Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cherie]

It sounds more complicated than that if it has to be kept below -70 degrees in temperature .

I'm just wondering what will happen next year , especially in summer when it's more widely available to us all .

The Moderna vaccine can be kept in a normal freezers
Oxford in a fridge

Imperial College are trialling a vaccine

There will be many more as well


The issue is how long immunity will last which is unknown at present

[user104658]

you can’t shoot ice into someone’s arm!

Don't tell ME what I can't do, you'll only make me more determined!

[Cherie]

Don't tell ME what I can't do, you'll only make me more determined!

:laugh:

[Zizu]

Hit has been said numerous times that it has to be transported at minus 70, it’s then defrosted as you can’t shoot ice into someone’s arm! and it is viable in a fridge for 5 days



Why are only 50 hospitals doing them then ?


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[joeysteele]

I think it's really good news myself and I'd recommend to anyone offered it to have it.

Which has to be their choice as those I'm in contact with.
There's strong apprehension as to the speed this has happened..

I think some really informative involvement is required to be carried out patiently with those first in line to be offered this vaccine.

It's a tiny number and no way scientific but of 15 of those just in my own family, who would likely be among the second likely to get this.
Only 11 would take it up.

4 at present, are strongly opposed to even considering it yet without more information and understandable data.

Well I doubt we'll ever get the latter but I do think government and the science and health bodies, need to really put time in to removing the fears of this vaccine.

Myself however, I congratulate all, including those in government who have pushed for a vaccine, in getting to this point so quickly.
It is commendable.

It doesn't erase the scandalous wrongs of government previously which still need to be fully publicised and have a firm open inquiry into.

This however is and should be seen as very welcome and positive news.

[bots]

it's very positive news i think, and we desperately need some of that.

People who are at risk will of course be more inclined to get the vaccine than those not, and that's fine. Everyone can make their own choice dependent on their individual circumstances

[Cherie]

JVT on 5 Live


His latest football analogy

we got battered by the away team in the first half and they got a goal, its the 70 minute and we have scored a goal, so its 1-1, we cant throw it away now, we must hold our nerve until the 90 see if we can score another and nick it, but as it stands its a draw :laugh:

PS

There are 5 more vaccines coming down the track, one of which might be a one shot only

[Cherie]

Why are only 50 hospitals doing them then ?


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Well for a start we have just 10 million doses in hand? with 30 million more to come (Pfizer)

I expect more will come on board once more vaccines are received

[Nicky91]

just saying don't be tooo positive or confident about these ''vaccines'' how can they be ready this soon

[arista]

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[Cherie]

just saying don't be tooo positive or confident about these ''vaccines'' how can they be ready this soon

because they are using technologies that are tried and tested, they didn't start from scratch

[Nicky91]

sorry to be more cautious anyway, and not as optimistic as others

i wish those who get the vaccine first very best of luck, since we don't know what the side effects of this vaccine is

i am wondering, is it really smart to give a vaccine (where side effects are unknown of) to elderly and vulnerable first?

[Zizu]

I think it's really good news myself and I'd recommend to anyone offered it to have it.

Which has to be their choice as those I'm in contact with.
There's strong apprehension as to the speed this has happened..

I think some really informative involvement is required to be carried out patiently with those first in line to be offered this vaccine.

It's a tiny number and no way scientific but of 15 of those just in my own family, who would likely be among the second likely to get this.
Only 11 would take it up.

4 at present, are strongly opposed to even considering it yet without more information and understandable data.

Well I doubt we'll ever get the latter but I do think government and the science and health bodies, need to really put time in to removing the fears of this vaccine.

Myself however, I congratulate all, including those in government who have pushed for a vaccine, in getting to this point so quickly.
It is commendable.

It doesn't erase the scandalous wrongs of government previously which still need to be fully publicised and have a firm open inquiry into.

This however is and should be seen as very welcome and positive news.



It’s kinda disconcerting to learn that all the other countries feel that we have gone far too soon on this to get an advantage ..


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[Zizu]

Well for a start we have just 10 million doses in hand? with 30 million more to come (Pfizer)

I expect more will come on board once more vaccines are received


I’m talking about the only ‘cleared’ vaccine .

They said there were just 800,000 yesterday ... with each person needing two doses ( 21 days apart) .


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[Zizu]

because they are using technologies that are tried and tested, they didn't start from scratch



..: as I mentioned ... how can they be sure there will be no long term effects given they’ve only been trialled a couple of months ??


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[Vanessa]

It takes longer for the EU to approve the vaccine.
But I expect they will soon.

[Cherie]

..: as I mentioned ... how can they be sure there will be no long term effects given they’ve only been trialled a couple of months ??


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Look no one is forcing you to take it

When people have cancer they chow down on any medication offered, often experimental, we eat food and drink that have lots of nasties in it, we breath polluted air, people smoke, people take drugs, as someone said this morning nothing in life is risk free, but in vaccines if you are going to have an adverse reaction in the majority of cases they get a reaction fairly soon after the drug is administered, and they have not had any in the people trialled, apart from the usual sore arm, etc, that is not to say it wont happen in some, it might. If you dont want it dont take it, worry about yourself and let others make their own choices :shrug:

My 85 year old aunt cant wait!

[AnnieK]

Look no one is forcing you to take it

When people have cancer they chow down on any medication offered, often experimental, we eat food and drink that have lots of nasties in it, we breath polluted air, people smoke, people take drugs, as someone said this morning nothing in life is risk free, but in vaccines if you are going to have an adverse reaction in the majority of cases they get a reaction fairly soon after the drug is administered, and they have not had any in the people trialled, apart from the usual sore arm, etc, that is not to say it wont happen in some, it might. If you dont want it dont take it, worry about yourself and let others make their own choices :shrug:

My 85 year old aunt cant wait!

Completely agree. If you look at the side effects of paracetamol you wouldn't take it!

My Dad has been on and off the shielding list since March - he is on his own, has had heart problems in the past and he is 73. He will in that queue the minute they say he can so his life can continue. As it stands, he has had no life for 9 months that resembles anywhere near normal.

We can worry about this or start to move forward. Its a worry naturally but something that you have to weigh up as to the impact on your life.

[Cherie]

Completely agree. If you look at the side effects of paracetamol you wouldn't take it!

My Dad has been on and off the shielding list since March - he is on his own, has had heart problems in the past and he is 73. He will in that queue the minute they say he can so his life can continue. As it stands, he has had no life for 9 months that resembles anywhere near normal.

We can worry about this or start to move forward. Its a worry naturally but something that you have to weigh up as to the impact on your life.

and also with regard to being first, someone has to be first so why not the UK

If it were some other country in Europe there would be uproar that the UK had not approved, you can't win its just negativity whatever happens

[Vanessa]

I think it's very important that the most vulnerable are protected.
Deaths are going up at an alarming rate, so this vaccine offers real hope.

[Kizzy]

I’m talking about the only ‘cleared’ vaccine .

They said there were just 800,000 yesterday ... with each person needing two doses ( 21 days apart) .


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That's interesting, where did they say that? Yoknow this vaccine is potentially priceless and many will be willing to part with huge sums of money to be protected.
As we are the only country currently to have a vaccine what would the world's mega rich pay to be protected?

Can we be sure the doses the UK has are for us? If out of the several million we bought they are suggesting the amount available is 800,000 where have the rest gone?

[joeysteele]

It’s kinda disconcerting to learn that all the other countries feel that we have gone far too soon on this to get an advantage ..


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Oh I agree, there's been so much misinformation during this pandemic, I'm not surprised people have doubts and concerns.

Personally I'd support people getting it however I do understand the fears of those who will of course want this vaccine, however have insecurity and fear relating to it and how faster it's being put out to the public on the UK.

It's not always about choice to have it or not.

I'd say near all eligible for it would want it.
However their fears should not be dismissed as to its safety.
Also to the speed this appears to be possibly happening.

So I do see your point too.

[Nicky91]

It takes longer for the EU to approve the vaccine.
But I expect they will soon.

because they thoroughly review it, and we got 5 vaccines to review so that takes more time

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

5,641 new cases (706 more than yesterday)

153 new hospitalisations (11 more than yesterday) (1,595 in total)

21 new ICU patients (4 less than yesterday) (458 in total)

61 new deaths (5 less than yesterday)

[arista]

netherlands todays numbers

5,641 new cases (706 more than yesterday)

153 new hospitalisations (11 more than yesterday) (1,595 in total)

21 new ICU patients (4 less than yesterday) (458 in total)

61 new deaths (5 less than yesterday)


Can you add your Total Death Count
as well, please.

[MTVN]

^ per capita as well please

[Nicky91]

Can you add your Total Death Count
as well, please.

we do not report total death counts anymore

not important


number of hospitalisations is more important now

[arista]

we do not report total death counts anymore

not important


number of hospitalisations is more important now





9,645 Netherlands deaths
8,972 Bolivia deaths
8,515 Czechia deaths
8,446 Philippines deaths


But soon you will be on the above 10,000 Covid Death lists
I do,


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Alf]

I think it's very important that the most vulnerable are protected.
Deaths are going up at an alarming rate, so this vaccine offers real hope.Deaths go up this time of year every year, it's winter.

[arista]

Worldwide Nations above 10,000 Covid-19 Deaths

273,590 USA deaths
174,515 Brazil deaths
138,648 India deaths
107,565 Mexico deaths
60,113 United Kingdom deaths
57,045 Italy deaths
52,822 France deaths
49,348 Iran deaths
45,784 Spain deaths
41,173 Russia deaths
39,156 Argentina deaths
37,117 Colombia deaths
35,966 Peru deaths
21,709 South Africa deaths
18,828 Poland deaths
17,718 Germany deaths
17,355 Indonesia deaths
16,911 Belgium deaths
15,438 Chile deaths
14,129 Turkey deaths
13,562 Ecuador deaths
13,394 Ukraine deaths
12,361 Iraq deaths
12,342 Canada deaths
11,876 Romania deaths






https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

Today 414 have died.

Total UK deaths 60,113

Patients in hospital
15,236

Patients on ventilation
1,315


Today 14,879 Caught Covid-19.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[joeysteele]

Another depressing and devastating for so many, as to a landmark passed.
As to total deaths figure.

Crushing for those who've lost loved ones and who still are losing them too.
Due to covid.

[Nicky91]

Germany has extended its lockdown now more until 10th of January

major hotspots over there are more in the south and southwest

[Alf]

Another depressing and devastating for so many, as to a landmark passed.
As to total deaths figure.

Crushing for those who've lost loved ones and who still are losing them too.
Due to covid.On the bright side though, if all deaths are due to Covid, that means deaths from other things have been eliminated. No more flu or heart attacks or strokes or suicides.

[arista]

ITV1HD London News
has reported Basildon, Essex is getting near a Tier 3 level.

One mother has pulled her 3 kids out of School
she said the catch packed buses - no kid has a mask on.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/03/17/36404334-9014493-North_Yorkshire_Police_pictured_last_week_warned_p eople_could_fa-a-1_1607015949056.jpg
[North Yorkshire police spark fury by launching
border patrols with number plate recognition
cameras to stop people crossing from Tier 3 to Tier 2]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9014493/North-Yorkshire-police-spark-fury-launching-border-patrols-number-plate-recognition-cameras.html

[smudgie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/03/17/36404334-9014493-North_Yorkshire_Police_pictured_last_week_warned_p eople_could_fa-a-1_1607015949056.jpg
[North Yorkshire police spark fury by launching
border patrols with number plate recognition
cameras to stop people crossing from Tier 3 to Tier 2]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9014493/North-Yorkshire-police-spark-fury-launching-border-patrols-number-plate-recognition-cameras.html

Good job.
We are actually in North Yorkshire but in tier 3.
Wouldn’t dream of going over to Whitby etc.
Some truly ignorant self entitled people out there.:fist:

[joeysteele]

On the bright side though, if all deaths are due to Covid, that means deaths from other things have been eliminated. No more flu or heart attacks or strokes or suicides.

There's no bright side to deaths.
None.

[Alf]

There's no bright side to deaths.
None.But I was suggesting that other causes of deaths have vanished, which is a good thing, right?

[joeysteele]

But I was suggesting that other causes of deaths have vanished, which is a good thing, right?

They haven't vanished, they are still happening too.

We're in a pandemic they're bound to be presenting the covid deaths.

So no, it's not a good thing because all sets of deaths are still happening.
It just so happens even on manipulated figures, over 60,000 covid deaths have occurred this year, and sadly and worryingly only so far this year.,

[bots]

The UK is getting a coronavirus vaccine first because it is a "much better country" than France, Belgium and the US, says the education secretary.

Some UK ministers claim Brexit speeded the process up - but Gavin Williamson said it was down to having superior medical experts.

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That's our education secretary :facepalm:

[Kizzy]

'We' are a joke, our representatives are making us the laughing stick of Europe!

[Cherie]

The UK is getting a coronavirus vaccine first because it is a "much better country" than France, Belgium and the US, says the education secretary.

Some UK ministers claim Brexit speeded the process up - but Gavin Williamson said it was down to having superior medical experts.

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That's our education secretary :facepalm:

He is such a dweeb

[Samm]

On the bright side though, if all deaths are due to Covid, that means deaths from other things have been eliminated. No more flu or heart attacks or strokes or suicides.

Since when were heart attacks, strokes and suicides contagious :think:

[Alf]

Since when were heart attacks, strokes and suicides contagious :think:Since when did i say they were?

[Alf]

Grant Shapps basically let's us know that rich people can't transmit Covid.

Piss take? Yes or No?


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[Beastie]

There will be the biggest spike of deaths come January. All thanks to folk who will act like assholes over Crimbo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There will be the biggest spike of deaths come January. All thanks to folk who will act like assholes over Crimbo.

Pointless speculation

[Beastie]

Pointless speculation

Not as pointless as this post ;)

[Kizzy]

Pointless speculation

Not at all pointless.. there is a point. Beastie made a point, and its valid.If you are going to challenge people at least attempt to make sense.

[bots]

i agree with Beastie, i'm expecting a big spike mid january

[AnnieK]

Without doubt there will be an uptick come January. Locking everyone down in November and then releasing early December was always going to drive bigger footfall to shops etc to get the christmas shopping done. Hopefully, people will be sensible but I won't hold my breath

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/132B7/production/_115791587_mirrorfront0412-nc.png

[Cherie]

Fauci has now apologised for claiming the regulator in the UK has approved the vaccine too fast, US to approve next?

[Nicky91]

netherlands: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/ministers-experts-wrestle-with-christmas-wishes-how-many-can-come-to-dinner/

ministers, experts wrestle with christmas wishes, how many can come to dinner?

The government’s Outbreak Management Team will make its recommendations to the cabinet on Monday, ahead of Tuesday’s press conference update and amid mounting pressure from the hospitality industry to reopen.

In particular, officials are currently looking at the likely impact of opening restaurants for a few days on the infection rate. Unlike cafes and bars, they are not thought to have been a major cause of infection in the past.

However, epidemiologists are opposed to allowing cafes and bars to reopen, even for a short period. ‘It would be risky,’ OMT member Marion Koopmans told broadcaster NOS.

‘We will look at the public health institute analyses carefully but I don’t think we have much room to move. It would be a shame if we laid the basis for a third wave in December, just as the prospect of more testing and vaccinations are in sight.’

Dinner guests

Officials are also considering expanding the maximum number of guests from three to six during the Christmas break and allowing more youngsters to visit the cinema.

Extending the school holidays is also on the cards. Over 50 schools – 25 secondary and 28 primary – were closed for a period in November because of coronavirus outbreaks.

Meanwhile, dozens of Catholic churches have also cancelled their traditional midnight mass celebrations, because of fears that more than 30 people will show up, Trouw said on Friday.

Some churches are, however, planning online events instead.

[arista]

Fauci has now apologised for claiming the regulator in the UK has approved the vaccine too fast, US to approve next?


Yes that was good of him

[Nicky91]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55175735

Italy bans christmas travel between regions

Italy is banning travel between its regions from 21 December to 6 January as part of strict coronavirus curbs over the Christmas holidays.

A curfew from 22:00 to 05:00 will also be in place.

Restaurants can open in some regions until 18:00 but only takeaways are allowed in other parts of the country. Ski slopes must close until 7 January.

It comes as Italy announced its highest daily Covid death toll since the pandemic started, with 993 fatalities.

"We cannot let down our guard," Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte told a news conference.

"We must eliminate the risk of a third wave which could arrive in January - and not less serious than the first and the second," he added.

There will be travel exceptions for work, medical reasons or emergencies.

On top of the regional travel bans, people will not be allowed to leave their home towns on Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day.

The new curbs have been criticised in a joint statement by regional authorities, who say they were not consulted by the central government.

"The lack of discussion has made it impossible to balance the curbs with the needs of families," the statement said.

Attilio Fontana, governor of the northern Lombardy region, which has reported the most cases and deaths, called the new rules "crazy".

More than 58,000 people have lost their lives to Covid-19 in Italy.

Before Thursday, the country's previous record daily death toll was 969 on 27 March.

[Zizu]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55175735

Italy bans christmas travel between regions

Italy is banning travel between its regions from 21 December to 6 January as part of strict coronavirus curbs over the Christmas holidays.

A curfew from 22:00 to 05:00 will also be in place.

Restaurants can open in some regions until 18:00 but only takeaways are allowed in other parts of the country. Ski slopes must close until 7 January.

It comes as Italy announced its highest daily Covid death toll since the pandemic started, with 993 fatalities.

"We cannot let down our guard," Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte told a news conference.

"We must eliminate the risk of a third wave which could arrive in January - and not less serious than the first and the second," he added.

There will be travel exceptions for work, medical reasons or emergencies.

On top of the regional travel bans, people will not be allowed to leave their home towns on Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day.



More than 58,000 people have lost their lives to Covid-19 in Italy.

Before Thursday, the country's previous record daily death toll was 969 on 27 March.



I wish we were doing this instead of throwing petrol on the fire ...


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[arista]

[Italy bans christmas travel between regions]


Yes makes sense.

[bots]

Fauci has now apologised for claiming the regulator in the UK has approved the vaccine too fast, US to approve next?

they are due to approve it on the 10th, and lets face it, its the same vaccine, everyone knows they are going to approve it, so his initial comment was ill advised

[arista]

Wales has a Rise of Covid-19

ITV1HDnews showed angry Pub Owners
who will close for 2 weeks.

Wales begin's Vaccines on Tuesday.


17th of Dec they will review it.

That Wales Circuit Breaker
did not help them.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

5,935 new cases

189 new hospitalisations (1,625 in total)

28 new ICU patients (473 in total)

58 new deaths (9,613 in total)

[arista]

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[Zizu]

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It’s just media krap ... many haven’t even stopped having parties ..

The responsible folk will abide by the rules and regulations but the ‘usual suspects’ will continue to do their own thing ..


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[user104658]

i agree with Beastie, i'm expecting a big spike mid januaryA spike in deaths caused by the relaxed Christmas rules would most likely come in early to mid February, not mid January.

[Zizu]

A spike in deaths caused by the relaxed Christmas rules would most likely come in early to mid February, not mid January.



It’s difficult to say ... many are acting normally already and it’s only the 4th Dec.. .. Christmas shopping over the next two weeks could give a huge spike in infections .. ( deaths 28 days later according to the government stats )


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[bots]

A spike in deaths caused by the relaxed Christmas rules would most likely come in early to mid February, not mid January.

im talking about a spike in infection

[Zizu]

That's interesting, where did they say that? Yoknow this vaccine is potentially priceless and many will be willing to part with huge sums of money to be protected.

As we are the only country currently to have a vaccine what would the world's mega rich pay to be protected?



Can we be sure the doses the UK has are for us? If out of the several million we bought they are suggesting the amount available is 800,000 where have the rest gone?



Sky News just asking similar questions as we speak ...

They have just confirmed the 800,000 figure I quoted yesterday


They’re saying that it’s the first ‘blip’ that we have to contend with ... even finding enough people to administer the injections will be troublesome..

Also mentioned a possible shortage of glass viles as the whole world start to order / buy all the necessary equipment for vaccines at the same time !!


I also heard on the radio that organised crime will also play a part in this nightmare as some will try and steal the vaccines to sell on at inflated prices whilst others will be trying to sell ‘fake’ vaccines to all the desperate governments .


I’d imagine our government will be seen as easy pickings if they are willing to give £20 million to one guy for PPE !!

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[arista]

Today 504 have died

60,617 Total UK deaths

Patients in hospital
14,917

Patients on ventilation
1,261

16,298 Today have Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[hijaxers]

Sky News just asking similar questions as we speak ...

They have just confirmed the 800,000 figure I quoted yesterday


They’re saying that it’s the first ‘blip’ that we have to contend with ... even finding enough people to administer the injections will be troublesome..

Also mentioned a possible shortage of glass viles as the whole world start to order / buy all the necessary equipment for vaccines at the same time !!


I also heard on the radio that organised crime will also play a part in this nightmare as some will try and steal the vaccines to sell on at inflated prices whilst others will be trying to sell ‘fake’ vaccines to all the desperate governments .


I’d imagine our government will be seen as easy pickings if they are willing to give £20 million to one guy for PPE !!

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As per there is always dispicable people waiting to pounce and they really don't care if it involves peoples lives whether it be traffiking , channel crossings , animals, drugs ~ well everything ~ its just all about money and greed ! it really is 'filthy lucre'

[Alf]

Covid restrictions are only for the little people.


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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/F38E/production/_115805326_express5december.jpg

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/10A36/production/_115805186_mirror5dec.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eobv5-sW8AMfSKE?format=jpg&name=medium

[Zizu]

You and I seem to have similar sleep patterns :)


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[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

6,577 new cases (656 more than yesterday)

189 new hospitalisations (same as yesterday) (1,602 in total)

31 new ICU patients (3 more than yesterday) (472 in total)

39 new deaths (9,662 in total)

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/05/11/article-9020737-36476880-683_964x543.jpg

[bots]

it's Keir Starmer's turn to isolate again :laugh:

[Zizu]

it's Keir Starmer's turn to isolate again :laugh:



No great loss ... he’s got so predictable now that we can guess what he’d be saying at PMs question-time ..


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[arista]

Today 397 have died
61,014 total UK deaths.

Patients in hospital
14,556

Patients on ventilation
1,274

15,539 have caught Covid-19 today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

it's Keir Starmer's turn to isolate again :laugh:


Yes


[COVID-19: Keir Starmer forced to self-isolate again
after staff member tests positive
The leader of the opposition
will be working from home until he comes out
of quaratine on 16 December, a spokesperson said.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-sir-keir-starmer-self-isolating-again-after-staff-member-tests-positive-12151990

[Nicky91]

Today 397 have died
61,014 total UK deaths.

Patients in hospital
14,556

Patients on ventilation
1,274

15,539 have caught Covid-19 today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

it's also not looking like it's going down that much with you guys either

:(

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EohNO4OXYAA8Wbg?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

From todays BBC1HD 10AM Politics England.
Midlands.


A Florist near a Supermarket
is now selling Pet Food so he can stay open.

Before in the Lockdown he had to close
but the Supermarket Sold flowers and could stay open.


In a Full Lockdown
that Florist now selling Pet Food
and Flowers will be legal to stay open.

[arista]

Today 231 Died

61,245 Total UK Deaths.

17,272 new Covid-19 Deaths


Patients in hospital
14,556


Patients on ventilation
1,274

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Note to get today's results Click each section

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EomAOJHW4AEbSti?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/B096/production/_115860254_star7dec.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/05/22/36488280-9021981-image-m-17_1607205955588.jpg
[Hundreds of young people attempted to
enter luxury department store
Harrods in Knightsbridge,
London on Saturday night
and crowded together in the streets outside]



Why No masks on?

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/07/01/36488288-9023459-Metropolitan_Police_confirmed_that_officers_were_c alled_to_repor-a-67_1607303883181.jpg
Good on the Police
with Masks on.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/06/08/36494446-9021981-image-a-28_1607244995640.jpg


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/07/01/36494444-9023459-image-a-73_1607303884276.jpg


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/07/01/36494450-9023459-image-a-75_1607303884279.jpg

[joeysteele]

No great loss ... he’s got so predictable now that we can guess what he’d be saying at PMs question-time ..


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Well at least he asks relevant questions.

However, with this current PM, the whole PMQs is likely the biggest waste of time possible politically.

Starmer may as well just send a video of him asking Johnson his earlier questions, stating he'l keep doing so to try even get some relevant answers to even those earlier questions.

No point in putting any more until the previous ones are answered

I thought Mrs May was bad, however this present PM has taken PMQs maybe permanently to the gutter.
It needs massive reforming and the Speaker needs to control things better to, to ensure questions are asked and that question answered.

No going off on speeches by Johnson.
Otherwise, (this has been for a while admittedly), PMQs just needs scrapping.
I love politics but PMQs under this PM is an absolute non event.
With in my view too, an inept Speaker too.

[Alf]

What is this Hell we're living in? and when does the fighting start?



1335624786681208832

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/e400m-voucher-bank-to-guarantee-refunds-for-cancelled-holidays/

Netherlands: an extra 400 million euro for travel compensation fund, for any cancelled holidays

[Cherie]

What is this Hell we're living in? and when does the fighting start?



1335624786681208832

omg that is horrendous, that woman did not look well at all poor thing

[smudgie]

omg that is horrendous, that woman did not look well at all poor thing

I would have put that ruddy window in if that had been my dad.
Utter disgrace.:fist:

[Cherie]

I would have put that ruddy window in if that had been my dad.
Utter disgrace.:fist:

Wheeling her away as well, like something you would see in a horror film, why did they need 'the manager' to call for a paramedic to check on the lady

I wonder if the daughter could call an ambulance on her mothers behalf or is the duty of care with the care home?

[Nicky91]

Wheeling her away as well, like something you would see in a horror film, why did they need 'the manager' to call for a paramedic to check on the lady

I wonder if the daughter could call an ambulance on her mothers behalf or is the duty of care with the care home?

yes it's quite sad these times for all elderly in care homes :(

but honestly, we also need to protect them from covid

[Ammi]

Nearly a third of Britons don’t want to take Covid vaccine, poll shows...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nearly-third-britons-don-t-233506384.html

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

7,134 new cases (333 more than yesterday)

150 new hospitalisations (10 less than yesterday) (1,660 in total)

24 new ICU patients (3 more than yesterday) (470 in total)

19 new deaths (6 less than yesterday) (9,706 in total)

[Nicky91]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55198173

US Most of California under strict new lockdown as cases surge

Most parts of the US state of California are under a strict new lockdown, as Covid-19 continues to surge across the country.

The stay-at-home order affects around 85% of the state's 40 million people. It will be in place for at least three weeks and cover the Christmas holiday.

Many businesses will be closed, and people will be banned from meeting anyone outside their household.

On Sunday, the US had a record number of people in hospital with Covid-19.

The country has seen a sharp rise in cases and Covid-related deaths in recent weeks, a surge that could be partly down to last month's Thanksgiving holiday, when millions of Americans travelled around the US.

What are the new restrictions?

Governor Gavin Newsom has ordered that when capacity at intensive care units in any of five regions of the state goes below 15%, that region will go into lockdown within 24 hours.

The stay-at-home orders triggered in this way will be similar to the far-reaching order issued for the state after the pandemic first hit in March, but with a few significant relaxations:

*All retail stores are able to stay open, although only at 20% capacity, along with outside spaces such as parks and beaches

*Gatherings are prohibited, and people are required to stay at home and minimise contact with other households

*Bars, hair salons and indoor restaurants are closed

The lockdown will last for at least three weeks, and until ICU capacity goes above 15% again. Mr Newsom said the measures would help to "flatten the curve" and reduce the pressure on health services.

"We are at a tipping point in our fight against the virus and we need to take decisive action now to prevent California's hospital system from being overwhelmed in the coming weeks," he said last week.

How did it come to this?

The situation in California reflects a surge in infections nationwide. The state, which has the largest number of confirmed cases in the US, reported an additional 30,000 infections on Sunday, a new record.

It has recorded more than 1.3 million cases and around 21,000 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic.

Intensive care capacity in two of the five regions set up by state officials for the purposes of the stay-at-home order - Southern California and the central San Joaquin Valley - fell below 15% on Friday.

Southern California, which includes Los Angeles and San Diego, the state's two largest cities, fell to 12.5% on Saturday, and San Joaquin to just 8.6%.

[Cherie]

Nearly a third of Britons don’t want to take Covid vaccine, poll shows...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nearly-third-britons-don-t-233506384.html

thought it would be more to be honest 33%, some of whom will have no choice if they wish to travel so I would imagine that will be pushed downwards closer to 15% or less as it is rolled out

[arista]

Yes California
has to stay in Total Lockdown.

[Zizu]

thought it would be more to be honest 33%, some of whom will have no choice if they wish to travel so I would imagine that will be pushed downwards closer to 15% or less as it is rolled out



I believe it’s far higher than 33% not being happy about having vaccine ( at this stage) ... I’ve seen how some are very apprehensive/ reluctant in conversation but when asked in a group situation they kept quiet or approved ..


That suggests they were simply being pressured into going with the ‘flow’ of the conversation driven by some of our younger colleagues.


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[arista]

Today 189 have died

61,434 Total UK deaths

Patients in hospital
14,556

Patients on ventilation
1,274

14,718 today Caught Covid-19 in the UK


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Nearly a third of Britons don’t want to take Covid vaccine, poll shows...





https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nearly-third-britons-don-t-233506384.html



Sky reporting it’s 1 in 5 (20%)
that are apprehensive .

This is the problem with the media imho


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[AnnieK]

Will be interesting to see the Tier reviews on 16th.....Gtr Manchester still dropping but London rising with a far higher infection rate now than Mcr. Bet we stay in Tier 3 and they in Tier 2 though.

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/D6BC/production/_115927945_starfront08-12-20.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EorQPogXEAE_FpJ?format=jpg&name=medium

[LaLaLand]

Whoever is first in line to get the jab must be getting ready now wherever they're launching it [top secret location] as the ITV News said the first lot will be given "before dawn".

Can't believe the day has come honestly. Here's to, hopefully, the beginning of the end of the pandemic as we know it. :love: :fc:

[arista]

Whoever is first in line to get the jab must be getting ready now wherever they're launching it [top secret location] as the ITV News said the first lot will be given "before dawn".

Can't believe the day has come honestly. Here's to, hopefully, the beginning of the end of the pandemic as we know it. :love: :fc:


Hang on a Second
as there are slight problems
like the Time that injection will last.

So it will have to be all over again
when they have found out the early takers
of this med., are getting ill again.

[arista]

I like the Way SkyNewsHD
now puts a Location like Newcastle-Tier 3

So every Reporter or interview
we know they what
Tier they are in.


Meanwhile live in Glasgow
on GMBHD itv
Scotland is adjusting some rules.
On Friday Scottish Tier 4 to move to Scottish Tier 3

[AnnieK]

Hang on a Second
as there are slight problems
like the Time that injection will last.

So it will have to be all over again
when they have found out the early takers
of this med., are getting ill again.

It's still a momentous occasion Arista. We finally have some hope that there could be a way out of this for us all. The flu jab is an annual jab....so what if the Covid jab is too? Don't be a doom maker all the time

[arista]

It's still a momentous occasion Arista. We finally have some hope that there could be a way out of this for us all. The flu jab is an annual jab....so what if the Covid jab is too? Don't be a doom maker all the time


Yes it a Step in the Right Direction.


Meanwhile
Radio 5 just reported No Kay Burley
as she had a birthday party
that breached Covid Rules.



[Burley, who was facing an internal inquiry on Monday night over the incident,
went to the Century Club in Soho, London,
to mark the occasion in a group of 10 that included Sky colleagues Beth Rigby,
Inzamam Rashid and Sam Washington.
The group sat at two tables, of six and four, before going on to
a nearby restaurant, Folie.
A smaller group of four then returned to Burley’s home to continue the celebrations.]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/07/kay-burley-apologises-over-birthday-party-that-broke-coronavirus-rules

[Burley has been a stern interrogator of politicians who
have been perceived as making excuses over lockdown breaches this year.]

She loves picking on MP's that do what she
has just done.

[arista]

The First Injection
on Camera
at Coventry Hospital.

A 90 year old lady
got her injection 1
in her arm.

Part 2 injection in 21 days.

[Ammi]

...just adding to that, Arista...


Grandmother-of-four Margaret Keenan, 90, has become the first person in the world to receive the jab as part of a vaccination programme.

Mrs Keenan, who has lived in Coventry for six decades but is originally from Eniniskillen, Northern Ireland, was given the vaccine by nurse May Parsons at the city's University Hospital at 6.31am.

She said being the first was "a privilege" and "the best early birthday present I could wish for" as it would mean she could spend time with her family and friends in the New Year "after being on my own for most of the year".

She thanked Ms Parsons and the NHS staff for looking after her "tremendously".

And added: "My advice to anyone offered the vaccine is to take it - if I can have it at 90 then you can have it too!"


...Margaret Keenan...:lovedup:...

[arista]

William Shakespeare
is the 2nd to get the Vaccine on Camera

[user104658]

I know I know I'm a pessimist and I piss on everyone's chips etc etc. but honestly, I do have my concerns with the current situation. We have no idea how effective the vaccines are outside of test conditions, we have no idea how long immunity lasts, and we have no idea how likely it is that Covid will at some point (or already has) gone through a mutation that impacts vaccine effectiveness.

Is it cause for cautious optimism? Sure, but there's a phrase about "counting chickens" that springs to mind on this one, and as always my worry is the social effect of people firmly believing we've now "beaten Covid" if we in fact have not.

[Cherie]

Yes it a Step in the Right Direction.


Meanwhile
Radio 5 just reported No Kay Burley
as she had a birthday party
that breached Covid Rules.



[Burley, who was facing an internal inquiry on Monday night over the incident,
went to the Century Club in Soho, London,
to mark the occasion in a group of 10 that included Sky colleagues Beth Rigby,
Inzamam Rashid and Sam Washington.
The group sat at two tables, of six and four, before going on to
a nearby restaurant, Folie.
A smaller group of four then returned to Burley’s home to continue the celebrations.]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/07/kay-burley-apologises-over-birthday-party-that-broke-coronavirus-rules

[Burley has been a stern interrogator of politicians who
have been perceived as making excuses over lockdown breaches this year.]

She loves picking on MP's that do what she
has just done.

Oh dear, what is wrong with these people that they can't give up their birthday celebrations for now, no household mixing so it doesn't matter if they sat at different tables, they are all different households.

[Ammi]

I know I know I'm a pessimist and I piss on everyone's chips etc etc. but honestly, I do have my concerns with the current situation. We have no idea how effective the vaccines are outside of test conditions, we have no idea how long immunity lasts, and we have no idea how likely it is that Covid will at some point (or already has) gone through a mutation that impacts vaccine effectiveness.

Is it cause for cautious optimism? Sure, but there's a phrase about "counting chickens" that springs to mind on this one, and as always my worry is the social effect of people firmly believing we've now "beaten Covid" if we in fact have not.

...I guess that we may not have ‘beaten it’ yet, TS...but there was no way of suppressing it at all before, other than to distance from living and distance from freedoms and the loss of so much for so many people in so many ways...?...this is a hugely optimistic and exciting time for those who work in the vaccine world, is all I know, it’s felt pretty confidently of the effectiveness outside of test conditions...otherwise it wouldn’t have been released and passed...we’ve never had so many amazing and knowledgable minds in the medical science world so focused on one same thing...well, ever ...if the vaccine lasted 6 months, for instance...then in that 6 months there would be more tweaks/advancements/more scientific working etc I would think, so that maybe only one injection would be needed and the immunity lasting longer, possibly..?...so every step of any immunity from the vaccine will be a step closer to ‘beaten’ or to very manageable control...there may still be a huge amount of steps on the ladder but now we’re beginning that climb ...


...no one is counting chickens so much as just taking each step we’re able to, to hopefully a more meaningful life...

[Cherie]

I know I know I'm a pessimist and I piss on everyone's chips etc etc. but honestly, I do have my concerns with the current situation. We have no idea how effective the vaccines are outside of test conditions, we have no idea how long immunity lasts, and we have no idea how likely it is that Covid will at some point (or already has) gone through a mutation that impacts vaccine effectiveness.

Is it cause for cautious optimism? Sure, but there's a phrase about "counting chickens" that springs to mind on this one, and as always my worry is the social effect of people firmly believing we've now "beaten Covid" if we in fact have not.

I think they people who weren't following the guidelines either way will continue and those who have will continue to do so as long as they are following what is going on of course, if they are not and are taking their news from headlines then who knows

Also for anyone in a care home, or families of those the relief that they will finally be able to visit will be enormous.

[Cherie]

I heard a vaccinologist say yesterday that Moderna developed the vaccine almost straight away due to the virus having been sequenced so quickly

[Nicky91]

William Shakespeare
is the 2nd to get the Vaccine on Camera

:o they managed to send the vaccine back with a time machine

[Cherie]

:o they managed to send the vaccine back with a time machine

and Richard the third :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Firstly I want to re-state there are endless wrongs that have been done, maybe even deliberately during this pandemic via the PM's his Ministers and government's incompetence leading to dangerous and fatal results.
Which are in my personal view unforgivable.

However, this is really good news and IF the government has at last, even just on the roll out of this vaccine over the coming months, got its act firmly together, then it is to be praised for it unreservedly.
Which I do so too.

Obviously we need to see what results the mass roll out brings about.
However, it has to be done and I just hope all will go well and now at last instead of risking lives, lives now really can be saved as to this vile virus.

My other concern however, is now as to a likely minority of people, which is not really known if it is a minority or not.
I heard in a supermarket yesterday, comments from people, 'the vaccine is being given now so it's just about all over'.

That is worrying if any think like that.
I just hope it doesn't lead to more carelessness over the coming months.
I think the roll out beginning now, very selectively is wise at first.
However this 5 day break of restrictions over Christmas, I still think a mistake.
With reports of people now getting the vaccine, that could lead to the thinking, well they've a vaccine now, they'd be able to deal with it easier now.
I hope not, however I have that concern.

I'd also like to express to all staff in the NHS and care sectors who, after being put at serious risk over the earlier months of ths pandemic, I'd like to express my support and thanks to them for all their selfless attitude, then and now.
To all the staff involved too, who work in the NHS and care sector from other Nations.
To thank them for their commitment to the UK and for the tireless work they do for all of us who needed or need their care.

I hope this worrying government, will reward them rightly and more importantly really respect them for their service of care in the UK.
Treat them with respect not just pay lip service.

[arista]

I know I know I'm a pessimist and I piss on everyone's chips etc etc. but honestly, I do have my concerns with the current situation. We have no idea how effective the vaccines are outside of test conditions, we have no idea how long immunity lasts, and we have no idea how likely it is that Covid will at some point (or already has) gone through a mutation that impacts vaccine effectiveness.

Is it cause for cautious optimism? Sure, but there's a phrase about "counting chickens" that springs to mind on this one, and as always my worry is the social effect of people firmly believing we've now "beaten Covid" if we in fact have not.


More than 6 months

[arista]

Yes Joey
The Home Sec thinks by Spring
no face masks.


What a Utter Fool.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201208/merkel-says-germany-wont-get-through-the-winter-with-these-covid-19-measures

https://www.thelocal.de/20201206/bavaria-to-move-into-tougher-lockdown-ahead-of-christmas

https://www.thelocal.de/20201207/who-will-receive-the-first-coronavirus-vaccine-jabs-in-germany-and-when

Merkel: germany won't get through winter with current covid-19 measures, calls for even stricter measures, since south and south-west of the nation there are still loads of new cases daily so Bavaria region moves into tougher lockdown

and also who in germany will receive first vaccine jabs and when


i also saw a interview on RTL with Professor Kahler and he did a test with all sorts of face masks, and this one FFP2 came out the best, 95% effectiveness, a test with smoke, and no smoke came through that one, which means covid virus can also not get through that one, but you need to wear the mask properly at all times, and he also says wearing protective glasses might be good either

https://mondkapjeskopen.online/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/kn95-20-PACK-2-1.jpg

[bots]

I know I know I'm a pessimist and I piss on everyone's chips etc etc. but honestly, I do have my concerns with the current situation. We have no idea how effective the vaccines are outside of test conditions, we have no idea how long immunity lasts, and we have no idea how likely it is that Covid will at some point (or already has) gone through a mutation that impacts vaccine effectiveness.

Is it cause for cautious optimism? Sure, but there's a phrase about "counting chickens" that springs to mind on this one, and as always my worry is the social effect of people firmly believing we've now "beaten Covid" if we in fact have not.

much depends on the percentage of the world population gets vaccinated. If its high, then the need for repeat vaccinations would reduce as the virus would have much less chance of mutating. We may need to get another one in a years time to take account of the transition to a vaccinated state across the world population

[user104658]

much depends on the percentage of the world population gets vaccinated. If its high, then the need for repeat vaccinations would reduce as the virus would have much less chance of mutating. We may need to get another one in a years time to take account of the transition to a vaccinated state across the world population

It seems unlikely that large proportions of the world's population will be vaccinated at once given that;

1) Even countries like the UK will not manage to orchestrate an effective fast rollout. People worry about "those who don't want to take the vaccine" but it's a moot point - it will take 6 months to a year to get even the 2/3 of the population that wants to be vaccinated done - quote me on that later :joker:

2) Rich countries have bought up vast stocks of all of the vaccines (in some cases 10x more than necessary) because we can, leaving little to none for the less wealthy (highly populated) countries because... well... that's the world. Unless we start giving them away, "the world" isn't getting vaccinated.

Our selfish best hope is that the vaccine is very successful in terms of both %age immunity and longevity and we can go back to normal, and leave the less privileged 2/3 of the planet to get sick. Which is business as usual, let's face it, no one really gave a **** that West Africa has had Ebola for years, I don't think we're going to start caring that most of the global population won't be getting a Covid jab any time soon.

[arista]

The Cock
(Health Sec)
is Live on both news channels

[arista]

TS are you getting this injection
when you are asked?

[arista]

Express Test in Gatwick Airport
has not been able to handle the Thousands
that all needed to PreFlight First Covid test.

They did not know it would get that busy?

Ref : BBC Report today

[user104658]

TS are you getting this injection
when you are asked?

THIS injection, as in Pfizer? Probably not, though I would be far more likely to trust the Oxford/AstraZeneca when it's approved, and would likely take it. I'm literally rock bottom on the priorities list though Arista as I'm a chunk of prime beef in my 30's, so I have a strong suspicion it will be the Oxford vaccine by the time I'm getting it.

My reasoning is that I have strong suspicions that Pfizer has been rushed out less for public health, and more to boost market confidence. It may or may not be safe and effective (on balance, it probably is at least safe) but the whole charade smacks of PR.

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

6,187 new cases (932 less than yesterday)

in hospitals now 1,700 patients (compared to yesterday 1,660)

ICU dropped with 6 from 470 to 464


no new deaths known as of yet, and we also do not show the death total anymore either

[Tom4784]

I never really realised how much the anti-vaxxer 'logic' stuck with people in the UK until talk of a vaccine became reality. It's honestly depressed me how many people I know are doubting the vaccine. not because of valid concerns but because of **** on facebook or things they've heard from their friends.

[arista]

THIS injection, as in Pfizer? Probably not, though I would be far more likely to trust the Oxford/AstraZeneca when it's approved, and would likely take it. I'm literally rock bottom on the priorities list though Arista as I'm a chunk of prime beef in my 30's, so I have a strong suspicion it will be the Oxford vaccine by the time I'm getting it.

My reasoning is that I have strong suspicions that Pfizer has been rushed out less for public health, and more to boost market confidence. It may or may not be safe and effective (on balance, it probably is at least safe) but the whole charade smacks of PR.



Yes that makes sense TS
we should get more data in 2 weeks time
on the Oxford/AstraZeneca Vaccine

[Crimson Dynamo]

More good positive news from Scotland from Nicola today in her special briefing

[Zizu]

I never really realised how much the anti-vaxxer 'logic' stuck with people in the UK until talk of a vaccine became reality. It's honestly depressed me how many people I know are doubting the vaccine. not because of valid concerns but because of **** on facebook or things they've heard from their friends.



My main concern has always been that we can’t possibly know about any potential long - term side effects after just a few weeks testing .


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: tonight a press conference again from PM Rutte and health minister De Jonge


more about how measures will remain strict, and probably also how we can't celebrate christmas with too many people

[arista]

Today 616 have Died
62,033 Total UK deaths


12,282 Today caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
14,807

Patients on ventilation
1,271


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

So we have details of the first person to be vaccinated against Covid .. we have seen photos of the nurse who gave her the injection ..

I wonder how long we will have to wait for the first vaccinated person to contract Covid ..


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[Zizu]

Remind me .. who’s getting the first vaccines ??


Please tell me it’s all the front line health workers in hospitals ( nurses , doctors etc) and care home workers !?!?





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[bots]

Remind me .. who’s getting the first vaccines ??


Please tell me it’s all the front line health workers in hospitals ( nurses , doctors etc) and care home workers !?!?


and those over 80 ... we are way down the list :laugh:

[arista]

and those over 80 ... we are way down the list :laugh:



Sure but soon the Oxford Vaccine will
be cleared for use

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201208/scientists-plead-for-hard-lockdown-in-germany-as-fears-grow-over-covid-19-spike-at-christmas

Germany update: scientists over there plead for a Hard Lockdown, this must come as good news for Merkel whom already wanted that, so this will get through with all regions in next meeting i think

[Nicky91]

the more i hear Rutte talk, he just says nothing new, repeating for people to stay alert

''if we are not careful enough, stricter measures might be necessary''


umm, stricter measures are already necessary now :umm2:

[arista]

Ch4HDnews are in Wales
the Hospitals are all full.

The Covid-19 is getting worse.

[Zizu]

and those over 80 ... we are way down the list :laugh:



I just hope hospital nurses and doctors get vaccinated first as if they all go down ill over the coming 6 weeks or so it will be catastrophic .


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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/3D28/production/_115965651_telegraph.jpg

[bots]

well, seeing the first people being vaccinated brought a lump to my throat, i don't mind saying. It was such an uplifting moment in what has been a completely **** year

[AnnieK]

well, seeing the first people being vaccinated brought a lump to my throat, i don't mind saying. It was such an uplifting moment in what has been a completely **** year

Aw, I agree. My FB stream was full of people putting pics of their parents and grandparents all being vaccinated with massive smiles on their faces. I know the immediate future is still very uncertain with regards to how effective the vaccine is and whether it actually stops transmission but its the first time I've seen a lot of genuine smiles and hopes for months......and its priceless

[arista]

Coronavirus: BMW, Honda and Toyota suspend UK car production

[The UK car industry is slowly grinding
to a halt after BMW, Toyota and Honda said
they would temporarily shut down
their UK factories because of the coronavirus pandemic.
Nissan and Vauxhall have already closed
plants amid falling sales and a lack
of parts caused by the epidemic.
Jaguar Land Rover is expected to halt
production in the coming days.
In North America, Ford and General Motors
are among the firms also shutting
factories due to the virus.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51944301

[arista]

The Owner of Pimlico Plumbers (Charlie Mullins)
was just on a Live Link on GMBHD itv.
Has said all his workers will get the Vaccine.
Then he states all customers must have it?

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/three-guests-for-christmas-dinner-and-tougher-measures-are-on-the-cards/

Netherlands: 3 guests at christmas dinner, and tougher measures are on the cards but not yet


Vaccinations

Health minister Hugo de Jonge said that the first delivery of vaccines will now be in the first week in January rather than December, but that every effort is geared towards starting the mass vaccination programme as soon as possible.

In addition, fewer vaccines will be delivered in the first instance than had been hoped, in line with the European ‘fair shares’ approach, he said.

‘Nevertheless, it is a complicated puzzle,’ De Jonge said. The European Medicines Agency has to approve the vaccine for each particular group and that too may change the approach the Netherlands takes, he said.

‘It will be the summer before everyone is vaccinated, but at the same time, we must be wary of that “we’re almost there feeling”,’ the minister said.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1336570022093852673

[arista]

Nicky that tweet could also go on
The Light at the Tunnel Vaccine thread.

[Cherie]

The Owner of Pimlico Plumbers (Charlie Mullins)
was just on a Live Link on GMBHD itv.
Has said all his workers will get the Vaccine.
Then he states all customers must have it?

:joker: I love watching him he is so bullish

I can imagine him at the door administering jabs as the customers roll in

[joeysteele]

No apologies from me for my strong words here even at this time.

This is good positive moves forward at last.
I again congratulate all, all over all Nations who have fought to develop this vaccine.

I also give credit to the government for as rapid a roll out, in a planned way too.

However, my dismay remains at our death rate all through this pandemic and how we've gone back to thousands more deaths weekly in the second wave again too.
Even on the government's ridiculous only recording official deaths of covid as those occurring 28 days from diagnosis.

I have no liking for Piers Morgan, he has however ripped apart Gove this morning.
If Gove performs in a public inquiry the way he did in that interview this morning.
The only conclusion could be, in my opinion, this government has been deceitful and incompetent all through.

It should be a strong public inquiry, there are hoards of groups representing those who have lost loved ones unnecessarily in the UK.
With all the strong evidence and information those relatives and groups have.

The inquiry must be fully open and take in all accounts of all the groupings who have and are, gathering the factual substantiated information and evidence of what assisted by incompetence of those in power, this virus to destroy families by the losses of their loved ones unnecessarily, leaving those families crushed and devastated.

The way Gove was this morning, fills me with great hope and even confidence that those conducting a public inquiry, will see through this PM's and his Ministers deceit certainly in the first wave.
However too, still presiding over way too many losses of lives in the second wave.

I'm not sure this PM may want to be PM when this inquiry is running and concluded.
Because it's clear to me, all we've had from him and government Ministers is deceit.
Deceit now stemming from their incompetence.

This vaccine is wonderful news, definitely and while it will save lives and protect families now from losing more loved ones before their time.
It is not a redemption for this PM and his government.
Where in dealing with the pandemic, HE and THEY CHOSE, yes chose, to exclude and do all their way only.
Dismissing science, health experts and other elected representatives of the Nation too.

They chose that path, the buck stops at the PM and his Ministers door.
No other door.

Just as Iraq with Blair.
I think, and hope too, this PM will never be allowed by a majority after the public inquiry to ever shake of the rightful shame he and his ministers should feel at the end results pre the vaccine, of this pandemic.

[arista]

:joker: I love watching him he is so bullish

I can imagine him at the door administering jabs as the customers roll in


Yes no messing with Pimlico Plumbers

[arista]

"I have no liking for Piers Morgan, he has however ripped apart Gove this morning."


Yes but Gove
would not say Sorry.

[Zizu]

We keep being told that infections in Wales are steadily rising still .. but now they’re REDUCING the self Isolation time DOWN from 14 days to just 10 days !?!

Confusing..


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: 3.7 Billion euro for new stricter measures, with this extra money the government wants to prevent people losing their jobs or companies now this coronacrisis is going on for a while longer than expected

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/government-allocates-an-extra-e3-7bn-to-help-industry-extends-support-package/

[Zizu]

Netherlands: 3.7 Billion euro for new stricter measures, with this extra money the government wants to prevent people losing their jobs or companies now this coronacrisis is going on for a while longer than expected

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/government-allocates-an-extra-e3-7bn-to-help-industry-extends-support-package/



Makes you wonder how all these countries can suddenly find BILLIONS of pounds / euros/ dollars after them all crying poverty for all these years !!??


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[joeysteele]

"I have no liking for Piers Morgan, he has however ripped apart Gove this morning."


Yes but Gove
would not say Sorry.


Just highlights Gove's great ignorance even more does that..

He looked and sounded being deliberately deceitful.
Sorry isn't a word this PM or his Ministers think they should say, never mind actually say it.
So that was no surprise.

However he had no answers to the factual points Morgan was putting to him.
To me, if he remains so, this deliberately deceitful in a public inquiry,will easily help said inquiry to further rightly condemn these Ministers for their dangerous incompetence, with the catastrophic losses of lives of others loved ones to be laid at their doors too.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/08/22/36613724-0-image-a-58_1607467063073.jpg


Well done the hard working Royals
visiting Nurses and staff
and thanking them.


The SNP leader
not being nice to them//////////////////

[arista]

1336642618688729088

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

6,589 new cases (421 more than yesterday) 291.254 in total now number of cases

194 new hospitalisations 1,684 in total

36 new ICU patients 473 in total

66 new deaths 9,841 in total

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20201209/merkel-demands-tougher-curbs-as-covid-19-deaths-in-germany-break-record

Germany: Merkel demands tougher curbs as covid-19 deaths breaks daily record of nearly 600


"When Glühwein (mulled wine) stands are being built, when waffle stands are being built, that's not compatible with what we had agreed of only takeaways for food and drinks," she told parliament, in reference to traditional German Christmas markets.

"I am really sorry from the bottom of my heart... but if the price we pay is 590 deaths a day then then that, in my view, is not acceptable."

"We must do everything we can to ensure that we do not again experience exponential growth," said Merkel, in her emotional speech before the debate on the budget.

Germany has ordered far less stringent shutdown rules than other major European nations after coming through the first wave of the pandemic relatively unscathed.

But Europe's biggest economy has been severely hit by a second wave with daily new infections more than three times that of the peak in the spring.
.

[Zizu]

1336642618688729088



I’ve only just realised that Brexit kicks in soon and we will somehow be trying to IMPORT millions of doses of vaccine with no deal agreed


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoK9TlTW4AImMI5?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

I’ve only just realised that Brexit kicks in soon and we will somehow be trying to IMPORT millions of doses of vaccine with no deal agreed


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProNot to Brexiteer, but that only really matters if they're produced or manufactured in the EU which they probably won't be.

[Zizu]

Sky now reporting that London is likely to go into Tier 3 any day after infections rate continues to rise ..

We haven’t even got close to the 5 day ( ten really) ‘ease-down’ yet !!


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[Cherie]

Sky now reporting that London is likely to go into Tier 3 any day after infections rate continues to rise ..

We haven’t even got close to the 5 day ( ten really) ‘ease-down’ yet !!


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Will not be surprised if that happens, London was taken on an average, some Boroughs were very high

[Cherie]

Not to Brexiteer, but that only really matters if they're produced or manufactured in the EU which they probably won't be.

Pretty sure the majority are being produced in India

[arista]

Sky now reporting that London is likely to go into Tier 3 any day after infections rate continues to rise ..

We haven’t even got close to the 5 day ( ten really) ‘ease-down’ yet !!


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Yes its many newspapers today.

[arista]

Today 533 have died

62,566 Total UK deaths

16,578 Today have Covid-19

Patients in hospital
15,254

Patients on ventilation
1,272

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Ammi]

COVID lockdown can only be eased once 20 million are vaccinated, warns Chris Whitty...


Nearly a third of the UK will have to be vaccinated before COVID restrictions can be lifted, England’s chief medical officer has warned.

Speaking at the Commons Science and Technology and Health and Social Care committees on Wednesday, Chris Whitty said lockdown rules could not be eased until some 20 million vulnerable people are vaccinated.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-lockdown-eased-20-million-people-vaccinated-chris-whitty-145533543.html

[Zizu]

COVID lockdown can only be eased once 20 million are vaccinated, warns Chris Whitty...





Nearly a third of the UK will have to be vaccinated before COVID restrictions can be lifted, England’s chief medical officer has warned.



Speaking at the Commons Science and Technology and Health and Social Care committees on Wednesday, Chris Whitty said lockdown rules could not be eased until some 20 million vulnerable people are vaccinated.



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-lockdown-eased-20-million-people-vaccinated-chris-whitty-145533543.html



I thought they said a while back that 60% to 70% at least had to be vaccinated


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[bots]

55% of the population and above vaccinated is required for herd immunity. The restrictions will ease as hospital beds usage and deaths decrease. By the summer I think things will be pretty good

[arista]

Sky now reporting that London is likely to go into Tier 3 any day after infections rate continues to rise ..

We haven’t even got close to the 5 day ( ten really) ‘ease-down’ yet !!




Also Tier 3
on ITV1HD London News & BBC1 London News

[user104658]

A friend and ex-colleague of my wife got the first jab today so I'll let y'all know if she grows two heads or whatever.

If it was this time a month ago my wife would have probably had it at the same time. She's low-priority in her new role, though, as they're not doing much (if any) face-to-face.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo1N0MpU0AIKqo5?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo0wteqXUAAL9DC?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/FF75/production/_115979356_thesun.jpg

[Nicky91]

https://images.livemint.com/img/2020/12/10/600x338/2020-09-30T132856Z_122690075_RC219J9MLRJZ_RTRMADP_3_HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-UN_1602047290050_1602047373926_1607593352143.JPG

Part of the funds will be channelled to the distribution of life-saving doses of Covid-19 vaccines to parts of Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation said on Thursday it had pledged $250 million in additional funding towards the global campaign to fight the coronavirus pandemic.

Part of the funds will be channelled to the distribution of life-saving doses of Covid-19 vaccines to parts of Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia.

"We have new drugs and more potential vaccines than we could have expected at the start of the year," said Bill Gates in a statement.

"But these innovations will only save lives if they get out into the world," he said.

Funding is one of the biggest hurdles for Africa, home to some of the world's poorest countries.

The World Health Organization has identified the goal of vaccinating 3% of Africans by March 2021 and 20% by the end of next year.

But it said only around a quarter of 47 countries on the continent have enough plans for resources and financing.

Coordinator for the Gates Foundation's Covid-19 response in Africa, Solomon Zewdu said part of the funding announced Thursday would help ensure that vaccines reach some 780 million people on the continent.

It is critical to make sure the vaccines "are effectively financed to find their way onto the continent and the least appreciated corners of Africa," Zewdu told AFP in a virtual interview.

"The focus right now is to say ...how do we get those vaccines beyond the tarmacs of particular airports like, you know Addis Ababa airport, Kinshasa, Lagos into communities and immunise people. Unless that's done then we haven't done the work."

WHO estimates that getting the vaccine to "priority" population sectors in Africa will require $5.7 billion, plus 15-20% for delivery, syringes and other injection material.

Africa has recorded more than 2.3 million cases, of which 54,800 have been fatal.

South Africa, which with more than 828,000 cases is the continent's worst-hit country, on Wednesday said it had now entered a second wave of the pandemic.


i know this might've also gone into the vaccine thread, but since the donations are for further research and handling the coronavirus pandemic, it is more appropriate it goes in here

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/gates-foundation-donates-250-million-to-fight-covid-19-pandemic-11607593203591.html

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

8,793 new cases (2,210 more than yesterday)

198 new hospitalisations (1,648 in total)

26 new ICU patients (469 in total)

64 new deaths (9,905 in total)

[Crimson Dynamo]

COVID lockdown can only be eased once 20 million are vaccinated, warns Chris Whitty...


Nearly a third of the UK will have to be vaccinated before COVID restrictions can be lifted, England’s chief medical officer has warned.

Speaking at the Commons Science and Technology and Health and Social Care committees on Wednesday, Chris Whitty said lockdown rules could not be eased until some 20 million vulnerable people are vaccinated.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-lockdown-eased-20-million-people-vaccinated-chris-whitty-145533543.html

well Mr Vitty is not an elected member of parliament so he will not be making that call, he should remember what he is..

[AnnieK]

well Mr Vitty is not an elected member of parliament so he will not be making that call, he should remember what he is..

Boris seems to hold him in high regard though so his opinion will be listened to I think.

:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris seems to hold him in high regard though so his opinion will be listened to I think.

:shrug:

Yes he can be listened to but Boris has more than the virus/hospitals to think about - vitty is just about the virus

[Cherie]

Mr Vitty

[Kizzy]

well Mr Vitty is not an elected member of parliament so he will not be making that call, he should remember what he is..

No advisors make decisions on anything.. he knows what he is, he's an expert. Whether the government listen to him or not is up to them.

We are already well aware of the excess deaths from ignoring expert advice on covid over recent months.

MPs need to remember what they are. . Public representatives and do what is in OUR interest which is listen to experts.

[arista]

Hancock is live
10 Downing St.

[bots]

the restrictions have always followed the bed capacity and death rate. Im quite sure there will be social distancing and face masks for the majority of next year. So, tier 1 to no restrictions is a way off.

[arista]

There going to Test kids aged 11-16
they think they are spreading it.

[arista]

516 have Died today

63,082 Total UK Deaths


20,964 Today caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
15,242

Patients on ventilation
1,243


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[AnnieK]

They will try anything to keep London out of Tier 3 ....they were happy to lump most of the north in with none of the rapid testing that was meant.to happen in Tier 3 but now its looming for London out come the rapid tests.

[arista]

They will try anything to keep London out of Tier 3 ....they were happy to lump most of the north in with none of the rapid testing that was meant.to happen in Tier 3 but now its looming for London out come the rapid tests.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/10/17/36692280-0-image-m-36_1607621139698.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9040285/Matt-Hancock-announces-mass-Covid-testing-secondary-schools-worst-affected-London-boroughs.html

[arista]

Canary Islands
from Saturday off the safe travel list

[AnnieK]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/10/17/36692280-0-image-m-36_1607621139698.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9040285/Matt-Hancock-announces-mass-Covid-testing-secondary-schools-worst-affected-London-boroughs.html

No extra testing when Manchester's cases wear rocketing....we were just accused of not social distancing and mixing and stuck into Tier 3....the same fate should await London now

[arista]

No extra testing when Manchester's cases wear rocketing....we were just accused of not social distancing and mixing and stuck into Tier 3....the same fate should await London now


[London is now the COVID capital of England:
PHE figures reveal city has more positive tests per person
than any other region - but swathes of Midlands and
the North could be released from Tier Three BEFORE Christmas]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9039751/London-highest-coronavirus-infection-rate-England-PHE-data-shows.html


Lets hope you swap to Tier2
and we go onto Tier3

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/new-coronavirus-infections-spike-at-nearly-8800-well-above-weekly-average/
here a english article, our new cases of today well above weekly average


this is not good, and our PM Rutte doesn't want to get into even stricter measures too soon :facepalm: he thinks we should celebrate christmas for the morale sake, since people are overall feeling depressed (cannot disagree with that but if you need stricter measures, you need to go for that as soon as possible)

[Vanessa]

I don't really mind what tier I'm in.
I live alone and it's so cold in going out only when I need to.

[AnnieK]

[London is now the COVID capital of England:
PHE figures reveal city has more positive tests per person
than any other region - but swathes of Midlands and
the North could be released from Tier Three BEFORE Christmas]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9039751/London-highest-coronavirus-infection-rate-England-PHE-data-shows.html


Lets hope you swap to Tier2
and we go onto Tier3

I don't hope London go into Tier 3, I think they should but the economic impact for hospitality will be huge and I wouldn't wish it on other families who will lose money and possibly their livelihoods.

I also don't think we will be dropped into Tier 2 our cases seem to be plateauing a little at the moment.

[Cherie]

I cant see anything else but Tier 3 for London next week

[arista]

I cant see anything else but Tier 3 for London next week


Yes everyone is saying that.

[Vanessa]

I cant see anything else but Tier 3 for London next week

By New Year we may all be in tier 3 :joker:

[arista]

I don't really mind what tier I'm in.
I love alone and it's so cold in going out only when I need to.


Yes Cold Wind.

At least we can still buy our foods
in Tier3

[Jake.]

No advisors make decisions on anything.. he knows what he is, he's an expert. Whether the government listen to him or not is up to them.

We are already well aware of the excess deaths from ignoring expert advice on covid over recent months.

MPs need to remember what they are. . Public representatives and do what is in OUR interest which is listen to experts.

:clap1:

[Zizu]

There going to Test kids aged 11-16
they think they are spreading it.



I thought they were pretty sure children weren’t the problem.. that’s the main reason why they kept schools open this time .

I’ve always felt they were a very serious concern ... it’s known that school children catch and pass on all manner of illnesses / sicknesses ... why on earth would Covid19 be any different


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[Zizu]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/new-coronavirus-infections-spike-at-nearly-8800-well-above-weekly-average/
here a english article, our new cases of today well above weekly average


this is not good, and our PM Rutte doesn't want to get into even stricter measures too soon :facepalm: he thinks we should celebrate christmas for the morale sake, since people are overall feeling depressed (cannot disagree with that but if you need stricter measures, you need to go for that as soon as possible)



I honestly dread to think what the infection rate will be like in the early part of January..


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[arista]

[COVID-19: Plan to test schoolchildren in hotspot
areas of Kent, Essex and London and GPs
to give vaccine from next week]

"by far the fastest rise" is among 11 to 18-years-olds.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-gps-get-vaccine-from-next-week-and-plan-to-test-school-children-in-hotspot-areas-of-kent-essex-and-london-12157219

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo32K-TXMAAChJS?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo3aSrhXUAAg2ms?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

All Change in Scotland today

GMBHD itv was live at a 6AM Open shopping mall.

Also, Northern Ireland goes back to open
but pubs must serve food.

[arista]

Times Radio DAB far better than any BBC

From Italy
a young lad had Covid-19 back in October.
But the correspondent pointed out China would have the same
but they are not testing back that far.


From the China Times Lady
we found out they had the First Vaccine
months ago, but are not going public.
Students are paying £23 a shot
they must get 2.

Once the China Leader takes the Vaccine
they expect it to go public more

[arista]

Covid-19 Testing
in 7 Boroughs, now taking part in London
on kids at school
aged 11-18.

Good
Kent as well today.

Ref:BBCnewsHD.

[Cherie]

Covid-19 Testing
in 7 Boroughs, now taking part in London
on kids at school
aged 11-18.

Good
Kent as well today.

Ref:BBCnewsHD.

Which 7 as ours is riddled!

[arista]

Wednesday
London will find out if it goes into Tier3

[arista]

[COVID-19: Self-isolation period for coronavirus contacts
and holiday quarantine cut to 10 days
The change will come into force in England,
Scotland and Northern Ireland from 14 December,
with it already applying in Wales.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-self-isolation-period-for-coronavirus-contacts-and-holiday-quarantine-cut-to-10-days-12157956

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

8,894 new cases (120 more than yesterday)

199 new hospitalisations (1,681 in total now)

30 new ICU patients (472 in total)

[Zizu]

[COVID-19: Self-isolation period for coronavirus contacts
and holiday quarantine cut to 10 days
The change will come into force in England,
Scotland and Northern Ireland from 14 December,
with it already applying in Wales.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-self-isolation-period-for-coronavirus-contacts-and-holiday-quarantine-cut-to-10-days-12157956



Why are we relaxing the rules just as it’s gonna get crazy ??


Haven’t Germany or Italy just banned all travelling around the country over the festive season ??

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[Zizu]

[COVID-19: Plan to test schoolchildren in hotspot
areas of Kent, Essex and London and GPs
to give vaccine from next week]

"by far the fastest rise" is among 11 to 18-years-olds.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-gps-get-vaccine-from-next-week-and-plan-to-test-school-children-in-hotspot-areas-of-kent-essex-and-london-12157219



It’ll be fine ... kidz don’t get poorly from it and probably don’t carry or spread it !!

The Government told us that ages ago !!




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[bots]

i've been saying for months that it was madness to just open up the schools and not encourage any home study. The moment the schools opened up, the infection rate shot up, but no ... they must be kept open at all costs

[arista]

Today 424 have Died

63,506 Total UK deaths

21,672 Today have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
16,136

Patients on ventilation
1,267


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Covid: Record deaths in Germany and Russia


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55273817

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/D145/production/_116037535_inewspaperfront1212-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/11F65/production/_116037537_dailytelegraphfront1212-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/38ED/production/_116037541_guadian1212-nc.png

[bots]

A warning for Christmas ....

In Philadelphia, a woman in her 20s gathered with 10 relatives on Thanksgiving, though she didn’t feel well the day before. She later tested positive for COVID-19. Her family started developing symptoms, and seven members tested positive, said Dr. Thomas Farley, Philadelphia’s health commissioner

[AnnieK]

I wonder how many people will actually have large gatherings? I am sticking with my support bubble.....we have come this far and managed to stay virus free so don't want to risk it. Most people o have spoken to are doing the same.

[Josy]

A warning for Christmas ....

In Philadelphia, a woman in her 20s gathered with 10 relatives on Thanksgiving, though she didn’t feel well the day before. She later tested positive for COVID-19. Her family started developing symptoms, and seven members tested positive, said Dr. Thomas Farley, Philadelphia’s health commissioner

How bloody selfish of her to go ahead with the gathering when she felt unwell, putting her kin at risk :/

This is my fear which is why we are choosing to spend Christmas in our own house on our own for the first time in 22 years.

Even our first minister has said she wont spend Christmas with her family due to the risk and the TV ads we have running with the covid Christmas rules also state just because you CAN spend time with others doesnt mean you should etc

I honestly think January is going to be a **** show

[Nicky91]

i'm not worried regarding christmas and the cases surge from that


what you think about new years day, and all those new years wishes, i think some people might forget rules then, and give those kisses, hugs anyway, its best not to do that now

[joeysteele]

I wonder how many people will actually have large gatherings? I am sticking with my support bubble.....we have come this far and managed to stay virus free so don't want to risk it. Most people o have spoken to are doing the same.


My view too.

I have to protect my Mum too.
So it will remain only my Mum, myself and a cousin who shares my home with me.

No way am I even remotely going to risk undoing all we've kept in place this year so far.

To see a few more people this Christmas for a possible result of risking one of us not here for next Christmas.
Just no contest there for me.

I know that's hard for my much older Brothers,my Mum's grandchildren and great grandchildren.
However, even my Mum still has fears of this virus so wants no risks either..
Especially after losing her Sister earlier this year to covid.

That brings the message home in a devastating way.

[arista]

i'm not worried regarding christmas and the cases surge from that


what you think about new years day, and all those new years wishes, i think some people might forget rules then, and give those kisses, hugs anyway, its best not to do that now



Yes some should have a mask on.
and open the windows

[arista]

[South Korea
has had a Surge, the leader has called it an Emergency infection
Like one Religious Building had 90 infected.
They have set up Shipping Containers to do fast testing.]


Mexico
Art with Me Party (Nov 2020)
was full of Americans
and just one Mexican spread it to all of them (No Masks)
who then took it home to America.

Ref:CNN Live.

[Nicky91]

[South Korea
has had a Surge, the leader has called it an Emergency infection
Like one Religious Building had 90 infected.
They have set up Shipping Containers to do fast testing.]


Mexico
Art with Me Party (Nov 2020)
was full of Americans
and just one Mexican spread it to all of them (No Masks)
who then took it home to America.

Ref:CNN Live.

well South Korea hasn't had that many cases in a long time, and also religious buildings should be closed, just silly how they want to remain open for many people (when you know indoors, risk of spreading the virus is highest)

that is why their president, whenever they got public events, they did most of them outdoors and in summer, everyone could sit in the fresh air, with masks kept on all the time (only those speaking on stage mask off during that moment)


Mexico's i saw this morning a report of that party on CNN

kinda stupid to let that go on, if it was amid first wave ok, a accidental mistake, but we're amid second wave, everyone should be well aware now of the dangers of covid, and they did let it go on and not cancelled it

some good news, Mexico Authorized Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine now too, ready for vaccinations, and by april if it goes well, millions could be vaccinated there

[arista]

[Mexico's i saw this morning a report of that party on CNN

kinda stupid to let that go on,]


Yes "Art Me Party"
admit they were wrong to do it that way.

[Cherie]

I wonder how many people will actually have large gatherings? I am sticking with my support bubble.....we have come this far and managed to stay virus free so don't want to risk it. Most people o have spoken to are doing the same.

I hope that the psychology is because people can, they wont, I think if families were barred from meeting then they most definately would rebel, but because they can hopefully many will have a good think about the risks for essentially a roast dinner and a few party games

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: tomorrow a urgent corona-meeting about the surge of new cases now

and it is expected upcoming tuesday another press conference from our PM Rutte and Health minister De Jonge


also our health minister has withdrawn as party leader of CDA, since he doesn't want to combine his duties of that and health minister, and his duties as health minister are more important now than ever

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/hugo-de-jonge-drops-out-of-cda-leadership-role-to-focus-on-coronavirus/

[Zizu]

i'm not worried regarding christmas and the cases surge from that


what you think about new years day, and all those new years wishes, i think some people might forget rules then, and give those kisses, hugs anyway, its best not to do that now



I’m pretty sure the FIVE days ‘festive ceasefire’ will extend past New Years Say ..


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[Zizu]

I wonder how many people will actually have large gatherings? I am sticking with my support bubble.....we have come this far and managed to stay virus free so don't want to risk it. Most people o have spoken to are doing the same.



The usual suspects who haven’t made any effort to abide by any of the rules or regulations since March will just carry on regardless


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[AnnieK]

The usual suspects who haven’t made any effort to abide by any of the rules or regulations since March will just carry on regardless


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Well you can't legislate for idiots Zizu.....hopefully there will be more people who do care than those who don't

[bots]

people should be more mindful when it's their own family they are putting at risk. I think it will be more the ones saying i haven't seen so and so for a year etc, so it will be a different group

[arista]

[COVID-19: Wales could go into post-Christmas lockdown,
warns first minister

Mr Drakeford said the crisis was "very serious"
with cases rising faster than modelling predicted
despite a successful firebreak.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wales-could-go-into-post-christmas-lockdown-warns-first-minister-12158289

[Crimson Dynamo]

[COVID-19: Wales could go into post-Christmas lockdown,
warns first minister

Mr Drakeford said the crisis was "very serious"
with cases rising faster than modelling predicted
despite a successful firebreak.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wales-could-go-into-post-christmas-lockdown-warns-first-minister-12158289

silly circuit break lockdown was a big mistake

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.thenational.scot/video/201972/?page=1

[arista]

https://www.thenational.scot/video/201972/?page=1


Freya
could be a Future Manager,

[arista]

silly circuit break lockdown was a big mistake


Yes Wales is Trying to rewrite History

[Tom4784]

I think we'll likely have another short lockdown in January. People will be dumb over Christmas and act like it's all over when it's far from over.

[arista]

I think we'll likely have another short lockdown in January. People will be dumb over Christmas and act like it's all over when it's far from over.


Yes sadly that could happen.