essential retail is worthwhile and necessary but spending on hospitality is not
There is persistent and increasing evidence that people in a pub environment allow essential things like social distancing and hand hygiene to slip once alcohol starts to come into the equation, and we also know that staff are powerless to enforce compliance. We can keep ignoring that and pretending that this is not the case, that there's no difference between pubs and bars and other places where precautions can be taken, but it would take a lot to convince me that it isn't largely cognitive dissonance from people who don't want it to be the case. It's not that non-essential retail, or cafes, theatres, museums are more worthwhile than pubs but the question is "worthwhile vs risk". If people were getting too relaxed, letting their guard down, getting physically close and forgetting to wash their hands after three pints at the museum then yes that would be a problem too but it isn't the case. It IS the case in pubs whether people like that or not. It is the case whether you and your friends are being careful or not. A large enough proportion of patrons are letting the protective measures slip and that's enough.
There is persistent and increasing evidence that people in a pub environment allow essential things like social distancing and hand hygiene to slip once alcohol starts to come into the equation, and we also know that staff are powerless to enforce compliance. We can keep ignoring that and pretending that this is not the case, that there's no difference between pubs and bars and other places where precautions can be taken, but it would take a lot to convince me that it isn't largely cognitive dissonance from people who don't want it to be the case. It's not that non-essential retail, or cafes, theatres, museums are more worthwhile than pubs but the question is "worthwhile vs risk". If people were getting too relaxed, letting their guard down, getting physically close and forgetting to wash their hands after three pints at the museum then yes that would be a problem too but it isn't the case. It IS the case in pubs whether people like that or not. It is the case whether you and your friends are being careful or not. A large enough proportion of patrons are letting the protective measures slip and that's enough.
where is the evidence for people not social distancing in pubs? or is it something that is being assumed to fit a narrative?
There is hard evidence of people not social distancing when visiting others homes, and action has been taken on that.
Just to put it in perspective, I last visited a pub at Christmas, and the time before that was the previous Christmas, so I have no invested interest in pubs being open, but I don't think they should be singled out for negative treatment unless there is hard evidence that pubs are causing a problem and 2 pubs closing is not evidence.
user104658
10-08-2020, 01:31 PM
where is the evidence for people not social distancing in pubs? or is it something that is being assumed to fit a narrative?
There is hard evidence of people not social distancing when visiting others homes, and action has been taken on that.
Just to put it in perspective, I last visited a pub at Christmas, and the time before that was the previous Christmas, so I have no invested interest in pubs being open, but I don't think they should be singled out for negative treatment unless there is hard evidence that pubs are causing a problem and 2 pubs closing is not evidence.
I'm not actually advocating for closing them all right this minute; I think there are serious concerns that are being brushed under the carpet for other reasons (public morale seems likely) and my concern, really, is that a close eye won't be kept on it because of "what we want to be the case" vs "what is actually happening". A couple closing is not a mandate to close them all, it IS an indication that it's a situation in need of monitoring and that we should at the very least be open to the possibility of closing optional leisure services (of any kind) over closing other essential services like non-covid healthcare and education services. There seems to be a huge push-back against that that I just don't really understand.
So I'm not saying close all the doors immediately - my concern is that excuses will be made to the point where the doors won't be closed until after the horse has bolted... something that we have seen repeatedly in the last 6 months.
I think the track & trace app is meant to be moving today but considering I work for it I haven’t received any info.
There is persistent and increasing evidence that people in a pub environment allow essential things like social distancing and hand hygiene to slip once alcohol starts to come into the equation, and we also know that staff are powerless to enforce compliance. We can keep ignoring that and pretending that this is not the case, that there's no difference between pubs and bars and other places where precautions can be taken, but it would take a lot to convince me that it isn't largely cognitive dissonance from people who don't want it to be the case. It's not that non-essential retail, or cafes, theatres, museums are more worthwhile than pubs but the question is "worthwhile vs risk". If people were getting too relaxed, letting their guard down, getting physically close and forgetting to wash their hands after three pints at the museum then yes that would be a problem too but it isn't the case. It IS the case in pubs whether people like that or not. It is the case whether you and your friends are being careful or not. A large enough proportion of patrons are letting the protective measures slip and that's enough.
I would say it's been fairly isolated, yes there's been outbreaks around a few pubs just as there's been outbreaks around lots of settings but nationwide the pubs have been open for over a month now and cases are at the same level they were when they opened even allowing for the small rise recently which is just as much to do with increased targeted testing as it is a genuine rise in community transmission. If you're saying that schools and pubs can't both exist without there being a big rise in cases across the whole country then there needs to be evidence for that but most studies I've seen have said that reopening schools does not lead to a notable increase in the transmission of the virus and that local lockdowns can tackle any rise successfully
Captain.Remy
10-08-2020, 02:54 PM
Sooooo we have a few cases at work, I've been in contact with one of them in a meeting last week. So my team and I are stuck at home, still working though.
And today they announced the whole company will be taking shifts for homeworking: 1 group at work for a week, next week at home etc
Tests results came back today, I'm negative. We all wore masks during the meeting, but I was sitting next to the person that tested positive two days later. A relief!
PS: thank God I have aircon at home, the weather is burning right now :joker:
Sooooo we have a few cases at work, I've been in contact with one of them in a meeting last week. So my team and I are stuck at home, still working though.
And today they announced the whole company will be taking shifts for homeworking: 1 group at work for a week, next week at home etc
Tests results came back today, I'm negative. We all wore masks during the meeting, but I was sitting next to the person that tested positive two days later. A relief!
PS: thank God I have aircon at home, the weather is burning right now :joker:
....awwww, thank goodness your test came back okay...you keep safe and enjoy your new schedule and your gorgeous home air conditioning...:love:...
arista
10-08-2020, 04:10 PM
UK 85 Deaths
UK Total Covid-19 Deaths 46,659
arista
10-08-2020, 04:42 PM
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arista
10-08-2020, 11:57 PM
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arista
10-08-2020, 11:59 PM
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arista
11-08-2020, 12:02 AM
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arista
11-08-2020, 12:02 AM
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arista
11-08-2020, 12:03 AM
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arista
11-08-2020, 12:04 AM
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Liam-
11-08-2020, 12:10 AM
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Just a little snapshot of schools opening across the pond
James
11-08-2020, 01:14 AM
How are pupils going to study for next year's exams if they don't go back to school this year.
If they don't go back in the Autumn it probably won't be until next year, which means almost a whole year lost.
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...I never understand who these polls are that ‘reveal’ these things...of course, parents have fears because we all have fears about various different aspects...I mean, we’re living our days with a deadly virus...but when our academy ‘polled’ parents...as in when the years started to come back at the end of last term...parents were virtually 100% in favour of their children returning...(..despite any fears...)....it’s going to be challenging and there are safety measures that I’d like to be put into place but won’t be, unfortunately...but schools don’t need that sort of media reporting and ‘polls’ just stoking fears...they need support from the media with their polls for a time that’s going to be quite challenging...
the media have done way more harm than good during the pandemic. They should be ashamed of themselves
Coronavirus: 730,000 have lost their job since lockdown began...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-730-000-have-lost-their-job-since-lockdown-began-12046850
Cherie
11-08-2020, 07:31 AM
the media have done way more harm than good during the pandemic. They should be ashamed of themselves
Completely agree, the reporting at times has been nothing short of negligent
Cherie
11-08-2020, 07:32 AM
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Cal wandering the country aimlessly knocking on doors :sad:
Cal wandering the country aimlessly knocking on doors :sad:
Cal: Do you have covid?
Person at door: No
Cal: Who is your all time favourite BB housemate..
joeysteele
11-08-2020, 07:55 AM
Coronavirus: 730,000 have lost their job since lockdown began...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-730-000-have-lost-their-job-since-lockdown-began-12046850
Really sad although expected and much worse to come it's feared once the furlough scheme is ended soon.
I fear for older workers than those in their 30s now losing their jobs.
I mean people in their late 40s and 50s.
Who may find other opportunities not available to them either.
I don't envy any government now charged with trying to rebuild not only the economy but also the whole social elements of society from care to everything else.
I hope, this lot are up to the challenge.
Because this is the next massive test to them.
I'll hold my thoughts in as to if I think they will be up to it.
I'm trying to visualise too, towns and cities, where businesses are now just giving up and closing.
It's not just the loss of lives cost and the devastating grief of loved ones losing their family and friends that this hateful virus has affected.
It's also going to be those in what was their work and building their futures who now losing their jobs, pride and dignity, who will also suffer massively from the legacy of this virus.
...I know a few people who are part of the track and trace as well and they’re being paid but basically aren’t doing anything...so this ‘radical shake up..’ is a bit confusing and conflicting in what they’re saying...all of these phone calls that aren’t being replied to, aren’t being made...which would be why they’re not being replied to, I strongly suspect...anyways, yeah media is a bitch...but the lies from our government and misleading information is a bitch also...
...gots ta get my daily appreciation of Boris in...:laugh:..
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