Coronavirus Outbreak

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[bots]

The R number for coronavirus has fallen to between 0.9 and 1 for the first time since mid-August, which means the epidemic is thought to be no longer growing.

[arista]

The R number for coronavirus has fallen to between 0.9 and 1 for the first time since mid-August, which means the epidemic is thought to be no longer growing.


Yes that's now
can it stay justy below R?

[arista]

521 : have Died today

57,551 Total Deaths.

16,022 today have caught Covid-19.


Patients in hospital
16,064

Patients on ventilation
1,456


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[arista]

Graham Brady Conservative MP
does not want Tier 3.

But again even if he gets MP's to block a vote on this,
next week
it's been reported Johnson's Bill will go through
with the help of the Labour Party.

[arista]

Ch4HDnews is in Bristol.

Who do want to be in Tier 3.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

it is lockdown 3 in all but name, particularly for those in tier 3, and its even more frustrating knowing my area has had a consistent low infection rate and still we end up in tier 3 with no valid justification for closing the pubs and restaurants. People are going to break the rules in those circumstances, and I cant blame them

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Sounds like an episode from Upstairs Downstairs. :)


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[joeysteele]

Graham Brady Conservative MP
does not want Tier 3.

But again even if he gets MP's to block a vote on this,
next week
it's been reported Johnson's Bill will go through
with the help of the Labour Party.


Yes, and I agree that Labour will and should support this bill.

The only thing I'm not happy about is this 5 day relaxation over Christmas.

I wonder however, will he throw out the parliamentary party those MPs of his who may vote against these proposals.
As he did so many last year.

Somehow I doubt it, which will show his doing so last year was purely being vindictive.
Not a good look for any PM.

Then again, as was the case in recent years as to Corbyn facing revolt by his own MPs, it's not a good look alienating your own MPs.

In the end however, I doubt Con backbenchers who shout a lot but don't follow up with rebellious action, even if they believe they're right, will actually dare to in any major numbers vote against his policy here again.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: second wave might last until March

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Celebrating Christmas in a group is a major worry, infection chief says

The head of public health institute RIVM has told a television current affairs show that he expects Christmas will celebrated in small groups this year.

‘For the past two weeks, the infection rate has been falling slightly, but is stagnating,’ Jaap van Dissel told Nieuwsuur. ‘This means healthcare services are still being hard hit. And although there has been a drop in the number of hospital patients, it is still very slow and difficult.’

By next spring, however, when vaccinations are available, things will change, he said. And if enough people accept the vaccine, then sufficient group immunity may have been built up by the summer to allow life to return to normal, Van Dissel told the programme.

The cabinet is due to flesh out the rules for Christmas and New Year on December 8. If new intensive care admissions was below 10 a day, Van Dissel said he and other experts in the government’s Management Outbreak Team would have recommended changes to the current ‘three visitors at home’ rule.

‘But now the figures have stagnated, we are very concerned about whether this will be the case by Christmas,’ he said.

‘If you celebrate Christmas in a group, then that can act as a catalyst to spread the virus further,’ he said. ‘A week later you have New Year, and everyone who picked up the virus at Christmas will spread it then. And that means in January you have the potential for a lot more cases.’

In order to reach some level of group immunity, 60% to 70% of the population would have to agree to be vaccinated. But research indicates that around half the population will not do that.

‘This worries me,’ Van Dissel said. ‘I would hope people would embrace the vaccine because at the moment it is the only way to get out of this pandemic.’

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/celebrating-christmas-in-a-group-is-a-major-worry-infection-chief-says/

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[Alf]

Protest in London due to start at 12 o clock.

Police have warned them to stay at home.

Rumour has it that the football lads are going.

Should be interesting!

I reckon they'll be a live feed from right in the heart of the protest.

[Cherie]

Wales going back into stricter measures, people really are just thick it seems

[Cherie]

Protest in London due to start at 12 o clock.

Police have warned them to stay at home.

Rumour has it that the football lads are going.

Should be interesting!

I reckon they'll be a live feed from right in the heart of the protest.

Urgh why couldn’t they gather in Hull outside your house preferably!

[arista]

Protest in London due to start at 12 o clock.

Police have warned them to stay at home.

Rumour has it that the football lads are going.

Should be interesting!

I reckon they'll be a live feed from right in the heart of the protest.



I hope they go Live on SkyNewsHD

[Alf]

I hope they go Live on SkyNewsHDIf I find a live stream, I'll post it on here if you want to watch?

[arista]

If I find a live stream, I'll post it on here if you want to watch?


Good One

[Cherie]

If I find a live stream, I'll post it on here if you want to watch?

Are you not going yourself Alf?

[arista]

Are you not going yourself Alf?


No he is not
but on his thread "London protests"
he has put a Live Link.

Fella (Live Mobile)checked by 2 coppers
said he is legit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuNXE0El6rE
A Live Feed
posted by Alf on his thread

[bots]

people will rebel against something they perceive as unfair. The government can't do squat if the people decide restrictions are too much

[Zizu]

people will rebel against something they perceive as unfair. The government can't do squat if the people decide restrictions are too much



On Sky now .. none of the protesters wearing masks ..


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[arista]

On Sky now .. none of the protesters wearing masks ..


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Yes Some had masks
on the Early Live Feed
but not many,

[arista]

Today 479 have died

58,030 Total deaths

Patients in hospital
15,712


Patients on ventilation
1,417

15,871 Tested for Covid-19 today


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Alf]

Are you not going yourself Alf?You must be joking? It looks crazy there in London. Different World to where I live. You wouldn't catch me up that way, without good reason.

[joeysteele]

It was said at the start of this pandemic, that 20,000 total deaths would have been a 'good' result.
Hardly could I call any deaths as good, however.

Even on the government's altered recording of death figures of only 28 day deaths after diagnosis.
Here in this second wave the UK is pretty close to reaching over 20,000 deaths then.

Scandalous.

[arista]

Tomorrows Cartoon

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[MTVN]

Wales the only part of the UK cases increasing now

[joeysteele]

Wait until after 2nd December despite the tier system in place.
The 3 weeks running up to Christmas.
Then the 5 day more relaxation over Christmas.

Then the lead up to New Year too.

Let's see where the infections and deaths go again after that.

The vaccine isn't coming that fast to assist in these imminent periods.

One hopes for any and all success however I think this coming period to and over Christmas could prove to be the most dangerous yet.
Although I sincerely hope not.

Way too many thousands have already died unnecessarily.
In my view

[Beso]

Many elderly and vulnerable just dont give a ****..and want xmas with families.

Let the individuals decide.

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[arista]

From Marr
BBC1HD,
Labours Lisa Nandy MP
claims Labour will want proper payments
to all people that isolate, or it will never work
as many who are told to isolate,
can not afford to stop going to work.


The Vote on these new Tiers
is this Tuesday in Parliament.

[joeysteele]

From Marr
BBC1HD,
Labours Lisa Nandy MP
claims Labour will want proper payments
to all people that isolate, or it will never work
as many who are told to isolate,
can not afford to stop going to work.


The Vote on these new Tiers
is this Tuesday in Parliament.


I agree with her.

I don't know what happened to no one should lose out for doing the right thing.

[arista]

Patients in hospital
15,712

Patients on ventilation
1,417

215 Died today

58,245 Total UK deaths.

12,155 Tested for Covid-19 today.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[hijaxers]

Many elderly and vulnerable just dont give a ****..and want xmas with families.

Let the individuals decide.

I'm not sure yiu are right there, every local tv broadcast asking people in street seems that people are not as gungho about it at all. We will be 2 sadly but has to be done.

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Nicola Sturgeon has defended her government's handling of the pandemic as statistics show Scotland's Covid death rate rose higher than England's in recent weeks.

Figures show there were 50.5 deaths per million in Scotland in the week to 15 November, compared to 40.6 in England.

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Maybe goddess Nicola isnt doing so well after all

[arista]

Nicola Sturgeon has defended her government's handling of the pandemic as statistics show Scotland's Covid death rate rose higher than England's in recent weeks.

Figures show there were 50.5 deaths per million in Scotland in the week to 15 November, compared to 40.6 in England.

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Maybe goddess Nicola isnt doing so well after all



Yes this was on Yesterday's Marr BBC1HD
at the end of the show.
She also did not like Marr
telling her, that Johnson Prime Minister
will prevent her referendum dream.
He will stand in her way.

[user104658]

Nicola Sturgeon has defended her government's handling of the pandemic as statistics show Scotland's Covid death rate rose higher than England's in recent weeks.

Figures show there were 50.5 deaths per million in Scotland in the week to 15 November, compared to 40.6 in England.

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Maybe goddess Nicola isnt doing so well after allScotland peaked later, comparing the same week when the curves don't overlap is some seriously creative stats :joker:.

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[Vanessa]

I'm definitely having thus vaccine.
I want to go back to a normal life.
Go on holiday when I want to, hug my loved ones.

[Vanessa]

Nicola Sturgeon has defended her government's handling of the pandemic as statistics show Scotland's Covid death rate rose higher than England's in recent weeks.

Figures show there were 50.5 deaths per million in Scotland in the week to 15 November, compared to 40.6 in England.

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Maybe goddess Nicola isnt doing so well after all
I think at the moment the UK is handling it better.

[joeysteele]

She's handled it far better overall in my view, and more compassionately too, particularly as to the losses of lives which sadly are higher in her Nation now at this precise moment in time, not all through.
She has also informed more clearly and kept doing so more regularly too.

Things have gone on a downturn in Scotland it seems over the last weeks.

I'd still trust Nicola Sturgeon more than our government or any wider UK party too.

I'd have at least felt more informed by Nicola Sturgeon all through and that's why I'd put my confidence in her still.

The North East of England and Scotland came later to the effects of the pandemic.
I think in the end, Nicola Sturgeon will be shown to have done her very best all through.
Marr likes to get at Female guests, he's usually very soft on an old pals act when he talks to Con Ministers.
It's why I don't watch him now.

Far from hammering Nicola Sturgeon though, she answered in her own states-person like manner, with her usual passion and compassion on the losses of lives..
A sharp contrast from Johnson and his henchmen and women.

I see this morning we have George Useless, ( a deliberate wrong spelling of his name there), doing the rounds today..
Another one who just waffles and gives no real even sensible answers.

(George Eustace, unbelievably smug and ignorant as usual then).

[Cherie]

Care home deaths in Scotland are running at 47%
Care home deaths in England ...still far too high at 30% but if it the situations were reversed we would hear a lot more about it, that is how stupid politics is at the moment



Wales going back into tighter restrictions as cases are rising again

what a kick in the teeth to businesses who had to shut down during the firebreak

[arista]

Care home deaths in Scotland are running at 47%
Care home deaths in England ...still far too high at 30% but if it the situations were reversed we would hear a lot more about it, that is how stupid politics is at the moment



Wales going back into tighter restrictions as cases are rising again

what a kick in the teeth to businesses who had to shut down during the firebreak


This Lockdown has Worked
in getting the numbers down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55124286

[Cherie]

This Lockdown has Worked
in getting the numbers down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55124286

The last lockdown worked as well Arista, but once we reopen if people don't modify their behaviour we will be back in again in January, as we are seeing now in Wales just a few weeks after their firebreak

I think that is part of the problem, people thinking lockdown is the be all and end all when it isn't

[arista]

Yes Wales to close pubs from 6PM on Friday

Live TV news



[COVID-19: Welsh pubs and restaurants banned from selling alcohol and must close at 6pm]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-welsh-pubs-and-restaurants-banned-from-selling-alcohol-and-must-close-at-6pm-12147111

[arista]

In England a Scotch Egg
is a Meal OK for Pubs.

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[COVID-19: What is a substantial meal?
Minister says scotch egg counts as pubs brace for tier change]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-is-a-substantial-meal-minister-says-scotch-egg-counts-as-pubs-brace-for-tier-change-12143814

[user104658]

In England a Scotch Egg
is a Meal OK for Pubs.

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[COVID-19: What is a substantial meal?
Minister says scotch egg counts as pubs brace for tier change]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-is-a-substantial-meal-minister-says-scotch-egg-counts-as-pubs-brace-for-tier-change-12143814

Interesting fact arista: Did you know that Scotch Eggs are actually laid by pigs?

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['What's the restaurant doing allowing all those people in?' Piers Morgan
and Lorraine Kelly slam Rita Ora for flouting lockdown
rules after singer 'hosted packed 30th birthday bash'

The singer, 30, is said to have invited 30 friends to a party
at Casa Cruz in London on Saturday
The eatery was named after Chile-born Juan Santa Cruz,
who resigned as restaurateur in February
The restaurant's director Nicholas Fallows said
that he hadn't been aware of any plans for an
event and the restaurant was 'owned by shareholders'
Current guidelines state that restaurants should be shut,
apart from takeaways
People outside their household bubbles are
also not supposed to meet indoors
MailOnline has contacted Rita's representatives
for a comment
The Met Police: Police were called at 21:10hrs
on Saturday, 28 November to reports of a
potential breach of Covid regulations
at a commercial premises in Clarendon Road, W11
'Officers attended and carried out enquiries
at the scene. They found no record of
any offence being committed']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9000791/Piers-Morgan-Lorraine-Kelly-slam-Rita-Ora-flouting-lockdown-rules.html

[joeysteele]

The thing is we don't really know the actual death figures from covid.
Johnson has messed about with the reported actual death figures.

It's ludicrous if any of us had a loved one diagnosed with covid on November 1st.
However if they didn't die until today.
Then they wouldn't be included as a covid death on the UK government's ordered recording of deaths.
Scandalous.

So I don't trust the UK government figures on much of anything to be frank.

I better not mention my personal losses again but I know for sure who and which government I hold responsible for those losses.
There's only one deceitful candidate for that from me.

[reece(:]

Hospitality continuing to take the brunt of the burden of restrictions re. Wales.

[Cherie]

Hospitality continuing to take the brunt of the burden of restrictions re. Wales.

It's criminal at this stage, and it's only some areas that have a high infection rate, as well, so I don't know why they are applying a blanket approach

[arista]

The SNP Leader Sturgeon
is Live on the news TV
giving her conference speech.

She has admitted making mistakes.

[Alf]

The SNP Leader Sturgeon
is Live on the news TV
giving her conference speech.

She has admitted making mistakes.It's not really a time to be making mistakes. We need competent people leading. If she admits it, then she could always resign?

[arista]

It's not really a time to be making mistakes. We need competent people leading. If she admits it, then she could always resign?

She is saying because of Covid
they need a referendum.


Johnson has said he will not Grant them another chance.

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[user104658]

It's not really a time to be making mistakes. We need competent people leading. If she admits it, then she could always resign?Along with the entire Westminster government? It doesn't sound like the best idea really.

[arista]

The SNP Leader
says in the May 2021 Local elections
she wants to ask for a referendum.

INDYREF2


Waste of time
The UK Prime Minister will not grant her another vote.

[arista]

Today 205 have died

12,330 have caught Covid-19 today.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[joeysteele]

The SNP Leader
says in the May 2021 Local elections
she wants to ask for a referendum.

INDYREF2


Waste of time
The UK Prime Minister will not grant her another vote.


He cannot just brush aside if the will of Scots voters is to elect the SNP strongly in the Holyrood elections with a mandate to hold a referendum.

He will continue to ignore that to his peril because he'd be acting like a dictator.

If the majority of Scots DO want a referendum then to act like he's holding them as like prisoners in the UK..
Will cause a massive constitutional crisis of his own making

Likely too only fuelling further, the support for independence.

[Niamh.]

Two deaths and 299 new cases confirmed in Ireland. We're opening back up from tomorrow. Pubs that don't serve food still are not allowed to open though

[arista]

He cannot just brush aside if the will of Scots voters is to elect the SNP strongly in the Holyrood elections with a mandate to hold a referendum.

He will continue to ignore that to his peril because he'd be acting like a dictator.

If the majority of Scots DO want a referendum then to act like he's holding them as like prisoners in the UK..
Will cause a massive constitutional crisis of his own making

Likely too only fuelling further, the support for independence.


Look Marr BBC1HD
Told that SNP lady on Sunday.


And he can Block her 2nd vote

[arista]

The Cock (Health Secretary)
is Live at 5PM 10 Downing St.


[He'll be joined by Prof Stephen Powis, national medical director of NHS England,
and General Sir Gordon Messenger, head of operations for the
community testing programme.]

[Cherie]

Two deaths and 299 new cases confirmed in Ireland. We're opening back up from tomorrow. Pubs that don't serve food still are not allowed to open though

Can you move between counties now? That seemed a bit draconian :laugh:

[arista]

The Health Sec.
The Cock

Is Now Live

10 Downing St.


General Sir Gordon Messenger
is not in Military clothes this time.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-latest-uk-updates-london-liverpool-to-be-in-tier-2-coronavirus-restrictions-with-review-before-christmas-12133703

[Niamh.]

Can you move between counties now? That seemed a bit draconian :laugh:

Nope not until Dec 18th :skull: Actually now I think about it I wonder if that's to stop people travelling back and forth from Ireland to Northern Ireland without saying "you can't travel to Northern Ireland" if you get what I mean? Their cases had been really bad in NI and obviously we have no control on their restrictions so it's an awkward situation for the Government

[Cherie]

Nope not until Dec 18th :skull: Actually now I think about it I wonder if that's to stop people travelling back and forth from Ireland to Northern Ireland without saying "you can't travel to Northern Ireland" if you get what I mean? There cases had been really bad in NI and obviously we have no control on their restrictions so it's an awkward situation for the Government

Oh maybe, makes sense

[Niamh.]

Oh maybe, makes sense

That's just total speculation on my part obviously but the cases had been very high in Donegal and it was a bit of an issue having different rules in NI when we're so close but obviously saying no you can't cross the border/non border is just a messy can of words no one wants to deal with

[arista]

The Military General
said he wants to get away the term "Mass Testing"

He said its Community Testing.

[James]

The SNP Leader
says in the May 2021 Local elections
she wants to ask for a referendum.

INDYREF2


Waste of time
The UK Prime Minister will not grant her another vote.

The fact that the SNP are demanding this in the middle of everything that is going on now says a lot.

[arista]

10 Downing St.
briefing has ended

[arista]

The fact that the SNP are demanding this in the middle of everything that is going on now says a lot.


The Problem is
she is using Covid-19
as a reason for a Referendum

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: tomorrow 1st of December our face mask compulsory will go into effect

[arista]

Netherlands: tomorrow 1st of December our face mask compulsory will go into effect

Good news

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Every NHS and social care worker in Scotland to receive £500 ‘thank you’, Sturgeon announces

[bots]

That's TS's PS5 paid for

[Zizu]

Every NHS and social care worker in Scotland to receive £500 ‘thank you’, Sturgeon announces



Let’s hope they do the same for us all working in education south of the boarder ..




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[Kizzy]

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Eh... what's normal about it?

It shows the hospitals are almost at capacity and there's no mention of critical care beds, icu is the most under strain from covid.

Normal?... pffft who are they trying to kid?

[reece(:]

It's criminal at this stage, and it's only some areas that have a high infection rate, as well, so I don't know why they are applying a blanket approach

It's really a big FU to all those places that went the extra mile to make their venues covid secure, and successfully at that.

[Kizzy]

It's maybe to stop people moving around to places with lower tiers? I was reading an article about people in Skipton threatening to SHOOT people from west yorkshire (tier 3)! They are (currently tier 2) :/ this thing is really bringing out the worst in people.

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[Alf]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/7BB0/production/_115746613_dailymailfront0112-nc.pngThreats, is it?

They won't survive as business's if they turn custom away.

I call their bluff.

[AnnieK]

Threats, is it?

They won't survive as business's if they turn custom away.

I call their bluff.

I think it could well happen at some of the bigger pub chains / football grounds etc where they will get the numbers regardless. Can't see it happening at your local Free House who have been shut for months....suppose it depends if the Gov pass any legislation, especially in the first few months when they are pushing for the majority to get vaccinated. I don't think you'll be able to enter any other country though without having had it

[Nicky91]

today Netherlands Face Mask Compulsory every indoors place, everyone above the age of 13

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source: dutch news tabloid AD


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source: dutch news channel NOS


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/face-masks-become-compulsory-and-testing-open-to-those-without-symptoms/

''those caught without a face mask face a fine of €95.''


Public spaces

Face masks have to be worn in all public indoor spaces, such as shops, museums, petrol stations, restaurants and bars (if open), theatres, cinemas and concert halls. Once people are seated at their table in the restaurant or in the theatre auditorium they can take the mask off but if they go to the toilet or leave it has to go back on. Places of worship, such as churches, temples, synagogues and mosques, are exempt from the rule. Face masks were already compulsory on public transport but will now have to be worn inside railway station buildings and at airports as well.

Schools and universities

Students, teachers and support staff will all have to wear a face mask when moving around the school building. The mask can come off during classes when everyone is seated but teachers who talk while walking around the classroom will have to wear one. Face masks won’t have to be worn during PE classes, theatre or singing classes and in some forms of vocational education.

Europe

The Netherlands is one of the last countries in Europe to impose the wearing of masks following pressure from the public and MPs. The Dutch health institute RIVM which advises the government still maintains that face masks do not significantly lower the risk of infection. Retail chains, such as Ahold, which comprises Albert Heijn, Etos and Gall & Gall, have already said they will ‘inform customers about the obligation but not refuse non-wearers’.

[user104658]

That's TS's PS5 paid for:joker:

[Alf]

Fortunate for some that this story only leaked after the American election.


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[bots]

All that information has been known since March, it was obvious to everyone

[Alf]

All that information has been known since March, it was obvious to everyoneWhy is it CNNs top story today then? You should have told them in March.

[Beso]

Lewis Hamilton tests positive.

[Alf]

Lewis Hamilton tests positive.What for? Not drink driving was it?

[Cherie]

Every NHS and social care worker in Scotland to receive £500 ‘thank you’, Sturgeon announces

That's TS's PS5 paid for

That's a nice gesture and

Mrs TS has her pressie for hubby sorted :laugh:

[arista]

Threats, is it?

They won't survive as business's if they turn custom away.

I call their bluff.


They could give you a Vaccine pass on your phone.
Bar code etc.
For Example

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1333387948545503232

5th vaccine contract deal for EU

now the vaccine reviewing part can begin

[Alf]

They could give you a Vaccine pass on your phone.
Bar code etc.
For ExampleI don't need their services anyway, they're not essential to me. I might miss going to my rugby, but I can always listen to it on the radio, that's what I've done this year.

I don't need restaurants, I can do myself a plate of food at home.

I can live without cinema, plenty of other options for viewing pleasure.

I don't need to go to pub, I can have a drink at home.

[arista]

I don't need their services anyway, they're not essential to me. I might miss going to my rugby, but I can always listen to it on the radio, that's what I've done this year.

I don't need restaurants, I can do myself a plate of food at home.

I can live without cinema, plenty of other options for viewing pleasure.

I don't need to go to pub, I can have a drink at home.


OK Alf.

We will have to hiss at you on the street
for not wanting the vaccine.

[Alf]

OK Alf.

We will have to hiss at you on the street
for not wanting the vaccine.Hiss all you like, you'll soon stop when I start coughing on you.

I don't mind if you want to treat me like a lepper.

[arista]

The Prime Minister
is Live on the News Channels
making his case for the Vote later on today
on his Tier changes

[Alf]

The Prime Minister
is Live on the News Channels
making his case for the Vote later on today
on his Tier changesUnless he's handing in his resignation that I'm not interested in anything else he's saying. He's finished.

[arista]

Unless he's handing in his resignation that I'm not interested in anything else he's saying. He's finished.


No 4 more years to go.

[arista]

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[arista]

Alf you are not alone

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[Alf]

Now we're in Winter, has anybody had the regular flu lately?

People are saying the flu has disappeared, so I wanted to know if anyone has had it?

What's the usual death rate for flu this time of year!?

[The Slim Reaper]

Now we're in Winter, has anybody had the regular flu lately?

People are saying the flu has disappeared, so I wanted to know if anyone has had it?

What's the usual death rate for flu this time of year!?

Do you know people who get the flu every year? I don't. I've had the real flu 3 times in my life, don't mistake a cough and cold for proper flu.

Of course, there are fewer people mixing, we're wearing masks, and washing our hands, so obviously the impact of flu will be far lower.

[Alf]

Do you know people who get the flu every year? I don't. I've had the real flu 3 times in my life, don't mistake a cough and cold for proper flu.

Of course, there are fewer people mixing, we're wearing masks, and washing our hands, so obviously the impact of flu will be far lower.No I don't, that's why I asked the question.

[The Slim Reaper]

America, fcuk yeah!

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[Cherie]

America, fcuk yeah!

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she has a big insurance policy out on him for sure :think:

[Nicky91]

if everything goes to plan, Netherlands will begin first vaccinations in January

our health minister Hugo de Jonge had said

it is now up to the EMA (european medical agency) to review the vaccines, we are ready whenever there'll be a green light by EMA

[arista]

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[arista]

Today 603 Died

Patients in hospital
15,438

Patients on ventilation
1,415


13,430 Today caught Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Some MP's think
Johnson Prime minister could lose his Vote
tonight.

Parliament has been told no one MP
to speak more than 3mins each.

Ref: SkyNewsHD, TimesRadio DAB, Parliament Ch.

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

4,073 new cases (yesterday that was 4,610 new cases)

187 new hospitalisations (in total now 1,683 of which 478 on the ICU)

62 new deaths (yesterday that were 29 new deaths)

[bots]

A charity set up by the Daily Mail to buy protective equipment for NHS staff donated 100,000 face masks suspected of being made by workers in a controversial Chinese labour programme.

The masks were flown in from China by the paper's Mail Force campaign, which was launched in April to buy PPE.

They were bought from Medwell Medical Products, a firm suspected of using Uighur Muslims in the labour scheme.

Mail Force said it had been unaware of allegations about Medwell at the time.

A spokesperson for the charity said: "The masks in question represent 0.2% of the 42 million items of PPE we delivered to the UK. We are implacably opposed to forced labour of any kind."

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oops

[Zizu]

First Premier League game postponed due to Covid:(

Newcastle have a major outbreak in the club .. game against Aston Villa to be rescheduled ..


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[arista]

The Health Sec is pleading.
Upset after losing close ones to him
from Covid-19

The Vote starts after 7PM.

The Prime Minister
is sitting near him


Live on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

He has won his Vote

78 MP Voted against it. (56 were Conservative)

[The government has won by 291 votes to 78.
This means the new system of tiered restrictions
across England will come into force from midnight.
But it is clear there was a substantial rebellion by Tory MPs.]



Ch4HDnews.

[Kizzy]

What was the alternative, Stay in lockdown? Have no tiers? :/

[joeysteele]

I think he's handled this pandemic atrociously.

However I really felt for Matt Hancock today announcing the death of his loved one.
Really sad.

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[Kizzy]

Hug the vulnerable before they've had the vaccine, kill as many off as possible, can't be wasting valuable doses on these non productive types.

[Zizu]

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[Alf]

It's freedom day!

Anyone fancy a Scotch egg and a pint? I'm buying.

[AnnieK]

It's freedom day!

Anyone fancy a Scotch egg and a pint?

Are you Tier 2 or 3 in Hull Alf?

[Alf]

Are you Tier 2 or 3 in Hull Alf?Not got a clue, I haven't been taking any notice. I think it's 3, but don't quote me on that.

[Alf]

I don't even know what the tiers mean, it doesn't interest me.

[AnnieK]

If you're a 3 it just means you cant have a pint and a scotch egg in the pub, you've got to do it at home :laugh:

We are a 3 although our cases are dropping dramatically now....probably would have been a 2 if Burnham hadn't kicked off last time :laugh:

[MTVN]

I'm going to the pub this evening :D

[Alf]

If you're a 3 it just means you cant have a pint and a scotch egg in the pub, you've
are opening today, that3about all got to do it at home :laugh:

We are a 3 although our cases are dropping dramatically now....probably would have been a 2 if Burnham hadn't kicked off last time :laugh:I know the gyms are opening today, that's about all I know. And I know that later on this morning, I'm off up town to do a bit of Christmas shopping.

[Alf]

I'm going to the pub this evening :DDo you have to purchase a Meal?

[AnnieK]

I know the gyms are opening today, that's about all I know. And I know that later on this morning, I'm off up town to do a bit of Christmas shopping.

Have a good day

[Ammi]

I'm going to the pub this evening :D

...:laugh:..enjoy your evening ...

[Alf]

Have a good day
You too!

[Alf]

Poor old Nan


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[user104658]

If you're a 3 it just means you cant have a pint and a scotch egg in the pub, you've got to do it at home [emoji23]

We are a 3 although our cases are dropping dramatically now....probably would have been a 2 if Burnham hadn't kicked off last time [emoji23]Nobody has ever eaten a scotch egg at home, Annie. It's more something that happens to you than a conscious choice.

[Vanessa]

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved hare in the UK.
They will start vaccinations next week! :amazed:
Amazing news this morning!

[user104658]

I hate to be a Debbie downer and temper things, I know all news is good news, but it is important to remember that they have doses for less than 10% of the population and also it will take time (and two doses spaced weeks apart) to take effect... So in short, still don't expect to see much improvement in the numbers or "lockdown/tiers" situation until February or March, and it won't be anywhere close to normality until summer at the very earliest - with issues in winter 2021 still being a very real possibility.

I think it's good news but the good news headlines will have unintended consequences in terms of people bothering to take it seriously any more.

[Vanessa]

I hate to be a Debbie downer and temper things, I know all news is good news, but it is important to remember that they have doses for less than 10% of the population and also it will take time (and two doses spaced weeks apart) to take effect... So in short, still don't expect to see much improvement in the numbers or "lockdown/tiers" situation until February or March.

I thi k it's good news but the good news headlines will have unintended consequences in terms of people bothering to take it seriously any more.
Of course, it will take time to vaccinate everyone.
But at least now we have hope

[Alf]

I hate to be a Debbie downer and temper things, I know all news is good news, but it is important to remember that they have doses for less than 10% of the population and also it will take time (and two doses spaced weeks apart) to take effect... So in short, still don't expect to see much improvement in the numbers or "lockdown/tiers" situation until February or March, and it won't be anywhere close to normality until summer at the very earliest - with issues in winter 2021 still being a very real possibility.

I think it's good news but the good news headlines will have unintended consequences in terms of people bothering to take it seriously any more.I volunteer to go to the back of the queue. I'm happy to wait 5 years, see what happens to the human guiena pigs first.

[Ammi]

...I think that for most people, TS...remembering is most definitely there in the forefront because we’ve all lived this year...we all know that this is a very small step on a very long journey....and for many people still to come, that ‘journey end’ will sadly never be reached...but just as it’s always been important to acknowledge COVID in its devastation...it’s also important to acknowledge this step of hope...(...as Vanessa puts it...)...which we could only have hoped for a few short months ago....

[Vanessa]

I have a chronic illness and in about 5 years time I will need dyalisis.
So I will most definitely have the vaccine.

[Ammi]

I have a chronic illness and in about 5 years time I will need dyalisis.
So I will most definitely have the vaccine.

...Vanessa...:hug:...and the only thing that I can say about your illness...?..is that you’re such one of the most positive and hope-filled people and the strength of that and the person you are will be something that will be with you in every life step...:hug:..

[Nicky91]

still i cannot ignore how if we all had the same approach as South Korea, we could've prevented a lot more than where we are standing now

[Vanessa]

...Vanessa...:hug:...and the only thing that I can say about your illness...?..is that you’re such one of the most positive and hope-filled people and the strength of that and the person you are will be something that will be with you in every life step...:hug:..

Thank you. I always try to stay positive. :hee:

[Alf]

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[Vanessa]

I expect other vaccines will also be approved soon.

[Kizzy]

I have a chronic illness and in about 5 years time I will need dyalisis.
So I will most definitely have the vaccine.

I'm really sorry to hear that Vanessa, like Ammi said your positivity is more infectious than any coronavirus, take care :hug:

[Kizzy]

What about the astrazenica vaccine we have 100 million doses of? Get that approved :/

[Zizu]

still i cannot ignore how if we all had the same approach as South Korea, we could've prevented a lot more than where we are standing now



Can we really believe anything they tell us including their stats ??


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[Cherie]

I hate to be a Debbie downer and temper things, I know all news is good news, but it is important to remember that they have doses for less than 10% of the population and also it will take time (and two doses spaced weeks apart) to take effect... So in short, still don't expect to see much improvement in the numbers or "lockdown/tiers" situation until February or March, and it won't be anywhere close to normality until summer at the very earliest - with issues in winter 2021 still being a very real possibility.

I think it's good news but the good news headlines will have unintended consequences in terms of people bothering to take it seriously any more.

I think it will have the opposite effect in all honesty, many people will say actually we are not going to risk Christmas as the likelihood is many of the very vulnerable will be vaccinated by Easter

[Zizu]

Exiting times yet scary times ....


I just wish these kinds of issues / decisions were handled by super intelligent people / medics/ microbiologists/ entrepreneurs

In fact I wish we had a kind of Brains Trust in charge of the country instead of useless politicians ( all parties included )


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[Vanessa]

What about the astrazenica vaccine we have 100 million doses of? Get that approved :/

I think other vaccines will also be approved soon.
Some may be better suited for different people.

[Vanessa]

Can we really believe anything they tell us including their stats ??


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I agree, and it's been proved that China liked about the stats.
So now I'm skeptical.

[Zizu]

I hate to be a Debbie downer and temper things, I know all news is good news, but it is important to remember that they have doses for less than 10% of the population and also it will take time (and two doses spaced weeks apart) to take effect... So in short, still don't expect to see much improvement in the numbers or "lockdown/tiers" situation until February or March, and it won't be anywhere close to normality until summer at the very earliest - with issues in winter 2021 still being a very real possibility.

I think it's good news but the good news headlines will have unintended consequences in terms of people bothering to take it seriously any more.



Yes I tend to agree ... we seem to have had quite a few false dawns already ..

There was an ‘expert’ on Sky News earlier who was upbeat about the Covid crisis and the vaccines but even he said that if could take TEN years before we will be back to normal (but with a greater understanding of vaccines)

TEN YEARS fgs


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[arista]

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[Vanessa]

With the vaccine we will be able to travel and see our loved ones again.

[arista]

With the vaccine we will be able to travel and see our loved ones again.


Yes they hope so.

[Zizu]

I just don’t get how they can give any vaccine the clearance / approval so very soon ... if we ignore everything else how can they be CERTAIN there will not be any LONG TERM side effects .. they usually take 7 years to get to this stage apparently


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[user104658]

Yes I tend to agree ... we seem to have had quite a few false dawns already ..

There was an ‘expert’ on Sky News earlier who was upbeat about the Covid crisis and the vaccines but even he said that if could take TEN years before we will be back to normal (but with a greater understanding of vaccines)

TEN YEARS fgs


Well I think part of the issue is that people are under the impression that the vaccine will be a one-time-deal that represents the end of Covid... like the TB or Polio vaccinations... when in reality it's still very possible (perhaps even likely) that like Flu, Covid is going nowhere, ever, and there will be small pockets of seasonal outbreaks for many decades to come and an annual vaccination programme for the vulnerable. Though not "forever" as I still do genuinely believe that one day science will uncover a quick, simple and permanent solution for all viruses.

But yes I think going forward we'll see mild to moderate Covid outbreaks every winter just as we do with other viruses.

[Cherie]

I just don’t get how they can give any vaccine the clearance / approval so very soon ... if we ignore everything else how can they be CERTAIN there will not be any LONG TERM side effects .. they usually take 7 years to get to this stage apparently


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From what I listened to this morning the RNA method used has been in trial and used in various vaccines (Ebola/Sars) for the past 10 years

[Cherie]

Well I think part of the issue is that people are under the impression that the vaccine will be a one-time-deal that represents the end of Covid... like the TB or Polio vaccinations... when in reality it's still very possible (perhaps even likely) that like Flu, Covid is going nowhere, ever, and there will be small pockets of seasonal outbreaks for many decades to come and an annual vaccination programme for the vulnerable. Though not "forever" as I still do genuinely believe that one day science will uncover a quick, simple and permanent solution for all viruses.

But yes I think going forward we'll see mild to moderate Covid outbreaks every winter just as we do with other viruses.

I don't know anyone who has that impression? maybe in your circles

if they listen to actually what is being said, we don't know how long the immunity will last, and as it stands it would probably be rolled out like flu jabs every year

maybe if they take their news from clickbaity headlines that is their impression but you can't legislate for those folks :shrug:

[Cherie]

The bottom line here is that it is the first steps out of this mess, so we should all be cautiously optimistic

[user104658]

I don't know anyone who has that impression? maybe in your circles

if they listen to actually what is being said, we don't know how long the immunity will last, and as it stands it would probably be rolled out like flu jabs every year

maybe if they take their news from clickbaity headlines that is their impression but you can't legislate for those folks :shrug:

My circles are exclusively clever people Cherie, I'm a ****ing snob :joker:.

Maybe yours is too; because outside of my circle I see the "The vaccine is here!!11!1!!1" stuff everywhere.

[user104658]

The bottom line here is that it is the first steps out of this mess, so we should all be cautiously optimistic

NO CHERIE. Cautious optimism leads to nothing but disappointment; miserable pragmatism leads to occasional pleasant surprises! Accept that the glass is half empty and throw that bastard at the wall! :fist:

[arista]

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
Times Radio DAB
LBC


5PM The Prime Minster with 2 others
is live today

[Cherie]

NO CHERIE. Cautious optimism leads to nothing but disappointment; miserable pragmatism leads to occasional pleasant surprises! Accept that the glass is half empty and throw that bastard at the wall! :fist:

:laugh:

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

4,942 new cases (879 more than yesterday)

142 new hospitalisations (45 less than yesterday) (1,606 in total)

25 new ICU patients (5 more than yesterday) (475 in total)

66 new deaths (4 more than yesterday)

[Vicky.]

If theres only enough for 10% of the population, would that not be most high risk people covered? Obviously in time they could do more, but aslong as the most vulnerable are done, things will be a bit better surely. I actually think healthcare staff should get the option before everyone else. But thats not been a too popular opiion elsewhere, as apparently that means I want loads of grannies to die as they should clearly be priority :bored:

[Cherie]

If theres only enough for 10% of the population, would that not be most high risk people covered? Obviously in time they could do more, but aslong as the most vulnerable are done, things will be a bit better surely. I actually think healthcare staff should get the option before everyone else. But thats not been a too popular opiion elsewhere, as apparently that means I want loads of grannies to die as they should clearly be priority :bored:

welcome back Vicky :love: Healthcare staff will be in the first wave from what I have heard? tbh I think they have enough vaccine to get them going, this is going to take a while particularly as two doses are required 21 days apart

[Nicky91]

If theres only enough for 10% of the population, would that not be most high risk people covered? Obviously in time they could do more, but aslong as the most vulnerable are done, things will be a bit better surely. I actually think healthcare staff should get the option before everyone else. But thats not been a too popular opiion elsewhere, as apparently that means I want loads of grannies to die as they should clearly be priority :bored:

both are a priority i think

[Vicky.]

Thanks :)

They should be absolutely top priority.

Along with many other keyworkers actually.

But saying this, is advocating genocide D:

Glad there is some good news though, but I find it extremely odd that only a week or so back, news were saying even though tey were 'done' safety testing would mean we were unlikely to see it being rolled out until March at the earliest. Then days later, we are days away from being able to give it?! The press have been horrendous through this whole thing. I have friends who are fit and healthy and young, who are terrified to even step foot out of their door because they think they will die :/ Meanwhile, the majority of older people I know are carrying on as normal, well as normal as they can when things are shut!

[Nicky91]

Thanks :)

They should be absolutely top priority.

Along with many other keyworkers actually.

But saying this, is advocating genocide D:

Glad there is some good news though, but I find it extremely odd that only a week or so back, news were saying even though tey were 'done' safety testing would mean we were unlikely to see it being rolled out until March at the earliest. Then days later, we are days away from being able to give it?! The press have been horrendous through this whole thing. I have friends who are fit and healthy and young, who are terrified to even step foot out of their door because they think they will die :/ Meanwhile, the majority of older people I know are carrying on as normal, well as normal as they can when things are shut!

over here, in a reality tv show called ''100 yrs young'' i saw (filmed amid coronacrisis of course) a 104 yr old lady just goes grocery shopping each week, and also without a face mask

kinda sad how older people carry on like it are normal times, ignoring advice to wear masks, gloves which we say to protect them from this virus

[Kizzy]

Hi vicky, I agree with you vaccinate the health and social care workers and shield the elderly.

[Vicky.]

kinda sad how older people carry on like it are normal times, ignoring advice to wear masks, gloves which we say to protect them from this virus

I think much of it is..they have gone through many worse periods than this. It seems to be not even on some peoples radar at all!

Ontop of this, what I see/hear is mainly along the lines of 'there are risks everyday, I am not not seeing family/going out for months because a virus exists that can be fatal to a minority of people', which I can understand really.

I am somewhere inbetween. Not scared, but not totally ignoring it either. I imagine most are at that stage now.

[user104658]

I understand older people not all wanting to shield to be honest. When you're 75+ you have no idea how many healthy years you have left... yes you might catch a fatal case of covid; but you might have a stroke or heart attack tomorrow. A few weeks/months is one thing but expecting elderly people to take themselves out of the world when they might not have a lot of time left in it anyway...? It's a stretch, and a gamble. So yeah, I do sort of understand the impulse for elderly people to think "If I might be in my final days anyway, I want to spend as many of those around friends and family as possible".

Really is there anything sadder than an elderly person in a care home dying of a stroke when they haven't been able to see their loved ones for months? I think it's awful to the point of verging on inhumane.

[Vicky.]

Yeah the carehome thing is awful, but I cannot see a solution really there :(

My dad is massively pissed off with the shielding thing. Hes classed as high risk as he doesn't have a spleen and has heart issues also. Was told to shield. Said he was not going to, but would be sensible along with everyone else (masks, stay away from large gatherings etc). But since retiring he got a part time job in tesco which he enjoys as its something to do and gets him out the house really. Tesco have blanket banned all people on the shielding list from working. He is foaming and says it should be his choice. I kind of agree, but also see why they are doing it, as no doubt if they didn't do this there could be court cases brought against them at some point.

Hes still on usual pay mind. But hes not liking it at all.

[user104658]

Yeah the carehome thing is awful, but I cannot see a solution really there :(

My dad is massively pissed off with the shielding thing. Hes classed as high risk as he doesn't have a spleen and has heart issues also. Was told to shield. Said he was not going to, but would be sensible along with everyone else (masks, stay away from large gatherings etc). But since retiring he got a part time job in tesco which he enjoys as its something to do and gets him out the house really. Tesco have blanket banned all people on the shielding list from working. He is foaming and says it should be his choice. I kind of agree, but also see why they are doing it, as no doubt if they didn't do this there could be court cases brought against them at some point.

Hes still on usual pay mind. But hes not liking it at all.

It should definitely be down to the individual in that case, he's at more personal risk but that doesn't mean he's a greater risk than anyone else of spreading it... and otherwise he's an adult perfectly capable of informed consent. I'd have thought so long as Tesco makes it clear that they WANT people on the list to shield, ensures that the person is informed about their level of risk, and has them sign a disclaimer... it really should be down to the person themself. You'd have to make sure there's no element of coercion even hinted at (because, god knows, when I worked retail they got us to sign a LOT of **** that no one actually wanted to sign) but there should be a way.

[Vicky.]

Yeah, I think their handling is shocking really. Cannot be too hard to sort. The option of staying home and still getting paid should be made to those high risk of course, but it should be an option, not a 'you will do this' situation. Mind thats a good point about coercion. I guess this way they cannot get accusations later down the line that people felt pressured.

[Vanessa]

I'm high risk, but still working.
The furlough just wouldn't be enough.

[Zizu]

Soooo ....

If you’ve had Covid and feeling better but then someone in family home then gets it .. are you still allowed to return to work EVEN though you’re living with someone who’s at home poorly with Covid ??

Surely if we’re all constantly washing our hands down and disinfecting surfaces because the Covid particles are easily transmitted then they can pass on the germs from the sick person who’s still at home ??


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[Zizu]

over here, in a reality tv show called ''100 yrs young'' i saw (filmed amid coronacrisis of course) a 104 yr old lady just goes grocery shopping each week, and also without a face mask



kinda sad how older people carry on like it are normal times, ignoring advice to wear masks, gloves which we say to protect them from this virus



There’s an old bloke in our street (who used to work in a hospital ) he’s about 78 , extremely overweight and diabetic..
He’s out and about all over the place each day in his car , going to shops and then taking bits of shopping to the older neighbours .. he’s a nice guy but he never wears a mask even when he pops into neighbours..




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[arista]

Today 698 have died

59,699 Total UK deaths

Patients in hospital
15,436

Patients on ventilation
1,351

16,170 New Covid-19 cases today


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

Today 698 have died

59,699 Total UK deaths

Patients in hospital
15,436

Patients on ventilation
1,351

16,170 New Covid-19 cases today


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

We really need that vaccine. :shocked:

[arista]

The Prime Minister is Live


Also Simon Stevens & Prof Van Tam.

[Vanessa]

It's great to have some positive news for a change!

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Prime Minister is Live



It's great to have some positive news for a change!

non sequitur shurley?

[Nicky91]

Van Tam: the vaccine is not a yoghurt you can put back in the fridge and use it multiple times

[Zizu]

So there’s an immunologist being interviewed on SKY News at the moment

She’s said that the trials on the new vaccine have been ‘trialled’ on many thousands of people ...

Are these people in the UK or across the world I wonder .... guess it doesn’t really matter though ..

Just thinking if they’re all from one area like Cornwall or something - then you’d expect that area to have far lower than average infections ??




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[AnnieK]

So there’s an immunologist being interviewed on SKY News at the moment

She’s said that the trials on the new vaccine have been ‘trialled’ on many thousands of people ...

Are these people in the UK or across the world I wonder .... guess it doesn’t really matter though ..

Just thinking if they’re all from one area like Cornwall or something - then you’d expect that area to have far lower than average infections ??




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All of the trials have been done across a number of countries, ages, genders etc I believe as they need to see how the perform in all scenarios

[Zizu]

So these vaccines have to be kept at -70C !!!

Only a few places ... those being only a FEW hospitals across the country have the infrastructure to cope with those temps .

That’s gonna slow things down surely ?!?


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[Beastie]

I'm not having the vaccine until plenty of guinea pigs have tested it.

[Vanessa]

So these vaccines have to be kept at -70C !!!

Only a few places ... those being only a FEW hospitals across the country have the infrastructure to cope with those temps .

That’s gonna slow things down surely ?!?


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They can be kept in normal fridges for 5 days.

[arista]

Covid-19
[Bonmarche Clothing
in administration again just months after rescue
Administrators signal they are hopeful of finding
a new buyer for the business, which employs 1,500 staff.]

https://news.sky.com/story/bonmarche-in-administration-again-just-months-after-rescue-12148909


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55159180

[Zizu]

They can be kept in normal fridges for 5 days.



That’s not what he just said though .. and he was clearly trying to paint a fairly rosy picture.

Sky now reporting that 50 hospitals ( the ones able to keep it at -70C will start immunising next week hopefully.




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[GoldHeart]

They can be kept in normal fridges for 5 days.

It sounds more complicated than that if it has to be kept below -70 degrees in temperature .

I'm just wondering what will happen next year , especially in summer when it's more widely available to us all .

[bots]

It sounds more complicated than that if it has to be kept below -70 degrees in temperature .

I'm just wondering what will happen next year , especially in summer when it's more widely available to us all .

the other 2 vaccines will be approved before Christmas which can both be transported more easily. I think the Pfizer vaccine will end up be dispensed from hospitals and the others will get distributed all over the place

[Beso]

A wee bit of johnny cash music an everythings ok...

[Zizu]

the other 2 vaccines will be approved before Christmas which can both be transported more easily. I think the Pfizer vaccine will end up be dispensed from hospitals and the others will get distributed all over the place



That sounds feasible enough ...


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[Zizu]

A wee bit of johnny cash music an everythings ok...



“ Hurt” ?

:)


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[arista]

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[arista]

Scottish Conservative
telling off the Labour Party.


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Sign Of The Times.

[Alf]

This restaurant owner in America found his way into a news report to have his say.


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[Cherie]

That’s not what he just said though .. and he was clearly trying to paint a fairly rosy picture.

Sky now reporting that 50 hospitals ( the ones able to keep it at -70C will start immunising next week hopefully.




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Hit has been said numerous times that it has to be transported at minus 70, it’s then defrosted as you can’t shoot ice into someone’s arm! and it is viable in a fridge for 5 days