Coronavirus Outbreak

[Liam-]

I know it's bad to say but I kinda hope I do have a mild case because they say once you have had it you cant contract it again

Hate to break it to you, but there’s literally no evidence of that, iirc there’s evidence of the exact opposite

[Zizu]

Why are people happy to go enmass and mix to beaches etc,but reluctant to send kids to school ?



Two different sets of people I’d guess


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[Zizu]

I know it's bad to say but I kinda hope I do have a mild case because they say once you have had it you cant contract it again



They just don’t know one way or another .. is the same with near enough every aspect of the virus ..


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[Niamh.]

Why are people happy to go enmass and mix to beaches etc,but reluctant to send kids to school ?Why do you think those going enmass and mixing on beaches are the ones which are reluctant to sending their kids back to school? I would hazard a guess that they aren't

[user104658]

Hate to break it to you, but there’s literally no evidence of that, iirc there’s evidence of the exact opposite

This is incorrect, there is clear evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months. Just not in all cases.

[arista]

Covid 19 Worldwide Deaths
at over 50 mark
nations


USA :98,184
UK :36,996
Italy:32,877
France :28,460
Spain:28,834
Brazil :22,666
Belgium :9,312
Germany :8,309
Iran :7,451
Mexico:7,394
Canada:6,642
Netherlands: 5,849
China: 4,667
Turkey:4,369
India :4,172
Sweden :4,029
Russia:3,633
Peru:3,456
Ecuador:3,203
Switzerland:1,913
Ireland:1,606
Indonesia:1,391
Portugal:1,330
Romania:1,205
Pakistan:1,167
Poland:1,007
Philippines :873
Japan :820
Egypt:783
Chile:761
Colombia:750
Austria:641
Ukraine:623
Algeria:609
Denmark:563
Bangladesh :501
Hungary:491
South Africa:481
Dominican Republic:460
Argentina:456
Saudi Arabia :339
Czechia:317
Finland:308
Panama:306
Israel :281
South Korea:267
Moldova:261
Bolivia:250
United Arab Emirates:248
Serbia:239
Norway:235
Nigeria :226
Afghanistan:219
Belarus:204
Morocco:200
Honduras:180
Greece:172
Sudan:165
Kuwait:165
Cameron :165
Iraq:163
Bosnia: 146
Bulgaria:130
Malaysia :115
North Macedonia:113
Luxembourg:110
Slovenia:107
Australia:102
Croatia:100
Armenia:87
Cuba:82
Congo (DRC):67
Mali :67
Somalia:66
Estonia:65
Lithuania:63
Niger:62
Chad:61
Guatemala:58
Thailand :57
Burkina Faso:52
Kenya:52
Andorra:51
Azerbaijan:51


Professional Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

USA update from CNN HD

[arista]

Poxy Windows 10 PC
I was nearly finished updating nation numbers
it said Urgent Restart
then all the work I changed was lost
I hate Windows 10

[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/3597/production/_112391731_daily-mail-21-may.jpg

[arista]

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[Zizu]

This is incorrect, there is clear evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months. Just not in all cases.

If it’s not in all cases then it kinda makes the first part of your post irrelevant

I’ve not seen anything about that .. last I heard they ‘thought’ that you ‘may’ have immunity but they’d no idea how long ..

Have you any links ?


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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/83B7/production/_112391733_i-21-may.jpg

[Zizu]

Covid 19 Worldwide Deaths
at over 50 mark
nations


USA :93,163
UK : 35,785
Italy:32,330
France :28,135
Spain:27,888
Brazil :17,971
Belgium :9,150
Germany :8,144
Iran :7,183
Canada:6,143
Netherlands: 5,767
Mexico:5,666
China: 4,667
Turkey:4,222
Sweden :3,831
India :3,434
Peru:3,024
Russia:2,972
Ecuador:2,839
Switzerland:1,892
Ireland:1,571
Portugal:1,263
Indonesia:1,242
Romania:1,147
Pakistan:885
Poland:962
Philippines :842
Japan :768
Egypt:680
Austria:633
Colombia :613
Algeria:568
Ukraine:564
Denmark:554
Chile:544
Hungary:470
Dominican Republic:446
Argentina:394
Bangladesh :386
Saudi Arabia :339
South Africa:339
Finland:304
Czechia:304
Panama:281
Israel :279
South Korea:263
Serbia:235
Norway:234
United Arab Emirates:233
Moldova:228
Morocco:194
Nigeria :192
Bolivia:189
Afghanistan:187
Belarus:179
Greece:166
Honduras:147
Cameron :140
Bosnia: 136
Iraq:134
Kuwait:124
Bulgaria:116
Malaysia :114
Sudan:111
North Macedonia:110
Luxembourg:109
Slovenia:105
Australia:100
Croatia:96
Cuba: 79
Estonia:64
Congo (DRC):61
Somalia:61
Lithuania:60
Niger:58
Chad:57
Thailand :56
Mali :55
Burkina Faso:52
Andorra:51
Kenya:50


Professional Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

USA update from CNN HD



Sweden still climbing steadily up the charts .... guess they’re still doing their own thing.


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[Liam-]

This is incorrect, there is clear evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months. Just not in all cases.

So catching it doesn’t mean you can’t catch it again then, like I said

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11FF7/production/_112391737_sun-21-may.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/16E17/production/_112391739_financial-times-21-may.jpg

the Bank of England is considering
introducing negative interest rates for
the first time in its 324-year history in a bid to
help stimulate an economic recovery.
The paper says doing so would be
a "powerful signal" that companies should spend
rather than face charges to
hold money on deposit in banks.]

[Zizu]

Ok so all us locked up inside will be here forever with these selfish gits ! I am getting really angry about this now .

Stop this insane behaviour now Boris !



After going for a walk today, I can vouch for the probability that if you have a teenager in your house who is allowed to go outside, then you're going to get it sooner than later


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[bots]

with regard to catching it again and immunity, i think it will be the same as all it's other close family. If the strain is similar, you will be immune, if it's different you will catch it again.

For all the holding of hands in horror at the time, the herd immunity option is the best we have at the present time. We have no idea yet how many have already been infected in the UK, but I think it's a lot, and if that proves to be true then we will be "fine". However, if come October/November it shoots back up again, it's not going to be good ... for anyone

[Kizzy]

I am merely reacting to your abrasive style of posting, when interacting with me at any rate. This was the post you quoted, it’s clear my point was about the kids, and the number of staff they were having to interact with in a week

If there is no increased risk to interacting with numerous people why are we all limiting our interactions on a daily basis
There was nothing abrasive about my posts, we just don't agree . I dont speak to you any different to anyone else. However you have been really rude and condescending to me on this thread.
There is no difference as the kids still interact with one teacher per day for instance, it doesn't matter if it is the same one or different as they will all present the same risk as each other due to their lives outside school.

[MTVN]

A number of reported cases of coronavirus patients relapsing after overcoming the disease were actually due to testing failures, South Korean scientists say.

Researchers at the South Korean centre for disease control and prevention (CDC) now say it is impossible for the COVID-19 virus to reactivate in human bodies.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721

There's been 5 million cases worldwide now so if people were not immune you'd think we'd be hearing a lot more about reinfections

[Kizzy]

This is incorrect, there is clear evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months. Just not in all cases.

I love the way you dismiss anyone else's opinion but your unsubstantiated word is gospel.

[arista]

"due to testing failures, South Korean scientists say."

Yes dodgy early tests
something the UK found out, as well.

[Cherie]

There was nothing abrasive about my posts, we just don't agree . I dont speak to you any different to anyone else. However you have been really rude and condescending to me on this thread.
There is no difference as the kids still interact with one teacher per day for instance, it doesn't matter if it is the same one or different as they will all present the same risk as each other due to their lives outside school.



It looks like the scientist don’t agree with you, as when kids go back to school they will they be taught in bubbles with the same teacher and be with the same class mates rather than interchanging

[smudgie]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/16E17/production/_112391739_financial-times-21-may.jpg

the Bank of England is considering
introducing negative interest rates for
the first time in its 324-year history in a bid to
help stimulate an economic recovery.
The paper says doing so would be
a "powerful signal" that companies should spend
rather than face charges to
hold money on deposit in banks.]


We better start digging a big hole in the garden if it applies to us all.

[arista]

We better start digging a big hole in the garden if it applies to us all.

Yes Its terrible you put Cash in the bank
to be safe and get a little interest
not taking an amount out of every £100
because the Government has buggered
up all the UK money.

[Kazanne]

Not the same people? :shrug:

But they have kids and are still mixing

[Zizu]

with regard to catching it again and immunity, i think it will be the same as all it's other close family. If the strain is similar, you will be immune, if it's different you will catch it again.



For all the holding of hands in horror at the time, the herd immunity option is the best we have at the present time. We have no idea yet how many have already been infected in the UK, but I think it's a lot, and if that proves to be true then we will be "fine". However, if come October/November it shoots back up again, it's not going to be good ... for anyone



Sadly this particular virus is completely different to any other virus including all the those from the coronavirus family .
That’s what’s so scary about the damn thing


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[Zizu]

A number of reported cases of coronavirus patients relapsing after overcoming the disease were actually due to testing failures, South Korean scientists say.



Researchers at the South Korean centre for disease control and prevention (CDC) now say it is impossible for the COVID-19 virus to reactivate in human bodies.



https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721



There's been 5 million cases worldwide now so if people were not immune you'd think we'd be hearing a lot more about reinfections



I hope this is correct .. if it is then it will be all over the news for days , I’d imagine


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[thesheriff443]

There was nothing abrasive about my posts, we just don't agree . I dont speak to you any different to anyone else. However you have been really rude and condescending to me on this thread.
There is no difference as the kids still interact with one teacher per day for instance, it doesn't matter if it is the same one or different as they will all present the same risk as each other due to their lives outside school.

It’s a simple numbers game, 6 kids equals 6 times the number of people in their household times the people that household comes into contact with.

30 kids is 30 times the household times the people they come in contact with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Covid 19 Worldwide Deaths
at over 50 mark
nations


USA :93,163
UK : 35,785
Italy:32,330
France :28,135
Spain:27,888
Brazil :17,971
Belgium :9,150
Germany :8,144
Iran :7,183
Canada:6,143
Netherlands: 5,767
Mexico:5,666
China: 4,667
Turkey:4,222
Sweden :3,831
India :3,434
Peru:3,024
Russia:2,972
Ecuador:2,839
Switzerland:1,892
Ireland:1,571
Portugal:1,263
Indonesia:1,242
Romania:1,147
Pakistan:885
Poland:962
Philippines :842
Japan :768
Egypt:680
Austria:633
Colombia :613
Algeria:568
Ukraine:564
Denmark:554
Chile:544
Hungary:470
Dominican Republic:446
Argentina:394
Bangladesh :386
Saudi Arabia :339
South Africa:339
Finland:304
Czechia:304
Panama:281
Israel :279
South Korea:263
Serbia:235
Norway:234
United Arab Emirates:233
Moldova:228
Morocco:194
Nigeria :192
Bolivia:189
Afghanistan:187
Belarus:179
Greece:166
Honduras:147
Cameron :140
Bosnia: 136
Iraq:134
Kuwait:124
Bulgaria:116
Malaysia :114
Sudan:111
North Macedonia:110
Luxembourg:109
Slovenia:105
Australia:100
Croatia:96
Cuba: 79
Estonia:64
Congo (DRC):61
Somalia:61
Lithuania:60
Niger:58
Chad:57
Thailand :56
Mali :55
Burkina Faso:52
Andorra:51
Kenya:50


Professional Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

USA update from CNN HD

This list is only useful if every country was as accurate with the stats. They are not, so it's pretty meaningless

[Nicky91]

This list is only useful if every country was as accurate with the stats. They are not, so it's pretty meaningless

correct, my country is among highest death rate of europe, RIVM had admitted yesterday


Belgium also, not quite accurate since they throw every suspected death by covid but not 100% sure of in these statistics, so also normal pneumonia deaths (basically the complete opposite from us dutch)


tbh care home deaths are harder to register than hospital deaths which is just a fact

[Nicky91]

honestly what can be said is

countries who do well so far in trying to control covid-19

Greece, South-Korea, Vietnam, Iceland, Denmark

[Nicky91]

Norway: they want to look into maybe allowing few people in football stadiums, spread across entire stadium stands

more like 10 people maximum in stands

audiences at that limit are also still allowed at live tv shows (such as the voice) for example

[arista]

[Coronavirus: EasyJet to resume flights next month
with strict face mask rule
The airline announces a cautious restart
on some routes from 15 June ahead of an
investor vote that could see its CEO forced out.]


No Food on the flights.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-easyjet-to-resume-flights-next-month-with-strict-face-mask-rule-11991930


[The UK airports to see the limited domestic services
return will be Bristol, Birmingham, Gatwick,
Liverpool, Newcastle,
Edinburgh, Glasgow, Inverness and Belfast,
easyJet added.]

[arista]

This list is only useful if every country was as accurate with the stats. They are not, so it's pretty meaningless

Its Rough Number
used all over the world.

Yes China is well guilty
as many witnessed Covid Dead Bodies
being buried - but not put on the total

[The Slim Reaper]

This list is only useful if every country was as accurate with the stats. They are not, so it's pretty meaningless

Well that's not true. Best data is better than no data, and our own estimated number is way off, too.

[Samm]

[Coronavirus: EasyJet to resume flights next month
with strict face mask rule
The airline announces a cautious restart
on some routes from 15 June ahead of an
investor vote that could see its CEO forced out.]


No Food on the flights.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-easyjet-to-resume-flights-next-month-with-strict-face-mask-rule-11991930


[The UK airports to see the limited domestic services
return will be Bristol, Birmingham, Gatwick,
Liverpool, Newcastle,
Edinburgh, Glasgow, Inverness and Belfast,
easyJet added.]

Only to France though

[user104658]

I love the way you dismiss anyone else's opinion but your unsubstantiated word is gospel.It's not an opinion, it's a fact that there is evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months in Covid recovery cases, just varying person to person. An established fact isn't up for "Well I don't fink so".

[user104658]

So catching it doesn’t mean you can’t catch it again then, like I saidWell yes but if you want to go down that path, you're in your house forever. There is no such thing as a 100% effective vaccine, vaccines work on exactly the same principle as herd immunity; that MOST (not all) people who get the vaccine will be immune. They tend to range from 80% - 95% effective.

So... Getting the vaccine won't mean you can't catch it, either. If you're waiting for a vaccine on the basis that it provides 100% immunity, you're going to be indoors for a long time.

[arista]

Only to France though


No, some parts of Spain
and Italy and Greece
are to open as well.


Greece wants us now.
Some Hotels will go under if no one goes there.

[Zizu]

This list is only useful if every country was as accurate with the stats. They are not, so it's pretty meaningless



You’d have thought that with all that’s at stake every country should be publishing daily figures based on EXACTLY the same basis.

Then when a country is found to be ‘tampering’ with their data they get a massive fine or whatever


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[arista]

Well yes but if you want to go down that path, you're in your house forever. There is no such thing as a 100% effective vaccine, vaccines work on exactly the same principle as herd immunity; that MOST (not all) people who get the vaccine will be immune. They tend to range from 80% - 95% effective.

So... Getting the vaccine won't mean you can't catch it, either. If you're waiting for a vaccine on the basis that it provides 100% immunity, you're going to be indoors for a long time.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1263117470912651264/RW73E13R?format=jpg&name=small

[Zizu]

Its Rough Number

used all over the world.



Yes China is well guilty

as many witnessed Covid Dead Bodies

being buried - but not put on the total



They are all including/ excluding different things though ..


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[Zizu]

Well that's not true. Best data is better than no data, and our own estimated number is way off, too.



That’s why it’s meaningless to have comparison tables , surely ?


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[Zizu]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact that there is evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months in Covid recovery cases, just varying person to person. An established fact isn't up for "Well I don't fink so".



Where is your evidence for this claim.. day after day some science bod tells us that there’s no evidence to suggest that everyone is immune after recovering


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[Zizu]

Data geeks ...
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[Zizu]

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Lets say it takes around 10 days for a patient to die after being tested positive, and another couple of days after that for the deaths to be reported. That means that the confirmed cases each day were around half what they are now when the current deaths were tested. Not unreasonable to predict that deaths in Brazil could be around 1700-2200 each day in around 10 days from now. Testing in Brazil ispoor, 3462 per million people according to Worldometer compared to USA (42,680), UK (43,661), Italy (52,450), France (21,218)

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[The Slim Reaper]

That’s why it’s meaningless to have comparison tables , surely ?


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It's not a comparison table, it's statistical.

[MTVN]

Yeah Central/South America is becoming the new epicentre of the virus. Peru are also battling a really severe outbreak

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1263117470912651264/RW73E13R?format=jpg&name=small

:joker::joker:

[user104658]

Where is your evidence for this claim.. day after day some science bod tells us that there’s no evidence to suggest that everyone is immune after recovering


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This is incorrect, there is clear evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months. Just not in all cases.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact that there is evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months in Covid recovery cases, just varying person to person. An established fact isn't up for "Well I don't fink so".

Don't ask me to provide evidence for a claim that everyone gains immunity when I specifically said that not everyone gains immunity... twice?

[Scarlett.]

My dad just had people knocking on his hotel seeing if there were any vacancies... are people that dumb?

[Zizu]

It's not a comparison table, it's statistical.



Tables showing / comparing the data provided be all the countries when they’re not all ‘counting’ the same things are meaningless ...

Similarly showing USA at the top of the ‘death tally’ charts is also pointless given their relative population size .


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[arista]

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[Zizu]

Don't ask me to provide evidence for a claim that everyone gains immunity when I specifically said that not everyone gains immunity... twice?

So you can’t even say what % should have immunity because nobody knows as yet .

I haven’t seen any evidence of any immunity yet ... just people on the telly saying they’d presume there’ll be some immunity ..


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[Zizu]

There was a woman interviewed on BBCNews today who was completely underwhelmed by the ‘app’ .

She got a text saying she had been in close vicinity of a positive case and then a link to follow ... the link took her to this

https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus



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[Zizu]

At our local primary none of the staff have allowed their children to go to school, even though they have places as key workers. They aren't going to learn anything, it's just a baby sitting service, and it puts everyone at risk.

Our neighbour had to have a blood test today and the nurse at the surgery said she thinks it is madness sending children back so soon and that people who she knows on the frontline are currently preparing for a second wave. She is a parent who is having to juggle her shifts as she won’t send her children into school, despite being a key worker. It worries me when someone ‘in the know’ professionally is still so cautious.



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[Cherie]

Is there a reason you are posting the same posts in back to school and corona threads? can you stick to posting in one or the other one please, it will get read, no need to post everything twice!

[Kizzy]

[/B]


It looks like the scientist don’t agree with you, as when kids go back to school they will they be taught in bubbles with the same teacher and be with the same class mates rather than interchanging

Well that's fine, but everyone has a life outside the 'bubble' there is nothing to say any teacher/assistant won't contract the virus outside school and bring it inside their bubble, every single one of us runs that risk everyday.

[Kizzy]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/16E17/production/_112391739_financial-times-21-may.jpg

the Bank of England is considering
introducing negative interest rates for
the first time in its 324-year history in a bid to
help stimulate an economic recovery.
The paper says doing so would be
a "powerful signal" that companies should spend
rather than face charges to
hold money on deposit in banks.]

Won't that force more to just move their money off shore and not pay tax here, how's that going to help?

[arista]

Won't that force more to just move their money off shore and not pay tax here, how's that going to help?

Yes many are getting ready to do that.



It will affect average folks
other nations could also do this move.

[Kizzy]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact that there is evidence of immunity lasting at least 3 months in Covid recovery cases, just varying person to person. An established fact isn't up for "Well I don't fink so".

There you go again denigrating people, the poster suggested he wanted the virus do he wouldn't catch it again, the reply indicated that might not be a given, and it isn't.
There were no timeframes mentioned were there?

The only fact we know is there's not enough known as yet about the virus yet to say anything for certain.
If you're privy to anything share your source, I'd be interested.

[Cherie]

Yes many are getting ready to do that.



It will affect average folks
other nations could also do this move.

average folks like me will put it into premium bonds

[Kizzy]

Yes many are getting ready to do that.



It will affect average folks
other nations could also do this move.

So effectively it's a tax, banking tax, on already taxed income... I can't understand what they are thinking here.
This is what we should be doing and should have from the start!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/scotland-tax-have-ban-coronavirus-bailout-fund-a9526006.html

[Cherie]

Well that's fine, but everyone has a life outside the 'bubble' there is nothing to say any teacher/assistant won't contract the virus outside school and bring it inside their bubble, every single one of us runs that risk everyday.

I have never disputed that, but if the children I gave in the example are interacting with 24 more people over a two week period than they need to be they there is increased risk to the children, which brings me back to the point that I made directly to TS that started off this 'debate' so it appears we have come full circle

[arista]

Dubai: Emirates are taking flights again
all must have a mask on.
Everyone entering is viewed on a Thermal screen check.
You are also given gloves as well.
To Nine Cities from today
Every Aircraft gets a full cleaning, after every flight.

CNN HD Business

[arista]

So effectively it's a tax, banking tax, on already taxed income... I can't understand what they are thinking here.
This is what we should be doing and should have from the start!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/scotland-tax-have-ban-coronavirus-bailout-fund-a9526006.html

Yes Scotland can do that.

England has more complex tangles

Its only in the FT
so far, not on any news, yet.

[smudgie]

average folks like me will put it into premium bonds

Average folk like me will bury it in the garden...when and if they ever let us draw our own ruddy money out.

[Cherie]

Average folk like me will bury it in the garden...when and if they ever let us draw our own ruddy money out.

are they still not letting you? :suspect:

[Cherie]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/britain-borrows-at-negative-interest-rate-for-first-time/ar-BB14me2c?ocid=spartanntp

Britain sold a government bond with a negative yield for the first time on Wednesday, meaning the government is effectively being rewarded for borrowing after investors agreed to be repaid slightly less than they lent.
It joins Japan, Germany and some other European countries in selling debt yielding less than 0%, reflecting the prospect the coronavirus pandemic will cause a severe global recession and bond-buying by central banks to mitigate its impact

[arista]

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[Denver]

6 london hospitals have recorded no deaths related to the Virus for 48 hours

[bots]

1263403660178046976

old news Arista, the government have now backed down :idc:

[Liam-]

old news Arista, the government have now backed down :idc:

No they haven’t, they backtracked on not including foreign nhs staff in the bereavement scheme, the surcharge hike is still happening, shamefully

[Liam-]

Oh, just seen it, good, it’s disgusting that they even had to shamed into backing down, it shouldn’t have been a thing in the first place

[arista]

No they haven’t, they backtracked on not including foreign nhs staff in the bereavement scheme, the surcharge hike is still happening, shamefully


Very True

[Liam-]

It brings me great joy that Priti is probably sat in a dark room foaming that she couldn’t hurt some immigrants :flutter:

[arista]

5PM Matt Hancock MP
doing the Press Briefing
10 Downing St.

I do hope the Press Attack him.

[arista]

UK Deaths now at 36,042

[user104658]

There you go again denigrating people, the poster suggested he wanted the virus do he wouldn't catch it again, the reply indicated that might not be a given, and it isn't.

There were no timeframes mentioned were there?



The only fact we know is there's not enough known as yet about the virus yet to say anything for certain.

If you're privy to anything share your source, I'd be interested.Then "the poster" should have been clearer if they didn't want to be corrected; the only thing I refuted was the claim that there is "no evidence" of immunity, because that claim is false. If you want to infer that I was saying anything more than that, that's your business. I wasn't.

Ita an important clarification in my opinion because if having the virus gives NO immunity, then vaccination will not work and any hopes of a vaccine - which is what seems to be keeping many people going - are futile. We wouldn't want that :nono:.

[Liam-]

5PM Matt Hancock MP
doing the Press Briefing
10 Downing St.

I do hope the Press Attack him.

I mean, it’s a very tough field, but he’s come out of this as one of the most incompetent people in the Tory cabinet, he’s completely useless and void of any form of honesty and decency, can’t wait until he disappears under whatever rock he crawled out from

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/20/08/28609428-8339233-image-a-2_1589960682519.jpg

Will he do another Briefing
or carry on jogging?

[Liam-]

Then "the poster" should have been clearer if they didn't want to be corrected; the only thing I refuted was the claim that there is "no evidence" of immunity, because that claim is false. If you want to infer that I was saying anything more than that, that's your business. I wasn't.

Ita an important clarification in my opinion because if having the virus gives NO immunity, then vaccination will not work and any hopes of a vaccine - which is what seems to be keeping many people going - are futile. We wouldn't want that :nono:.

I wasn’t corrected, what you said there’s evidence of is that in some cases there’s a temporary immunity which means, that it isn’t actually immunity at all, it sounds like more of a case of the virus still being in the system, meaning it can’t be caught while in recovery from the virus, right now there are no cases of an actual lasting immunity, which is all i was saying :hmph:

[The Slim Reaper]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/20/08/28609428-8339233-image-a-2_1589960682519.jpg

Will he do another Briefing
or carry on jogging?

Dude is missing like Madeleine and people are defending him for it.

[smudgie]

are they still not letting you? :suspect:

Nope, drips and drabs.
Waiting for family to want new cars etc...or maybe we could pay a lump of sons and his wife’s new house when it goes through.

[hijaxers]

My dad just had people knocking on his hotel seeing if there were any vacancies... are people that dumb?

Yeah would appear they really are duh !!!! You couldn't make it up Scarlett

[hijaxers]

old news Arista, the government have now backed down :idc:

Yes Kier Starmer taking credit is it !

[Liam-]

Yes Kier Starmer taking credit is it !

Rightly so

[Cherie]

Yes Kier Starmer taking credit is it !

He did raise it at PMs questions yesterday, tbf it was pretty shameful to carry on with it

[Cherie]

Trials are looking good for a new corona test with a result in 20 minutes, larger scale trial going ahead

and antibody tests being rolled out next week to NHS, Care Home staff and residents

[MTVN]

Estimates are that 17% of London have had the virus and 5% in the rest of the country which is disappointingly low

[MTVN]

Wtf is Robbie Savage doing asking a question :joker:

[Zizu]

Is there a reason you are posting the same posts in back to school and corona threads? can you stick to posting in one or the other one please, it will get read, no need to post everything twice!



Can you try add something relevant to each thread instead of simply point scoring / nit-picking ...

Incidentally any ‘double’ posts are always applicable to both threads .. some people are only following/posting in one or other of the threads.


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[Cherie]

Can you try add something relevant to each thread instead of simply point scoring / nit-picking ...

Incidentally any ‘double’ posts are always applicable to both threads .. some people are only following/posting in one or other of the threads.


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Trust me people read both, if we all double posted it wont be much good would it?

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes Kier Starmer taking credit is it !

So you've watched the government scramble their way through the crisis lying and misleading, you've seen Boris hiding like it's election season all over again, and your biggest take away is that Starmer has taken credit for something? On the back of government ministers telling us every day what a great job they've done.

:joker:

[Zizu]

Trust me people read both, if we all double posted it wont be much good would it?


You can’t possibly know who’s reading what threads .. just more of your nonsense.


Anyways as I’ve already explained...
I’ve only done it when the post in question applied to both threads..


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[The Slim Reaper]

Think Cherie owes zizu another apology :smug:

[Cherie]

Think Cherie owes zizu another apology :smug:

Hell fire is still burning :amazed:

[Cherie]

You can’t possibly know who’s reading what threads .. just more of your nonsense.


Anyways as I’ve already explained...
I’ve only done it when the post in question applied to both threads..


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yes you bump the thread and then I find it's the same post I have just read elsewhere, very irritating :laugh:

[Cherie]

Wtf is Robbie Savage doing asking a question :joker:

He is a grass roots footie coach no less :nono:

[The Slim Reaper]

yes you bump the thread and then I find it's the same post I have just read elsewhere, very irritating :laugh:

A half-hearted apology if ever I've seen one :smug:

[arista]

[England : A new 20-minute test for coronavirus,
that does not need to be sent to a lab, is starting large-scale trials today]

This what we all need

[Kazanne]

Yes Kier Starmer taking credit is it !

I saw that lol ,when infact it was also conservative ministers that pushed for change.talk about taking all the glory,lol:wavey:

[Cherie]

A half-hearted apology if ever I've seen one :smug:

Do you want a smack in the gob :oh:

[Cherie]

Has anyone watched the clip on the BBC news from a wealthy New York suburb where people in high end cars are queuing 5 hours for a food bank?

[Kazanne]

Do you want a smack in the gob :oh:

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Cherie]

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

you can throw a punch as well Kaz?

[The Slim Reaper]

Estimates are that 17% of London have had the virus and 5% in the rest of the country which is disappointingly low

I know they're estimates, but not sure how virus transmission can ever be treated the same as a poll.

Both of those numbers could be way higher or lower, there's just no way to know using extrapolation instead of actual testing.

Hopefully the new tests will help us get to the bottom of it pretty quick.

[Zizu]

Has anyone watched the clip on the BBC news from a wealthy New York suburb where people in high end cars are queuing 5 hours for a food bank?



Yes ... it’s rather tedious though .. I lost interest about 3 hours in ..


:)


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[The Slim Reaper]

you can throw a punch as well Kaz?

Looks like both zizu and I will need to receive apologies from you and kaz. :smug:

[MTVN]

I know they're estimates, but not sure how virus transmission can ever be treated the same as a poll.

Both of those numbers could be way higher or lower, there's just no way to know using extrapolation instead of actual testing.

Hopefully the new tests will help us get to the bottom of it pretty quick.

I believe those figures are from an actual antibody test survey that they've carried out though, and they are in line with the tests that have been carried out in other countries

[Kazanne]

you can throw a punch as well Kaz?

Slim you can run but you cant hide.:laugh:

[Beso]

Looks like both zizu and I will need to receive apologies from you and kaz. :smug:

From the man that has stated he never apologises.

[arista]

1263516558581694464

[Denver]

My test came but it's a bit complicated and you have to read it as it can only be done after 9pm the night before which I dont know why?

[The Slim Reaper]

From the man that has stated he never apologises.

What are you on about now?

[Beso]

What are you on about now?

You and your refusal to apologise in the past.:shrug:

[Liam-]

1263516558581694464

:joker::joker::joker:

She’s an absolute specimen

[The Slim Reaper]

You and your refusal to apologise in the past.:shrug:

Are you OK parm?

[Beso]

Are you OK parm?

Fine.

Or would be if a person who has refused to apologise in the past stops continuously asking for an apology for someone.

[The Slim Reaper]

Fine.

Or would be if a person who has refused to apologise in the past stops continuously asking for an apology for someone.

Fcuking hell I remember now. Is this going back to that drag kid thread? :joker:

Jeez, i'm glad you don't carry a grudge round for ages!

I'm not being serious in asking for an apology y'know, and I think they know that, although ironically I've personally apologised to both Kaz and Cherie in the past, which sort of makes a mockery of the whole "never apologises" stuff.

Parm, I sincerely apologise to you for saying that I agreed with you in finding a 13 yr old boy in drag sexy, now can we move on?

[Zizu]

I know it’s frowned upon but this newsflash fits into two threads ..


Apparently a primary school in Essex has closed today after 2 students tested possitive for covid-19.


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[Cherie]

Fine.

Or would be if a person who has refused to apologise in the past stops continuously asking for an apology for someone.

He is not serious, at least he better not be :omgno:

[bots]

He is not serious, at least he better not be :omgno:

i think you should apologise to parm :smug:

[Cherie]

i think you should apologise to parm :smug:

:joker:

[Zizu]

Fewer than half of 19 to 30-year-olds are 'strictly' abiding by Britain's lockdown rules, according to a major study.

The poll of 90,000 Britons found people are still sticking to the bulk of the rules but are starting to ignore things like keeping two metres apart.

Among all adults, complete compliance has fallen from 70 per cent to under 60 per cent in the last fortnight.

While among young adults it has dropped from a high of 60 per cent in mid-April to around 45 per cent by May 17.

University College London scientists, behind the survey, also said there had been a drop off in confidence in the Government since it switched its stance from 'stay at home' to the more ambiguous 'stay alert' on May 10.

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D78C/production/_112408155_daily-mirror-22-may.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/FE9C/production/_112408156_guardian-22-may.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/125AC/production/_112408157_i-22-may.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14CBC/production/_112408158_daily-telegraph-22-may.jpg

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/Pqgn7Ub0UGBji72Giq6e4A/https/media.fyre.co/qhiX1wEQDastUWCapuBo_Times%202205.PNG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/hsNkz_Jm9YzaCSPbslST9A/https/media.fyre.co/EgmAHl70Q1yOOZIe45zS_Independent%202205.PNG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/W0TOqBNgnpH3M-N9e9xTLw/https/media.fyre.co/v4vngZOlTBuQfqcqw11A_Metro%202205.PNG

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/B07C/production/_112408154_daily-mail-22-may.jpg

[arista]

If it is safe to go back to school?
was on tonight's BBC1 HD Question Time.

To many keep using one example of a kid that previously
had Covid-19 and did not spread it.

But no one mentions the other kids that have spread it.


Stop giving one example - it is not enough.............

[arista]

1263597392340762628

This newspaper lady
has 3 kids, one is going back to school on the 1st of June

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYktQlHUwAAx8EY?format=jpg&name=small


Yes Labour Mayor
easy for you to say that


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYkrRjoUEAEZZRL?format=jpg&name=small
Sure, valid point

[caprimint]

Did y'all see this?

https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/london-coronavirus-taxi-driver-died-18291825

:sad:

[arista]

Did y'all see this?

https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/london-coronavirus-taxi-driver-died-18291825

:sad:

Yes Evil Scum.

[arista]

A Great Political Cartoon for Slim.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYjwkhHX0AAIvwn?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/05/dutch-meat-processing-plant-closed-as-45-workers-test-positive-for-covid-19/

another dutch meat processing plant closed after 45 workers test positive for covid-19


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/05/summer-sun-draws-the-crowds-but-it-was-too-busy-in-places-officials-say/

summer heat draws in crowds outside to beaches here, but it was too busy in places officials say

[bots]

Did y'all see this?

https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/london-coronavirus-taxi-driver-died-18291825

:sad:

but in this case and the ones similarly reported, there isnt a direct link to the spitting incident and the person getting covid. A lot of this is media stirring it up

[arista]

but in this case and the ones similarly reported, there isnt a direct link to the spitting incident and the person getting covid. A lot of this is media stirring it up


Sure he could have caught Covid 19
from another person.

[arista]

A Mum holding her baby with
with 2 other kids
said if the MP's all are sitting next to each other
in Parliament, then her lads can go to school.

BBCnewsHD

[Samm]

Seems promising?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-52754280

[Zizu]

Seems promising?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-52754280



Yes I’d agree !


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[arista]

USA :94,729
UK :36,124
Italy:32,486
France :28,218
Spain:27,940
Brazil :20,047


The top 6 as Brazil Jumps above 20,000
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52765196


Of Course China should be among those High numbers
but they are Criminally Corrupt with their Death numbers

[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYktQlHUwAAx8EY?format=jpg&name=small


Yes Labour Mayor
easy for you to say that


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYkrRjoUEAEZZRL?format=jpg&name=small
Sure, valid point



Point one
Seems unfair to put everything on the shoulders of headmasters... although it would muddy the waters when staff and parents start legal action when they get ill from attending unsafe schools ..

Point 2
Nobody really knows enough to comment on who or where would most at risk ..






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[Zizu]

Despite the phased reopenings, scientists in Germany have said children with the coronavirus may be as infectious as adults, and urged caution.
Researchers who analysed data on infected people found that the viral loads in children differed little from those in adults. Opening schools on the assumption that children are less likely to spread the virus was therefore ill-advised, said Christian Drosten, a virologist and Germany’s leading coronavirus expert, who led the team.
Drosten’s study, which was released this week, examined the viral loads in the throats of 3,721 people, including more than 100 children, who tested positive for coronavirus in Berlin between January and April.
He said he had been able to carry out his analysis once the number of tests carried out by Labor Berlin, the largest laboratory of its kind in Europe, had reached the critical mass of 60,000 earlier this week. That gave him and his team enough data to be able to carry out an analysis of children who have had the virus.


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[Zizu]

Oh my lord ..


Tens of thousands of coronavirus tests have been double-counted, officials admit
Two samples taken from the same patient are being recorded as two separate tests in the Government's official figures


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[bots]

Oh my lord ..


Tens of thousands of coronavirus tests have been double-counted, officials admit
Two samples taken from the same patient are being recorded as two separate tests in the Government's official figures


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this has been explained before, if a test is unclear or contaminated the person is retested. If a person is tested 10 times over a month of checks, it's 10 tests of course

You seem to want to find issues even when none exist, which is certainly not the way i would choose to stay mentally healthy

[Zizu]

this has been explained before, if a test is unclear or contaminated the person is retested. If a person is tested 10 times over a month of checks, it's 10 tests of course

..



Seemingly not hense the section saying “diagnostic tests which involve taking saliva and nasal samples from the same patient are being counted as two tests, not one”

So the suggestion is that apparently some people are having swabs taken from their mouths and also throats but they are counted as TWO tests in the data

That’s a worry ...


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[Zizu]

You seem to want to find issues even when none exist, which is certainly not the way i would choose to stay mentally healthy


Well that’s unfair .. I’ve said many times that I have no political affiliations and have no time for politics nor politicians.

I had been rather impressed with the government’s performance for the first couple of months but this last few weeks it seems as though the wheels are coming off ... and that’s a worry as we enter this all important phase ..



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[Nicky91]

majority of people in Netherlands do no longer stick to the 1.5 metres distance measures now

[arista]

[Wetherspoons boss Tim Martin reveals plans to Reopen 875 pubs with
screens at bars and tables, a one-way system and
food and drink orders by app]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/22/11/28696348-8347131-Wetherspoons_staff_will_also_be_given_protective_e quipment_like_-a-4_1590144802775.jpg
[Staff will also be given protective equipment
like this worker at The Althorp in Wandsworth Common
this week - but they will not have to wear
them unless the Government insists on it]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347131/The-future-Wetherspoons-Boss-Tim-Martin-reveals-plans-REOPEN-875-pubs.html

[Cherie]

[Wetherspoons boss Tim Martin reveals plans to Reopen 875 pubs with
screens at bars and tables, a one-way system and
food and drink orders by app]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/22/11/28696348-8347131-Wetherspoons_staff_will_also_be_given_protective_e quipment_like_-a-4_1590144802775.jpg
[Staff will also be given protective equipment
like this worker at The Althorp in Wandsworth Common
this week - but they will not have to wear
them unless the Government insists on it]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347131/The-future-Wetherspoons-Boss-Tim-Martin-reveals-plans-REOPEN-875-pubs.html

not opening in June as he predicted :smug:

[Nicky91]

NL

9 new hospitalisations

13 new dead

a new low since the outbreak of corona in the country

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/05/dutch-excess-mortality-rate-disappears-as-covid-19-impact-declines/

here a more detailed article on today's covid-19 update from netherlands

[The Slim Reaper]

this has been explained before, if a test is unclear or contaminated the person is retested. If a person is tested 10 times over a month of checks, it's 10 tests of course

You seem to want to find issues even when none exist, which is certainly not the way i would choose to stay mentally healthy

That's not true though. They originally said it was about people being tested, and now taking a saliva and a nasal test from the same person during the same test is classed as 2 tests. I know you don't like any of the parties but will continually attack one and continually make excuses for the other, but c'mon bots, even you must be able to see the slight of hand taking place here?

[Liam-]

Counting the separate parts of the same test, as two separate tests is intellectually dishonest and they’ll carry on doing it for as long as people let them

[Kizzy]

Oh my lord ..


Tens of thousands of coronavirus tests have been double-counted, officials admit
Two samples taken from the same patient are being recorded as two separate tests in the Government's official figures


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Thas been well known for a long time that retests are in with the daily figures, I agree it's not right and doesn't give an accurate picture of those initially identified and tested daily.

[bots]

That's not true though. They originally said it was about people being tested, and now taking a saliva and a nasal test from the same person during the same test is classed as 2 tests. I know you don't like any of the parties but will continually attack one and continually make excuses for the other, but c'mon bots, even you must be able to see the slight of hand taking place here?

it's you that has persistently and even now making it political. Have you ever worked in a lab? Do you know the protocols involved? If you did you would understand that your post is nothing more than nonsense

[Kizzy]

Seemingly not hense the section saying “diagnostic tests which involve taking saliva and nasal samples from the same patient are being counted as two tests, not one”

So the suggestion is that apparently some people are having swabs taken from their mouths and also throats but they are counted as TWO tests in the data

That’s a worry ...


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No that's not true the mouth is the throat swab and then you put the same swab in the nose, that would not be classed as two tests.

[Zizu]

Thas been well known for a long time that retests are in with the daily figures, I agree it's not right and doesn't give an accurate picture of those initially identified and tested daily.



We’re not talking about retests from what I can see


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[Zizu]

No that's not true the mouth is the throat swab and then you put the same swab in the nose, that would not be classed as two tests.



but they’re not doing that from what I can see ... two different swabs .. one saliva, one nasal , one patient counting as two TESTS ..




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[Cherie]

but they’re not doing that from what I can see ... two different swabs .. one saliva, one nasal , one patient counting as two TESTS ..




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can you provide a link maybe?

[The Slim Reaper]

it's you that has persistently and even now making it political. Have you ever worked in a lab? Do you know the protocols involved? If you did you would understand that your post is nothing more than nonsense

I haven't bots, so please explain to a non-lab worker like myself, why my post is nonsense, rather than making that claim then running off.

Bearing in mind, it says absolutely nothing about the work back in the lab, and is only talking about the frontline issues, but carry on...

When you're even more defensive about the tories misleading on this, than the chief tory defender of record, then that's really impressive.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/tens-thousands-coronavirus-tests-have-double-counted-officials/

It is not the first time the Government has been caught massaging the testing data.

This inflates the daily reported diagnostic test numbers by over 20 per cent, with that proportion being much higher earlier on in the crisis before home test kits were added to the daily totals.

Global health experts said the Government should stop fixating on its arbitrary targets and instead focus on making testing work to drive down Covid-19 infections in the UK.

[arista]

Around 5PM
it's the Home Secretary
Live at the Daily Briefing
10 Downing St.

[arista]

Slim
go back a page
Political Cartoon for you

[Zizu]

can you provide a link maybe?



Nope


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[Denver]

Treatment drugs could be available from next month

[arista]

Live now

[The Slim Reaper]

Slim
go back a page
Political Cartoon for you

Thanks for posting :hehe:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/22/12/28701430-8347157-image-a-47_1590146654356.jpg
[James Bunting visited Stoney Bank Quarry
near Darwen, Lancashire, on Thursday morning
for a walk but was so horrified by
the state of the usually beautiful location
that he was compelled to photograph it]

[Cherie]

Nope


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Okay, just you own possible erroneous interpretation of something you have read then

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/22/12/28701430-8347157-image-a-47_1590146654356.jpg
[James Bunting visited Stoney Bank Quarry
near Darwen, Lancashire, on Thursday morning
for a walk but was so horrified by
the state of the usually beautiful location
that he was compelled to photograph it]


Scum

[Scarlett.]

Well, I've been made redundant and Shearings has collapsed

[Zizu]

Okay, just you own possible erroneous interpretation of something you have read then



Yawn


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[The Slim Reaper]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/22/12/28701430-8347157-image-a-47_1590146654356.jpg
[James Bunting visited Stoney Bank Quarry
near Darwen, Lancashire, on Thursday morning
for a walk but was so horrified by
the state of the usually beautiful location
that he was compelled to photograph it]

That's terrible. Why would anyone leave a beautiful black labrador there?

[The Slim Reaper]

Well, I've been made redundant and Shearings has collapsed

Sorry to hear that, keep your chin up.

[user104658]

Well, I've been made redundant and Shearings has collapsedSorry to hear that Scarlett - I think we're going to start seeing a bit of a snowball in terms of businesses going into admin from this month and next. I feel like I've massively dodged a bullet by getting out of retail/"big company" employment last summer, I genuinely do feel for furloughed staff just having to sit at home waiting and hoping. The idea that it's a big ol' paid holiday for people is really quite offensive. I'm VERY glad to be working and I can only imagine most furloughed staff would take job security over "paid leave" any day.

[Scarlett.]

Sorry to gear that, keep your chin up.
Thank you, I'll try :)

Sorry to hear that Scarlett - I think we're going to start seeing a bit of a snowball in terms of businesses going into admin from this month and next. I feel like I've massively dodged a bullet by getting out of retail/"big company" employment last summer, I genuinely do feel for furloughed staff just having to sit at home waiting and hoping. The idea that it's a big ol' paid holiday for people is really quite offensive. I'm VERY glad to be working and I can only imagine most furloughed staff would take job security over "paid leave" any day.

Yep, we were doing pretty good as a company before this, but it's come along and collapsed us. Time to start looking for another job, if there is any

[Cherie]

Sorry to hear that Scarlett - I think we're going to start seeing a bit of a snowball in terms of businesses going into admin from this month and next. I feel like I've massively dodged a bullet by getting out of retail/"big company" employment last summer, I genuinely do feel for furloughed staff just having to sit at home waiting and hoping. The idea that it's a big ol' paid holiday for people is really quite offensive. I'm VERY glad to be working and I can only imagine most furloughed staff would take job security over "paid leave" any day.

Seconded, sorry to hear that Scarlett

[Cherie]

Yawn


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Do you need to lie down?

[arista]

That's terrible. Why would anyone leave a beautiful black labrador there?


That could belong to the Photo taker

[Kazanne]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/22/12/28701430-8347157-image-a-47_1590146654356.jpg
[James Bunting visited Stoney Bank Quarry
near Darwen, Lancashire, on Thursday morning
for a walk but was so horrified by
the state of the usually beautiful location
that he was compelled to photograph it]

Some people are so disgusting and some kind of deserve everything we get.

[Liam-]

That's terrible. Why would anyone leave a beautiful black labrador there?

EDL are really going too far these days

[Cherie]

Why do they waste a question asking about summer holidays abroad...:shrug:

[bots]

Thank you, I'll try :)



Yep, we were doing pretty good as a company before this, but it's come along and collapsed us. Time to start looking for another job, if there is any

Sorry to hear that, try and stay positive, things will start to open up again pretty soon, and even though the country is in a mess, there will be new opportunities that will also open up, there always are at times like this

[Niamh.]

but they’re not doing that from what I can see ... two different swabs .. one saliva, one nasal , one patient counting as two TESTS ..




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProAny examples I've seen on TV of them testing people have been the same swab used in the throat and then nose

[arista]

Why do they waste a question asking about summer holidays abroad...:shrug:

Because of the 14 days
you must stay at your home
on your return.

But many will ignore it
even if there is a fine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52765054

[hijaxers]

Well, I've been made redundant and Shearings has collapsed

Oh Scarlett i am so sorry to hear this awful news , but it is all i've been reading ~ people losing their jobs . I feel for you all.

[Cherie]

Because of the 14 days
you must stay at your home
on your return.

But many will ignore it
even if there is a fine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52765054

The question was ...do you think we can go abroad this summer.....is it the end of the world if we can’t ...it’s not exactly priority currently

[Kizzy]

Well, I've been made redundant and Shearings has collapsed

So sorry to hear that Scarlett, really hope you get another job asap x

[Zizu]

Well, I've been made redundant and Shearings has collapsed



That’s terrible ... keep us posted !!


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[arista]

Trump was on live on SkyNewsHD
orders every Church to open
Must open right now


He said he will over ride
any Governor - that stops him

[Zizu]

Do you need to lie down?



Are you flirting ?

:)


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[Kizzy]

What are the thoughts on the June 8th quarantine measures for inbound flights?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/22/uk-arrivals-8-june-quarantine-for-14-days-coronavirus

[arista]

The question was ...do you think we can go abroad this summer.....is it the end of the world if we can’t ...it’s not exactly priority currently


Of Course
but Greece needs their Hotels to fill up
or they go under.

[MTVN]

Well, I've been made redundant and Shearings has collapsed

Sorry to hear that, this thing is gonna have a horrendous impact on so many companies and people's jobs but like bots said there will hopefully be better times on the other side

[arista]

What are the thoughts on the June 8th quarantine measures for inbound flights?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/22/uk-arrivals-8-june-quarantine-for-14-days-coronavirus


Many will ignore it
despite the threat of a big fine

Ryanair will fly in July
cheaper flights.
Everyone must have a Mask on.
The CEO will make sure every plane
gets a deep clean, after each day.

The Ch4HD News presenter
put it to the CEO
the best flight is the First one, then.

[Kizzy]

Many will ignore it
despite the threat of a big fine

Well that's up to them, cue the uproar about fruit rotting on trees unless that has been addressed.

[Kizzy]

The question was ...do you think we can go abroad this summer.....is it the end of the world if we can’t ...it’s not exactly priority currently

You can go but your 2 week hol will have to be a month off work to quarantine after :/

[Cherie]

Of Course
but Greece needs their Hotels to fill up
or they go under.

Greece have said they will only accept from certain countries and UK is not currently on the list

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-greece-travel-warning-advice-uk-flights-infection-rate-tourism-a9525836.html

[Cherie]

You can go but your 2 week hol will have to be a month off work to quarantine after :/

Currently you can’t travel as there is a travel ban on unnecessary flights

Stay here boost the UK economy so more jobs aren’t lost would be a better idea maybe

[Cherie]

Well that's up to them, cue the uproar about fruit rotting on trees unless that has been addressed.

There will be exemptions

[hijaxers]

Trump was on live on SkyNewsHD
orders every Church to open
Must open right now


He said he will over ride
and Governor - that stops him

Well he does think he's God :joker::joker::joker:

[arista]

Well he does think he's God :joker::joker::joker:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52765196


He knows there his Voters

[arista]

Greece have said they will only accept from certain countries and UK is not currently on the list

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-greece-travel-warning-advice-uk-flights-infection-rate-tourism-a9525836.html

Yes by July
that could change, of course

[Kizzy]

There will be exemptions

Are fruit pickers exempt?

[arista]

A Science Expert
was on both news channels
he made good sense on why Schools should not open
on the 1st of June.

It is simple you need Test, Track and Trace
fully working first.

Then any kid or adult could get a fast result test...................

Also, the Government had to borrow £63 Billion

[arista]

[Mob of teenagers kick police officer and
drag him across the floor
after he challenged them for
flouting lockdown rules in park

Surrey Police say a lone officer was called to
West Byfleet Park in Woking, Surrey,
yesterday at 7.40pm.
The officer was attacked while engaging
with the men, and was taken to hospital
with minor injuries to the wrist and head.]


Video
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347779/Moment-mob-teenagers-kick-police-officer-challenged-flouting-lockdown-rules.html

Copper on his own
big error.

[Zizu]

[Mob of teenagers kick police officer and
drag him across the floor
after he challenged them for
flouting lockdown rules in park

Surrey Police say a lone officer was called to
West Byfleet Park in Woking, Surrey,
yesterday at 7.40pm.
The officer was attacked while engaging
with the men, and was taken to hospital
with minor injuries to the wrist and head.]


Video
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347779/Moment-mob-teenagers-kick-police-officer-challenged-flouting-lockdown-rules.html

Copper on his own
big error.



I presumed they worked in pairs ( minimum) these days where there’s very little respect for them from youths on general

Hopefully witnesses come forward as the perpetrators will be bragging to all and sundry....

Hope his vid-cam was working ..


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[user104658]

I presumed they worked in pairs ( minimum) these days where there’s very little respect for them from youths on general

Hopefully witnesses come forward as the perpetrators will be bragging to all and sundry....

Hope his vid-cam was working ..


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I'm positive that they usually do :think:. In nearly a decade working in a bookies (so, sadly, probably hundreds of interactions with police) I literally never saw an officer out solo. Always at least in a pair. And when called out to a disruptive group in the street, usually 4 - 6.

[Kizzy]

Fruit pickers are exempt...

So they come here and if they break the quarantine what happens they go home or work for nothing?

Do farms have that much space to accomodate all workers? If they're housed together and one has it won't that create 'bubbles' of coronavirus across England?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-announces-new-public-health-measures-for-all-uk-arrivals

[Zizu]

First big cluster in Germany since opening of restaurants two weeks ago. 7 people have been infected whilst at a restaurant last week in Northern Germany. They were not all in the same party but in fact sat at separate tables with the 1.5m distancing in place.

50 people who were in contact with one or more of the 7 are currently being traced.

Source: n-tv


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[thesheriff443]

Fruit pickers are exempt...

So they come here and if they break the quarantine what happens they go home or work for nothing?

Do farms have that much space to accomodate all workers? If they're housed together and one has it won't that create 'bubbles' of coronavirus across England?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-announces-new-public-health-measures-for-all-uk-arrivals

Fruit puckers live in Mobil homes on farms big fruit farms have many caravans to house its foreign workers.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/6D76/production/_112422082_mail.jpg

[Greg!]

Cummings will be gone by tomorrow evening I predict. If not this government is an even bigger disgrace and ****show than I thought

[Zizu]

Cummings will be gone by tomorrow evening I predict. If not this government is an even bigger disgrace and ****show than I thought



He’s indispensable ....

Unless he resigns but is kept on a silent advisor .... it’s not as though he has to be in at the forefront of everything


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[arista]

He’s indispensable ....

Unless he resigns but is kept on a silent advisor .... it’s not as though he has to be in at the forefront of everything


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Yes an Advisor
not a MP.

Johnson PM who has total control
is missing in action
it's not like he will pop out and go live on TV news


From NewsnightHD BBC2
Cummings has said he will not resign

[Kizzy]

Fruit puckers live in Mobil homes on farms big fruit farms have many caravans to house its foreign workers.

How many to a caravan?

[thesheriff443]

How many to a caravan?

I don’t know exactly there a farm just down from my parents that started fruit farming a good few years ago.

Pickers mostly come over with their girlfriends and when they are not working walk to the village in groups of four in general some times more.

They are young they work all season then go home I did see a group of maybe 7 men and women on a walk the other day they were sitting alll together.

[thesheriff443]

Many years ago English gypsy would travel to farms for fruit and vegetables harvesting then in the seventies and eighties large numbers of Spanish men and women would do it and then it would be done by Indians who would be bought by mini buses to the farms to work.

[Zizu]

Yes an Advisor
not a MP.

Johnson PM who has total control
is missing in action
it's not like he will pop out and go live on TV news


From NewsnightHD BBC2
Cummings has said he will not resign



I didn’t think Cummings is/was an mp .. he’s supposed to have a brilliant mind for things .. that’s why he could resign and give the Labour Party the ‘sense of the kill’ but just carry on advising behind the scenes .. ( as Jose famously did ‘that’ time )


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/05/police-and-wardens-issued-18200-fines-by-may-10-but-half-had-errors/


About half the 18,200 fines issued to people for breaking coronavirus rules up to May 10 were not complete and have been sent back to police and local council officials for improvement, the public prosecution department said on Friday.

The fines have been deemed incomplete because they either don’t include a proper description of why they were issued, they miss relevant documents or personal details don’t add up, the department said.

By May 10, 18,200 fines had been issued by wardens and police officers – earlier estimates of 10,000 fines did not include those handed out by local authority wardens.
.

[Beso]

Many years ago English gypsy would travel to farms for fruit and vegetables harvesting then in the seventies and eighties large numbers of Spanish men and women would do it and then it would be done by Indians who would be bought by mini buses to the farms to work.

I've done it myself when I was a teenager.

It's very hard work.

[thesheriff443]

I've done it myself when I was a teenager.

It's very hard work.

Yes I’ve worked on a farm many years ago.

[Beso]

Yes I’ve worked on a farm many years ago.

Brussel sprouts were the worst.

[Nicky91]

1263844633378947074

:facepalm: :umm2:

[thesheriff443]

Brussel sprouts were the worst.

Me my brother and my dad once planted a whole field of marrows by hand with dibbers, field was about the size of 40 football pitches.

[Beso]

Me my brother and my dad once planted a whole field of marrows by hand with dibbers, field was about the size of 40 football pitches.

I feel bad for quiting 4 hours into the sprouts now..:bawling:

[thesheriff443]

I feel bad for quiting 4 hours into the sprouts now..:bawling:

Man you have let the side down.

Lots of good memories from working on farms.

[The Slim Reaper]

Parm and sheriffs saturday morning agricultural hour.

[Kizzy]

:joker:

[thesheriff443]

Parm and sheriffs sunday morning agricultural hour.

Well it beats your obsession with the government.

Don’t worry we will leave you to it now.

[Kizzy]

Many years ago English gypsy would travel to farms for fruit and vegetables harvesting then in the seventies and eighties large numbers of Spanish men and women would do it and then it would be done by Indians who would be bought by mini buses to the farms to work.

So it's always been rather an exploitative business?

[thesheriff443]

So it's always been rather an exploitative business?

No, I’d say it was a honest days pay for an honest days work.

Two young polish men did die about five years back after getting pulled into a machine on the farm down the road from my parents.

[The Slim Reaper]

Well it beats your obsession with the government.

Don’t worry we will leave you to it now.

Ooooooh, biting commentary. :smug:

I wasn't criticising either of you for it, but you would have noticed if you weren't in such a hurry to find offense at something I said.

[Marsh.]

No, I’d say it was a honest days pay for an honest days work.

I wouldn't quite call it honest pay.

[thesheriff443]

I wouldn't quite call it honest pay.

Hows that,

[thesheriff443]

Ooooooh, biting commentary. :smug:

I wasn't criticising either of you for it, but you would have noticed if you weren't in such a hurry to find offense at something I said.

Sure jan.

[Nicky91]

this thread should neither be about the government (or at least not criticizing the government anyway)

i dislike my own government here too, but i leave all of that aside amid this coronacrisis

[Marsh.]

Hows that,

You think they were paid fairly?

[Beso]

You think they were paid fairly?

I was back in the day..

Especially when you were paid for how much picked.